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On Nov 1, 4:01 pm, Al Bedo <alb... at (no spam) the.turn.of.the.century?> wrote:
[quote]Harry Hope wrote:
Warming now killing trees
Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other
high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the
mountain pine beetle.
They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter
temperatures that once prevailed.
Slight problem.
Presumably the pine beetle has gotten worse over the last decade
in the Rocky Mountains.
But winter temperatures have fallen over the last decade in the Rockies.
So perhaps it's cooling that is killing the trees.
(that's what the data indicates.)
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•• Your data is irrelevant
Most of those tree are 200 to 300 years old
and should have been selectively harvested
long ago. Now they are dying and the bark
beetles are feasting |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:33 pm |
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On Nov 1, 5:59 pm, gordo <grmerr... at (no spam) shaw.ca.remove> wrote:
[quote]On Sun, 01 Nov 2009 14:01:31 -0700, Al Bedo
alb... at (no spam) the.turn.of.the.century?> wrote:
Harry Hope wrote:
Warming now killing trees
Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other
high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the
mountain pine beetle.
They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter
temperatures that once prevailed.
Slight problem.
Presumably the pine beetle has gotten worse over the last decade
in the Rocky Mountains.
But winter temperatures have fallen over the last decade in the Rockies.
So perhaps it's cooling that is killing the trees.
(that's what the data indicates.)
You're obviously too busy to look at any actual data,
but here it is:
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/do_nmap.py?year_last=2009&m....
The link is broken but would not show a comparison between
temperatures and altitude and a comparison of altitude and pine beetle
damage.The outbreaks of pine beetle extend far from the Rockies.
How does climate change affect beetle populations?
http://www.pc.gc.ca/eng/docs/v-g/dpp-mpb/sec1/dpp-mpb1a.aspx
Cold winters have typically been a factor that control the spread of
mountain pine beetle, in addition to fire. A warming climate and mild
winters have allowed more mountain pine beetle to survive the winter
and go on to colonize new trees in the spring. Studies show that
warming trends over the past few decades have allowed beetles to move
into higher elevation areas and more northerly regions that were once
too cold for the beetle to survive. Such is the case in Jasper
National Park.
The above from the Canadian forest service.
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•• Same crap from above |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:36 pm |
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On Nov 2, 5:23 pm, Last Post <last_p... at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 31, 10:39 pm, Red Cloud <mmdir2... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 31, 11:05 am, matt_sykes <zzeb... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
On 31 Oct, 19:00, Red Cloud <mmdir2... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 31, 8:24 am, Harry Hope <riv... at (no spam) ix.netcom.com> wrote:
http://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2009/oct/30/warming-now-killing-trees/
Saturday, October 31, 2009
Sun editorial:
Warming now killing trees
Massive destruction in Western forests a graphic example of climate
change
Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other
high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the
mountain pine beetle.
Pine trees that once spread gloriously over millions of acres are now
either dead or dying.
The beetle, not much bigger than a bedbug, is native to the West and
has always been known as a tree killer.
For centuries it has killed a few diseased trees here, a patch of
trees there, but never before has it caused destruction on the scale
being seen today.
U.S. Forest Service scientist Jesse Logan and other forest researchers
have discovered that the beetles are responding to higher average
temperatures by breeding almost nonstop.
They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter
temperatures that once prevailed.
The death of so many trees, which imperils the habitat of animals and
threatens catastrophic forest fires, is further evidence that the
planet is warming at an alarming rate.
Appearing on a National Public Radio show this week, Logan said the
warming is not part of a natural cycle, as many climate-change deniers
insist.
“It is directly our actions that are taking these forests out,” Logan
said.
Scientists around the world agree with Logan:
Human activity, principally the burning of fossil fuels for energy, is
responsible for rapidly accelerating warming.
Worldwide consequences include the melting of polar ice and weird
weather, including shorter springs and extended summers that cause
droughts.
That is why Congress is nearing debate on a climate-change bill that
would cap the emissions of greenhouse gases from American industries
and set goals for converting to non-emitting power sources such as
solar and wind.
Greenhouse gases, such as carbon dioxide, trap heat in the atmosphere
that would otherwise escape harmlessly into space.
It is imperative to pass this bill so more and bigger changes in
energy production can start immediately.
Those who deny the urgency should take a drive through the West.
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Harry
Greenhouse gases is heating up the area causing melting of ice. That's
why
Swiss has banned fossil fuel car over 5,000 feet in order to protect
their
glacier. They use electric motors up in Alpine street.
That is either a waste of time, it woldnt make any difference, or a
lie.
It does surely make sense when you live in big city, the heat is
trapped in
greenhouse warming effect that raise temperature up than living in
open wild space where heat trapped does not happen. In Aphine, the
Greenhouse heat would trap by the surround mountain which melt the
glacier. So Swiss banned all gasoline
automobile. I saw the electric automobile they run through the city.
In Southern CA, the last forest fire and brushfire was the worst one
ever...The fire was easy to spread out fast due to the wind and
warmed air. The effort of fire-fighter were futile.
Bull. There have always been fires. The reason they are so
destructive is that people no longer clear back te scrub in the
forest.
True there was always brushfire in Southern CA. The lastest one is
the worse
one ever. The air was hot and the wind was blowing so hard so easy
to spread the fire all over the forest area. The fire-fighter effort
was totally worthless to control it. I saw the sky the smoke
blowing up into atmosphere creating a giant mushroom cloud. I thought
the nuclear bomb was blown up. OH my god! Mass smokes created the
giant mushroom cloud. I've never seen that before... The fires were
burning for 10 days.
Yes it is getting worse...
I don't have to go to Rocky Mountain to see the destruction of the
trees...
I can visit here 3 of my favourite mountain bikepath are gone. Many
trees burnt
out blacken..
•• Brush fires are a natural phenomenum by
which it clears out the dead underbrush,
permitting new growth to come up in the
spring. Environmental idiots pressured
California to leave the brush alone, so now
there is accumulated more dry brush fuel
so the fires are more intense and they start
to turn a brush fire into a forest fire.
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Pwhahaha...How stop at brushfire? Why not try mass houses fires?
House fire is natural. It replaces old house and provides an space and
opporutnity
to build new houses. Try hurricane. Katrina type of mass flooding.
[quote]•• Shoot an envronmentalist day "wood" be
very constructive.[/quote] |
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| tj Frazir... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:54 pm |
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Bugs kill trees because it dont rain because you put out all forest
fires so not enouph ash to rain.
150 million acresneads to burn evry year world wide. only 4 burns .
The sky is too clean to rain ..
Global warming failed 100 % when co2 failed to maintain the heat this
year.
The sky is 5.7 quadrillin tons and has 800 trillion tons of co2 and 2
trillion trees eat 1 ton year.
less rain more bugs ,,,dead trees ..untill
UNTILL the planet fixes it.
This planet will let the trees die untill a fire too big to put out and
lack of rain burns 300 million acres then the rain will put it all out.
green morons just want money for nothing
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:00 am |
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Sea temp changes when earth orbit is near satern.
Thats a two inch tide in a new direction evry 25 years.
It changes the shape of earth and causes quakes and the mid atlantic
belt to widen then contract .
its a cycle of sunspots and orbit cycles and how many vanalen belts w
have sunside.
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| tj Frazir... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:06 am |
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No one knows or talks about the plants only 6 billion farmable acres and
the world food shortages .
2000 cal per day 365 days is 1 farm acre no matter how or what .
1 person per year per farm acre .
7 billion people its tite.
In 10 years 10 billion people cant eat 2000 cal day.
One billion acre drought can wipe out 1/2 the years food cals fo the
world.
Then a class war world wide.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:33 am |
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On Nov 2, 11:36 pm, Red Cloud <mmdir2... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 2, 5:23 pm, Last Post <last_p... at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote:
•• Brush fires are a natural phenomenum by
which it clears out the dead underbrush,
permitting new growth to come up in the
spring. Environmental idiots pressured
California to leave the brush alone, so now
there is accumulated more dry brush fuel
so the fires are more intense and they start
to turn a brush fire into a forest fire.
Pwhahaha...How stop at brushfire? Why not try mass houses fires?
House fire is natural. It replaces old house and provides an space and
opporutnity
to build new houses. Try hurricane. Katrina type of mass flooding.
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•• Try seeing your neurosurgeon, you need a brain sheck
[quote]•• Shoot an envronmentalist day "wood" be
very constructive.[/quote] |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:47 am |
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On Nov 3, 8:33 am, Last Post <last_p... at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 2, 11:36 pm, Red Cloud <mmdir2... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 5:23 pm, Last Post <last_p... at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote:
•• Brush fires are a natural phenomenum by
which it clears out the dead underbrush,
permitting new growth to come up in the
spring. Environmental idiots pressured
California to leave the brush alone, so now
there is accumulated more dry brush fuel
so the fires are more intense and they start
to turn a brush fire into a forest fire.
Pwhahaha...How stop at brushfire? Why not try mass houses fires?
House fire is natural. It replaces old house and provides an space and
opporutnity
to build new houses. Try hurricane. Katrina type of mass flooding.
•• Try seeing your neurosurgeon, you need a brain sheck
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Did you meant that brushfire is naturally burnt? When the wind was
blowing
so hard in heat air, do you believe the spreading fire to other forest
is just natural?
Or climate disaster is just natural?
[quote]•• Shoot an envronmentalist day "wood" be
very constructive.
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:59 am |
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On Nov 3, 11:47 am, Red Cloud <mmdir2... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 3, 8:33 am, Last Post <last_p... at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote:
On Nov 2, 11:36 pm, Red Cloud <mmdir2... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 5:23 pm, Last Post <last_p... at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote:
•• Brush fires are a natural phenomenum by
which it clears out the dead underbrush,
permitting new growth to come up in the
spring. Environmental idiots pressured
California to leave the brush alone, so now
there is accumulated more dry brush fuel
so the fires are more intense and they start
to turn a brush fire into a forest fire.
Pwhahaha...How stop at brushfire? Why not try mass houses fires?
House fire is natural. It replaces old house and provides an space and
opporutnity
to build new houses. Try hurricane. Katrina type of mass flooding.
•• Try seeing your neurosurgeon, you need a brain check
Did you meant that brushfire is naturally burnt? When the wind was
blowing
so hard in heat air, do you believe the spreading fire to other forest
is just natural?
Or climate disaster is just natural?
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•• The current state: those areas that are not burnt
will be next autumn or the following if the
underbrush is not cut out asap. That does not
require up rooting, just pruning down to about
6- 9 inches. New growth will appear in the spring
and should be pruned in the fall.
•• The reason that the fires have got to the trees is
the huge quantities of fuel mostly upright to
create huge bonfires reaching up into the trees.
•• Shoot an envronmentalist day "wood" be
very constructive.
[quote]
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:23 pm |
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On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 08:47:41 -0800 (PST), Red Cloud <mmdir2005 at (no spam) yahoo.com>
wrote:
[quote]On Nov 3, 8:33Â am, Last Post <last_p... at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote:
On Nov 2, 11:36Â pm, Red Cloud <mmdir2... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 5:23Â pm, Last Post <last_p... at (no spam) primus.ca> wrote:
•• Brush fires are a natural phenomenum by
  which it clears out the dead underbrush,
  permitting new growth to come up in the
  spring. Environmental idiots pressured
  California to leave the brush alone, so now
  there is accumulated more dry brush fuel
  so the fires are more intense and they start
  to turn a brush fire into a forest fire.
 Pwhahaha...How stop at brushfire? Why not try mass houses fires?
House fire is natural. It replaces old house and provides an space and
opporutnity
 to build new houses.  Try  hurricane. Katrina type of mass flooding.
•• Try seeing your neurosurgeon, you need a brain sheck
Did you meant that brushfire is naturally burnt? When the wind was
blowing
so hard in heat air, do you believe the spreading fire to other forest
is just natural?
Or climate disaster is just natural?
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Wind doesn't blow without socialist Global Warming? |
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On Nov 1, 4:01 pm, Al Bedo <alb... at (no spam) the.turn.of.the.century?> wrote:
[quote]Harry Hope wrote:
Warming now killing trees
Anyone who has driven through the Rocky Mountains and other
high-altitude Western areas in recent months has seen the work of the
mountain pine beetle.
They are no longer being held in balance by the lower winter
temperatures that once prevailed.
Slight problem.
Presumably the pine beetle has gotten worse over the last decade
in the Rocky Mountains.
But winter temperatures have fallen over the last decade in the Rockies.
So perhaps it's cooling that is killing the trees.
(that's what the data indicates.)
[/quote]
•• that has some impact for sure but
those trees are dying of old age!! |
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