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http://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/oct/30/warming-now-killing-trees/
Saturday, October 31, 2009
Sun editorial:
Warming now killing trees
Massive destruction in Western forests a graphic example of climate
change
Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other
high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the
mountain pine beetle.
Pine trees that once spread gloriously over millions of acres are now
either dead or dying.
The beetle, not much bigger than a bedbug, is native to the West and
has always been known as a tree killer.
For centuries it has killed a few diseased trees here, a patch of
trees there, but never before has it caused destruction on the scale
being seen today.
U.S. Forest Service scientist Jesse Logan and other forest researchers
have discovered that the beetles are responding to higher average
temperatures by breeding almost nonstop.
They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter
temperatures that once prevailed.
The death of so many trees, which imperils the habitat of animals and
threatens catastrophic forest fires, is further evidence that the
planet is warming at an alarming rate.
Appearing on a National Public Radio show this week, Logan said the
warming is not part of a natural cycle, as many climate-change deniers
insist.
“It is directly our actions that are taking these forests out,” Logan
said.
Scientists around the world agree with Logan:
Human activity, principally the burning of fossil fuels for energy, is
responsible for rapidly accelerating warming.
Worldwide consequences include the melting of polar ice and weird
weather, including shorter springs and extended summers that cause
droughts.
That is why Congress is nearing debate on a climate-change bill that
would cap the emissions of greenhouse gases from American industries
and set goals for converting to non-emitting power sources such as
solar and wind.
Greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide, trap heat in the atmosphere
that would otherwise escape harmlessly into space.
It is imperative to pass this bill so more and bigger changes in
energy production can start immediately.
Those who deny the urgency should take a drive through the West.
_______________________________________________________
Harry |
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On Oct 31, 8:24 am, Harry Hope <riv... at (no spam) ix.netcom.com> wrote:
[quote]http://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/oct/30/warming-now-killing-trees/
Saturday, October 31, 2009
Sun editorial:
Warming now killing trees
Massive destruction in Western forests a graphic example of climate
change
Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other
high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the
mountain pine beetle.
Pine trees that once spread gloriously over millions of acres are now
either dead or dying.
The beetle, not much bigger than a bedbug, is native to the West and
has always been known as a tree killer.
For centuries it has killed a few diseased trees here, a patch of
trees there, but never before has it caused destruction on the scale
being seen today.
U.S. Forest Service scientist Jesse Logan and other forest researchers
have discovered that the beetles are responding to higher average
temperatures by breeding almost nonstop.
They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter
temperatures that once prevailed.
The death of so many trees, which imperils the habitat of animals and
threatens catastrophic forest fires, is further evidence that the
planet is warming at an alarming rate.
Appearing on a National Public Radio show this week, Logan said the
warming is not part of a natural cycle, as many climate-change deniers
insist.
“It is directly our actions that are taking these forests out,” Logan
said.
Scientists around the world agree with Logan:
Human activity, principally the burning of fossil fuels for energy, is
responsible for rapidly accelerating warming.
Worldwide consequences include the melting of polar ice and weird
weather, including shorter springs and extended summers that cause
droughts.
That is why Congress is nearing debate on a climate-change bill that
would cap the emissions of greenhouse gases from American industries
and set goals for converting to non-emitting power sources such as
solar and wind.
Greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide, trap heat in the atmosphere
that would otherwise escape harmlessly into space.
It is imperative to pass this bill so more and bigger changes in
energy production can start immediately.
Those who deny the urgency should take a drive through the West.
_______________________________________________________
Harry
[/quote]
Greenhouse gases is heating up the area causing melting of ice. That's
why
Swiss has banned fossil fuel car over 5,000 feet in order to protect
their
glacier. They use electric motors up in Alpine street.
In Southern CA, the last forest fire and brushfire was the worst one
ever...The fire was easy to spread out fast due to the wind and
warmed air. The effort of fire-fighter were futile.
I don't have to go to Rocky Mountain to see the destruction of the
trees...
I can visit here 3 of my favourite mountain bikepath are gone. Many
trees burnt
out blacken.. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:24 am |
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On Oct 31, 11:24 am, Harry Hope <riv... at (no spam) ix.netcom.com> wrote:
[quote]http://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/oct/30/warming-now-killing-trees/
Saturday, October 31, 2009
Sun editorial:
Warming now killing trees
Massive destruction in Western forests a graphic example of climate
change
Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other
high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the
mountain pine beetle.
Pine trees that once spread gloriously over millions of acres are now
either dead or dying.
The beetle, not much bigger than a bedbug, is native to the West and
has always been known as a tree killer.
For centuries it has killed a few diseased trees here, a patch of
trees there, but never before has it caused destruction on the scale
being seen today.
U.S. Forest Service scientist Jesse Logan and other forest researchers
have discovered that the beetles are responding to higher average
temperatures by breeding almost nonstop.
They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter
temperatures that once prevailed.
The death of so many trees, which imperils the habitat of animals and
threatens catastrophic forest fires, is further evidence that the
planet is warming at an alarming rate.
Appearing on a National Public Radio show this week, Logan said the
warming is not part of a natural cycle, as many climate-change deniers
insist.
“It is directly our actions that are taking these forests out,” Logan
said.
Scientists around the world agree with Logan:
Human activity, principally the burning of fossil fuels for energy, is
responsible for rapidly accelerating warming.
Worldwide consequences include the melting of polar ice and weird
weather, including shorter springs and extended summers that cause
droughts.
That is why Congress is nearing debate on a climate-change bill that
would cap the emissions of greenhouse gases from American industries
and set goals for converting to non-emitting power sources such as
solar and wind.
Greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide, trap heat in the atmosphere
that would otherwise escape harmlessly into space.
It is imperative to pass this bill so more and bigger changes in
energy production can start immediately.
Those who deny the urgency should take a drive through the West.
_______________________________________________________
Harry
[/quote]
But even proponents admit that proposed reductions in US CO2 emissions
will have a barely measurable impact on temperatures, particularly
since China and India have made it clear that they have no intention
of following suit. So why would we want to spend trillions trying
vainly to stop something when we know that the approach simply won't
work? If certain tree species are being impacted by global warming,
then rest assured other species adapted to warmer climates will move
in. The pine trees will just move further north, expanding their range
into areas that were one treeless tundra. So its really not the end
of the world. Let's embrace climate change and keep the lights on by
continuing to burn fossil fuels. Despite all the hand-waving and
political grandstanding, that's whats going to happen anyway. If you
think that solar and wind will amount to more than a tiny fraction of
our energy production you are kidding yourself. |
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On Oct 31, 12:05 pm, matt_sykes <zzeb... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On 31 Oct, 19:00, Red Cloud <mmdir2... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 31, 8:24 am, Harry Hope <riv... at (no spam) ix.netcom.com> wrote:
http://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/oct/30/warming-now-killing-trees/
Saturday, October 31, 2009
Sun editorial:
Warming now killing trees
Massive destruction in Western forests a graphic example of climate
change
Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other
high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the
mountain pine beetle.
Pine trees that once spread gloriously over millions of acres are now
either dead or dying.
The beetle, not much bigger than a bedbug, is native to the West and
has always been known as a tree killer.
For centuries it has killed a few diseased trees here, a patch of
trees there, but never before has it caused destruction on the scale
being seen today.
U.S. Forest Service scientist Jesse Logan and other forest researchers
have discovered that the beetles are responding to higher average
temperatures by breeding almost nonstop.
They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter
temperatures that once prevailed.
The death of so many trees, which imperils the habitat of animals and
threatens catastrophic forest fires, is further evidence that the
planet is warming at an alarming rate.
Appearing on a National Public Radio show this week, Logan said the
warming is not part of a natural cycle, as many climate-change deniers
insist.
“It is directly our actions that are taking these forests out,” Logan
said.
Scientists around the world agree with Logan:
Human activity, principally the burning of fossil fuels for energy, is
responsible for rapidly accelerating warming.
Worldwide consequences include the melting of polar ice and weird
weather, including shorter springs and extended summers that cause
droughts.
That is why Congress is nearing debate on a climate-change bill that
would cap the emissions of greenhouse gases from American industries
and set goals for converting to non-emitting power sources such as
solar and wind.
Greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide, trap heat in the atmosphere
that would otherwise escape harmlessly into space.
It is imperative to pass this bill so more and bigger changes in
energy production can start immediately.
Those who deny the urgency should take a drive through the West.
_______________________________________________________
Harry
Greenhouse gases is heating up the area causing melting of ice. That's
why
Swiss has banned fossil fuel car over 5,000 feet in order to protect
their
glacier. They use electric motors up in Alpine street.
That is either a waste of time, it woldnt make any difference, or a
lie.
In Southern CA, the last forest fire and brushfire was the worst one
ever...The fire was easy to spread out fast due to the wind and
warmed air. The effort of fire-fighter were futile.
Bull. There have always been fires. The reason they are so
destructive is that people no longer clear back te scrub in the
forest.
I don't have to go to Rocky Mountain to see the destruction of the
trees...
I can visit here 3 of my favourite mountain bikepath are gone. Many
trees burnt
out blacken..- Hide quoted text -
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Not like you filthy dickhead |
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.........opinionated article from the popular press....
Reply:
More Gorebull Warming lies. Those who study the
situation realize that it has nothing to do with gorebull Warming and
everything to do with bad modern forest management and tree harvesting
practices.
Like forest fires, bark beetles play an important role in
the natural life cycle of a forest. By attacking older or weakened
trees, bark beetles help hasten the development of younger forests.
We've always had droughts on and off, we've had warmer
tempratures before, such as during the Medeival Warm Period and the
Eemian, which was even warmer then now with the tree line two or three
hundred miles further north.
The pine bark beetle prefer trees that are around
eighty to ninety years old which is now what many of the trees left in
the forests are.
In the past, forest fires controlled the pine bark
beetle by burning large areas and the younger trees that grew in place
were not as favorable to the beetle. Now we fight these fires with
fire breaks and firefighting.
Trees damaged by lightning, hail, wind, fire, construction
or tree harvesting equipment, heavy pruning but manage to survive emit
odors that attract bark beetles.
The harvesting of trees for lumber and paper pulp has
cut huge swathes of forests down. Just use Google Earth to check for
yourself.
Zoom in on for instance, British Columbia, and as you
close in, you will see a sick forest that is a patchwork of harvesting
that looks like a disease from high up. |
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On Oct 31, 12:24 pm, Harry Hope <riv... at (no spam) ix.netcom.com> wrote:
[quote]m.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/oct/30/warming-now-killing-trees/
Saturday, October 31, 2009
Sun editorial:
Warming now killing trees
Massive destruction in Western forests a graphic example of climate
change
[/quote]
•• Where is there proof of cause?
Since there is no proof, the Las Vegas
editorialist is either lying or is an ignorant
jackass. A year ago ±, I posted in these groups,
that those trees are 200+ years old and should
have been lumbered before the beetles could
get them.
The trees were dying 50 years ago before the
Beetles appeared
[quote]Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other
high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the
mountain pine beetle.
Pine trees that once spread gloriously over millions of acres are now
either dead or dying.
[/quote]
•• The blame lies with the environmentalists who
seem to think that everything in nature should
live for millennia just like the underbrush that
nature burns annually.
[quote]The beetle, not much bigger than a bedbug, is native to the West and
has always been known as a tree killer.
For centuries it has killed a few diseased trees here, a patch of
trees there, but never before has it caused destruction on the scale
being seen today.
U.S. Forest Service scientist Jesse Logan and other forest researchers
have discovered that the beetles are responding to higher average
temperatures by breeding almost nonstop.
[/quote]
•• They are breeding non-stop because they have
nesting places under the bark of dying 200
year old trees
[quote]
They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter
temperatures that once prevailed.
[/quote]
•• NONSENSE
[quote]The death of so many trees, which imperils the habitat of animals and
threatens catastrophic forest fires, is further evidence that the
planet is warming at an alarming rate.
[/quote]
•• Since the data shows that the globe has been
cooling for 10 years and that the global climate
over all had only warmed by less than 1 degree
Celsius in 150 years so the warming excuse is
a cop out.
[quote]
Appearing on a National Public Radio show this week, Logan said the
warming is not part of a natural cycle, as many climate-change deniers
insist.
[/quote]
•• ROTFLMAO - He is speaking of global
warming. Global warming is a myth and does
not exist. On the other hand "Climate Change"
is functioning as it has for 5 million years or
more.
[quote]
“It is directly our actions that are taking these forests out,” Logan
said.
[/quote]
•• It is just "their" past inactions that are taking
these forests out
[quote]Scientists around the world agree with Logan:
[/quote]
•• Only those scientists on government payrolls
would agree.
[quote]
Human activity, principally the burning of fossil fuels for energy, is
responsible for rapidly accelerating warming.
[/quote]
•• I wonder how the editorialist would explain
the below freezing temps in Denver. I guess
he is an AGW alarmist and will blame it on
burning "fossil" fuels.
"Burning fossil fuels" accounts for 100,000
tonnes of CO2. While photosynthetic
organisms convert around 100,000,000,000
tonnes of carbon (CO2) into biomass per year.
[quote]Worldwide consequences include the melting of polar ice
[/quote]
•• Only happens in the summertine.
[quote]and weird
weather, including shorter springs
[/quote]
•• longer winters, perhaps - I've experienced a
blizzard NYC in March that took me a month
to dig out.
[quote]and extended summers that cause
droughts.
[/quote]
•• What droughts???
I just realized that this turkey is pandering to
Sen Harry Reid
[quote]That is why Congress is nearing debate on a climate-change bill that
would cap the emissions of greenhouse gases from American industries
and set goals for converting to non-emitting power sources such as
solar and wind.
Greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide, trap heat in the atmosphere
that would otherwise escape harmlessly into space.
[/quote]
•• NONSENSE - CO2 has zero effect on the
atmosphere. We need all thge CO2 we can get,
it is essential for all life on the planet
[quote]It is imperative to pass this bill so more and bigger changes in
energy production can start immediately.
[/quote]
•• That bill will do nothing of that. Rather it is
another tax and spend rip off
–– ––
So far neither IPCC nor has anyone else provided
one iota of valid data for global warming nor have
they provided data that climate change is being
effected by commerce and industry, and not by
natural phenomena. |
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On 31 Oct, 17:24, Harry Hope <riv... at (no spam) ix.netcom.com> wrote:
[quote]http://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/oct/30/warming-now-killing-trees/
Saturday, October 31, 2009
Sun editorial:
Warming now killing trees
Massive destruction in Western forests a graphic example of climate
change
Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other
high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the
mountain pine beetle.
Pine trees that once spread gloriously over millions of acres are now
either dead or dying.
[/quote]
Of coursem "gloriously"m to be teamed with "majestic" no doubt. Why
do tree huggers always use the same emotionalised language?
[quote]
The beetle, not much bigger than a bedbug, is native to the West and
has always been known as a tree killer.
For centuries it has killed a few diseased trees here, a patch of
trees there, but never before has it caused destruction on the scale
being seen today.
U.S. Forest Service scientist Jesse Logan and other forest researchers
have discovered that the beetles are responding to higher average
temperatures by breeding almost nonstop.
They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter
temperatures that once prevailed.
The death of so many trees, which imperils the habitat of animals and
threatens catastrophic forest fires, is further evidence that the
planet is warming at an alarming rate.
Appearing on a National Public Radio show this week, Logan said the
warming is not part of a natural cycle, as many climate-change deniers
insist.
“It is directly our actions that are taking these forests out,” Logan
said.
Scientists around the world agree with Logan:
Human activity, principally the burning of fossil fuels for energy, is
responsible for rapidly accelerating warming.
Worldwide consequences include the melting of polar ice and weird
weather, including shorter springs and extended summers that cause
droughts.
[/quote]
Weird indeed. Meanwhile on the real worldm weather is just the same
as it always was.
[quote]
That is why Congress is nearing debate on a climate-change bill that
would cap the emissions of greenhouse gases from American industries
and set goals for converting to non-emitting power sources such as
solar and wind.
Greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide, trap heat in the atmosphere
that would otherwise escape harmlessly into space.
[/quote]
Greenhouse gases also re=emit solar IR energy back into space.
[quote]
It is imperative to pass this bill so more and bigger changes in
energy production can start immediately.
Those who deny the urgency should take a drive through the West.
_______________________________________________________
Harry
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Basiically a load or alarmist crap. |
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On 31 Oct, 19:00, Red Cloud <mmdir2... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 31, 8:24 am, Harry Hope <riv... at (no spam) ix.netcom.com> wrote:
http://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/oct/30/warming-now-killing-trees/
Saturday, October 31, 2009
Sun editorial:
Warming now killing trees
Massive destruction in Western forests a graphic example of climate
change
Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other
high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the
mountain pine beetle.
Pine trees that once spread gloriously over millions of acres are now
either dead or dying.
The beetle, not much bigger than a bedbug, is native to the West and
has always been known as a tree killer.
For centuries it has killed a few diseased trees here, a patch of
trees there, but never before has it caused destruction on the scale
being seen today.
U.S. Forest Service scientist Jesse Logan and other forest researchers
have discovered that the beetles are responding to higher average
temperatures by breeding almost nonstop.
They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter
temperatures that once prevailed.
The death of so many trees, which imperils the habitat of animals and
threatens catastrophic forest fires, is further evidence that the
planet is warming at an alarming rate.
Appearing on a National Public Radio show this week, Logan said the
warming is not part of a natural cycle, as many climate-change deniers
insist.
“It is directly our actions that are taking these forests out,” Logan
said.
Scientists around the world agree with Logan:
Human activity, principally the burning of fossil fuels for energy, is
responsible for rapidly accelerating warming.
Worldwide consequences include the melting of polar ice and weird
weather, including shorter springs and extended summers that cause
droughts.
That is why Congress is nearing debate on a climate-change bill that
would cap the emissions of greenhouse gases from American industries
and set goals for converting to non-emitting power sources such as
solar and wind.
Greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide, trap heat in the atmosphere
that would otherwise escape harmlessly into space.
It is imperative to pass this bill so more and bigger changes in
energy production can start immediately.
Those who deny the urgency should take a drive through the West.
_______________________________________________________
Harry
Greenhouse gases is heating up the area causing melting of ice. That's
why
Swiss has banned fossil fuel car over 5,000 feet in order to protect
their
glacier. They use electric motors up in Alpine street.
[/quote]
That is either a waste of time, it woldnt make any difference, or a
lie.
[quote]
In Southern CA, the last forest fire and brushfire was the worst one
ever...The fire was easy to spread out fast due to the wind and
warmed air. The effort of fire-fighter were futile.
[/quote]
Bull. There have always been fires. The reason they are so
destructive is that people no longer clear back te scrub in the
forest.
[quote]
I don't have to go to Rocky Mountain to see the destruction of the
trees...
I can visit here 3 of my favourite mountain bikepath are gone. Many
trees burnt
out blacken..- Hide quoted text -
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On Oct 31, 12:05 pm, matt_sykes <zzeb... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On 31 Oct, 19:00, Red Cloud <mmdir2... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 31, 8:24 am, Harry Hope <riv... at (no spam) ix.netcom.com> wrote:
http://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/oct/30/warming-now-killing-trees/
Saturday, October 31, 2009
Sun editorial:
Warming now killing trees
Massive destruction in Western forests a graphic example of climate
change
Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other
high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the
mountain pine beetle.
Pine trees that once spread gloriously over millions of acres are now
either dead or dying.
The beetle, not much bigger than a bedbug, is native to the West and
has always been known as a tree killer.
For centuries it has killed a few diseased trees here, a patch of
trees there, but never before has it caused destruction on the scale
being seen today.
U.S. Forest Service scientist Jesse Logan and other forest researchers
have discovered that the beetles are responding to higher average
temperatures by breeding almost nonstop.
They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter
temperatures that once prevailed.
The death of so many trees, which imperils the habitat of animals and
threatens catastrophic forest fires, is further evidence that the
planet is warming at an alarming rate.
Appearing on a National Public Radio show this week, Logan said the
warming is not part of a natural cycle, as many climate-change deniers
insist.
“It is directly our actions that are taking these forests out,” Logan
said.
Scientists around the world agree with Logan:
Human activity, principally the burning of fossil fuels for energy, is
responsible for rapidly accelerating warming.
Worldwide consequences include the melting of polar ice and weird
weather, including shorter springs and extended summers that cause
droughts.
That is why Congress is nearing debate on a climate-change bill that
would cap the emissions of greenhouse gases from American industries
and set goals for converting to non-emitting power sources such as
solar and wind.
Greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide, trap heat in the atmosphere
that would otherwise escape harmlessly into space.
It is imperative to pass this bill so more and bigger changes in
energy production can start immediately.
Those who deny the urgency should take a drive through the West.
_______________________________________________________
Harry
Greenhouse gases is heating up the area causing melting of ice. That's
why
Swiss has banned fossil fuel car over 5,000 feet in order to protect
their
glacier. They use electric motors up in Alpine street.
That is either a waste of time, it woldnt make any difference, or a
lie.
In Southern CA, the last forest fire and brushfire was the worst one
ever...The fire was easy to spread out fast due to the wind and
warmed air. The effort of fire-fighter were futile.
Bull. There have always been fires. The reason they are so
destructive is that people no longer clear back te scrub in the
forest.
I don't have to go to Rocky Mountain to see the destruction of the
trees...
I can visit here 3 of my favourite mountain bikepath are gone. Many
trees burnt
out blacken..- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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Not like now you filthy dickhead |
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Red Cloud wrote:
[quote]On Oct 31, 8:24 am, Harry Hope <riv... at (no spam) ix.netcom.com> wrote:
http://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/oct/30/warming-now-killing-trees/
Saturday, October 31, 2009
Sun editorial:
Warming now killing trees
Massive destruction in Western forests a graphic example of climate
change
Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other
high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the
mountain pine beetle.
Pine trees that once spread gloriously over millions of acres are now
either dead or dying.
The beetle, not much bigger than a bedbug, is native to the West and
has always been known as a tree killer.
For centuries it has killed a few diseased trees here, a patch of
trees there, but never before has it caused destruction on the scale
being seen today.
U.S. Forest Service scientist Jesse Logan and other forest researchers
have discovered that the beetles are responding to higher average
temperatures by breeding almost nonstop.
They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter
temperatures that once prevailed.
The death of so many trees, which imperils the habitat of animals and
threatens catastrophic forest fires, is further evidence that the
planet is warming at an alarming rate.
Appearing on a National Public Radio show this week, Logan said the
warming is not part of a natural cycle, as many climate-change deniers
insist.
“It is directly our actions that are taking these forests out,” Logan
said.
Scientists around the world agree with Logan:
Human activity, principally the burning of fossil fuels for energy, is
responsible for rapidly accelerating warming.
Worldwide consequences include the melting of polar ice and weird
weather, including shorter springs and extended summers that cause
droughts.
That is why Congress is nearing debate on a climate-change bill that
would cap the emissions of greenhouse gases from American industries
and set goals for converting to non-emitting power sources such as
solar and wind.
Greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide, trap heat in the atmosphere
that would otherwise escape harmlessly into space.
It is imperative to pass this bill so more and bigger changes in
energy production can start immediately.
Those who deny the urgency should take a drive through the West.
_______________________________________________________
Harry
Greenhouse gases is heating up the area causing melting of ice. That's
why
Swiss has banned fossil fuel car over 5,000 feet in order to protect
their
glacier. They use electric motors up in Alpine street.
[/quote]
That's funny, I was able to take the Gotthard pass this summer without
any problems. And, I did not receive a ticket.
[quote]
In Southern CA, the last forest fire and brushfire was the worst one
ever...The fire was easy to spread out fast due to the wind and
warmed air. The effort of fire-fighter were futile.
I don't have to go to Rocky Mountain to see the destruction of the
trees...
I can visit here 3 of my favourite mountain bikepath are gone. Many
trees burnt
out blacken..
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On Oct 31, 3:10 pm, Catoni <caton... at (no spam) sympatico.ca> wrote:
[quote]Harry Hopeless typed:
.........opinionated article from the popular press....
following a PBS propaganda piece
More Gorebull Warming lies. Those who study the
situation realize that it has nothing to do with gorebull Warming and
everything to do with bad modern forest management and tree harvesting
practices.
Like forest fires, bark beetles play an important role in
the natural life cycle of a forest. By attacking older or weakened
trees, bark beetles help hasten the development of younger forests.
We've always had droughts on and off, we've had warmer
tempratures before, such as during the Medeival Warm Period and the
Eemian, which was even warmer then now with the tree line two or three
hundred miles further north.
The pine bark beetle prefer trees that are around
eighty to ninety years old which is now what many of the trees left in
the forests are.
In the past, forest fires controlled the pine bark
beetle by burning large areas and the younger trees that grew in place
were not as favorable to the beetle. Now we fight these fires with
fire breaks and firefighting.
Trees damaged by lightning, hail, wind, fire, construction
or tree harvesting equipment, heavy pruning but manage to survive emit
odors that attract bark beetles.
The harvesting of trees for lumber and paper pulp has
cut huge swathes of forests down. Just use Google Earth to check for
yourself.
Zoom in on for instance, British Columbia, and as you
close in, you will see a sick forest that is a patchwork of harvesting
that looks like a disease from high up.
[/quote]
•• Bullshit
What you see are new young trees now able to
see the sun. Without CO2 and the sunshine they
can not grow
•• The trees in the Vegas Sun editorial, have been
sequestered and were old growth when Teddy
Roosevelt was president.
They are dying with or without the bark beetles.
•• As for that editorial -- The must of been toadying
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On Oct 31, 11:05 am, matt_sykes <zzeb... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On 31 Oct, 19:00, Red Cloud <mmdir2... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 31, 8:24 am, Harry Hope <riv... at (no spam) ix.netcom.com> wrote:
http://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/oct/30/warming-now-killing-trees/
Saturday, October 31, 2009
Sun editorial:
Warming now killing trees
Massive destruction in Western forests a graphic example of climate
change
Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other
high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the
mountain pine beetle.
Pine trees that once spread gloriously over millions of acres are now
either dead or dying.
The beetle, not much bigger than a bedbug, is native to the West and
has always been known as a tree killer.
For centuries it has killed a few diseased trees here, a patch of
trees there, but never before has it caused destruction on the scale
being seen today.
U.S. Forest Service scientist Jesse Logan and other forest researchers
have discovered that the beetles are responding to higher average
temperatures by breeding almost nonstop.
They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter
temperatures that once prevailed.
The death of so many trees, which imperils the habitat of animals and
threatens catastrophic forest fires, is further evidence that the
planet is warming at an alarming rate.
Appearing on a National Public Radio show this week, Logan said the
warming is not part of a natural cycle, as many climate-change deniers
insist.
“It is directly our actions that are taking these forests out,” Logan
said.
Scientists around the world agree with Logan:
Human activity, principally the burning of fossil fuels for energy, is
responsible for rapidly accelerating warming.
Worldwide consequences include the melting of polar ice and weird
weather, including shorter springs and extended summers that cause
droughts.
That is why Congress is nearing debate on a climate-change bill that
would cap the emissions of greenhouse gases from American industries
and set goals for converting to non-emitting power sources such as
solar and wind.
Greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide, trap heat in the atmosphere
that would otherwise escape harmlessly into space.
It is imperative to pass this bill so more and bigger changes in
energy production can start immediately.
Those who deny the urgency should take a drive through the West.
_______________________________________________________
Harry
Greenhouse gases is heating up the area causing melting of ice. That's
why
Swiss has banned fossil fuel car over 5,000 feet in order to protect
their
glacier. They use electric motors up in Alpine street.
That is either a waste of time, it woldnt make any difference, or a
lie.
[/quote]
It does surely make sense when you live in big city, the heat is
trapped in
greenhouse warming effect that raise temperature up than living in
open wild space where heat trapped does not happen. In Aphine, the
Greenhouse heat would trap by the surround mountain which melt the
glacier. So Swiss banned all gasoline
automobile. I saw the electric automobile they run through the city.
[quote]
In Southern CA, the last forest fire and brushfire was the worst one
ever...The fire was easy to spread out fast due to the wind and
warmed air. The effort of fire-fighter were futile.
Bull. There have always been fires. The reason they are so
destructive is that people no longer clear back te scrub in the
forest.
[/quote]
True there was always brushfire in Southern CA. The lastest one is
the worse
one ever. The air was hot and the wind was blowing so hard so easy
to spread the fire all over the forest area. The fire-fighter effort
was totally worthless to control it. I saw the sky the smoke
blowing up into atmosphere creating a giant mushroom cloud. I thought
the nuclear bomb was blown up. OH my god! Mass smokes created the
giant mushroom cloud. I've never seen that before... The fires were
burning for 10 days.
Yes it is getting worse...
[quote]
I don't have to go to Rocky Mountain to see the destruction of the
trees...
I can visit here 3 of my favourite mountain bikepath are gone. Many
trees burnt
out blacken..- Hide quoted text -
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On Oct 31, 10:39 pm, Red Cloud <mmdir2... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 31, 11:05 am, matt_sykes <zzeb... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On 31 Oct, 19:00, Red Cloud <mmdir2... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 31, 8:24 am, Harry Hope <riv... at (no spam) ix.netcom.com> wrote:
http://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/oct/30/warming-now-killing-trees/
Saturday, October 31, 2009
Sun editorial:
Warming now killing trees
Massive destruction in Western forests a graphic example of climate
change
Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other
high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the
mountain pine beetle.
Pine trees that once spread gloriously over millions of acres are now
either dead or dying.
The beetle, not much bigger than a bedbug, is native to the West and
has always been known as a tree killer.
For centuries it has killed a few diseased trees here, a patch of
trees there, but never before has it caused destruction on the scale
being seen today.
U.S. Forest Service scientist Jesse Logan and other forest researchers
have discovered that the beetles are responding to higher average
temperatures by breeding almost nonstop.
They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter
temperatures that once prevailed.
The death of so many trees, which imperils the habitat of animals and
threatens catastrophic forest fires, is further evidence that the
planet is warming at an alarming rate.
Appearing on a National Public Radio show this week, Logan said the
warming is not part of a natural cycle, as many climate-change deniers
insist.
“It is directly our actions that are taking these forests out,” Logan
said.
Scientists around the world agree with Logan:
Human activity, principally the burning of fossil fuels for energy, is
responsible for rapidly accelerating warming.
Worldwide consequences include the melting of polar ice and weird
weather, including shorter springs and extended summers that cause
droughts.
That is why Congress is nearing debate on a climate-change bill that
would cap the emissions of greenhouse gases from American industries
and set goals for converting to non-emitting power sources such as
solar and wind.
Greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide, trap heat in the atmosphere
that would otherwise escape harmlessly into space.
It is imperative to pass this bill so more and bigger changes in
energy production can start immediately.
Those who deny the urgency should take a drive through the West.
_______________________________________________________
Harry
Greenhouse gases is heating up the area causing melting of ice. That's
why
Swiss has banned fossil fuel car over 5,000 feet in order to protect
their
glacier. They use electric motors up in Alpine street.
That is either a waste of time, it woldnt make any difference, or a
lie.
It does surely make sense when you live in big city, the heat is
trapped in
greenhouse warming effect that raise temperature up than living in
open wild space where heat trapped does not happen. In Aphine, the
Greenhouse heat would trap by the surround mountain which melt the
glacier. So Swiss banned all gasoline
automobile. I saw the electric automobile they run through the city.
In Southern CA, the last forest fire and brushfire was the worst one
ever...The fire was easy to spread out fast due to the wind and
warmed air. The effort of fire-fighter were futile.
Bull. There have always been fires. The reason they are so
destructive is that people no longer clear back te scrub in the
forest.
True there was always brushfire in Southern CA. The lastest one is
the worse
one ever. The air was hot and the wind was blowing so hard so easy
to spread the fire all over the forest area. The fire-fighter effort
was totally worthless to control it. I saw the sky the smoke
blowing up into atmosphere creating a giant mushroom cloud. I thought
the nuclear bomb was blown up. OH my god! Mass smokes created the
giant mushroom cloud. I've never seen that before... The fires were
burning for 10 days.
Yes it is getting worse...
I don't have to go to Rocky Mountain to see the destruction of the
trees...
I can visit here 3 of my favourite mountain bikepath are gone. Many
trees burnt
out blacken..- Hide quoted text -
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On Oct 31, 10:39 pm, Red Cloud <mmdir2... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 31, 11:05 am, matt_sykes <zzeb... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On 31 Oct, 19:00, Red Cloud <mmdir2... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 31, 8:24 am, Harry Hope <riv... at (no spam) ix.netcom.com> wrote:
http://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/oct/30/warming-now-killing-trees/
Saturday, October 31, 2009
Sun editorial:
Warming now killing trees
Massive destruction in Western forests a graphic example of climate
change
Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other
high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the
mountain pine beetle.
Pine trees that once spread gloriously over millions of acres are now
either dead or dying.
The beetle, not much bigger than a bedbug, is native to the West and
has always been known as a tree killer.
For centuries it has killed a few diseased trees here, a patch of
trees there, but never before has it caused destruction on the scale
being seen today.
U.S. Forest Service scientist Jesse Logan and other forest researchers
have discovered that the beetles are responding to higher average
temperatures by breeding almost nonstop.
They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter
temperatures that once prevailed.
The death of so many trees, which imperils the habitat of animals and
threatens catastrophic forest fires, is further evidence that the
planet is warming at an alarming rate.
Appearing on a National Public Radio show this week, Logan said the
warming is not part of a natural cycle, as many climate-change deniers
insist.
“It is directly our actions that are taking these forests out,” Logan
said.
Scientists around the world agree with Logan:
Human activity, principally the burning of fossil fuels for energy, is
responsible for rapidly accelerating warming.
Worldwide consequences include the melting of polar ice and weird
weather, including shorter springs and extended summers that cause
droughts.
That is why Congress is nearing debate on a climate-change bill that
would cap the emissions of greenhouse gases from American industries
and set goals for converting to non-emitting power sources such as
solar and wind.
Greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide, trap heat in the atmosphere
that would otherwise escape harmlessly into space.
It is imperative to pass this bill so more and bigger changes in
energy production can start immediately.
Those who deny the urgency should take a drive through the West.
_______________________________________________________
Harry
Greenhouse gases is heating up the area causing melting of ice. That's
why
Swiss has banned fossil fuel car over 5,000 feet in order to protect
their
glacier. They use electric motors up in Alpine street.
That is either a waste of time, it woldnt make any difference, or a
lie.
It does surely make sense when you live in big city, the heat is
trapped in
greenhouse warming effect that raise temperature up than living in
open wild space where heat trapped does not happen. In Aphine, the
Greenhouse heat would trap by the surround mountain which melt the
glacier. So Swiss banned all gasoline
automobile. I saw the electric automobile they run through the city.
In Southern CA, the last forest fire and brushfire was the worst one
ever...The fire was easy to spread out fast due to the wind and
warmed air. The effort of fire-fighter were futile.
Bull. There have always been fires. The reason they are so
destructive is that people no longer clear back te scrub in the
forest.
True there was always brushfire in Southern CA. The lastest one is
the worse
one ever. The air was hot and the wind was blowing so hard so easy
to spread the fire all over the forest area. The fire-fighter effort
was totally worthless to control it. I saw the sky the smoke
blowing up into atmosphere creating a giant mushroom cloud. I thought
the nuclear bomb was blown up. OH my god! Mass smokes created the
giant mushroom cloud. I've never seen that before... The fires were
burning for 10 days.
Yes it is getting worse...
I don't have to go to Rocky Mountain to see the destruction of the
trees...
I can visit here 3 of my favourite mountain bikepath are gone. Many
trees burnt
out blacken..
[/quote]
•• Brush fires are a natural phenomenum by
which it clears out the dead underbrush,
permitting new growth to come up in the
spring. Environmental idiots pressured
California to leave the brush alone, so now
there is accumulated more dry brush fuel
so the fires are more intense and they start
to turn a brush fire into a forest fire.
•• Shoot an envronmentalist day "wood" be
very constructive. |
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