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| Zinnic... |
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On Nov 5, 3:52 am, "Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
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[quote]"Zinnic" <zeenr... at (no spam) gate.net> wrote in message
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On Nov 4, 4:49 am, "Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
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On Nov 3, 5:25 pm, "Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
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A thought. It's spirit, right? I mean, you can't touch it or take
hold
of it, except in a spritual way, right?
O.K.
What is spirit? Does it exist?
What do you mean by spirit?
I asked you first.
If you don't know, you just don't know.
Fair point. I suppose spirit is like consciousness? But without a body
needing to sustain it, i.e. can transcend the material world.
I am trying to find out what others visualize whenever they encounter
that term, in order to broaden my own understanding of it.
Are you a spirit?
If I looked at you in your eyes I bet I would see your very soul.
That, too, is spirit, right?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The 'material' of the material world is proven to be energy. The gap
between references of spiritual to material is diminishing.
=Certainly seems so. There is also the idea of 'emergent properties'. This
is a feature of something which is beyond the sum of its parts. When a
certain level of complexity is acheived then some new property can emerge,
perhaps on a completely different level or type to what it emerges from..
Consciousness exists, as we all experience, and may be such an emergent
property from the underlying complexity of the brain/body, but goes beyond
the material, as it certainly seems. The body itself partakes of various
emergent properties itself. It is alive, which is a property that arises
from matter of a certain complexity of structure. And bodies of the macro
variety seem to be emergent properties of the underlying quantum structure
of the universe, which is random and 'weird', for us big things at least.
And even the quantum world is, as you say, could well be an emergent
property of energy, in a sense. Who knows how far this heirachy of
emergent
porperties goes 'down' or 'up' in the scale of things. Surely
culture/language is an emergent property of human-beings interacting.
Civilisation emergent from that, science, etc.- Hide quoted text -
Bear in mind that the "sum of its parts" excludes the emergent
possibilities of the "multiple of its parts" or the "calculus of its
parts" that also describe the interactions of parts of complex
systems.
=Not sure what you mean?- Hide quoted text -
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Interaction is more powerful than addition.
10 +10 =20: 10^10 = 10,000,000,000. |
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| Errol... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:42 am |
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On Nov 5, 1:20 pm, Zinnic <zeenr... at (no spam) gate.net> wrote:
[quote]=Not sure what you mean?- Hide quoted text -
Interaction is more powerful than addition.
10 +10 =20: 10^10 = 10,000,000,000.- Hide quoted text -
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Sorry! I thought your first posting was SARCASM  |
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| Giga... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:52 am |
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"Zinnic" <zeenric2 at (no spam) gate.net> wrote in message
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On Nov 4, 4:49 am, "Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
ho... at (no spam) yahoo.co> wrote:
[quote]bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 3, 5:25 pm, "Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
ho... at (no spam) yahoo.co> wrote:
"Mark Earnest" <gmearn... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)ho... at (no spam) yahoo.co> wrote
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A thought. It's spirit, right? I mean, you can't touch it or take
hold
of it, except in a spritual way, right?
O.K.
What is spirit? Does it exist?
What do you mean by spirit?
I asked you first.
If you don't know, you just don't know.
Fair point. I suppose spirit is like consciousness? But without a body
needing to sustain it, i.e. can transcend the material world.
I am trying to find out what others visualize whenever they encounter
that term, in order to broaden my own understanding of it.
Are you a spirit?
If I looked at you in your eyes I bet I would see your very soul.
That, too, is spirit, right?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The 'material' of the material world is proven to be energy. The gap
between references of spiritual to material is diminishing.
=Certainly seems so. There is also the idea of 'emergent properties'. This
is a feature of something which is beyond the sum of its parts. When a
certain level of complexity is acheived then some new property can emerge,
perhaps on a completely different level or type to what it emerges from.
Consciousness exists, as we all experience, and may be such an emergent
property from the underlying complexity of the brain/body, but goes beyond
the material, as it certainly seems. The body itself partakes of various
emergent properties itself. It is alive, which is a property that arises
from matter of a certain complexity of structure. And bodies of the macro
variety seem to be emergent properties of the underlying quantum structure
of the universe, which is random and 'weird', for us big things at least.
And even the quantum world is, as you say, could well be an emergent
property of energy, in a sense. Who knows how far this heirachy of
emergent
porperties goes 'down' or 'up' in the scale of things. Surely
culture/language is an emergent property of human-beings interacting.
Civilisation emergent from that, science, etc.- Hide quoted text -
Bear in mind that the "sum of its parts" excludes the emergent[/quote]
possibilities of the "multiple of its parts" or the "calculus of its
parts" that also describe the interactions of parts of complex
systems.
=Not sure what you mean? |
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| Giga... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:00 am |
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"Errol" <vs.errol at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 5, 11:52 am, "Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
ho... at (no spam) yahoo.co> wrote:
[quote]"Zinnic" <zeenr... at (no spam) gate.net> wrote in message
news:7ccddac0-3f40-4dc1-9bbb-b39ead6dda76 at (no spam) o10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 4, 4:49 am, "Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
ho... at (no spam) yahoo.co> wrote:
bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9e01a60f-661e-44d8-8c4d-b6f6a7ecf307 at (no spam) h14g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 3, 5:25 pm, "Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
ho... at (no spam) yahoo.co> wrote:
"Mark Earnest" <gmearn... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:gtSdnZy3lJgZCHLXnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d at (no spam) posted.internetamerica...
"Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)ho... at (no spam) yahoo.co
wrote
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messagenews:y9qdnZpEqOfvLHPXnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d at (no spam) giganews.com...
"Mark Earnest" <gmearn... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44adnV0yNPvxx3PXnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d at (no spam) posted.internetamerica...
A thought. It's spirit, right? I mean, you can't touch it or take
hold
of it, except in a spritual way, right?
O.K.
What is spirit? Does it exist?
What do you mean by spirit?
I asked you first.
If you don't know, you just don't know.
Fair point. I suppose spirit is like consciousness? But without a body
needing to sustain it, i.e. can transcend the material world.
I am trying to find out what others visualize whenever they
encounter
that term, in order to broaden my own understanding of it.
Are you a spirit?
If I looked at you in your eyes I bet I would see your very soul.
That, too, is spirit, right?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The 'material' of the material world is proven to be energy. The gap
between references of spiritual to material is diminishing.
=Certainly seems so. There is also the idea of 'emergent properties'.
This
is a feature of something which is beyond the sum of its parts. When a
certain level of complexity is acheived then some new property can
emerge,
perhaps on a completely different level or type to what it emerges from.
Consciousness exists, as we all experience, and may be such an emergent
property from the underlying complexity of the brain/body, but goes
beyond
the material, as it certainly seems. The body itself partakes of various
emergent properties itself. It is alive, which is a property that arises
from matter of a certain complexity of structure. And bodies of the
macro
variety seem to be emergent properties of the underlying quantum
structure
of the universe, which is random and 'weird', for us big things at
least.
And even the quantum world is, as you say, could well be an emergent
property of energy, in a sense. Who knows how far this heirachy of
emergent
porperties goes 'down' or 'up' in the scale of things. Surely
culture/language is an emergent property of human-beings interacting.
Civilisation emergent from that, science, etc.- Hide quoted text -
Bear in mind that the "sum of its parts" excludes the emergent
possibilities of the "multiple of its parts" or the "calculus of its
parts" that also describe the interactions of parts of complex
systems.
=Not sure what you mean?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
[/quote]
The division of it's parts would yield CRAM ASS
=That doesn't help my understanding much!? |
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| Giga... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:01 am |
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"Zinnic" <zeenric2 at (no spam) gate.net> wrote in message
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On Nov 5, 3:52 am, "Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
ho... at (no spam) yahoo.co> wrote:
[quote]"Zinnic" <zeenr... at (no spam) gate.net> wrote in message
news:7ccddac0-3f40-4dc1-9bbb-b39ead6dda76 at (no spam) o10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 4, 4:49 am, "Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
ho... at (no spam) yahoo.co> wrote:
bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9e01a60f-661e-44d8-8c4d-b6f6a7ecf307 at (no spam) h14g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 3, 5:25 pm, "Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
ho... at (no spam) yahoo.co> wrote:
"Mark Earnest" <gmearn... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:gtSdnZy3lJgZCHLXnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d at (no spam) posted.internetamerica...
"Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)ho... at (no spam) yahoo.co
wrote
in
messagenews:y9qdnZpEqOfvLHPXnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d at (no spam) giganews.com...
"Mark Earnest" <gmearn... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44adnV0yNPvxx3PXnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d at (no spam) posted.internetamerica...
A thought. It's spirit, right? I mean, you can't touch it or take
hold
of it, except in a spritual way, right?
O.K.
What is spirit? Does it exist?
What do you mean by spirit?
I asked you first.
If you don't know, you just don't know.
Fair point. I suppose spirit is like consciousness? But without a body
needing to sustain it, i.e. can transcend the material world.
I am trying to find out what others visualize whenever they
encounter
that term, in order to broaden my own understanding of it.
Are you a spirit?
If I looked at you in your eyes I bet I would see your very soul.
That, too, is spirit, right?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The 'material' of the material world is proven to be energy. The gap
between references of spiritual to material is diminishing.
=Certainly seems so. There is also the idea of 'emergent properties'.
This
is a feature of something which is beyond the sum of its parts. When a
certain level of complexity is acheived then some new property can
emerge,
perhaps on a completely different level or type to what it emerges from.
Consciousness exists, as we all experience, and may be such an emergent
property from the underlying complexity of the brain/body, but goes
beyond
the material, as it certainly seems. The body itself partakes of various
emergent properties itself. It is alive, which is a property that arises
from matter of a certain complexity of structure. And bodies of the
macro
variety seem to be emergent properties of the underlying quantum
structure
of the universe, which is random and 'weird', for us big things at
least.
And even the quantum world is, as you say, could well be an emergent
property of energy, in a sense. Who knows how far this heirachy of
emergent
porperties goes 'down' or 'up' in the scale of things. Surely
culture/language is an emergent property of human-beings interacting.
Civilisation emergent from that, science, etc.- Hide quoted text -
Bear in mind that the "sum of its parts" excludes the emergent
possibilities of the "multiple of its parts" or the "calculus of its
parts" that also describe the interactions of parts of complex
systems.
=Not sure what you mean?- Hide quoted text -
[/quote]
Interaction is more powerful than addition.
10 +10 =20: 10^10 = 10,000,000,000.
=Right, I see, I think an emergent property probably does come about through
some kind of interaction, often with some feedback element. |
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| Errol... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:14 pm |
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On Nov 5, 5:00 pm, "Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
ho... at (no spam) yahoo.co> wrote:
[quote]"Errol" <vs.er... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0cfd0080-f955-4007-affd-25d81df9fe1f at (no spam) b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 5, 11:52 am, "Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
ho... at (no spam) yahoo.co> wrote:
"Zinnic" <zeenr... at (no spam) gate.net> wrote in message
news:7ccddac0-3f40-4dc1-9bbb-b39ead6dda76 at (no spam) o10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com....
On Nov 4, 4:49 am, "Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
ho... at (no spam) yahoo.co> wrote:
bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9e01a60f-661e-44d8-8c4d-b6f6a7ecf307 at (no spam) h14g2000pri.googlegroups.com....
On Nov 3, 5:25 pm, "Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
ho... at (no spam) yahoo.co> wrote:
"Mark Earnest" <gmearn... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:gtSdnZy3lJgZCHLXnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d at (no spam) posted.internetamerica...
"Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)ho... at (no spam) yahoo.co
wrote
in
messagenews:y9qdnZpEqOfvLHPXnZ2dnUVZ_oKdnZ2d at (no spam) giganews.com...
"Mark Earnest" <gmearn... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44adnV0yNPvxx3PXnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d at (no spam) posted.internetamerica...
A thought. It's spirit, right? I mean, you can't touch it or take
hold
of it, except in a spritual way, right?
O.K.
What is spirit? Does it exist?
What do you mean by spirit?
I asked you first.
If you don't know, you just don't know.
Fair point. I suppose spirit is like consciousness? But without a body
needing to sustain it, i.e. can transcend the material world.
I am trying to find out what others visualize whenever they
encounter
that term, in order to broaden my own understanding of it.
Are you a spirit?
If I looked at you in your eyes I bet I would see your very soul.
That, too, is spirit, right?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The 'material' of the material world is proven to be energy. The gap
between references of spiritual to material is diminishing.
=Certainly seems so. There is also the idea of 'emergent properties'.
This
is a feature of something which is beyond the sum of its parts. When a
certain level of complexity is acheived then some new property can
emerge,
perhaps on a completely different level or type to what it emerges from.
Consciousness exists, as we all experience, and may be such an emergent
property from the underlying complexity of the brain/body, but goes
beyond
the material, as it certainly seems. The body itself partakes of various
emergent properties itself. It is alive, which is a property that arises
from matter of a certain complexity of structure. And bodies of the
macro
variety seem to be emergent properties of the underlying quantum
structure
of the universe, which is random and 'weird', for us big things at
least.
And even the quantum world is, as you say, could well be an emergent
property of energy, in a sense. Who knows how far this heirachy of
emergent
porperties goes 'down' or 'up' in the scale of things. Surely
culture/language is an emergent property of human-beings interacting.
Civilisation emergent from that, science, etc.- Hide quoted text -
Bear in mind that the "sum of its parts" excludes the emergent
possibilities of the "multiple of its parts" or the "calculus of its
parts" that also describe the interactions of parts of complex
systems.
=Not sure what you mean?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The division of it's parts would yield CRAM ASS
=That doesn't help my understanding much!?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
[/quote]
Sorry! that was just a joke. I thought Zinnic was using SARCASM |
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| Zinnic... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 3:29 am |
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On Nov 6, 3:27 am, "Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
ho... at (no spam) yahoo.co> wrote:
[quote]"Errol" <vs.er... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 5, 5:00 pm, "Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
ho... at (no spam) yahoo.co> wrote:
"Errol" <vs.er... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0cfd0080-f955-4007-affd-25d81df9fe1f at (no spam) b2g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 5, 11:52 am, "Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
ho... at (no spam) yahoo.co> wrote:
"Zinnic" <zeenr... at (no spam) gate.net> wrote in message
news:7ccddac0-3f40-4dc1-9bbb-b39ead6dda76 at (no spam) o10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com....
On Nov 4, 4:49 am, "Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
ho... at (no spam) yahoo.co> wrote:
bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9e01a60f-661e-44d8-8c4d-b6f6a7ecf307 at (no spam) h14g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 3, 5:25 pm, "Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
ho... at (no spam) yahoo.co> wrote:
"Mark Earnest" <gmearn... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:gtSdnZy3lJgZCHLXnZ2dnUVZ_jCdnZ2d at (no spam) posted.internetamerica...
"Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)ho... at (no spam) yahoo.co
wrote
in
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"Mark Earnest" <gmearn... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:44adnV0yNPvxx3PXnZ2dnUVZ_q2dnZ2d at (no spam) posted.internetamerica...
A thought. It's spirit, right? I mean, you can't touch it or take
hold
of it, except in a spritual way, right?
O.K.
What is spirit? Does it exist?
What do you mean by spirit?
I asked you first.
If you don't know, you just don't know.
Fair point. I suppose spirit is like consciousness? But without a
body
needing to sustain it, i.e. can transcend the material world.
I am trying to find out what others visualize whenever they
encounter
that term, in order to broaden my own understanding of it.
Are you a spirit?
If I looked at you in your eyes I bet I would see your very
soul.
That, too, is spirit, right?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The 'material' of the material world is proven to be energy. The gap
between references of spiritual to material is diminishing.
=Certainly seems so. There is also the idea of 'emergent properties'.
This
is a feature of something which is beyond the sum of its parts. When a
certain level of complexity is acheived then some new property can
emerge,
perhaps on a completely different level or type to what it emerges
from.
Consciousness exists, as we all experience, and may be such an
emergent
property from the underlying complexity of the brain/body, but goes
beyond
the material, as it certainly seems. The body itself partakes of
various
emergent properties itself. It is alive, which is a property that
arises
from matter of a certain complexity of structure. And bodies of the
macro
variety seem to be emergent properties of the underlying quantum
structure
of the universe, which is random and 'weird', for us big things at
least.
And even the quantum world is, as you say, could well be an emergent
property of energy, in a sense. Who knows how far this heirachy of
emergent
porperties goes 'down' or 'up' in the scale of things. Surely
culture/language is an emergent property of human-beings interacting.
Civilisation emergent from that, science, etc.- Hide quoted text -
Bear in mind that the "sum of its parts" excludes the emergent
possibilities of the "multiple of its parts" or the "calculus of its
parts" that also describe the interactions of parts of complex
systems.
=Not sure what you mean?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The division of it's parts would yield CRAM ASS
=That doesn't help my understanding much!?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Sorry! that was just a joke. I thought Zinnic was using SARCASM
=Ah, OK, got it! : )- Hide quoted text -
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I am still unable to anal-yse it! |
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On Nov 5, 5:00 pm, "Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
ho... at (no spam) yahoo.co> wrote:
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A thought. It's spirit, right? I mean, you can't touch it or take
hold
of it, except in a spritual way, right?
O.K.
What is spirit? Does it exist?
What do you mean by spirit?
I asked you first.
If you don't know, you just don't know.
Fair point. I suppose spirit is like consciousness? But without a
body
needing to sustain it, i.e. can transcend the material world.
I am trying to find out what others visualize whenever they
encounter
that term, in order to broaden my own understanding of it.
Are you a spirit?
If I looked at you in your eyes I bet I would see your very
soul.
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The 'material' of the material world is proven to be energy. The gap
between references of spiritual to material is diminishing.
=Certainly seems so. There is also the idea of 'emergent properties'.
This
is a feature of something which is beyond the sum of its parts. When a
certain level of complexity is acheived then some new property can
emerge,
perhaps on a completely different level or type to what it emerges
from.
Consciousness exists, as we all experience, and may be such an
emergent
property from the underlying complexity of the brain/body, but goes
beyond
the material, as it certainly seems. The body itself partakes of
various
emergent properties itself. It is alive, which is a property that
arises
from matter of a certain complexity of structure. And bodies of the
macro
variety seem to be emergent properties of the underlying quantum
structure
of the universe, which is random and 'weird', for us big things at
least.
And even the quantum world is, as you say, could well be an emergent
property of energy, in a sense. Who knows how far this heirachy of
emergent
porperties goes 'down' or 'up' in the scale of things. Surely
culture/language is an emergent property of human-beings interacting.
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Bear in mind that the "sum of its parts" excludes the emergent
possibilities of the "multiple of its parts" or the "calculus of its
parts" that also describe the interactions of parts of complex
systems.
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The division of it's parts would yield CRAM ASS
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Sorry! that was just a joke. I thought Zinnic was using SARCASM
=Ah, OK, got it! : ) |
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