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| Mike Painter... |
 Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:38 am |
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5265 Dead, 398 since 1/20/09 wrote:
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Yup. Happy 7904! We're having Christian Baby for Samhain dinner.
Thought I would try deep-frying it this year.
Don't forget to batter it first.
Thanks. We had been wondering how to keep the stuffing moist.
Children are best battered.
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Umm, you do know that they don't come stuffed? |
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| Zinnic... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:58 am |
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On Nov 1, 7:01 pm, Pastor Dave <ananias917_ at (no spam) _gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 12:37:38 -0800 (PST), Michael Gordge
mikegor... at (no spam) xtra.co.nz> spake thusly:
Suicidal atheist converts to Christ
Oh fuck, another suicide bomber.
Not too bright, huh? Suicide bombers, as in 9/11,
were not Christians. Nor were the others ones.
You know, the Japanese.
But hey, what do you care about facts, when you've
got insults to toss around and Christians to attack,
while hypocritically falsely attributing suicidal attacks
to them?
Gee, what great, honest people you atheists are!
I bet you wanted to be just like this when you
grew up, from the time you were a boy, huh?!
chuckle
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Get a grip Pastor Dave, check out the first post in this thread. A[/quote]
Christian bad-mouthing atheists and atheism! |
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| 5265 Dead, 398 since 1/20/09... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:07 am |
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On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:38:41 -0800, Mike Painter wrote:
[quote]5265 Dead, 398 since 1/20/09 wrote:
Yup. Happy 7904! We're having Christian Baby for Samhain dinner.
Thought I would try deep-frying it this year.
Don't forget to batter it first.
Thanks. We had been wondering how to keep the stuffing moist. Children
are best battered.
Umm, you do know that they don't come stuffed?
[/quote]
Oh, we're getting an American baby. They come pre-stuffed. Corn-fed.
Excellent marbelling. |
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| 5265 Dead, 398 since 1/20/09... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:09 am |
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On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 21:56:27 -0800, Michael Gordge wrote:
[quote]On Nov 2, 11:58Â am, "5265 Dead, 398 since 1/20/09" <d... at (no spam) dead.com
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Pastor Dave is right. Â Christians don't die for their beliefs, never
have.
What if your god appeared one day and said "hi numbskull my name really
is allah"?
MG
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That would come as a bit of a surprise, since I don't have a god. I
imagine it would be a bit like having a cat that ran off in 1981 suddenly
show up at my doorstep. |
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| Robibnikoff... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:42 am |
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"Mike Painter" <md.painter at (no spam) sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:yfuHm.1941$n02.664 at (no spam) newsfe11.iad...
[quote]5265 Dead, 398 since 1/20/09 wrote:
Yup. Happy 7904! We're having Christian Baby for Samhain dinner.
Thought I would try deep-frying it this year.
Don't forget to batter it first.
Thanks. We had been wondering how to keep the stuffing moist.
Children are best battered.
Umm, you do know that they don't come stuffed?
[/quote]
Hooo, learned that one year the hard way! How embarassing 
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight
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| tirebiter... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:12 am |
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On Nov 1, 9:52 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum... at (no spam) dcemail.com>
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[quote]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2322160/posts
Suicidal atheist converts to Christ
I have read many of these supposed letters by "former atheists" and[/quote]
this one has to be the worst one yet.
Of course, it is pretty hard to actually find a "former atheist", so
the fundamentalist christians have to invent their version of what
such a person would be like.
It ends up being another mirror on their psyche that shows their own
self doubt. Not just the weirded out content, but the fact that they
feel there is any benefit in attempting this deception, regardless of
how poorly it was executed.
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| tirebiter... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:21 am |
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On Nov 1, 11:28 am, Enkidu <enk... at (no spam) nogodhere.net> wrote:
[quote]Sound of Trumpet wrote:
Suicidal atheist converts to Christ
Yo! Trumpy! You miss the entire point of atheism. We don't care if
Chrisitanity makes people feel better, live happier lives, be nicer to
each other, etc., until we first ask if it is a true description of the
universe.
[/quote]
Quite so. I was on another forum for a long time with a man whose
wife died of cancer during that period, and he told about the
christians who would actually barge in to his house, unannounced and
uninvited, and try to convert her. After she died, many of the
christians lied that they knew she had repented and was therefore in
heaven.
He essentially summed up this whole experience in this fortune
cookieish statement. "It is better to accept a reality that hurts
than a fantasy that feels good".
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| Pastor Dave... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:24 am |
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On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:58:21 -0600, "5265 Dead, 398 since
1/20/09" <dead at (no spam) dead.com> spake thusly:
[quote]On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:01:54 -0500, Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 12:37:38 -0800 (PST), Michael Gordge
mikegordge at (no spam) xtra.co.nz> spake thusly:
Suicidal atheist converts to Christ
Oh fuck, another suicide bomber.
Not too bright, huh? Suicide bombers, as in 9/11, were not Christians.
Nor were the others ones. You know, the Japanese.
But hey, what do you care about facts, when you've got insults to toss
around and Christians to attack, while hypocritically falsely
attributing suicidal attacks to them?
Gee, what great, honest people you atheists are! I bet you wanted to be
just like this when you grew up, from the time you were a boy, huh?!
chuckle
Pastor Dave is right. Christians don't die for their beliefs, never have.
[/quote]
Does telling another lie somehow erase the one
that Michael told?
There are plenty more examples, but have you
ever heard of the 1st century?
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Pastor Dave
The following is part of my auto-rotating
sig file and not part of the message body.
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly that this great nation
was founded... by Christians... not on religions, but on
the Gospel of Jesus Christ." - Patrick Henry |
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| Giga... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:49 am |
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Atheism inescapably leads to naturalism, and from naturalism follows
atheism’s great skeleton which its followers try to keep
hidden; determinism.
=Not necessarily. Often an atheist/agnostic position but not a part of it.
Also just because atheism has nasty consequences does not mean it is untrue.
Determinism is inescapable if one is a naturalist, as all that exists
is material and has come about by purely natural
processes.
This means then, that the mind of man, our greatest treasure, is
reducible to material bound by physical laws; namely, our
thoughts, feelings, and actions are reducible to reactions of
chemicals in the brain.
Few people realize, then, that this destroys all that makes us human.
Namely; if our thoughts, feelings, and actions are
simply chemical reactions in the brain, those reactions are simply the
by-products of prior reactions forming an unbreakable
chain which leads to the very beginning of the universe.
This means then, that whatever we do, we do because we have to. We
cannot do anything other than what we do, it simply isn’t
possible.
All actions are the result of prior actions in an unbreakable chain.
We are no different than a cog in a watch or a falling
domino.
… atheism is utterly horrific! Sadly, most atheists are unaware of
these things! I believe if they truly understood the
consequences of what they believed, they would reconsider their
position.
There is no difference between the embrace of a loving husband and the
violence of a vicious rapist, the actions of a doctor
trying to save a life and the mass murderer who kills at whim, the
actions of our greatest leaders and the inaction of a lazy
sluggard.
Both are totally the same in atheism.
Objective meaning is non-existent, and subjective meaning is
incoherent! Would we say the action of a robot picking up a
glass bottle has any meaning, value, or significance? Of course not!
It’s simply doing what it has to! It can do nothing
else!
In what sense can an atheist say that he as a person truly exists? The
material which composes our body is recycled every
seven years, and our consciousness seems to cease every time we go to
bed. So in what sense is the mass of matter that wakes
up in the morning the same person as the one who went to bed the night
before?
As you can see, atheism is utterly horrific! Sadly, most atheists are
unaware of these things! I believe if they truly
understood the consequences of what they believed, they would
reconsider their position.
I know I did,
God bless.
Justin S., United States
A tragic outcome
At around the same time as we received the above, a supporter
requesting anonymity sent a very poignant email, quite
independently. It concerned a very recent, real event that happened in
a southern part of Australia, where a 16-year-old he
knew well, whom he has called Tom for anonymity, actually did take his
own life. The supporter wrote (edited for clarity):
Tom purposefully stepped in front of a large truck. Not many know
that. Recently he wrote a letter about his feelings. I
don’t know all the details. I didn’t want to quiz his mother; she is
so fragile at the moment. However I do know that he
wrote about the pointlessness of life using words along the line of
—“What’s it all about? Shouldn’t life be more than just
struggle, strife and money?” Tom was not a Christian, and would have
certainly been brought up with the full evolutionary
scene at school.
As she told me this, it took me back to the CMI articles I had read
and talks I had heard which talked about such things, and
how it is affecting so many young people. Without the absolute truth
of the gospel, the reality of an originally good world,
ruined by sin but awaiting restoration through Christ, there’s nothing
left but “Life’s a pain and then you die.” So if
you’re overwhelmed by feelings of hopelessness and despair, if you’re
nothing but rearranged slime on a pond, suicide can
seem the most rational option.
Tom’s parents’ marriage had failed. He was living with his father, a
long way from his mother.
It made me think so much of CMI’s message. If this is God’s created
world, then He made us, owns us, and cares for each of us
so much He paid the dreadful penalty due to us. We can be forgiven our
sins and lay our burdens upon Him, as He says. However
if we inhabit some naturalistic evolved, dog-eat-dog world then
“What’s it all about, Alfie?”
If you are physically successful then there is a buffer. Crying in
your Porsche sure beats doing it on a bus! But what if it
isn’t happening for you, what if you are young with no one you can
turn to for comfort? What if your father has married again
and is more involved with himself, and his new life, than you? What if
your mother is too far away to hug? What if you are
too young to have friends who have been battered a little by life and
have become aware of the suffering of others and soft
enough to care?
What’s it all about? I suppose he came to that point where death was
more appealing than his empty, Godless,
grab-what-you-can existence.
Too late now to talk to him of Jesus’ loving, forgiving, sustaining
arms! |
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| tirebiter... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:54 am |
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On Nov 1, 2:15 pm, gabriel <gabriel_bapt... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On 1 Nov 2009 16:28:17 GMT, Enkidu <enk... at (no spam) nogodhere.net> wrote:
: Sound of Trumpet wrote:
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: > Suicidal atheist converts to Christ
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: Yo! Trumpy! You miss the entire point of atheism. We don't care if
: Chrisitanity makes people feel better, live happier lives, be nicer to
: each other, etc., until we first ask if it is a true description of the
: universe.
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: Our primary concern is "IS CHRISTANITY TRUE?" If it is, living is a
: universe you understand is always the best choice for the thinking man.
: And of course, if Christianity is false, it's better to know that
: as well.
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: So enough with the consequences of belief or disbelief. Give us some
: evidence that what you believe is actually true.
If you saw a building, and someone said that's proof of a builder
(even though none of you ever saw a building being built, nor
ever met a builder), would you also say "give us some evidence
that what you believe is actually true?" Of course not. There's
no threat in admitting the obvious that a building is not just
evidence, but proof of a builder, because you have no
accountability to a builder. But as soon as it's admitting even
more logically how creation is proof of a creator - life itself,
even a single cell, all proof of a creator - logic takes a back
seat and they ask for more evidence while already ignoring the
proof right under their noses. =(
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How trite.
This well worn homily has absolutely no basis for comparing a provable
scenario that exists in reality, to an unprovable myth.
You invent a scenario where the observer might be inclined to ask a
question (regarding building's builder) and then provide your own
response by saying the question wouldn't be asked. Even if the
observer had never seen any building before.
And suppose you're wrong with your flippant "of course not" retort?
What if the observer demands proof of the builder. Well, his/her
question could be answered by actually, physically meeting the builder
in person. Of if the builder is dead, showing blueprints, building
permits, purchasing of materials, and many many other factual evidence
of the building's origins.
Not only can you not do this with your shoehorned claim of a creator,
but you can't even reconcile how this claim fails to match up with how
the evidence in reality tests out.
You've got much more on your plate than just proving that missing link
between claim and proof. You have to explain how your claim is so
completely disproved by reality but somehow is still correct.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:59 am |
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On Nov 1, 2:39 pm, Uncle Vic <vic... at (no spam) inreach.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 1, 6:52 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum... at (no spam) dcemail.com
wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2322160/posts
Suicidal atheist converts to Christ
Some people need crutches. Atheism is not for everyone...
--
Uncle Vic
AA#2011
[/quote]
Yes. I've had conversations with fundamentalist christians where they
paint themselves into a corner by claiming moral (or ethical) behavior
is only possible with the risk of supernatural judgement. When asked
if they'd resort to theft, rape, murder, et al, if they stopped
believing in their god, some have actually admitted they would.
My usual reply to them is, well by all means, please do not stop
believing in your god, if that is the only thing that's keeping you
from being the lead story on the 6 o'clock news.
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| Sanity's Little Helper... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:05 am |
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It is an ancient Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrumpet at (no spam) dcemail.com>, and he
posteth:
[quote]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2322160/posts
Suicidal atheist converts to Christ
CMI ^ | August 22, 2009
Posted on 22. august 2009 20:53:32 by GodGunsGuts
After our article on atheism was published (creation.com/atheism), a
former atheist wrote to tell of how he came to faith in
Christ. Following that is a poignant email received in the same time
period about a young man who sadly did take his own
life.
Dear CMI,
I cannot express my gratitude in words. I became a Christian three
years ago after struggling with thoughts of suicide due to
my atheistic beliefs.
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There is no such thing as "atheistic beliefs", atheism is an acceptance of
fact, and a call for evidence, which theists are consistently unable and
unwilling to provide.
Atheism doesn't make a person suicidal, atheism gives life added
importance. Foxholes exist because, when push comes to shove, everybody is
an atheist. If people believed in God, they wouldn't need to hide from
their enemies, because death would be at his discretion, and if it were his
will, he would protect them from harm. That's why it is only possible to be
a suicide bomber if you believe in God.
--
David Silverman
aa #2208
Defender of Civilisation
"Christian" (n). A person who views insulting non-Christians as a sacred
duity, and any response as persecution
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:06 am |
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On Nov 1, 3:03 pm, Mitchell Holman <noem... at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
[quote]gabriel <gabriel_bapt... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote innews:o6nre5dbrbei7b6rboui854prlu8dkttgi at (no spam) 4ax.com:
Romans 1:17-22 KJV For therein is the righteousness of God
revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall
live by faith. 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven
against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold
[suppress] the truth in unrighteousness;
"I am the one the LORD sent to anoint you king over his people
Israel; so listen now to the message from the LORD. Now go,
attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that
belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women,
children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys."
1 Samuel 15
That is the God you are worshipping?
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And it gets "better?". This alleged god actually gets mad at Saul for
showing the tiniest iota of mercy to the Amalekites.
The bronze age nomads that invented this god were real bastards.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:08 am |
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On Nov 1, 4:09 pm, "Steve O" <nos... at (no spam) here.thanks> wrote:
[quote]Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2322160/posts
Suicidal atheist converts to Christ
CMI ^ | August 22, 2009
Posted on 22. august 2009 20:53:32 by GodGunsGuts
After our article on atheism was published (creation.com/atheism), a
former atheist wrote to tell of how he came to faith in
Christ. Following that is a poignant email received in the same time
period about a young man who sadly did take his own
life.
Dear CMI,
I cannot express my gratitude in words. I became a Christian three
years ago after struggling with thoughts of suicide due to
my atheistic beliefs.
Your ministry truly saved my life.
I was raised in a secular home, and surrounded by atheistic propaganda
from an early age, whether it be from school or the
media. Unsurprisingly, I became an atheist at the age of 12.
Bzzt!
Point of order here, I don't think the writer is telling the truth.
If he was rasied in a secular home, surrounded by atheistic propaganda, then
why would he
become an atheist at 12?
He'd have been an atheist from the start, surely?
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Yes, every "Letter to Penthouse" has rung more true than this poorly
concocted "atheist".
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| tirebiter... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:27 am |
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On Nov 2, 11:13 am, Phlip <phlip2... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]tirebiter wrote:
> Yes. I've had conversations with fundamentalist christians where they
> paint themselves into a corner by claiming moral (or ethical) behavior
> is only possible with the risk of supernatural judgement. When asked
> if they'd resort to theft, rape, murder, et al, if they stopped
> believing in their god, some have actually admitted they would.
What an awesome way to state it - Thanks!
Those people didn't go "solipsistic" because they honestly feel the urge to kill
- they did it because the corner they painted themselves into was they think
they must witness by any means necessary. Including lying!
Yes, that is my take on them too, otherwise I'd notify authorities of[/quote]
the potential risk they admit they pose to society.
Is lying for your belief system an acceptable means to an end?
Doesn't it actually damage the fundamentalists position beyond
repair? Why can't they admit that a person can be law abiding, or
even altruistic and charitable without requiring the worry of
supernatural judgement? And as far as that goes, what benefit is it
to this god if someone ONLY behaves "morally" out of the fear of
judgement?
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