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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:47 pm
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The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only
Indoctrination


Evolution News & Views ^ | October 27, 2009 | Anika Smith

Posted on 29. october 2009 3:34:50 by GodGunsGuts

The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only
Indoctrination

According to an international poll released by the British Council,
the majority of Americans — 60% — support teaching alternatives to
evolution in the science classroom. The percentage is the same for
Britons, despite the fact that both countries have been inundated with
pro-Darwin media coverage in this super-mega Darwin Year.

Of course, the British media reporting this are chagrined. Britain is
the birthplace of Charles Darwin and his theory of evolution, and the
official-sounding British Council, the UK group behind the “Darwin
Now” campaign that commissioned the Ipsos MORI poll, have spent
precious resources educating the world about Darwin. Now some believe
the poll shows that efforts by Darwinist organizations aren't working.

Head of the British Council’s Darwin Now program Fern Elsdon-Baker
said, “Overall these results may reflect the need for a more
sophisticated approach to teaching and communicating how science works
as a process.”

While Darwin’s apologists might try to explain the poll numbers as an
example of ignorance influencing people’s beliefs, the numbers
themselves suggest a different picture.

Across the board, most respondents from the ten countries polled
thought that “other perspectives on the origins of species” “such as
intelligent design and creationism” should be taught in science
class*. When the poll is weighted to include only those respondents
who have heard of Charles Darwin and know something about his theory
of evolution, the percentage supporting alternate theories increases,
from 60% to 66% in Britain and 60% to 64% in the U.S.

The correlation appears again when we consider which countries have
more knowledge of Darwin’s theory. The highest numbers of those in
support of alternative theories in the classroom correspond to the
highest numbers of those familiar with Charles Darwin — 60% in
Britain, 65% in Mexico, 61% in China, 66% in Russia, and 60% in the
U.S. It appears that the more people know about Darwin’s theory, the
more they want to see alternatives in science class.

The basic truth is that most people want evolution to have to compete
for its place of dominance in their schools. Interestingly, the U.S.
was the only nation with significant knowledge of Darwin where
respondents chose the option “theories about the origins of species
and development of life on earth should not be taught in science
lessons at all.” 14% chose that, compared with 3% in Britain.

*This takes both those who select "other perspectives" only and those
who select "other perspectives" together with "evolutionary theories."
It should be noted that Discovery Institute opposes efforts to mandate
teaching alternative theories in the science classroom — we'd rather
have the whole picture of evolution, the scientific arguments both for
and against the theory, presented instead.
 
Yap...
Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:53 am
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The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only
Indoctrination

Evolution News & Views ^ | October 27, 2009 | Anika Smith

Posted on 29. october 2009 3:34:50 by GodGunsGuts

The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only
Indoctrination

According to an international poll released by the British Council,
the majority of Americans — 60% — support teaching alternatives to
evolution in the science classroom. The percentage is the same for
Britons, despite the fact that both countries have been inundated with
pro-Darwin media coverage in this super-mega Darwin Year.

Of course, the British media reporting this are chagrined. Britain is
the birthplace of Charles Darwin and his theory of evolution, and the
official-sounding British Council, the UK group behind the “Darwin
Now” campaign that commissioned the Ipsos MORI poll, have spent
precious resources educating the world about Darwin. Now some believe
the poll shows that efforts by Darwinist organizations aren't working.

Head of the British Council’s Darwin Now program Fern Elsdon-Baker
said, “Overall these results may reflect the need for a more
sophisticated approach to teaching and communicating how science works
as a process.”

While Darwin’s apologists might try to explain the poll numbers as an
example of ignorance influencing people’s beliefs, the numbers
themselves suggest a different picture.

Across the board, most respondents from the ten countries polled
thought that “other perspectives on the origins of species” “such as
intelligent design and creationism” should be taught in science
class*. When the poll is weighted to include only those respondents
who have heard of Charles Darwin and know something about his theory
of evolution, the percentage supporting alternate theories increases,
from 60% to 66% in Britain and 60% to 64% in the U.S.

The correlation appears again when we consider which countries have
more knowledge of Darwin’s theory. The highest numbers of those in
support of alternative theories in the classroom correspond to the
highest numbers of those familiar with Charles Darwin — 60% in
Britain, 65% in Mexico, 61% in China, 66% in Russia, and 60% in the
U.S. It appears that the more people know about Darwin’s theory, the
more they want to see alternatives in science class.

The basic truth is that most people want evolution to have to compete
for its place of dominance in their schools. Interestingly, the U.S.
was the only nation with significant knowledge of Darwin where
respondents chose the option “theories about the origins of species
and development of life on earth should not be taught in science
lessons at all.” 14% chose that, compared with 3% in Britain.

*This takes both those who select "other perspectives" only and those
who select "other perspectives" together with "evolutionary theories."
It should be noted that Discovery Institute opposes efforts to mandate
teaching alternative theories in the science classroom — we'd rather
have the whole picture of evolution, the scientific arguments both for
and against the theory, presented instead.
You broken trumpet has no business to post any of the above nonsense.[/quote]
It just illustrated your bigotry and prejudice.
No one shall buy you senseless message.
 
Zinnic...
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The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only
Indoctrination

Evolution News & Views ^ | October 27, 2009 | Anika Smith

Posted on 29. october 2009 3:34:50 by GodGunsGuts

The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only
Indoctrination
[/quote]
(Snip rest of text for brevity)

[quote]=Very strange results, especially the UK which I'm familiar with. I can only
assume that the question was very badly worded. I am sure that very few
would want creationism to be taught in a science class 1-5% max.
[/quote]
I think that the generalities (there are no details) of Creationism
(Godidit in six days) and Intelligent Design (irreducible complexity)
should be taught in the first five minutes of Biology class. The
remaining time should then be devoted to detailing the logic and
beauty of the evolutionary process without reference to a First Cause.
Intelligent students will accept it. The question of the multiplicity
of First Causes can be addressed in comparitive religious studies.
Zinnic
 
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The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only
Indoctrination

The age old struggle against peoples stupidity and insainity never ends

Steve Terry
[/quote]
The age old struggle against intellectual tyranny never ends

TCross
 
Terry Cross...
Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:49 am
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On Nov 1, 8:41 am, raven1 <quoththera... at (no spam) nevermore.com> wrote:
[quote]On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:25:46 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross

tcros... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 1, 5:29 am, "Steve Terry" <gfour... at (no spam) tesco.net> wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrum... at (no spam) dcemail.com> wrote in messagenews:f83a647c-fc80-4cd6-8894-4e7ea3b9b52c at (no spam) r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...>  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2373382/posts

The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only
Indoctrination

The age old struggle against peoples stupidity and insainity never ends

Steve Terry

The age old struggle against intellectual tyranny never ends

Do you have a scientific alternative to evolution ready to be taught?
[/quote]

Evolution is not a science -- it is a pseudo-scientific religion.
Evolution is not taught as a science, but as a dogma. Evolution is
the Creation Myth of Comtean Positivism (nihilism).

TCross
 
Giga...
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The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only
Indoctrination


Evolution News & Views ^ | October 27, 2009 | Anika Smith

Posted on 29. october 2009 3:34:50 by GodGunsGuts

The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only
Indoctrination

According to an international poll released by the British Council,
the majority of Americans — 60% — support teaching alternatives to
evolution in the science classroom. The percentage is the same for
Britons, despite the fact that both countries have been inundated with
pro-Darwin media coverage in this super-mega Darwin Year.

Of course, the British media reporting this are chagrined. Britain is
the birthplace of Charles Darwin and his theory of evolution, and the
official-sounding British Council, the UK group behind the “Darwin
Now” campaign that commissioned the Ipsos MORI poll, have spent
precious resources educating the world about Darwin. Now some believe
the poll shows that efforts by Darwinist organizations aren't working.

Head of the British Council’s Darwin Now program Fern Elsdon-Baker
said, “Overall these results may reflect the need for a more
sophisticated approach to teaching and communicating how science works
as a process.”

While Darwin’s apologists might try to explain the poll numbers as an
example of ignorance influencing people’s beliefs, the numbers
themselves suggest a different picture.

Across the board, most respondents from the ten countries polled
thought that “other perspectives on the origins of species” “such as
intelligent design and creationism” should be taught in science
class*. When the poll is weighted to include only those respondents
who have heard of Charles Darwin and know something about his theory
of evolution, the percentage supporting alternate theories increases,
from 60% to 66% in Britain and 60% to 64% in the U.S.

The correlation appears again when we consider which countries have
more knowledge of Darwin’s theory. The highest numbers of those in
support of alternative theories in the classroom correspond to the
highest numbers of those familiar with Charles Darwin — 60% in
Britain, 65% in Mexico, 61% in China, 66% in Russia, and 60% in the
U.S. It appears that the more people know about Darwin’s theory, the
more they want to see alternatives in science class.

The basic truth is that most people want evolution to have to compete
for its place of dominance in their schools. Interestingly, the U.S.
was the only nation with significant knowledge of Darwin where
respondents chose the option “theories about the origins of species
and development of life on earth should not be taught in science
lessons at all.” 14% chose that, compared with 3% in Britain.

*This takes both those who select "other perspectives" only and those
who select "other perspectives" together with "evolutionary theories."
It should be noted that Discovery Institute opposes efforts to mandate
teaching alternative theories in the science classroom — we'd rather
have the whole picture of evolution, the scientific arguments both for
and against the theory, presented instead.

=Very strange results, especially the UK which I'm familiar with. I can only
assume that the question was very badly worded. I am sure that very few
would want creationism to be taught in a science class 1-5% max.
 
Zinnic...
Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:07 am
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On Nov 1, 10:21 am, "Sara Brum" <sarab... at (no spam) medulla.cöm> wrote:
[quote]"Zinnic" <zeenr... at (no spam) gate.net> wrote in message

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On Nov 1, 6:42 am, "Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
ho... at (no spam) yahoo.co> wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrum... at (no spam) dcemail.com> wrote in
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The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only
Indoctrination

Evolution News & Views ^ | October 27, 2009 | Anika Smith

Posted on 29. october 2009 3:34:50 by GodGunsGuts

The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only
Indoctrination

(Snip rest of text for brevity)

=Very strange results, especially the UK which I'm familiar with. I can
only
assume that the question was very badly worded. I am sure that very few
would want creationism to be taught in a science class 1-5% max.

I think that the generalities (there are no details) of Creationism
(Godidit in six days) and Intelligent Design (irreducible complexity)
should be taught in the first five minutes of Biology class.

Why?  Neither has anything to do with science in general, or biology in
particular.  Letting this religious drivel into a science class, even in a
limited form, is just allowing the intrusion of the thin edge of the wedge.
You may as well drop your drawers, grab your ankles and say, "Well, ok, so
long as you only put the tip of it in."- Hide quoted text -

[/quote]
I believe that in the setting of Biology, Creationism and Intelligent
Design will be as impotent as a wet noodle would be in the in the
setting that you conjure. Smile
 
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The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only
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The age old struggle against peoples stupidity and insainity never ends[/quote]

Steve Terry
 
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[quote]On Nov 1, 6:42 am, "Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrum... at (no spam) dcemail.com> wrote in
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The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only
Indoctrination

Evolution News & Views ^ | October 27, 2009 | Anika Smith

Posted on 29. october 2009 3:34:50 by GodGunsGuts

The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only
Indoctrination

(Snip rest of text for brevity)

=Very strange results, especially the UK which I'm familiar with. I can
only
assume that the question was very badly worded. I am sure that very few
would want creationism to be taught in a science class 1-5% max.

I think that the generalities (there are no details) of Creationism
(Godidit in six days) and Intelligent Design (irreducible complexity)
should be taught in the first five minutes of Biology class.
[/quote]
Why? Neither has anything to do with science in general, or biology in
particular. Letting this religious drivel into a science class, even in a
limited form, is just allowing the intrusion of the thin edge of the wedge.
You may as well drop your drawers, grab your ankles and say, "Well, ok, so
long as you only put the tip of it in."
 
raven1...
Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:41 am
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On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:25:46 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross
<tcross77 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

[quote]On Nov 1, 5:29 am, "Steve Terry" <gfour... at (no spam) tesco.net> wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrum... at (no spam) dcemail.com> wrote in messagenews:f83a647c-fc80-4cd6-8894-4e7ea3b9b52c at (no spam) r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...>  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2373382/posts

The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only
Indoctrination

The age old struggle against peoples stupidity and insainity never ends

Steve Terry

The age old struggle against intellectual tyranny never ends
[/quote]
Do you have a scientific alternative to evolution ready to be taught?
 
Steve Terry...
Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:07 pm
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On Nov 1, 8:41 am, raven1 <quoththera... at (no spam) nevermore.com> wrote:
[quote]On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:25:46 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross
tcros... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 1, 5:29 am, "Steve Terry" <gfour... at (no spam) tesco.net> wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrum... at (no spam) dcemail.com> wrote in
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2373382/posts

The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only
Indoctrination

The age old struggle against peoples stupidity and insainity never
ends
Steve Terry

The age old struggle against intellectual tyranny never ends

Do you have a scientific alternative to evolution ready to be taught?

Evolution is not a science -- it is a pseudo-scientific religion.
Evolution is not taught as a science, but as a dogma. Evolution is
the Creation Myth of Comtean Positivism (nihilism).
TCross


Denial is a lovely place to escape to[/quote]

Steve Terry
 
raven1...
Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:44 pm
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On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:49:46 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross
<tcross77 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

[quote]On Nov 1, 8:41 am, raven1 <quoththera... at (no spam) nevermore.com> wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:25:46 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross

tcros... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 1, 5:29 am, "Steve Terry" <gfour... at (no spam) tesco.net> wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrum... at (no spam) dcemail.com> wrote in messagenews:f83a647c-fc80-4cd6-8894-4e7ea3b9b52c at (no spam) r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...>  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2373382/posts

The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only
Indoctrination

The age old struggle against peoples stupidity and insainity never ends

Steve Terry

The age old struggle against intellectual tyranny never ends

Do you have a scientific alternative to evolution ready to be taught?


Evolution is not a science -- it is a pseudo-scientific religion.
Evolution is not taught as a science, but as a dogma. Evolution is
the Creation Myth of Comtean Positivism (nihilism).
[/quote]
I'll take that as a "no".
 
Christopher A. Lee...
Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:39 pm
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<quoththeraven at (no spam) nevermore.com> wrote:

[quote]On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:49:46 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross
tcross77 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

On Nov 1, 8:41 am, raven1 <quoththera... at (no spam) nevermore.com> wrote:
On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 08:25:46 -0800 (PST), Terry Cross

tcros... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 1, 5:29 am, "Steve Terry" <gfour... at (no spam) tesco.net> wrote:
"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrum... at (no spam) dcemail.com> wrote in messagenews:f83a647c-fc80-4cd6-8894-4e7ea3b9b52c at (no spam) r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...>  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2373382/posts

The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only
Indoctrination

The age old struggle against peoples stupidity and insainity never ends

Steve Terry

The age old struggle against intellectual tyranny never ends

Do you have a scientific alternative to evolution ready to be taught?


Evolution is not a science -- it is a pseudo-scientific religion.
Evolution is not taught as a science, but as a dogma. Evolution is
the Creation Myth of Comtean Positivism (nihilism).

I'll take that as a "no".
[/quote]
Does she really expect people to believe such transparent lies?
 
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On Nov 1, 6:42 am, "Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
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The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only
Indoctrination

Evolution News & Views ^ | October 27, 2009 | Anika Smith

Posted on 29. october 2009 3:34:50 by GodGunsGuts

The More They Know Darwin, The Less They Want Darwin-Only
Indoctrination

(Snip rest of text for brevity)

=Very strange results, especially the UK which I'm familiar with. I
can
only
assume that the question was very badly worded. I am sure that very
few
would want creationism to be taught in a science class 1-5% max.

I think that the generalities (there are no details) of Creationism
(Godidit in six days) and Intelligent Design (irreducible complexity)
should be taught in the first five minutes of Biology class.

Why? Neither has anything to do with science in general, or biology in
particular. Letting this religious drivel into a science class, even in
a
limited form, is just allowing the intrusion of the thin edge of the
wedge.
You may as well drop your drawers, grab your ankles and say, "Well, ok,
so
long as you only put the tip of it in."- Hide quoted text -


I believe that in the setting of Biology, Creationism and Intelligent
Design will be as impotent as a wet noodle would be in the in the
setting that you conjure. Smile
[/quote]
That's not the point, if you'll pardon the expression.
 
Syd M....
Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:01 pm
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wrote:
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[/quote]
AKA, Sound Of Stupendous Lies repeats Far Right Propaganda.

PDW
 
 
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