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Suicidal atheist converts to Christ
CMI ^ | August 22, 2009
Posted on 22. august 2009 20:53:32 by GodGunsGuts
After our article on atheism was published (creation.com/atheism), a
former atheist wrote to tell of how he came to faith in
Christ. Following that is a poignant email received in the same time
period about a young man who sadly did take his own
life.
Dear CMI,
I cannot express my gratitude in words. I became a Christian three
years ago after struggling with thoughts of suicide due to
my atheistic beliefs.
Your ministry truly saved my life.
I was raised in a secular home, and surrounded by atheistic propaganda
from an early age, whether it be from school or the
media. Unsurprisingly, I became an atheist at the age of 12.
As the years passed and I truly tried to understand the world around
me, I discovered a horrifying truth that had been hidden
from me, hidden from everyone.
This is the reason I am writing this letter, as even in your excellent
articles on atheism, you do not truly reveal the
extent to which the atheists deceive everyone, even themselves.
As the years passed and I truly tried to understand the world around
me, I discovered a horrifying truth that had been hidden
from me, hidden from everyone.
Atheists often say that they can truly live a happy, fulfilling life.
Yet this is a lie, a deception which damns millions of
souls to darkness.
While you revealed much in your articles, you have not destroyed the
root.
Simply put, atheism destroys the possibility of personal identity,
choice, and objective and subjective meaning.
Atheism inescapably leads to naturalism, and from naturalism follows
atheism’s great skeleton which its followers try to keep
hidden; determinism.
Determinism is inescapable if one is a naturalist, as all that exists
is material and has come about by purely natural
processes.
This means then, that the mind of man, our greatest treasure, is
reducible to material bound by physical laws; namely, our
thoughts, feelings, and actions are reducible to reactions of
chemicals in the brain.
Few people realize, then, that this destroys all that makes us human.
Namely; if our thoughts, feelings, and actions are
simply chemical reactions in the brain, those reactions are simply the
by-products of prior reactions forming an unbreakable
chain which leads to the very beginning of the universe.
This means then, that whatever we do, we do because we have to. We
cannot do anything other than what we do, it simply isn’t
possible.
All actions are the result of prior actions in an unbreakable chain.
We are no different than a cog in a watch or a falling
domino.
… atheism is utterly horrific! Sadly, most atheists are unaware of
these things! I believe if they truly understood the
consequences of what they believed, they would reconsider their
position.
There is no difference between the embrace of a loving husband and the
violence of a vicious rapist, the actions of a doctor
trying to save a life and the mass murderer who kills at whim, the
actions of our greatest leaders and the inaction of a lazy
sluggard.
Both are totally the same in atheism.
Objective meaning is non-existent, and subjective meaning is
incoherent! Would we say the action of a robot picking up a
glass bottle has any meaning, value, or significance? Of course not!
It’s simply doing what it has to! It can do nothing
else!
In what sense can an atheist say that he as a person truly exists? The
material which composes our body is recycled every
seven years, and our consciousness seems to cease every time we go to
bed. So in what sense is the mass of matter that wakes
up in the morning the same person as the one who went to bed the night
before?
As you can see, atheism is utterly horrific! Sadly, most atheists are
unaware of these things! I believe if they truly
understood the consequences of what they believed, they would
reconsider their position.
I know I did,
God bless.
Justin S., United States
A tragic outcome
At around the same time as we received the above, a supporter
requesting anonymity sent a very poignant email, quite
independently. It concerned a very recent, real event that happened in
a southern part of Australia, where a 16-year-old he
knew well, whom he has called Tom for anonymity, actually did take his
own life. The supporter wrote (edited for clarity):
Tom purposefully stepped in front of a large truck. Not many know
that. Recently he wrote a letter about his feelings. I
don’t know all the details. I didn’t want to quiz his mother; she is
so fragile at the moment. However I do know that he
wrote about the pointlessness of life using words along the line of
—“What’s it all about? Shouldn’t life be more than just
struggle, strife and money?” Tom was not a Christian, and would have
certainly been brought up with the full evolutionary
scene at school.
As she told me this, it took me back to the CMI articles I had read
and talks I had heard which talked about such things, and
how it is affecting so many young people. Without the absolute truth
of the gospel, the reality of an originally good world,
ruined by sin but awaiting restoration through Christ, there’s nothing
left but “Life’s a pain and then you die.” So if
you’re overwhelmed by feelings of hopelessness and despair, if you’re
nothing but rearranged slime on a pond, suicide can
seem the most rational option.
Tom’s parents’ marriage had failed. He was living with his father, a
long way from his mother.
It made me think so much of CMI’s message. If this is God’s created
world, then He made us, owns us, and cares for each of us
so much He paid the dreadful penalty due to us. We can be forgiven our
sins and lay our burdens upon Him, as He says. However
if we inhabit some naturalistic evolved, dog-eat-dog world then
“What’s it all about, Alfie?”
If you are physically successful then there is a buffer. Crying in
your Porsche sure beats doing it on a bus! But what if it
isn’t happening for you, what if you are young with no one you can
turn to for comfort? What if your father has married again
and is more involved with himself, and his new life, than you? What if
your mother is too far away to hug? What if you are
too young to have friends who have been battered a little by life and
have become aware of the suffering of others and soft
enough to care?
What’s it all about? I suppose he came to that point where death was
more appealing than his empty, Godless,
grab-what-you-can existence.
Too late now to talk to him of Jesus’ loving, forgiving, sustaining
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On Nov 1, 10:36 am, "THE BORG" <b... at (no spam) gone.com> wrote:
[quote]... and your penis size is public news!!!
[/quote]
Accompanied by peals of laughter. Trust me, I'd heard them.
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On Nov 1, 8:31 am, "THE BORG" <b... at (no spam) gone.com> wrote:
[quote]Did he have his dingle dongle nipped, as we all know if you
go to Heaven, first thing is you get your pants pulled down
to make sure, and only if Mr Dingle Dongle has been nipped
does this PROVE, yes it PROVES beyond any shadow of doubt,
that indeed you love God.
[/quote]
There is no honor in preying upon the weak.
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On Nov 1, 6:52 am, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum... at (no spam) dcemail.com>
wrote:
[quote]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2322160/posts
Suicidal atheist converts to Christ
[/quote]
Some people need crutches. Atheism is not for everyone...
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Pounded Strumpets wrote:
[quote]http://www.freerepublic.com
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How's that failed political ideology working out for you?
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On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:52:16 -0800 (PST), Sound of Trumpet
<soundoftrumpet at (no spam) dcemail.com> wrote:
Must suck to be you that you need a deity to give meaning to your
life. Pathetic, really. |
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"raven1" <quoththeraven at (no spam) nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:bs9re5hl5rbccu13lgi161qdgcqjpog20p at (no spam) 4ax.com...
[quote]On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:52:16 -0800 (PST), Sound of Trumpet
soundoftrumpet at (no spam) dcemail.com> wrote:
Must suck to be you that you need a deity to give meaning
to your
life. Pathetic, really.
[/quote]
Some men need a WOMAN to give meaning to their lives.
Now that is a lot more pathetic!!!!
At least a deity is rumoured to have power and to know about
life and death.
What do women have?
Grab grab grab, take take take, and then you have no money,
can't see your kids and your penis size is public news!!!
Far better the man who believes in God than the man who
believes in woman.
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On Nov 1, 11:52 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum... at (no spam) dcemail.com>
wrote:
[quote]Suicidal atheist converts to Christ
[/quote]
Oh fuck, another suicide bomber.
MG |
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On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 15:36:39 -0000, "THE BORG" <borg at (no spam) gone.com> wrote:
[quote]
"raven1" <quoththeraven at (no spam) nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:bs9re5hl5rbccu13lgi161qdgcqjpog20p at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:52:16 -0800 (PST), Sound of Trumpet
soundoftrumpet at (no spam) dcemail.com> wrote:
Must suck to be you that you need a deity to give meaning
to your
life. Pathetic, really.
Some men need a WOMAN to give meaning to their lives.
Now that is a lot more pathetic!!!!
At least a deity is rumoured to have power and to know about
life and death.
What do women have?
Grab grab grab, take take take, and then you have no money,
can't see your kids and your penis size is public news!!!
Far better the man who believes in God than the man who
believes in woman.
THE BORG
[/quote]
TMI there.
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On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:36:39 +0000, THE BORG wrote:
[quote]"raven1" <quoththeraven at (no spam) nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:bs9re5hl5rbccu13lgi161qdgcqjpog20p at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:52:16 -0800 (PST), Sound of Trumpet
soundoftrumpet at (no spam) dcemail.com> wrote:
Must suck to be you that you need a deity to give meaning to your
life. Pathetic, really.
Some men need a WOMAN to give meaning to their lives. Now that is a lot
more pathetic!!!!
At least a deity is rumoured to have power and to know about life and
death.
What do women have?
Grab grab grab, take take take, and then you have no money, can't see
your kids and your penis size is public news!!! Far better the man who
believes in God than the man who believes in woman.
THE BORG
[/quote]
Couldn't get a date for New Year's again, huh?
Gee. Dats a shame. The human race would have benefitted greatly from
you reproducing. |
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"5258 Dead, 391 since 1/20/09" <dead at (no spam) dead.com> wrote in
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news:vZGdnVXIOOirLnDXnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d at (no spam) posted.carinet...
[quote]On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 15:36:39 +0000, THE BORG wrote:
"raven1" <quoththeraven at (no spam) nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:bs9re5hl5rbccu13lgi161qdgcqjpog20p at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:52:16 -0800 (PST), Sound of
Trumpet
soundoftrumpet at (no spam) dcemail.com> wrote:
Must suck to be you that you need a deity to give
meaning to your
life. Pathetic, really.
Some men need a WOMAN to give meaning to their lives. Now
that is a lot
more pathetic!!!!
At least a deity is rumoured to have power and to know
about life and
death.
What do women have?
Grab grab grab, take take take, and then you have no
money, can't see
your kids and your penis size is public news!!! Far
better the man who
believes in God than the man who believes in woman.
THE BORG
Couldn't get a date for New Year's again, huh?
Gee. Dats a shame. The human race would have benefitted
greatly from
you reproducing.
[/quote]
Benefited is spelt with one t.
We do not fornicate with woman as women defile men and make
them impure.
Fornication with woman is a sin before God.
Only Monks ever go to Heaven.
If you are serious about God. Become a Monk.
But NEVER fornicate with woman or else you are condemned to
the bottomless pit of impurity and defilement to be covered
with the impure blood that pours forth from the woman's
loins as her unending punishment and curse for her
disobedience to God.
There the impure unholy blood will turn to vermin and rats
and will devour your bodies with your unholy lust and sin of
fornication with woman.
And there you will smell the incense of pure Angels, pure an
holy and untouched in any way by woman, loyal only to God.
And you will not laugh then.
But we will.
HA HA HA HA HA!!!!
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[quote]On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 15:36:39 -0000, "THE BORG"
borg at (no spam) gone.com> wrote:
"raven1" <quoththeraven at (no spam) nevermore.com> wrote in message
news:bs9re5hl5rbccu13lgi161qdgcqjpog20p at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 06:52:16 -0800 (PST), Sound of
Trumpet
soundoftrumpet at (no spam) dcemail.com> wrote:
Must suck to be you that you need a deity to give
meaning
to your
life. Pathetic, really.
Some men need a WOMAN to give meaning to their lives.
Now that is a lot more pathetic!!!!
At least a deity is rumoured to have power and to know
about
life and death.
What do women have?
Grab grab grab, take take take, and then you have no
money,
can't see your kids and your penis size is public news!!!
Far better the man who believes in God than the man who
believes in woman.
THE BORG
TMI there.
plonk
[/quote]
Yes you have said that ten times already!!!!
We do enjoy a glass of plonk yes.
We like plonk, i.e. cheap red wine.
We do not go for the "Connoisseurs of Jesus blood".
You should not drink wine unless in remembrance of the
unholy and bloody murder of Christ, where he dangles before
you (his own dangle well hidden under a loin cloth) gory and
bloody to remind you of your evil bloody deeds of murder.
Even Vincent Price could produce no horror story worse than
the crucifixion, where young children are born on Earth and
then scream immediately into torment and insanity at such
monstrous evil that is taught to human children.
The monstrous evil being called religion.
The most horrible dark black evil book being called the
Bible.
And as they devour blood and body in Churches and sing the
black masses of the evil and wicked of Earth, we laugh in
our purity and innocence at those who do not know the real
meaning of PLONK.
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Sound of Trumpet wrote:
[quote]Suicidal atheist converts to Christ
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Yo! Trumpy! You miss the entire point of atheism. We don't care if
Chrisitanity makes people feel better, live happier lives, be nicer to
each other, etc., until we first ask if it is a true description of the
universe.
Our primary concern is "IS CHRISTANITY TRUE?" If it is, living is a
universe you understand is always the best choice for the thinking man.
And of course, if Christianity is false, it's better to know that
as well.
So enough with the consequences of belief or disbelief. Give us some
evidence that what you believe is actually true.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
"Creationists make it sound like a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night."
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Did he convert to Christ AFTER he committed suicide or
before?
Was he still alive when his conversion happened?
Or was he DEAD?
When his conversion happened (assuming that he was alive)
did the Heavens open and the Heavenly choirs start to sing,
or was it a more normal conversion such as
"I have found Jesus! I have found Jesus! I have seen the
light! I have seen the light!" and then his conversion into
crashing bore of various differing levels depending on how
much of Jesus he saw and how much he was blinded by the
light.
After he became a Jesus bore, did he become very rude and
start discussing the penis as the Daddy of Jesus seems to
enjoy doing?
Did he have his dingle dongle nipped, as we all know if you
go to Heaven, first thing is you get your pants pulled down
to make sure, and only if Mr Dingle Dongle has been nipped
does this PROVE, yes it PROVES beyond any shadow of doubt,
that indeed you love God.
THE BORG
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet at (no spam) dcemail.com> wrote in
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2322160/posts
Suicidal atheist converts to Christ
CMI ^ | August 22, 2009
Posted on 22. august 2009 20:53:32 by GodGunsGuts
After our article on atheism was published
(creation.com/atheism), a
former atheist wrote to tell of how he came to faith in
Christ. Following that is a poignant email received in the
same time
period about a young man who sadly did take his own
life.
Dear CMI,
I cannot express my gratitude in words. I became a Christian
three
years ago after struggling with thoughts of suicide due to
my atheistic beliefs.
Your ministry truly saved my life.
I was raised in a secular home, and surrounded by atheistic
propaganda
from an early age, whether it be from school or the
media. Unsurprisingly, I became an atheist at the age of 12.
As the years passed and I truly tried to understand the
world around
me, I discovered a horrifying truth that had been hidden
from me, hidden from everyone.
This is the reason I am writing this letter, as even in your
excellent
articles on atheism, you do not truly reveal the
extent to which the atheists deceive everyone, even
themselves.
As the years passed and I truly tried to understand the
world around
me, I discovered a horrifying truth that had been hidden
from me, hidden from everyone.
Atheists often say that they can truly live a happy,
fulfilling life.
Yet this is a lie, a deception which damns millions of
souls to darkness.
While you revealed much in your articles, you have not
destroyed the
root.
Simply put, atheism destroys the possibility of personal
identity,
choice, and objective and subjective meaning.
Atheism inescapably leads to naturalism, and from naturalism
follows
atheism’s great skeleton which its followers try to keep
hidden; determinism.
Determinism is inescapable if one is a naturalist, as all
that exists
is material and has come about by purely natural
processes.
This means then, that the mind of man, our greatest
treasure, is
reducible to material bound by physical laws; namely, our
thoughts, feelings, and actions are reducible to reactions
of
chemicals in the brain.
Few people realize, then, that this destroys all that makes
us human.
Namely; if our thoughts, feelings, and actions are
simply chemical reactions in the brain, those reactions are
simply the
by-products of prior reactions forming an unbreakable
chain which leads to the very beginning of the universe.
This means then, that whatever we do, we do because we have
to. We
cannot do anything other than what we do, it simply isn’t
possible.
All actions are the result of prior actions in an
unbreakable chain.
We are no different than a cog in a watch or a falling
domino.
… atheism is utterly horrific! Sadly, most atheists are
unaware of
these things! I believe if they truly understood the
consequences of what they believed, they would reconsider
their
position.
There is no difference between the embrace of a loving
husband and the
violence of a vicious rapist, the actions of a doctor
trying to save a life and the mass murderer who kills at
whim, the
actions of our greatest leaders and the inaction of a lazy
sluggard.
Both are totally the same in atheism.
Objective meaning is non-existent, and subjective meaning is
incoherent! Would we say the action of a robot picking up a
glass bottle has any meaning, value, or significance? Of
course not!
It’s simply doing what it has to! It can do nothing
else!
In what sense can an atheist say that he as a person truly
exists? The
material which composes our body is recycled every
seven years, and our consciousness seems to cease every time
we go to
bed. So in what sense is the mass of matter that wakes
up in the morning the same person as the one who went to bed
the night
before?
As you can see, atheism is utterly horrific! Sadly, most
atheists are
unaware of these things! I believe if they truly
understood the consequences of what they believed, they
would
reconsider their position.
I know I did,
God bless.
Justin S., United States
A tragic outcome
At around the same time as we received the above, a
supporter
requesting anonymity sent a very poignant email, quite
independently. It concerned a very recent, real event that
happened in
a southern part of Australia, where a 16-year-old he
knew well, whom he has called Tom for anonymity, actually
did take his
own life. The supporter wrote (edited for clarity):
Tom purposefully stepped in front of a large truck. Not many
know
that. Recently he wrote a letter about his feelings. I
don’t know all the details. I didn’t want to quiz his
mother; she is
so fragile at the moment. However I do know that he
wrote about the pointlessness of life using words along the
line of
—“What’s it all about? Shouldn’t life be more than just
struggle, strife and money?” Tom was not a Christian, and
would have
certainly been brought up with the full evolutionary
scene at school.
As she told me this, it took me back to the CMI articles I
had read
and talks I had heard which talked about such things, and
how it is affecting so many young people. Without the
absolute truth
of the gospel, the reality of an originally good world,
ruined by sin but awaiting restoration through Christ, there’s
nothing
left but “Life’s a pain and then you die.” So if
you’re overwhelmed by feelings of hopelessness and despair,
if you’re
nothing but rearranged slime on a pond, suicide can
seem the most rational option.
Tom’s parents’ marriage had failed. He was living with his
father, a
long way from his mother.
It made me think so much of CMI’s message. If this is God’s
created
world, then He made us, owns us, and cares for each of us
so much He paid the dreadful penalty due to us. We can be
forgiven our
sins and lay our burdens upon Him, as He says. However
if we inhabit some naturalistic evolved, dog-eat-dog world
then
“What’s it all about, Alfie?”
If you are physically successful then there is a buffer.
Crying in
your Porsche sure beats doing it on a bus! But what if it
isn’t happening for you, what if you are young with no one
you can
turn to for comfort? What if your father has married again
and is more involved with himself, and his new life, than
you? What if
your mother is too far away to hug? What if you are
too young to have friends who have been battered a little by
life and
have become aware of the suffering of others and soft
enough to care?
What’s it all about? I suppose he came to that point where
death was
more appealing than his empty, Godless,
grab-what-you-can existence.
Too late now to talk to him of Jesus’ loving, forgiving,
sustaining
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On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 09:21:25 -0600, Baron_Mind
<baron.von.mind at (no spam) gmail.com> spake thusly:
[quote]Pounded Strumpets wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com
How's that failed political ideology working out for you?
[/quote]
Thank you for proving his point so well!
[quote]--And why are you such a bare-faced right-wing zealot?
[/quote]
The real question is, why are you so afraid of this link?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2322160/posts
--
Pastor Dave
The following is part of my auto-rotating
sig file and not part of the message body.
"Most Christians testify to the truth that their
own lives were a hell until they placed their lives
in the hands of the Creator. Heaven for them is
being in the presence of that Creator and now their
lives are filled with a love and peace that was not
there before. They feel they have found a door out
of the Hell they were in and a responsibility to
show others where that door is. This often comes
across to the non-believer as "looking down" on
them, but as a wise man once said... 'We're just
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