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| Cliff... |
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http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2009-11-02-kilimanjaro_N.htm
"Kilimanjaro's famous icy peaks are thawing fast"
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Climate change could cause the legendary snow and ice atop Mount Kilimanjaro to
disappear within the next 25 years, scientists report today in the journal
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
For the first time in almost 12,000 years, based on ice-core analysis, Africa's
highest peak probably will be ice-free as early as 2022 or as late as 2033, says
glaciologist Lonnie Thompson of Ohio State University, who led the study.
"Of the ice cover present in 1912," Thompson and his colleagues write in the
paper, "85% has disappeared and 26% of that present in 2000 is now gone."
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| Catoni... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:09 pm |
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Cliff typed:
Opinionated article from the popular press.
Reply:
This AGW claim of Kilimanjaro losing its icecap due
to AGW has already been de-bunked many times. Nothing to do with
global warming. It began to retreat back in the 1800's as we came out
of the Little Ice Age about 1850. Helped by altered local rainfall
patters due to deforestation in the area by the natives.
In the last few hundreds of thousands of years, Kilimanjaro has
probably lost and gained an icecap many, many times. |
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| I M at (no spam) good guy... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:24 pm |
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On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:09:14 -0500, Cliff
<Clhuprichguesswhat at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
[quote]
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2009-11-02-kilimanjaro_N.htm
"Kilimanjaro's famous icy peaks are thawing fast"
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Climate change could cause the legendary snow and ice atop Mount Kilimanjaro to
disappear within the next 25 years, scientists report today in the journal
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
For the first time in almost 12,000 years, based on ice-core analysis, Africa's
highest peak probably will be ice-free as early as 2022 or as late as 2033, says
glaciologist Lonnie Thompson of Ohio State University, who led the study.
"Of the ice cover present in 1912," Thompson and his colleagues write in the
paper, "85% has disappeared and 26% of that present in 2000 is now gone."
]
[/quote]
Much more interesting is how the ice spires formed;
(see slide 2 and 3)
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Mount-Kilimanjaro/ss/events/sc/110209mtkilimanjaro#photoViewer=/091102/photos_wl_africa_afp/9ca934caa7a5a0daa31ec23908bcebba |
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| Cliff... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:47 pm |
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On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:24:03 -0400, "I M at (no spam) good guy" <I_m at (no spam) good.guy> wrote:
[quote]On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:09:14 -0500, Cliff
Clhuprichguesswhat at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2009-11-02-kilimanjaro_N.htm
"Kilimanjaro's famous icy peaks are thawing fast"
[
Climate change could cause the legendary snow and ice atop Mount Kilimanjaro to
disappear within the next 25 years, scientists report today in the journal
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
For the first time in almost 12,000 years, based on ice-core analysis, Africa's
highest peak probably will be ice-free as early as 2022 or as late as 2033, says
glaciologist Lonnie Thompson of Ohio State University, who led the study.
"Of the ice cover present in 1912," Thompson and his colleagues write in the
paper, "85% has disappeared and 26% of that present in 2000 is now gone."
]
Much more interesting is how the ice spires formed;
(see slide 2 and 3)
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Mount-Kilimanjaro/ss/events/sc/110209mtkilimanjaro#photoViewer=/091102/photos_wl_africa_afp/9ca934caa7a5a0daa31ec23908bcebba
[/quote]
One could speculate but ... ?
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| Zymrgy... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:11 pm |
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On Nov 2, 3:09 pm, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw... at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
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[quote]http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2009-11-02-kili...
"Kilimanjaro's famous icy peaks are thawing fast"
[
Climate change could cause the legendary snow and ice atop Mount Kilimanjaro to
disappear within the next 25 years, scientists report today in the journal
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
For the first time in almost 12,000 years, based on ice-core analysis, Africa's
highest peak probably will be ice-free as early as 2022 or as late as 2033, says
glaciologist Lonnie Thompson of Ohio State University, who led the study.
"Of the ice cover present in 1912," Thompson and his colleagues write in the
paper, "85% has disappeared and 26% of that present in 2000 is now gone."
]
[/quote]
Thompson...what a tool. Kilimanjaro suffers from land use changes
(deforestation) which in turn effects the amount of moisture around
the mountain....also there is Atlantic Multidecadal changes.
Deforestation also adds to the dust in the atmosphere, which lands on
whatever snow Kilimanjaro does get, which speeds up the melting
process. This shit is OLD news. Thompson also states that "coupled
with even greater increases in the mid- to upper-tropical troposphere,
as documented in recent decades, would at least partially
explain”....This is complete bullshit. Go check the data from NOAA and
other sources. Satellites and weather balloons show no warming in mid
to high levels in the tropics. Only in the tinkertoy climate models
does that happen.
And whats the big fucking deal if it DOES lose its glaciers. It didn't
have any 12,000 years ago...a blink of an eye climatology/geologically
speaking. It will disappear someday...and most likely reappear again.
wait a few million years. |
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| JohnM... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:43 am |
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On Nov 4, 8:27 am, T. Keating <tkuse... at (no spam) ktcnslt.com> wrote:
[quote]On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:11:49 -0800 (PST), Zymrgy <zym... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
On Nov 2, 3:09 pm, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw... at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om
wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2009-11-02-kili....
"Kilimanjaro's famous icy peaks are thawing fast"
[
Climate change could cause the legendary snow and ice atop Mount Kilimanjaro to
disappear within the next 25 years, scientists report today in the journal
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
For the first time in almost 12,000 years, based on ice-core analysis, Africa's
highest peak probably will be ice-free as early as 2022 or as late as 2033, says
glaciologist Lonnie Thompson of Ohio State University, who led the study.
"Of the ice cover present in 1912," Thompson and his colleagues write in the
paper, "85% has disappeared and 26% of that present in 2000 is now gone."
]
Thompson...what a tool. Kilimanjaro suffers from land use changes
(deforestation) which in turn effects the amount of moisture around
the mountain....also there is Atlantic Multidecadal changes.
Deforestation also adds to the dust in the atmosphere, which lands on
whatever snow Kilimanjaro does get, which speeds up the melting
process. This shit is OLD news. Thompson also states that "coupled
with even greater increases in the mid- to upper-tropical troposphere,
as documented in recent decades, would at least partially
explain”....This is complete bullshit. Go check the data from NOAA and
other sources. Satellites and weather balloons show no warming in mid
to high levels in the tropics. Only in the tinkertoy climate models
does that happen.
And whats the big fucking deal if it DOES lose its glaciers. It didn't
have any 12,000 years ago...a blink of an eye climatology/geologically
speaking. It will disappear someday...and most likely reappear again.
wait a few million years.
A lot of animals and people will be displaced when the melt water
shrinks to a tiny trickle.
Now for a completely different continent.http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUNTRIES/LACEXT/ECUADOREXTN...
"Large cities in the region are depending on glacial runoffs for their
water supply."
"Retracting Glacier Impacts Economic Outlook in the Tropical Andes"
[/quote]
Plenty of water in Vietnam just now  ( |
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On Nov 2, 5:09Â pm, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw... at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om>
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[quote]http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2009-11-02-kili...
 "Kilimanjaro's famous icy peaks are thawing fast"
Climate change could cause the legendary snow and ice atop Mount Kilimanjaro to
disappear within the next 25 years, scientists report today in the journal
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
[/quote]
•• ROTFLMAO— Once again they say "could"
not "will". There is also the chance that it would
rebuild. A lot can change in 24 years
[quote]For the first time in almost 12,000 years, based on ice-core analysis, Africa's
highest peak probably will be ice-free as early as 2022 or as late as 2033, says
glaciologist Lonnie Thompson of Ohio State University, who led the study.
"Of the ice cover present in 1912," Thompson and his colleagues write in the
paper, "85% has disappeared and 26% of that present in 2000 is now gone."
[/quote]
•• Was that peer reviewed?
––  ––
 
 In real science the burden of proof is always

 on the proposer, never on the sceptics. So far
 
 neither IPCC nor anyone else has provided one
 
 iota of valid data for global warming nor have

 they provided data that climate change is being
 
 effected by commerce and industry, and not by
 natural phenomena. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:27 am |
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On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:11:49 -0800 (PST), Zymrgy <zymrgy at (no spam) gmail.com>
wrote:
[quote]On Nov 2, 3:09 pm, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw... at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om
wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2009-11-02-kili...
"Kilimanjaro's famous icy peaks are thawing fast"
[
Climate change could cause the legendary snow and ice atop Mount Kilimanjaro to
disappear within the next 25 years, scientists report today in the journal
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
For the first time in almost 12,000 years, based on ice-core analysis, Africa's
highest peak probably will be ice-free as early as 2022 or as late as 2033, says
glaciologist Lonnie Thompson of Ohio State University, who led the study.
"Of the ice cover present in 1912," Thompson and his colleagues write in the
paper, "85% has disappeared and 26% of that present in 2000 is now gone."
]
Thompson...what a tool. Kilimanjaro suffers from land use changes
(deforestation) which in turn effects the amount of moisture around
the mountain....also there is Atlantic Multidecadal changes.
Deforestation also adds to the dust in the atmosphere, which lands on
whatever snow Kilimanjaro does get, which speeds up the melting
process. This shit is OLD news. Thompson also states that "coupled
with even greater increases in the mid- to upper-tropical troposphere,
as documented in recent decades, would at least partially
explain”....This is complete bullshit. Go check the data from NOAA and
other sources. Satellites and weather balloons show no warming in mid
to high levels in the tropics. Only in the tinkertoy climate models
does that happen.
And whats the big fucking deal if it DOES lose its glaciers. It didn't
have any 12,000 years ago...a blink of an eye climatology/geologically
speaking. It will disappear someday...and most likely reappear again.
wait a few million years.
[/quote]
A lot of animals and people will be displaced when the melt water
shrinks to a tiny trickle.
Now for a completely different continent.
http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUNTRIES/LACEXT/ECUADOREXTN/0,,contentMDK:
"Large cities in the region are depending on glacial runoffs for their
water supply."
"Retracting Glacier Impacts Economic Outlook in the Tropical Andes" |
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| I M at (no spam) good guy... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 12:28 pm |
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On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 09:27:15 -0500, T. Keating <tkusenet at (no spam) ktcnslt.com>
wrote:
[quote]On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:11:49 -0800 (PST), Zymrgy <zymrgy at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
On Nov 2, 3:09Â pm, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw... at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om
wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2009-11-02-kili...
 "Kilimanjaro's famous icy peaks are thawing fast"
[
Climate change could cause the legendary snow and ice atop Mount Kilimanjaro to
disappear within the next 25 years, scientists report today in the journal
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
For the first time in almost 12,000 years, based on ice-core analysis, Africa's
highest peak probably will be ice-free as early as 2022 or as late as 2033, says
glaciologist Lonnie Thompson of Ohio State University, who led the study.
"Of the ice cover present in 1912," Thompson and his colleagues write in the
paper, "85% has disappeared and 26% of that present in 2000 is now gone."
]
Thompson...what a tool. Kilimanjaro suffers from land use changes
(deforestation) which in turn effects the amount of moisture around
the mountain....also there is Atlantic Multidecadal changes.
Deforestation also adds to the dust in the atmosphere, which lands on
whatever snow Kilimanjaro does get, which speeds up the melting
process. This shit is OLD news. Thompson also states that "coupled
with even greater increases in the mid- to upper-tropical troposphere,
as documented in recent decades, would at least partially
explain”....This is complete bullshit. Go check the data from NOAA and
other sources. Satellites and weather balloons show no warming in mid
to high levels in the tropics. Only in the tinkertoy climate models
does that happen.
And whats the big fucking deal if it DOES lose its glaciers. It didn't
have any 12,000 years ago...a blink of an eye climatology/geologically
speaking. It will disappear someday...and most likely reappear again.
wait a few million years.
A lot of animals and people will be displaced when the melt water
shrinks to a tiny trickle.
[/quote]
So glaciers supply melt water for 12,000 years,
magically, with no snowfall?
What a crock, if there is no snow, the end is near,
what happened to Global Warming promising more
precipitation?
[quote]Now for a completely different continent.
http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUNTRIES/LACEXT/ECUADOREXTN/0,,contentMDK:
"Large cities in the region are depending on glacial runoffs for their
water supply."
"Retracting Glacier Impacts Economic Outlook in the Tropical Andes"
[/quote]
What a crock, if there is no snow, the end is near,
what happened to Global Warming promising more
precipitation? |
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| Curly Surmudgeon... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:18 pm |
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On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 09:27:15 -0500, T. Keating <tkusenet at (no spam) ktcnslt.com>
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[quote]"Retracting Glacier Impacts Economic Outlook in the Tropical Andes"
[/quote]
Bariloche, Mendoza, San Rafael and a bunch of smaller cities make up the
3rd largest metropolitan region of Argentina. It's a desert and
dependent upon melting Andean run off.
Has been for thousands of years, prior to the Incas who are credited with
building the canals and terraces that actually preceded them. The same
irrigation techniques are used today to grow some of the world's great
wines and other agriculture including cattle.
Water is drying up.
--
Regards, Curly
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| Curly Surmudgeon... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:19 pm |
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On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:28:02 -0400, "I M at (no spam) good guy" <I_m at (no spam) good.guy> wrote:
[quote]On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 09:27:15 -0500, T. Keating <tkusenet at (no spam) ktcnslt.com
wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:11:49 -0800 (PST), Zymrgy <zymrgy at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
On Nov 2, 3:09Â pm, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw... at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om
wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2009-11-02-
kili...
 "Kilimanjaro's famous icy peaks are thawing fast"
[
Climate change could cause the legendary snow and ice atop Mount
Kilimanjaro to disappear within the next 25 years, scientists report
today in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
For the first time in almost 12,000 years, based on ice-core
analysis, Africa's highest peak probably will be ice-free as early as
2022 or as late as 2033, says glaciologist Lonnie Thompson of Ohio
State University, who led the study.
"Of the ice cover present in 1912," Thompson and his colleagues write
in the paper, "85% has disappeared and 26% of that present in 2000 is
now gone." ]
Thompson...what a tool. Kilimanjaro suffers from land use changes
(deforestation) which in turn effects the amount of moisture around the
mountain....also there is Atlantic Multidecadal changes. Deforestation
also adds to the dust in the atmosphere, which lands on whatever snow
Kilimanjaro does get, which speeds up the melting process. This shit is
OLD news. Thompson also states that "coupled with even greater
increases in the mid- to upper-tropical troposphere, as documented in
recent decades, would at least partially explain”....This is complete
bullshit. Go check the data from NOAA and other sources. Satellites and
weather balloons show no warming in mid to high levels in the tropics.
Only in the tinkertoy climate models does that happen.
And whats the big fucking deal if it DOES lose its glaciers. It didn't
have any 12,000 years ago...a blink of an eye climatology/geologically
speaking. It will disappear someday...and most likely reappear again.
wait a few million years.
A lot of animals and people will be displaced when the melt water
shrinks to a tiny trickle.
So glaciers supply melt water for 12,000 years,
magically, with no snowfall?
What a crock, if there is no snow, the end is near,
what happened to Global Warming promising more precipitation?
Now for a completely different continent.
http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUNTRIES/LACEXT/
ECUADOREXTN/0,,contentMDK:
"Large cities in the region are depending on glacial runoffs for their
water supply."
"Retracting Glacier Impacts Economic Outlook in the Tropical Andes"
What a crock, if there is no snow, the end is near,
what happened to Global Warming promising more precipitation?
[/quote]
If you're that ignorant then I suggest educating yourself before
participating in a discussion so far over your head.
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Regards, Curly
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:53 am |
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:19:20 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
<CurlySurmudgeon at (no spam) live.com> wrote:
[quote]On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:28:02 -0400, "I M at (no spam) good guy" <I_m at (no spam) good.guy> wrote:
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 09:27:15 -0500, T. Keating <tkusenet at (no spam) ktcnslt.com
wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:11:49 -0800 (PST), Zymrgy <zymrgy at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
On Nov 2, 3:09Â pm, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw... at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om
wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2009-11-02-
kili...
 "Kilimanjaro's famous icy peaks are thawing fast"
[
Climate change could cause the legendary snow and ice atop Mount
Kilimanjaro to disappear within the next 25 years, scientists report
today in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
For the first time in almost 12,000 years, based on ice-core
analysis, Africa's highest peak probably will be ice-free as early as
2022 or as late as 2033, says glaciologist Lonnie Thompson of Ohio
State University, who led the study.
"Of the ice cover present in 1912," Thompson and his colleagues write
in the paper, "85% has disappeared and 26% of that present in 2000 is
now gone." ]
Thompson...what a tool. Kilimanjaro suffers from land use changes
(deforestation) which in turn effects the amount of moisture around the
mountain....also there is Atlantic Multidecadal changes. Deforestation
also adds to the dust in the atmosphere, which lands on whatever snow
Kilimanjaro does get, which speeds up the melting process. This shit is
OLD news. Thompson also states that "coupled with even greater
increases in the mid- to upper-tropical troposphere, as documented in
recent decades, would at least partially explain”....This is complete
bullshit. Go check the data from NOAA and other sources. Satellites and
weather balloons show no warming in mid to high levels in the tropics.
Only in the tinkertoy climate models does that happen.
And whats the big fucking deal if it DOES lose its glaciers. It didn't
have any 12,000 years ago...a blink of an eye climatology/geologically
speaking. It will disappear someday...and most likely reappear again.
wait a few million years.
A lot of animals and people will be displaced when the melt water
shrinks to a tiny trickle.
So glaciers supply melt water for 12,000 years,
magically, with no snowfall?
What a crock, if there is no snow, the end is near,
what happened to Global Warming promising more precipitation?
Now for a completely different continent.
http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUNTRIES/LACEXT/
ECUADOREXTN/0,,contentMDK:
"Large cities in the region are depending on glacial runoffs for their
water supply."
"Retracting Glacier Impacts Economic Outlook in the Tropical Andes"
What a crock, if there is no snow, the end is near,
what happened to Global Warming promising more precipitation?
If you're that ignorant then I suggest educating yourself before
participating in a discussion so far over your head.
[/quote]
If there is no snow, the end is near, is there some
reason glaciers would not be subject to the same reality
of physics? |
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On Nov 3, 9:11 pm, Zymrgy <zym... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 2, 3:09 pm, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw... at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om
wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2009-11-02-kili...
"Kilimanjaro's famous icy peaks are thawing fast"
[
Climate change could cause the legendary snow and ice atop Mount Kilimanjaro to
disappear within the next 25 years, scientists report today in the journal
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
For the first time in almost 12,000 years, based on ice-core analysis, Africa's
highest peak probably will be ice-free as early as 2022 or as late as 2033, says
glaciologist Lonnie Thompson of Ohio State University, who led the study.
"Of the ice cover present in 1912," Thompson and his colleagues write in the
paper, "85% has disappeared and 26% of that present in 2000 is now gone.."
]
Thompson...what a tool. Kilimanjaro suffers from land use changes
(deforestation) which in turn effects the amount of moisture around
the mountain....also there is Atlantic Multidecadal changes.
Deforestation also adds to the dust in the atmosphere, which lands on
whatever snow Kilimanjaro does get, which speeds up the melting
process. This shit is OLD news. Thompson also states that "coupled
with even greater increases in the mid- to upper-tropical troposphere,
as documented in recent decades, would at least partially
explain”....This is complete bullshit. Go check the data from NOAA and
other sources. Satellites and weather balloons show no warming in mid
to high levels in the tropics. Only in the tinkertoy climate models
does that happen.
And whats the big fucking deal if it DOES lose its glaciers. It didn't
have any 12,000 years ago...a blink of an eye climatology/geologically
speaking. It will disappear someday...and most likely reappear again.
wait a few million years.
[/quote]
I always get a kick from the people who pee themselves over ice melt.
Not too long ago the very place I sit as I type this was under 5000
feet of ice. And I with out an hat. And as someone who can not swim, I
am deeply(that is a pun....just wait) concerned that in just a few
years this here spot will be under fathoms and fathoms of salt water
with widdle fishies screwing and pooping and swimming hither and yon
where once I planted a garden. fathom that.
If any yip-ity bitches want to shut themselves up - and they don't
because they are yip-ity bitches - just look up the amount of air
pollutants we get from volcanoes and yak farts /vs the amount of
pollutants we get from us. (breathe methane for a few days and get
back to me)
It's Earth. She's fine. It is we who will pass.
(there is empirical data that suggests there is a funny, sarcasticle
*next* line that ends in ass. the proof is left to the reader. ed.) |
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On Nov 5, 3:53 am, "I M at (no spam) good guy" <I... at (no spam) good.guy> wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 08:19:20 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
CurlySurmudg... at (no spam) live.com> wrote:
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:28:02 -0400, "I M at (no spam) good guy" <I... at (no spam) good.guy> wrote:
On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 09:27:15 -0500, T. Keating <tkuse... at (no spam) ktcnslt.com
wrote:
On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 18:11:49 -0800 (PST), Zymrgy <zym... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
On Nov 2, 3:09 pm, Cliff <Clhuprichguessw... at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om
wrote:
http://www.usatoday.com/weather/climate/globalwarming/2009-11-02-
kili...
"Kilimanjaro's famous icy peaks are thawing fast"
[
Climate change could cause the legendary snow and ice atop Mount
Kilimanjaro to disappear within the next 25 years, scientists report
today in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
For the first time in almost 12,000 years, based on ice-core
analysis, Africa's highest peak probably will be ice-free as early as
2022 or as late as 2033, says glaciologist Lonnie Thompson of Ohio
State University, who led the study.
"Of the ice cover present in 1912," Thompson and his colleagues write
in the paper, "85% has disappeared and 26% of that present in 2000 is
now gone." ]
Thompson...what a tool. Kilimanjaro suffers from land use changes
(deforestation) which in turn effects the amount of moisture around the
mountain....also there is Atlantic Multidecadal changes. Deforestation
also adds to the dust in the atmosphere, which lands on whatever snow
Kilimanjaro does get, which speeds up the melting process. This shit is
OLD news. Thompson also states that "coupled with even greater
increases in the mid- to upper-tropical troposphere, as documented in
recent decades, would at least partially explain”....This is complete
bullshit. Go check the data from NOAA and other sources. Satellites and
weather balloons show no warming in mid to high levels in the tropics..
Only in the tinkertoy climate models does that happen.
And whats the big fucking deal if it DOES lose its glaciers. It didn't
have any 12,000 years ago...a blink of an eye climatology/geologically
speaking. It will disappear someday...and most likely reappear again.
wait a few million years.
A lot of animals and people will be displaced when the melt water
shrinks to a tiny trickle.
So glaciers supply melt water for 12,000 years,
magically, with no snowfall?
What a crock, if there is no snow, the end is near,
what happened to Global Warming promising more precipitation?
Now for a completely different continent.
http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXTERNAL/COUNTRIES/LACEXT/
ECUADOREXTN/0,,contentMDK:
"Large cities in the region are depending on glacial runoffs for their
water supply."
"Retracting Glacier Impacts Economic Outlook in the Tropical Andes"
What a crock, if there is no snow, the end is near,
what happened to Global Warming promising more precipitation?
If you're that ignorant then I suggest educating yourself before
participating in a discussion so far over your head.
If there is no snow, the end is near, is there some
reason glaciers would not be subject to the same reality
of physics?
[/quote]
•• There is snow and since it is springtime in the
Andes there is sure to be melting. There also
are some active volcanoes in the region.
— —
.. In real science the burden of proof is always
.. on the proposer, never on the sceptics. So far
.. neither IPCC nor anyone else has provided one
.. iota of valid data for global warming nor have
.. they provided data that climate change is being
.. effected by commerce and industry, and not by
.. natural phenomena. |
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| leonard78sp at (no spam) gmail.com... |
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On Nov 7, 7:42 am, "billynev... at (no spam) gmail.com" <billynev... at (no spam) gmail.com>
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[quote]I always get a kick from the people who pee themselves over ice melt.
Not too long ago the very place I sit as I type this was under 5000
feet of ice. And I with out an hat. And as someone who can not swim, I
am deeply(that is a pun....just wait) concerned that in just a few
years this here spot will be under fathoms and fathoms of salt water
with widdle fishies screwing and pooping and swimming hither and yon
where once I planted a garden. fathom that.
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•• Do not worry, billy, it is more likely that your
garden will be under 5000 feet of ice once again.
It will take a few thousand years, but don't concern
yourself with the wait. |
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