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There are many similarities between gravitational and EM waves, but EM
waves only act on electrically charged masses; however, neutron
scattering still occurs due to interference between the magnetic
dipole and spin-orbit interaction.
The question related to gravitational and EM waves is rather what is
electrical charge? If electric charge is an expansion or contraction
of space-time then gravitational waves would only interact with
matter, which by its very nature is a distortion of the metric tensor
i.e. electrically charged.
Has the hidden gravitational wave been EM waves all along? |
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| Juan R." González-Álvarez... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:47 am |
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| dlzc... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:30 am |
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Dear rim317-...:
On Nov 1, 5:02 am, rim317-... at (no spam) yahoo.co.uk wrote:
[quote]There are many similarities between
gravitational and EM waves,
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No. The falloffs are way different.
[quote]but EM waves only act on electrically
charged masses;
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Electrical *charges*, mass is not a requirement.
[quote]however, neutron scattering still occurs
due to interference between the magnetic
dipole and spin-orbit interaction.
The question related to gravitational
and EM waves is rather what is electrical
charge? If electric charge is an
expansion or contraction of space-time
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No.
[quote]then gravitational waves would only
interact with matter,
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No.
[quote]which by its very nature is a
distortion of the metric tensor
i.e. electrically charged.
Has the hidden gravitational wave been
EM waves all along?
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Try this. Mass is proportional (in most cases) to magnetic moment.
Net magnetic moment of a system is reduced when the charged bits are
brought closer together (gravitation), and net energy is released.
Every bit in this Universe is bathed in EM radiation, which could
"power" gravitation.
However, gravitational acceleration does not cause charges to
radiate. EM driven acceleration does.
David A. Smith |
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| eric gisse... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:31 am |
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rim317-ben at (no spam) yahoo.co.uk wrote:
[quote]There are many similarities between gravitational and EM waves
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No.
[snip rest] |
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| eric gisse... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:33 am |
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Juan R. González-Álvarez wrote:
[quote]rim317-ben wrote on Sun, 01 Nov 2009 04:02:07 -0800:
snip nonsense
Has the hidden gravitational wave been EM waves all along?
Nobody knows. In emergent approaches to gravity, gravity is a 'residual'
interaction arising from electromagnetism. In this speculative picture,
gravitational waves are just certain non-linear bundles of EM waves.
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Why are you citing speculative theories that have no observational support?
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One of those approaches has been recently analized in
http://www.canonicalscience.org/en/publicationzone/canonicalsciencereports/20092.html
See the reference #11 cited therein.
[/quote]
Be honest. Has anyone actually paid money for your articles yet? |
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| Nick |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:28 am |
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On Nov 1, 10:30 am, dlzc <dl... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
[quote]Dear rim317-...:
On Nov 1, 5:02 am, rim317-... at (no spam) yahoo.co.uk wrote:
There are many similarities between
gravitational and EM waves,
No. The falloffs are way different.
but EM waves only act on electrically
charged masses;
Electrical *charges*, mass is not a requirement.
however, neutron scattering still occurs
due to interference between the magnetic
dipole and spin-orbit interaction.
The question related to gravitational
and EM waves is rather what is electrical
charge? If electric charge is an
expansion or contraction of space-time
No.
then gravitational waves would only
interact with matter,
No.
which by its very nature is a
distortion of the metric tensor
i.e. electrically charged.
Has the hidden gravitational wave been
EM waves all along?
Try this. Mass is proportional (in most cases) to magnetic moment.
Net magnetic moment of a system is reduced when the charged bits are
brought closer together (gravitation), and net energy is released.
Every bit in this Universe is bathed in EM radiation, which could
"power" gravitation.
However, gravitational acceleration does not cause charges to
radiate. EM driven acceleration does.
David A. Smith
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Gravity waves and light waves move at the speed of light but gravity
geometry wave cannot be absorbed like light and is destined to roam
the universe forever.
Mitch Raemsch |
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| Ken S. Tucker... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:13 pm |
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On Nov 1, 4:02 am, rim317-... at (no spam) yahoo.co.uk wrote:
[quote]There are many similarities between gravitational and EM waves, but EM
waves only act on electrically charged masses; however, neutron
scattering still occurs due to interference between the magnetic
dipole and spin-orbit interaction.
[/quote]
That's advanced, please provide an online ref.
[quote]The question related to gravitational and EM waves is rather what is
electrical charge? If electric charge is an expansion or contraction
of space-time then gravitational waves would only interact with
matter, which by its very nature is a distortion of the metric tensor
i.e. electrically charged.
Has the hidden gravitational wave been EM waves all along?
[/quote]
That's what I think, see Eq.(2) herein,
http://physics.trak4.com/GR_Charge_Couple.pdf
The philosophy is straightforward == GR applies to
all configurations of energy, thus including electrical,
so when mass is expressed in terms of an electrical
configuration then g-waves become EM waves.
In theoretics, the term "mass" has NO definition, it's
generic, so I'm using an electrical definition of energy.
Regards
Ken S. Tucker |
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| Juan R." González-Álvarez... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:27 pm |
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| Igor... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:53 am |
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On Nov 1, 7:02 am, rim317-... at (no spam) yahoo.co.uk wrote:
[quote]There are many similarities between gravitational and EM waves, but EM
waves only act on electrically charged masses; however, neutron
scattering still occurs due to interference between the magnetic
dipole and spin-orbit interaction.
The question related to gravitational and EM waves is rather what is
electrical charge? If electric charge is an expansion or contraction
of space-time then gravitational waves would only interact with
matter, which by its very nature is a distortion of the metric tensor
i.e. electrically charged.
Has the hidden gravitational wave been EM waves all along?
[/quote]
EM radiation has spin one and gravitational radiation has spin two.
EM is dipole and Gravitational is quadrupole. They are completely
different animals. |
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| Nick |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:12 am |
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On Nov 2, 6:53 am, Igor <thoov... at (no spam) excite.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 1, 7:02 am, rim317-... at (no spam) yahoo.co.uk wrote:
There are many similarities between gravitational and EM waves, but EM
waves only act on electrically charged masses; however, neutron
scattering still occurs due to interference between the magnetic
dipole and spin-orbit interaction.
The question related to gravitational and EM waves is rather what is
electrical charge? If electric charge is an expansion or contraction
of space-time then gravitational waves would only interact with
matter, which by its very nature is a distortion of the metric tensor
i.e. electrically charged.
Has the hidden gravitational wave been EM waves all along?
EM radiation has spin one and gravitational radiation has spin two.
EM is dipole and Gravitational is quadrupole. They are completely
different animals.
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There is no rotation. A point particle can't. If it did it would have
infinite degrees of freedom or different spin speeds and orientation
of speeds. Spin is bunk. Point particles can't rotate. They are
infinitely small.
Mitch Raemsch |
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| eric gisse... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:20 am |
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Juan R. González-Álvarez wrote:
[quote]eric gisse wrote on Sun, 01 Nov 2009 06:33:23 -0800:
Juan R. González-Álvarez wrote:
rim317-ben wrote on Sun, 01 Nov 2009 04:02:07 -0800:
snip nonsense
Has the hidden gravitational wave been EM waves all along?
Nobody knows. In emergent approaches to gravity, gravity is a
'residual' interaction arising from electromagnetism. In this
speculative picture, gravitational waves are just certain non-linear
bundles of EM waves.
Why are you citing speculative theories that have no observational
support?
I am not.
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Then why bring it up?
[quote]
One of those approaches has been recently analized in
http://www.canonicalscience.org/en/publicationzone/canonicalsciencereports/20092.html
See the reference #11 cited therein.
Be honest. Has anyone actually paid money for your articles yet?
:_-D
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I've never been clear on if you really seriously expect people to pay money
to you just to read your poorly sourced articles. |
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| Igor... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:55 am |
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On Nov 2, 12:12 pm, BURT <macromi... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 2, 6:53 am, Igor <thoov... at (no spam) excite.com> wrote:
On Nov 1, 7:02 am, rim317-... at (no spam) yahoo.co.uk wrote:
There are many similarities between gravitational and EM waves, but EM
waves only act on electrically charged masses; however, neutron
scattering still occurs due to interference between the magnetic
dipole and spin-orbit interaction.
The question related to gravitational and EM waves is rather what is
electrical charge? If electric charge is an expansion or contraction
of space-time then gravitational waves would only interact with
matter, which by its very nature is a distortion of the metric tensor
i.e. electrically charged.
Has the hidden gravitational wave been EM waves all along?
EM radiation has spin one and gravitational radiation has spin two.
EM is dipole and Gravitational is quadrupole. They are completely
different animals.
There is no rotation. A point particle can't. If it did it would have
infinite degrees of freedom or different spin speeds and orientation
of speeds. Spin is bunk. Point particles can't rotate. They are
infinitely small.
Mitch Raemsch
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We learn by asking questions. But first, you need to ask the
questions, lest you remain hopelessly ignornant. And unfortunately,
helplessly ignorant, as in your case. |
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| Ken S. Tucker... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:48 am |
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On Nov 2, 6:53 am, Igor <thoov... at (no spam) excite.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 1, 7:02 am, rim317-... at (no spam) yahoo.co.uk wrote:
There are many similarities between gravitational and EM waves, but EM
waves only act on electrically charged masses; however, neutron
scattering still occurs due to interference between the magnetic
dipole and spin-orbit interaction.
The question related to gravitational and EM waves is rather what is
electrical charge? If electric charge is an expansion or contraction
of space-time then gravitational waves would only interact with
matter, which by its very nature is a distortion of the metric tensor
i.e. electrically charged.
Has the hidden gravitational wave been EM waves all along?
EM radiation has spin one and gravitational radiation has spin two.
EM is dipole and Gravitational is quadrupole. They are completely
different animals.
[/quote]
Is it possible to emit 2 photons, each with spin 1?
I find so, the math is straightforward if you're ok
with basic Maxwell Equations.
Regards
Ken S. Tucker |
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| eric gisse... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:11 pm |
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Ken S. Tucker wrote:
[quote]On Nov 2, 6:53 am, Igor <thoov... at (no spam) excite.com> wrote:
On Nov 1, 7:02 am, rim317-... at (no spam) yahoo.co.uk wrote:
There are many similarities between gravitational and EM waves, but EM
waves only act on electrically charged masses; however, neutron
scattering still occurs due to interference between the magnetic
dipole and spin-orbit interaction.
The question related to gravitational and EM waves is rather what is
electrical charge? If electric charge is an expansion or contraction
of space-time then gravitational waves would only interact with
matter, which by its very nature is a distortion of the metric tensor
i.e. electrically charged.
Has the hidden gravitational wave been EM waves all along?
EM radiation has spin one and gravitational radiation has spin two.
EM is dipole and Gravitational is quadrupole. They are completely
different animals.
Is it possible to emit 2 photons, each with spin 1?
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No, Ken, it isn't.
[quote]I find so, the math is straightforward if you're ok
with basic Maxwell Equations.
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You don't even know what Maxwell's equations are or how to solve them.
[quote]Regards
Ken S. Tucker[/quote] |
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| Ben... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:04 am |
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On 2 Nov, 05:13, "Ken S. Tucker" <dynam... at (no spam) vianet.on.ca> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 1, 4:02 am, rim317-... at (no spam) yahoo.co.uk wrote:
That's advanced, please provide an online ref.
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http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PRC/v7/i5/p1926_1
[quote]
The question related to gravitational and EM waves is rather what is
electrical charge? If electric charge is an expansion or contraction
of space-time then gravitational waves would only interact with
matter, which by its very nature is a distortion of the metric tensor
i.e. electrically charged.
Has the hidden gravitational wave been EM waves all along?
That's what I think, see Eq.(2) herein,http://physics.trak4.com/GR_Charge_Couple.pdf
The philosophy is straightforward == GR applies to
all configurations of energy, thus including electrical,
so when mass is expressed in terms of an electrical
configuration then g-waves become EM waves.
In theoretics, the term "mass" has NO definition, it's
generic, so I'm using an electrical definition of energy.
Regards
Ken S. Tucker
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This is a simple and straightforward solution resolving EM and
gravity.
It then can be expanded to understand the quantum world. If matter is
simply a contraction/expansion of the metric tensor then particles
would be able to disappear/reappear and would have to possess a wave/
particle duality by their very construction. The probabilities of
quantum mechanics then appear logical. |
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