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| Norman Peelman... |
 Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:49 pm |
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Skybuck Flying wrote:
[quote]"Norman Peelman" <npeelman at (no spam) cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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Skybuck Flying wrote:
"Toolpackinmama" <philnblanc at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote in message
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Skybuck wrote:
Not so long ago I cleaned the pc-case dust filters while the pc was
running... I decided not to dry the dust filters thoroughly because a
kid on youtube also didn't try them thoroughly...
Is this guy for real? Or is this some kind of parody, like SPINALTAP?
Real, can't find the video of the kid...
But search for antec 1200 and you'll see plenty of people washing their
dust filters with water ! ;)
Makes ya wonder doesn't it !  :)
Bye,
Skybuck.
Nothing wrong with that as long as you let them dry out.
But then one needs to wait... which is "down time"... and might be
unneccessary ?
(Also cleaning it dry takes more time and toiletpaper ! )
The real question is:
What happens if it's slightly wet/moisturish ;)
Anybody know ?  =D
Bye,
Skybuck =D
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What happens if you just run the system without the dust filter on
until it dries? Would it be so bad? Oh wait, why not get extra dust
filters so you can rotate them out for cleaning...
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Norman
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| Capt. Cave Man... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:16 pm |
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On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:49:30 -0500, Norman Peelman <npeelman at (no spam) cfl.rr.com>
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[quote]Skybuck Flying wrote:
"Norman Peelman" <npeelman at (no spam) cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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Skybuck Flying wrote:
"Toolpackinmama" <philnblanc at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hcjjn1$j0e$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
Skybuck wrote:
Not so long ago I cleaned the pc-case dust filters while the pc was
running... I decided not to dry the dust filters thoroughly because a
kid on youtube also didn't try them thoroughly...
Is this guy for real? Or is this some kind of parody, like SPINALTAP?
Real, can't find the video of the kid...
But search for antec 1200 and you'll see plenty of people washing their
dust filters with water ! ;)
Makes ya wonder doesn't it ! :)
Bye,
Skybuck.
Nothing wrong with that as long as you let them dry out.
But then one needs to wait... which is "down time"... and might be
unneccessary ?
(Also cleaning it dry takes more time and toiletpaper ! )
The real question is:
What happens if it's slightly wet/moisturish ;)
Anybody know ? =D
Bye,
Skybuck =D
What happens if you just run the system without the dust filter on
until it dries? Would it be so bad? Oh wait, why not get extra dust
filters so you can rotate them out for cleaning...
[/quote]
Go buy a REAL blower system, place it in the next room, or in the wall,
and filter THAT on the intake side, then ALL the air it forces into the
PC will be clean, and the only difference is the pipe (hose) leading into
the PC from the mystery location. 4" Pipe should work well.
Then, you could use an automotive filter on the front end of the thing.
The highest tech consumer level filter you can get, dollar for dollar.
Goddamned overtly retarded cross posting DUMBFUCKS! |
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| Skybuck Flying... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:26 am |
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"Norman Peelman" <npeelman at (no spam) cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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[quote]Skybuck Flying wrote:
"Norman Peelman" <npeelman at (no spam) cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
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Skybuck Flying wrote:
"Toolpackinmama" <philnblanc at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hcjjn1$j0e$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
Skybuck wrote:
Not so long ago I cleaned the pc-case dust filters while the pc was
running... I decided not to dry the dust filters thoroughly because a
kid on youtube also didn't try them thoroughly...
Is this guy for real? Or is this some kind of parody, like SPINALTAP?
Real, can't find the video of the kid...
But search for antec 1200 and you'll see plenty of people washing their
dust filters with water ! ;)
Makes ya wonder doesn't it ! :)
Bye,
Skybuck.
Nothing wrong with that as long as you let them dry out.
But then one needs to wait... which is "down time"... and might be
unneccessary ?
(Also cleaning it dry takes more time and toiletpaper ! )
The real question is:
What happens if it's slightly wet/moisturish ;)
Anybody know ? =D
Bye,
Skybuck =D
What happens if you just run the system without the dust filter on until
it dries? Would it be so bad? Oh wait, why not get extra dust filters so
you can rotate them out for cleaning...
[/quote]
I thought about the idea of extra dust filters... might be a nice idea for
antec in the future ! Why didn't they think of it ! :)
I would still like to know the answer to my question:
What happens if the air in the room is moisterish... for example... suppose
I take a shower... and there is this gas burning near the pc... lot's of
gasses being burned and expelled into the air...
What will the effect of burned gas be on for example the asus motherboard
?!?
I am beginning to suspect that the asus motherboard in combination with
burned gasses, some moisture and heat... is corroding or so... ?!?
Bye,
Skybuck. |
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| Zootal... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:37 pm |
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"Skybuck Flying" <BloodyShame at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[quote]
"Norman Peelman" <npeelman at (no spam) cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4aef6f7d$0$5660$9a6e19ea at (no spam) unlimited.newshosting.com...
Skybuck Flying wrote:
"Norman Peelman" <npeelman at (no spam) cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4aee4a70$0$5118$9a6e19ea at (no spam) unlimited.newshosting.com...
Skybuck Flying wrote:
"Toolpackinmama" <philnblanc at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote in message
news:hcjjn1$j0e$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
Skybuck wrote:
Not so long ago I cleaned the pc-case dust filters while the pc was
running... I decided not to dry the dust filters thoroughly because
a
kid on youtube also didn't try them thoroughly...
Is this guy for real? Or is this some kind of parody, like
SPINALTAP?
Real, can't find the video of the kid...
But search for antec 1200 and you'll see plenty of people washing
their dust filters with water ! ;)
Makes ya wonder doesn't it ! :)
Bye,
Skybuck.
Nothing wrong with that as long as you let them dry out.
But then one needs to wait... which is "down time"... and might be
unneccessary ?
(Also cleaning it dry takes more time and toiletpaper ! )
The real question is:
What happens if it's slightly wet/moisturish ;)
Anybody know ? =D
Bye,
Skybuck =D
What happens if you just run the system without the dust filter on
until it dries? Would it be so bad? Oh wait, why not get extra dust
filters so you can rotate them out for cleaning...
I thought about the idea of extra dust filters... might be a nice idea for
antec in the future ! Why didn't they think of it ! :)
I would still like to know the answer to my question:
What happens if the air in the room is moisterish... for example...
suppose I take a shower... and there is this gas burning near the pc...
lot's of gasses being burned and expelled into the air...
What will the effect of burned gas be on for example the asus motherboard
?!?
I am beginning to suspect that the asus motherboard in combination with
burned gasses, some moisture and heat... is corroding or so... ?!?
Bye,
Skybuck.
[/quote]
Mother boards and related equipment have environmental ratings that tell you
the maximum humidity and temperature they will tolerate. Exceed that and you
run the risk of condensation and corrosion. Condensation on high frequency
high impedance circuits can bring your computer down right now, blammo, and
stay down until it dries. Just putting a finger across some of these traces
will crash your computer. Extended exposure to moisture can cause corrosion
that can eventually kill your computer, though you would have to run it in a
sweathouse to get that to happen. The heat inside of the case is usually
enough to keep moisture from condensing under most circumstances. A moist
dust filter and the temporary increase in humidity is not likely to hurt
anything.
And if you put your computer in your oven, then it isn't the burned gasses
that will kill it... |
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| nobody >... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:11 pm |
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Zootal wrote:
[quote]
Mother boards and related equipment have environmental ratings that tell you
the maximum humidity and temperature they will tolerate. Exceed that and you
run the risk of condensation and corrosion. Condensation on high frequency
high impedance circuits can bring your computer down right now, blammo, and
stay down until it dries. Just putting a finger across some of these traces
will crash your computer.
[/quote]
You must be dealing with some awfully crappy motherboards with totally
bare traces.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conformal_coating |
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| Zootal... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:55 pm |
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"nobody >" <usenetharvested at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
news:0pSdnTutKMl5bW3XnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d at (no spam) supernews.com...
[quote]Zootal wrote:
Mother boards and related equipment have environmental ratings that tell
you the maximum humidity and temperature they will tolerate. Exceed that
and you run the risk of condensation and corrosion. Condensation on high
frequency high impedance circuits can bring your computer down right now,
blammo, and stay down until it dries. Just putting a finger across some
of these traces will crash your computer.
You must be dealing with some awfully crappy motherboards with totally
bare traces.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conformal_coating
[/quote]
Out there in the real world, it happens. Not every piece of electronic
equipment is a nice neat color coordinated motherboard with pretty traces
and an aesthetically pleasing design, not to mention your "conformal
coating". |
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| nobody >... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:14 pm |
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Zootal wrote:
[quote]"nobody >" <usenetharvested at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
news:0pSdnTutKMl5bW3XnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d at (no spam) supernews.com...
Zootal wrote:
Mother boards and related equipment have environmental ratings that tell
you the maximum humidity and temperature they will tolerate. Exceed that
and you run the risk of condensation and corrosion. Condensation on high
frequency high impedance circuits can bring your computer down right now,
blammo, and stay down until it dries. Just putting a finger across some
of these traces will crash your computer.
You must be dealing with some awfully crappy motherboards with totally
bare traces.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conformal_coating
Out there in the real world, it happens. Not every piece of electronic
equipment is a nice neat color coordinated motherboard with pretty traces
and an aesthetically pleasing design, not to mention your "conformal
coating".
[/quote]
Sorry,Zootal... I've been dealing with "real world" printed circuit
boards a long time. I might even venture that I was possibly repairing
them before you were born.
I've repaired marine electronics from sunken boats, portable two-way
radios found in sewers, pagers that went swimming in toilets, dispatch
consoles that have had the "Pepsi Treatment" (lattes and mochas are
worse..but "PT" is the generic term), and radio base stations doused in
rat pee for years.
I know what can happens from "exposure".
Yes, early PC mobos were "bare-assed traces", but any reasonable mobo
made in the last 10-15 years has some form of coating. Your "finger
touch" doesn't fly. |
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| Zootal... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:12 am |
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"nobody >" <usenetharvested at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
news:Q7mdnSrcA6ksYm3XnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d at (no spam) supernews.com...
[quote]Zootal wrote:
"nobody >" <usenetharvested at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
news:0pSdnTutKMl5bW3XnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d at (no spam) supernews.com...
Zootal wrote:
Mother boards and related equipment have environmental ratings that
tell you the maximum humidity and temperature they will tolerate.
Exceed that and you run the risk of condensation and corrosion.
Condensation on high frequency high impedance circuits can bring your
computer down right now, blammo, and stay down until it dries. Just
putting a finger across some of these traces will crash your computer.
You must be dealing with some awfully crappy motherboards with totally
bare traces.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conformal_coating
Out there in the real world, it happens. Not every piece of electronic
equipment is a nice neat color coordinated motherboard with pretty traces
and an aesthetically pleasing design, not to mention your "conformal
coating".
Sorry,Zootal... I've been dealing with "real world" printed circuit boards
a long time. I might even venture that I was possibly repairing them
before you were born.
I've repaired marine electronics from sunken boats, portable two-way
radios found in sewers, pagers that went swimming in toilets, dispatch
consoles that have had the "Pepsi Treatment" (lattes and mochas are
worse..but "PT" is the generic term), and radio base stations doused in
rat pee for years.
I know what can happens from "exposure".
Yes, early PC mobos were "bare-assed traces", but any reasonable mobo made
in the last 10-15 years has some form of coating. Your "finger touch"
doesn't fly.
[/quote]
It is possible you were repairing them before I was born. If so, that would
make you upwards of 75 years old. I've met older people out here, so I
suppose that is entirely possible. But don't tell me what is and is not out
there. Yes, there is a lot of nicely made boards properly coated etc. etc.
But I stand by my statement - there is a lot of stuff with "bare ass"
traces and worse. Once you get out of the realm of your pretty consumer
grade electronics and move into the world of military and custom (and
not-so-custom) commercial equipment, you see a stunning range of quality and
reliability - good and bad. |
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| david... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:15 am |
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On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:14:33 -0800, nobody > rearranged some electrons to
say:
[quote]Zootal wrote:
"nobody >" <usenetharvested at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
news:0pSdnTutKMl5bW3XnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d at (no spam) supernews.com...
Zootal wrote:
Mother boards and related equipment have environmental ratings that
tell you the maximum humidity and temperature they will tolerate.
Exceed that and you run the risk of condensation and corrosion.
Condensation on high frequency high impedance circuits can bring your
computer down right now, blammo, and stay down until it dries. Just
putting a finger across some of these traces will crash your
computer.
You must be dealing with some awfully crappy motherboards with totally
bare traces.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conformal_coating
Out there in the real world, it happens. Not every piece of electronic
equipment is a nice neat color coordinated motherboard with pretty
traces and an aesthetically pleasing design, not to mention your
"conformal coating".
Sorry,Zootal... I've been dealing with "real world" printed circuit
boards a long time. I might even venture that I was possibly repairing
them before you were born.
I've repaired marine electronics from sunken boats, portable two-way
radios found in sewers, pagers that went swimming in toilets, dispatch
consoles that have had the "Pepsi Treatment" (lattes and mochas are
worse..but "PT" is the generic term), and radio base stations doused in
rat pee for years.
I know what can happens from "exposure".
Yes, early PC mobos were "bare-assed traces", but any reasonable mobo
made in the last 10-15 years has some form of coating. Your "finger
touch" doesn't fly.
[/quote]
Soldermask is not a conformal coating. |
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| nobody >... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:05 pm |
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Zootal wrote:
[quote]"nobody >" <usenetharvested at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
news:Q7mdnSrcA6ksYm3XnZ2dnUVZ_uKdnZ2d at (no spam) supernews.com...
Zootal wrote:
"nobody >" <usenetharvested at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
news:0pSdnTutKMl5bW3XnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d at (no spam) supernews.com...
Zootal wrote:
Mother boards and related equipment have environmental ratings that
tell you the maximum humidity and temperature they will tolerate.
Exceed that and you run the risk of condensation and corrosion.
Condensation on high frequency high impedance circuits can bring your
computer down right now, blammo, and stay down until it dries. Just
putting a finger across some of these traces will crash your computer.
You must be dealing with some awfully crappy motherboards with totally
bare traces.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conformal_coating
Out there in the real world, it happens. Not every piece of electronic
equipment is a nice neat color coordinated motherboard with pretty traces
and an aesthetically pleasing design, not to mention your "conformal
coating".
Sorry,Zootal... I've been dealing with "real world" printed circuit boards
a long time. I might even venture that I was possibly repairing them
before you were born.
I've repaired marine electronics from sunken boats, portable two-way
radios found in sewers, pagers that went swimming in toilets, dispatch
consoles that have had the "Pepsi Treatment" (lattes and mochas are
worse..but "PT" is the generic term), and radio base stations doused in
rat pee for years.
I know what can happens from "exposure".
Yes, early PC mobos were "bare-assed traces", but any reasonable mobo made
in the last 10-15 years has some form of coating. Your "finger touch"
doesn't fly.
It is possible you were repairing them before I was born. If so, that would
make you upwards of 75 years old. I've met older people out here, so I
suppose that is entirely possible. But don't tell me what is and is not out
there. Yes, there is a lot of nicely made boards properly coated etc. etc.
But I stand by my statement - there is a lot of stuff with "bare ass"
traces and worse. Once you get out of the realm of your pretty consumer
grade electronics and move into the world of military and custom (and
not-so-custom) commercial equipment, you see a stunning range of quality and
reliability - good and bad.
[/quote]
I started "at a young age" <g> (but true)....
Do you remember military/industrial "printed circuit boards" with pencil
tubes mounted in clips?
I think we both are trying to say the same things. I just have a problem
with your statement that "Just putting a finger across some of these
traces will crash your computer". Mainly the "will" part. The only time
I've had a mobo crash from touch is when I've been finger-stomping
around looking for board cracks (and did find same).
But consider this... this whole thread was started by "StyButt
Flailing"; a person who could break an anvil by looking at it. If there
was *one* set of traces on *one* motherboard in the whole world that
would crash the pooter if touched, "SF" bought that mobo. |
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| nobody >... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:08 pm |
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david wrote:
[quote]Soldermask is not a conformal coating.
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True, but measure the resistance sometime. |
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| Michael A. Terrell... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:09 pm |
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"nobody >" wrote:
[quote]
david wrote:
Soldermask is not a conformal coating.
True, but measure the resistance sometime.
[/quote]
You do it, and get back to us with your data. A lot of people on
sci.electronics.design know the facts, no matter what you beleive.
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| daytripper... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:27 am |
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On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 23:09:24 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
[quote]
"nobody >" wrote:
david wrote:
Soldermask is not a conformal coating.
True, but measure the resistance sometime.
You do it, and get back to us with your data. A lot of people on
sci.electronics.design know the facts, no matter what you beleive.
[/quote]
Must....not.....respond..... |
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| StickThatInYourPipeAndSmokeIt... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:28 pm |
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On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:08:19 -0800, "nobody >" <usenetharvested at (no spam) aol.com>
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[quote]david wrote:
Soldermask is not a conformal coating.
True, but measure the resistance sometime.
[/quote]
At least use the proper terminology.
Goddamned overtly cross-posting retards should be banned from access.
Yes, that is a reference to the OP. |
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