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dead poet society movie is said to be "Transcendentalism" , do any of
you know about that movie.... It is about transcendentialism that
kant gave? i don't understand how that relates to existentialism and
how kant relates to existentialism
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:25 pm |
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On Nov 3, 1:07 am, "turtoni" <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
[quote]"Seven boys, Neil Perry (Robert Sean Leonard), Todd Anderson (Ethan Hawke),
Knox Overstreet (Josh Charles), Charlie Dalton (Gale Hansen), Richard
Cameron (Dylan Kussman), Steven Meeks (Allelon Ruggiero) and Gerard Pitts
(James Waterston) attend the prestigious Welton Academy prep school, which
is based on four principles: Tradition, Honour, Discipline and Excellence..
On the first day of class, the students are introduced to their overwhelming
and extraordinary curriculum by sullen headmaster Gale Nolan (Norman Lloyd).
However, their new English teacher John Keating (Robin Williams) tells the
students that they may call him "O Captain! My Captain!" (the title of a
Walt Whitman poem) if they feel daring. His first lesson is unorthodox by
Welton standards, whistling the 1812 Overture and taking them out of the
classroom to focus on the idea of carpe diem (Latin for 'seize the day') by
looking at the pictures of former Welton students in a trophy case. In a
later class, Keating has Neil read the introduction to their poetry
textbook, an academic essay entitled "Understanding Poetry" by the fictional
Dr. J. Evans Pritchard, PhD., which describes how to place the quality of a
poem on a scale, and rate it with a number. Keating finds the idea of such
mathematical literary criticism ridiculous and instructs his pupils to rip
the introductory essay out of their textbooks. After a brief reaction of
disbelief, they do so gleefully as Keating congratulates them with the
memorable line "Begone, J. Evans Pritchard, Ph.D!" He later has the students
stand on his desk as a reminder to look at the world in a different way,
just as Henry David Thoreau intended when he wrote, "The universe is wider
than our views of it" (Walden).
From that point on, the boys set out on a journey of awakening, discovering
that authority can and must always act as a guide, but the only place where
one can find out one's true identity is within oneself. To that end, the
boys secretly revive an old literary club of which Keating had been a
member, called the Dead Poets Society. Todd experiences a particular
transformation when, out of a severe episode of self-consciousness, he fails
to complete a creative writing assignment and is subsequently taken through
an exercise of uncharacteristic self-expression, realizing the creative
potential he truly possesses. One of the boys, Charlie Dalton, takes his new
personal freedom too far and publishes a profane and unauthorized article in
the school flyer. In this article, Charlie states that he wants to have
girls allowed at Welton. To the amusement of the other boys, he fakes a
phone call from God saying that girls should be allowed at Welton. Dean
Nolan paddles and interrogates Charlie about the others involved. Charlie
says he acted alone.
Knox meets a beautiful young girl named Christine and falls in love with
her, later using his poetry flair that he learned in Keating's great English
class to woo her. He presents one of these poems in class as his poetry
assignment, and although he is somehwat embarrassed, he is applauded by
Keating for writing such a courageous and heartfelt poem on love. Knox later
travels off Welton grounds to Christine's public school and upon finding
her, he recites his poem to her.
Neil, without his father's permission, tries out for a local production of
Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream. He desperately wants to be an
actor, but knows his extremely strict father (Kurtwood Smith) will
disapprove. One day when Neil walks into his dorm room, he finds his father
waiting for him. He orders Neil to withdraw from the play, but Neil goes
against his wishes and delivers a sterling performance as Puck.
Infuriated by this affront to his authority, Neil's father plans to pull him
out of Welton and to enroll him in Braden Military School to prepare him for
Harvard University and a career in medicine. Unable to cope with the future
that awaited him and equally unable to make his father understand his
emotions, Neil commits suicide with his father's revolver.
At the request of Neil's parents, Nolan launches an investigation into the
tragedy. Richard is solicited for information and is brought to a meeting
with the school governors and board of regents. Under vigorous questioning
from Charlie, Richard admits that he not only squealed on them but has also
turned Keating into the scapegoat. Charlie viciously attacks Richard, but
Richard urges them to let Keating take the fall rather than risk ruining
their lives.
Neil's father takes no responsibility for his son's death and instead holds
Keating responsible. Todd is called to Nolan's office, where his parents are
waiting. Todd is forced to admit being a member of the Dead Poets Society..
He is also forced to sign a written confession casting blame on Keating for
abusing his authority as a teacher, inciting the boys to restart the Dead
Poets Society (even though they restarted it themselves) and-most
seriously-encouraging Neil to flout his father's authority. It is implied
that Knox, Richard, Steven and Gerard were also pressured into signing the
confession. Keating is fired.
In the film's dramatic conclusion, the boys return to English class
following Keating's dismissal. The class is now being temporarily taught by
Nolan, who has the boys read from the very Pritchard essay they had ripped
out at the start of the semester. As the lesson drones on, Keating enters
the room to retrieve a few belongings. On his way out, Todd apologizes to
Keating for having signed the confession, citing the pressure exerted by the
Academy and his parents. Keating acknowledges this. Nolan sternly orders
Todd to be quiet and demands that Keating leave at once. As he exits the
door, Keating is startled to hear "O Captain! My Captain!" being called out
by Todd, who has stood on his desk as Keating made him to do earlier,
demonstrating the new perspective Keating has taught him. Enraged, Nolan
warns Todd to sit down immediately or face expulsion, only to be defied.
Then, one after another, the members of the Dead Poets Society (excepting
Cameron, conspicuously) climb onto their desks and look at Mr. Keating
proudly."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Poets_Society
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Thanks for the rundown Turtoni. I'd never seen the movie myself, not
a great Robin Williams fan. So, what can we learn from this?
My comments [as if anyone wants to hear, ha...but passes the time
anyway]...
Carl Sagan's 'blue dot' destroys more than simple gods; perhaps too,
the poet in us.
When I was 24, I fell madly in love with a beautiful girl. I remember
then how life became so clear, totally understood. All things led to
that moment and a completeness within.
Most would call such a moment obscurred with emotion of course. Even
now, as I look back, fully detached from that moment so long ago, I
still remember how so clear everything was...life completely
understood. |
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"Seven boys, Neil Perry (Robert Sean Leonard), Todd Anderson (Ethan Hawke),
Knox Overstreet (Josh Charles), Charlie Dalton (Gale Hansen), Richard
Cameron (Dylan Kussman), Steven Meeks (Allelon Ruggiero) and Gerard Pitts
(James Waterston) attend the prestigious Welton Academy prep school, which
is based on four principles: Tradition, Honour, Discipline and Excellence.
On the first day of class, the students are introduced to their overwhelming
and extraordinary curriculum by sullen headmaster Gale Nolan (Norman Lloyd).
However, their new English teacher John Keating (Robin Williams) tells the
students that they may call him "O Captain! My Captain!" (the title of a
Walt Whitman poem) if they feel daring. His first lesson is unorthodox by
Welton standards, whistling the 1812 Overture and taking them out of the
classroom to focus on the idea of carpe diem (Latin for 'seize the day') by
looking at the pictures of former Welton students in a trophy case. In a
later class, Keating has Neil read the introduction to their poetry
textbook, an academic essay entitled "Understanding Poetry" by the fictional
Dr. J. Evans Pritchard, PhD., which describes how to place the quality of a
poem on a scale, and rate it with a number. Keating finds the idea of such
mathematical literary criticism ridiculous and instructs his pupils to rip
the introductory essay out of their textbooks. After a brief reaction of
disbelief, they do so gleefully as Keating congratulates them with the
memorable line "Begone, J. Evans Pritchard, Ph.D!" He later has the students
stand on his desk as a reminder to look at the world in a different way,
just as Henry David Thoreau intended when he wrote, "The universe is wider
than our views of it" (Walden).
From that point on, the boys set out on a journey of awakening, discovering
that authority can and must always act as a guide, but the only place where
one can find out one's true identity is within oneself. To that end, the
boys secretly revive an old literary club of which Keating had been a
member, called the Dead Poets Society. Todd experiences a particular
transformation when, out of a severe episode of self-consciousness, he fails
to complete a creative writing assignment and is subsequently taken through
an exercise of uncharacteristic self-expression, realizing the creative
potential he truly possesses. One of the boys, Charlie Dalton, takes his new
personal freedom too far and publishes a profane and unauthorized article in
the school flyer. In this article, Charlie states that he wants to have
girls allowed at Welton. To the amusement of the other boys, he fakes a
phone call from God saying that girls should be allowed at Welton. Dean
Nolan paddles and interrogates Charlie about the others involved. Charlie
says he acted alone.
Knox meets a beautiful young girl named Christine and falls in love with
her, later using his poetry flair that he learned in Keating's great English
class to woo her. He presents one of these poems in class as his poetry
assignment, and although he is somehwat embarrassed, he is applauded by
Keating for writing such a courageous and heartfelt poem on love. Knox later
travels off Welton grounds to Christine's public school and upon finding
her, he recites his poem to her.
Neil, without his father's permission, tries out for a local production of
Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream. He desperately wants to be an
actor, but knows his extremely strict father (Kurtwood Smith) will
disapprove. One day when Neil walks into his dorm room, he finds his father
waiting for him. He orders Neil to withdraw from the play, but Neil goes
against his wishes and delivers a sterling performance as Puck.
Infuriated by this affront to his authority, Neil's father plans to pull him
out of Welton and to enroll him in Braden Military School to prepare him for
Harvard University and a career in medicine. Unable to cope with the future
that awaited him and equally unable to make his father understand his
emotions, Neil commits suicide with his father's revolver.
At the request of Neil's parents, Nolan launches an investigation into the
tragedy. Richard is solicited for information and is brought to a meeting
with the school governors and board of regents. Under vigorous questioning
from Charlie, Richard admits that he not only squealed on them but has also
turned Keating into the scapegoat. Charlie viciously attacks Richard, but
Richard urges them to let Keating take the fall rather than risk ruining
their lives.
Neil's father takes no responsibility for his son's death and instead holds
Keating responsible. Todd is called to Nolan's office, where his parents are
waiting. Todd is forced to admit being a member of the Dead Poets Society.
He is also forced to sign a written confession casting blame on Keating for
abusing his authority as a teacher, inciting the boys to restart the Dead
Poets Society (even though they restarted it themselves) and-most
seriously-encouraging Neil to flout his father's authority. It is implied
that Knox, Richard, Steven and Gerard were also pressured into signing the
confession. Keating is fired.
In the film's dramatic conclusion, the boys return to English class
following Keating's dismissal. The class is now being temporarily taught by
Nolan, who has the boys read from the very Pritchard essay they had ripped
out at the start of the semester. As the lesson drones on, Keating enters
the room to retrieve a few belongings. On his way out, Todd apologizes to
Keating for having signed the confession, citing the pressure exerted by the
Academy and his parents. Keating acknowledges this. Nolan sternly orders
Todd to be quiet and demands that Keating leave at once. As he exits the
door, Keating is startled to hear "O Captain! My Captain!" being called out
by Todd, who has stood on his desk as Keating made him to do earlier,
demonstrating the new perspective Keating has taught him. Enraged, Nolan
warns Todd to sit down immediately or face expulsion, only to be defied.
Then, one after another, the members of the Dead Poets Society (excepting
Cameron, conspicuously) climb onto their desks and look at Mr. Keating
proudly."
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