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| Jon Slaughter... |
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I'm looking for a tutorial/introduction/book on wireless comm circuits. Not
something advanced but not something for retards. Something like AOE for
wirelss comm. I don't care really too much about all the theory at this
point but just want the basics along with the basics of circuit design and
antenna design. I'm not looking to be an expert but just have some
confidence when designing simple wireless circuits and understand the major
issues involved. I don't like to follow datasheet's circuit examples or
other found on the internet unless I have a decent understanding of what is
going on. Like why the balun or why did they use this value capacitor,
etc... In that case I know it has something to do with impedence matching
with the antenna and/or filtering.
I know the general idea of radiating power from an antenna but I need a bit
more practical theory(but not something for hardcore as I won't be getting
hard core into it) and a bit of how it actually works in the real world.
(Again, like AOE but for wireless)
Ultimately I'll be using an IC that does almost all the stuff needed
internally so it's not necessary but I'll feel more comfortable about it if
I have some idea what is really going on.
What I don't want, for example, is where they solve maxwell's equations for
a monopole antenna to show the electric field value at some arbitrary point.
I could really careless at this point about that kinda stuff(not saying it's
important but that is not my goal). I don't mind the result being shown but
just care about a page of equations that really won't make me understand the
real world application any better. The final equation might but I don't
wanna wade through all of the intermediate steps to get there. |
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| Nico Coesel... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:46 pm |
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"Jon Slaughter" <Jon_Slaughter at (no spam) Hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]I'm looking for a tutorial/introduction/book on wireless comm circuits. Not
something advanced but not something for retards. Something like AOE for
wirelss comm. I don't care really too much about all the theory at this
point but just want the basics along with the basics of circuit design and
antenna design. I'm not looking to be an expert but just have some
confidence when designing simple wireless circuits and understand the major
issues involved. I don't like to follow datasheet's circuit examples or
[/quote]
TI has many application notes for their CC1000 and CC2000 series
wireless chips. Silabs has some interesting chips as well.
--
Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply
indicates you are not using the right tools...
"If it doesn't fit, use a bigger hammer!"
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| Charlie E.... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:11 am |
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On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:46:23 GMT, nico at (no spam) puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel)
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[quote]"Jon Slaughter" <Jon_Slaughter at (no spam) Hotmail.com> wrote:
I'm looking for a tutorial/introduction/book on wireless comm circuits. Not
something advanced but not something for retards. Something like AOE for
wirelss comm. I don't care really too much about all the theory at this
point but just want the basics along with the basics of circuit design and
antenna design. I'm not looking to be an expert but just have some
confidence when designing simple wireless circuits and understand the major
issues involved. I don't like to follow datasheet's circuit examples or
TI has many application notes for their CC1000 and CC2000 series
wireless chips. Silabs has some interesting chips as well.
[/quote]
A copy of the ARRL Handbook?
Charlie |
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| Jan Panteltje... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:26 am |
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On a sunny day (Mon, 02 Nov 2009 07:11:49 -0800) it happened Charlie E.
<edmondson at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote in <5ltte5h1nl7300o32iroqaqcuh6ddhut0m at (no spam) 4ax.com>:
[quote]On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:46:23 GMT, nico at (no spam) puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel)
wrote:
"Jon Slaughter" <Jon_Slaughter at (no spam) Hotmail.com> wrote:
I'm looking for a tutorial/introduction/book on wireless comm circuits. Not
something advanced but not something for retards. Something like AOE for
wirelss comm. I don't care really too much about all the theory at this
point but just want the basics along with the basics of circuit design and
antenna design. I'm not looking to be an expert but just have some
confidence when designing simple wireless circuits and understand the major
issues involved. I don't like to follow datasheet's circuit examples or
TI has many application notes for their CC1000 and CC2000 series
wireless chips. Silabs has some interesting chips as well.
A copy of the ARRL Handbook?
[/quote]
Exactly!
But he would have to build some of the circuits to get some real experience.
OK, ten years later now :-)
[quote]Charlie
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| Jim Thompson... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:08 am |
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On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 07:11:49 -0800, Charlie E. <edmondson at (no spam) ieee.org>
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[quote]On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:46:23 GMT, nico at (no spam) puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel)
wrote:
"Jon Slaughter" <Jon_Slaughter at (no spam) Hotmail.com> wrote:
I'm looking for a tutorial/introduction/book on wireless comm circuits. Not
something advanced but not something for retards. Something like AOE for
wirelss comm. I don't care really too much about all the theory at this
point but just want the basics along with the basics of circuit design and
antenna design. I'm not looking to be an expert but just have some
confidence when designing simple wireless circuits and understand the major
issues involved. I don't like to follow datasheet's circuit examples or
TI has many application notes for their CC1000 and CC2000 series
wireless chips. Silabs has some interesting chips as well.
A copy of the ARRL Handbook?
Charlie
[/quote]
I have that, too.
Radio Amateurs Handbook, 1981
ARRL Handbook, 1999
...Jim Thompson
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| ChrisQ... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:18 pm |
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Jim Thompson wrote:
[quote]I have that, too.
Radio Amateurs Handbook, 1981
ARRL Handbook, 1999
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Ditto here, 1949, 1965, but inherited the 1949 edition from my dad. Also
The Radio Handbook, editors and engineers, 1966, 1939 ish Terman and
later edition with electronic engineering in the title. It's strange how
s single volume like Terman's Radio and Electronic Engineering could
give a reasonable overview of every aspect of the art at the time. Oh
yes, Radio Designers Handbook,1957, from .au and the orange dustjacket
ITT book from the 60's.
Am also collecting the 30 volume set published at the end of WWII by the
MIT Radiation Laboratory. Published initially by McGraw Hill, but after
5 years, placed into the public domain. It covers the whole field of
radio, electronics, microwave, radar, servomechanisms etc and details
the work done at Rad Lab during WW2. There's even a volume on mechanical
computing linkages for function generation etc. It's a real storehouse
of info for anyone interested in the history of science.
More anorakism's I guess, but there you go  ...
Regards,
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| Joel Koltner... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:19 pm |
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"Jon Slaughter" <Jon_Slaughter at (no spam) Hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hckg7u$8bk$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
[quote]I'm looking for a tutorial/introduction/book on wireless comm circuits. Not
something advanced but not something for retards. Something like AOE for
wirelss comm. I don't care really too much about all the theory at this
point but just want the basics along with the basics of circuit design and
antenna design.
[/quote]
For such needs I'd suggest Chris Bowick's "RF Circuit Design" and Wes
Hayward's "Introduction to RF Circuit Design." Both do assume you have a
background in basic circuit theory and know what, e.g., phasors are, but
otherwise require nothing more than algebra and perhaps first semester
calcculus (which can be largely ignored if you're not planning on verifying
the derivations).
[quote]I don't like to follow datasheet's circuit examples or other found on the
internet unless I have a decent understanding of what is going on.
[/quote]
One thing to keep in mind is that by the time you're pushing much into VHF or
higher, parasitics start to become pretty significant and the discrete
component values you see in some guy's schematic can differ noticeably from
what you calculate with an "ideal" circuit model. (So don't be surprsied when
you calculate some capacitor as, e.g., 22pF and the guy has 15pF loaded...)
---Joel |
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| Nico Coesel... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:02 pm |
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Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]On a sunny day (Mon, 02 Nov 2009 07:11:49 -0800) it happened Charlie E.
edmondson at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote in <5ltte5h1nl7300o32iroqaqcuh6ddhut0m at (no spam) 4ax.com>:
On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:46:23 GMT, nico at (no spam) puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel)
wrote:
"Jon Slaughter" <Jon_Slaughter at (no spam) Hotmail.com> wrote:
I'm looking for a tutorial/introduction/book on wireless comm circuits. Not
something advanced but not something for retards. Something like AOE for
wirelss comm. I don't care really too much about all the theory at this
point but just want the basics along with the basics of circuit design and
antenna design. I'm not looking to be an expert but just have some
confidence when designing simple wireless circuits and understand the major
issues involved. I don't like to follow datasheet's circuit examples or
TI has many application notes for their CC1000 and CC2000 series
wireless chips. Silabs has some interesting chips as well.
A copy of the ARRL Handbook?
Exactly!
But he would have to build some of the circuits to get some real experience.
OK, ten years later now
[/quote]
That is a bit of a problem. I have a similar project ahead of me. I'd
like the circuit to perform as good as possible without becoming an RF
expert.
--
Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply
indicates you are not using the right tools...
"If it doesn't fit, use a bigger hammer!"
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| Tim Wescott... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 2:07 pm |
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On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:02:01 +0000, Nico Coesel wrote:
[quote]Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 02 Nov 2009 07:11:49 -0800) it happened Charlie E.
edmondson at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote in
5ltte5h1nl7300o32iroqaqcuh6ddhut0m at (no spam) 4ax.com>:
On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:46:23 GMT, nico at (no spam) puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) wrote:
"Jon Slaughter" <Jon_Slaughter at (no spam) Hotmail.com> wrote:
I'm looking for a tutorial/introduction/book on wireless comm
circuits. Not something advanced but not something for retards.
Something like AOE for wirelss comm. I don't care really too much
about all the theory at this point but just want the basics along
with the basics of circuit design and antenna design. I'm not
looking to be an expert but just have some confidence when designing
simple wireless circuits and understand the major issues involved. I
don't like to follow datasheet's circuit examples or
TI has many application notes for their CC1000 and CC2000 series
wireless chips. Silabs has some interesting chips as well.
A copy of the ARRL Handbook?
Exactly!
But he would have to build some of the circuits to get some real
experience. OK, ten years later now :-)
That is a bit of a problem. I have a similar project ahead of me. I'd
like the circuit to perform as good as possible without becoming an RF
expert.
[/quote]
Why don't you want the circuit to become an RF expert? Does this make
you feel threatened?
--
www.wescottdesign.com |
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| Paul Keinanen... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:35 pm |
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On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:19:50 -0800, "Joel Koltner"
<zapwireDASHgroups at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]"Jon Slaughter" <Jon_Slaughter at (no spam) Hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hckg7u$8bk$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
I'm looking for a tutorial/introduction/book on wireless comm circuits. Not
something advanced but not something for retards. Something like AOE for
wirelss comm. I don't care really too much about all the theory at this
point but just want the basics along with the basics of circuit design and
antenna design.
For such needs I'd suggest Chris Bowick's "RF Circuit Design" and Wes
Hayward's "Introduction to RF Circuit Design." Both do assume you have a
background in basic circuit theory and know what, e.g., phasors are, but
otherwise require nothing more than algebra and perhaps first semester
calcculus (which can be largely ignored if you're not planning on verifying
the derivations).
[/quote]
The Hayward's book should be easy to follow. Some earlier ARRL books
were quite good, but some recent books in order to get as large
audience as possible, much of the usable information has been dropped.
[quote]I don't like to follow datasheet's circuit examples or other found on the
internet unless I have a decent understanding of what is going on.
One thing to keep in mind is that by the time you're pushing much into VHF or
higher, parasitics start to become pretty significant and the discrete
component values you see in some guy's schematic can differ noticeably from
what you calculate with an "ideal" circuit model. (So don't be surprsied when
you calculate some capacitor as, e.g., 22pF and the guy has 15pF loaded...)
[/quote]
Most of the older books have been written with lead through components
in mind, thus there are quite a significant parasitic inductance and
hence the maximum usable frequency is quite low.
Thus, many circuits that were usable up to 100 MHz with lead-through
components might be usable up to 1 GHz wish proper surface mount
components.
Paul |
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| Nico Coesel... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:58 pm |
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Tim Wescott <tim at (no spam) seemywebsite.com> wrote:
[quote]On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 19:02:01 +0000, Nico Coesel wrote:
Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealmtje at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On a sunny day (Mon, 02 Nov 2009 07:11:49 -0800) it happened Charlie E.
edmondson at (no spam) ieee.org> wrote in
5ltte5h1nl7300o32iroqaqcuh6ddhut0m at (no spam) 4ax.com>:
On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:46:23 GMT, nico at (no spam) puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel) wrote:
"Jon Slaughter" <Jon_Slaughter at (no spam) Hotmail.com> wrote:
I'm looking for a tutorial/introduction/book on wireless comm
circuits. Not something advanced but not something for retards.
Something like AOE for wirelss comm. I don't care really too much
about all the theory at this point but just want the basics along
with the basics of circuit design and antenna design. I'm not
looking to be an expert but just have some confidence when designing
simple wireless circuits and understand the major issues involved. I
don't like to follow datasheet's circuit examples or
TI has many application notes for their CC1000 and CC2000 series
wireless chips. Silabs has some interesting chips as well.
A copy of the ARRL Handbook?
Exactly!
But he would have to build some of the circuits to get some real
experience. OK, ten years later now :-)
That is a bit of a problem. I have a similar project ahead of me. I'd
like the circuit to perform as good as possible without becoming an RF
expert.
Why don't you want the circuit to become an RF expert? Does this make
you feel threatened?
[/quote]
OK, without ME, myself or I becoming an RF expert
--
Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply
indicates you are not using the right tools...
"If it doesn't fit, use a bigger hammer!"
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| Phil Hobbs... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:04 pm |
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Jim Thompson wrote:
[quote]On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 07:11:49 -0800, Charlie E. <edmondson at (no spam) ieee.org
wrote:
On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:46:23 GMT, nico at (no spam) puntnl.niks (Nico Coesel)
wrote:
"Jon Slaughter" <Jon_Slaughter at (no spam) Hotmail.com> wrote:
I'm looking for a tutorial/introduction/book on wireless comm circuits. Not
something advanced but not something for retards. Something like AOE for
wirelss comm. I don't care really too much about all the theory at this
point but just want the basics along with the basics of circuit design and
antenna design. I'm not looking to be an expert but just have some
confidence when designing simple wireless circuits and understand the major
issues involved. I don't like to follow datasheet's circuit examples or
TI has many application notes for their CC1000 and CC2000 series
wireless chips. Silabs has some interesting chips as well.
A copy of the ARRL Handbook?
Charlie
I have that, too.
Radio Amateurs Handbook, 1981
ARRL Handbook, 1999
...Jim Thompson
[/quote]
The pre-1990 ones had more construction info. I have about half a dozen.
Cheers
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| JosephKK... |
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On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 11:24:12 -0600, "Jon Slaughter"
<Jon_Slaughter at (no spam) Hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]I'm looking for a tutorial/introduction/book on wireless comm circuits. Not
something advanced but not something for retards. Something like AOE for
wirelss comm. I don't care really too much about all the theory at this
point but just want the basics along with the basics of circuit design and
antenna design. I'm not looking to be an expert but just have some
confidence when designing simple wireless circuits and understand the major
issues involved. I don't like to follow datasheet's circuit examples or
other found on the internet unless I have a decent understanding of what is
going on. Like why the balun or why did they use this value capacitor,
etc... In that case I know it has something to do with impedence matching
with the antenna and/or filtering.
I know the general idea of radiating power from an antenna but I need a bit
more practical theory(but not something for hardcore as I won't be getting
hard core into it) and a bit of how it actually works in the real world.
(Again, like AOE but for wireless)
Ultimately I'll be using an IC that does almost all the stuff needed
internally so it's not necessary but I'll feel more comfortable about it if
I have some idea what is really going on.
What I don't want, for example, is where they solve maxwell's equations for
a monopole antenna to show the electric field value at some arbitrary point.
I could really careless at this point about that kinda stuff(not saying it's
important but that is not my goal). I don't mind the result being shown but
just care about a page of equations that really won't make me understand the
real world application any better. The final equation might but I don't
wanna wade through all of the intermediate steps to get there.
In some ways it sounds like you want a current ARRL handbook. Or[/quote]
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