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| C.Tudor... |
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After all the fuss, govt health plan to cover few
Note in the article that there is a high probability that the current
"public option" of ObamaCare will produce a benefit to the Insurance
Industry.
Email your elected officials and ask them how much money they've
accepted from the Insurance Industry during the last five years:
--Anyone can make their opinion known:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/CONTACT/
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091031/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_care_public_plan
After all the fuss, govt health plan to cover few
By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON – What's all the fuss about? After all the noise over
Democrats' push for a government insurance plan to compete with private
carriers, coverage numbers are finally in: Two percent.
That's the estimated share of Americans younger than 65 who'd sign up
for the public option plan under the health care bill that Speaker Nancy
Pelosi, D-Calif., is steering toward House approval.
The underwhelming statistic is raising questions about whether the
government plan will be the iron-fisted competitor that private insurers
warn will shut them down or a niche operator that becomes a haven for
patients with health insurance horror stories.
Some experts are wondering if lawmakers have wasted too much time
arguing about the public plan, giving short shrift to basics such as
ensuring that new coverage will be affordable.
"The public option is a significant issue, but its place in the debate
is completely out of proportion to its actual importance to consumers,"
said Drew Altman, president of the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation.
"It has sucked all the oxygen out of the room and diverted attention
from bread-and-butter consumer issues, such as affordable coverage and
comprehensive benefits."
The Democratic health care bills would extend coverage to the uninsured
by providing government help with premiums and prohibiting insurers from
excluding people in poor health or charging them more. But to keep from
piling more on the federal deficit, most of the uninsured will have to
wait until 2013 for help. Even then, many will have to pay a significant
share of their own health care costs.
The latest look at the public option comes from the Congressional Budget
Office, the nonpartisan economic analysts for lawmakers.
It found that the scaled back government plan in the House bill wouldn't
overtake private health insurance. To the contrary, it might help the
insurers a little.
The budget office estimated that about 6 million people would sign up
for the public option in 2019, when the House bill is fully phased in.
That represents about 2 percent of a total of 282 million Americans
under age 65. (Older people are covered through Medicare.)
The overwhelming majority of the population would remain in private
health insurance plans sponsored by employers. Others, mainly low-income
people, would be covered through an expanded Medicaid program.
To be fair, most people would not have access to the new public plan.
Under the House bill, it would be offered through new insurance
exchanges open only to those who buy coverage on their own or work for
small companies. Yet even within that pool of 30 million people, only
1-in-5 would take the public option.
Who's likely to sign up?
The budget office said "a less healthy pool of enrollees" would probably
be attracted to the public option, drawn by the prospect of looser rules
on access to specialists and medical services.
As a result, premiums in the public plan would be higher than the
average for private plans. That could nudge healthy middle-class workers
and their families to sign up for private plans.
"The concern was that the public option would destabilize the bulk of
private insurance, but in fact what Congress has fashioned is very
targeted," said economist Karen Davis, president of the Commonwealth
Fund. "It's not going to be taking away the insurance industry's core
business."
It's unclear whether there are enough votes in the Senate for a public
plan. The version that Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has offered
would let states opt out, probably leaving a smaller plan than the House
would want.
Insurers aren't buying the budget office analysis. Asked if it might
soften that opposition, industry spokesman Robert Zirkelbach of
America's Health Insurance Plans responded with a curt "No."
While a government plan might start out modestly, insurers fear that
Congress could change the rules later, opening it up to all people and
setting take-it-or-leave payments for hospitals and medical providers,
instead of negotiating, as the House bill calls for.
For the same reason, employer groups also remain wary. Big companies
don't want to lose control of their health care budgets and instead have
the government send them a tax bill.
"That cost is going to come back to you one way or another ... and it's
coming back in the way of taxes and liabilities," said Eastman Kodak's
chief executive, Antonio M. Perez, speaking for the Business Roundtable.
"We just don't believe that there are miracles out there."
If Congress passes a public plan that's not much of a sensation,
Democrats might have reason to regret all the time and energy they
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| r wiley... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:24 pm |
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"C.Tudor" <charlestudor at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message news:4aeccd5f$0$28761$bd467cd0 at (no spam) news.dslextreme.com...
[quote]After all the fuss, govt health plan to cover few
Note in the article that there is a high probability that the current "public option" of ObamaCare will produce a benefit to the
Insurance Industry.
Email your elected officials and ask them how much money they've accepted from the Insurance Industry during the last five years:
--Anyone can make their opinion known:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/CONTACT/
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml
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The "public option" is a scam. It provides the insurance companies with
a dumping ground for people likely to need expensive care. Anyone
serious about universal health care should be backing HR676, Enhanced
Universal Medicare. It covers the uninsured, and solves Medicare's
problem, that is, that people currently on Medicare are subject to the
infirmities of age. To avoid going insolvent, Medicare must be expanded
to include the young who are generally healthy.
That is what Obama claimed to support in 2003, and what he claimed
would happen whan Democrats "took back" the White House, the
House of Representatives, and the Senate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAyan1fXCE
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| Mason C... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:30 pm |
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:24:04 -0500, "r wiley" <rawiley at (no spam) southslope.net> wrote:
[quote]That is what Obama claimed to support in 2003, and what he claimed
would happen whan Democrats "took back" the White House, the
House of Representatives, and the Senate.
[/quote]
But the Democrats have not taken back the Senate. The Senate
Republicans can stop any bill they do not like and certainly any
bill that might help Obama.
The "war against terror" should focus on the Senate, not on
Afghanistan. |
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| Clave... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:40 pm |
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"Mason C" <masoncXXX at (no spam) XXXfrontal-lobe.info> wrote in message
news:o37qe518j5huctk4s3mfu6n2p29igol9i3 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
[quote]On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:24:04 -0500, "r wiley" <rawiley at (no spam) southslope.net
wrote:
That is what Obama claimed to support in 2003, and what he claimed
would happen whan Democrats "took back" the White House, the
House of Representatives, and the Senate.
But the Democrats have not taken back the Senate. The Senate
Republicans can stop any bill they do not like and certainly any
bill that might help Obama.
[/quote]
You don't understand much about how the Senate works.
The only thing standing in the way of the Democrats passing whatever the
fuck they want is the Democrats.
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| r wiley... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:04 pm |
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"Mason C" <masoncXXX at (no spam) XXXfrontal-lobe.info> wrote in message news:o37qe518j5huctk4s3mfu6n2p29igol9i3 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
[quote]On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:24:04 -0500, "r wiley" <rawiley at (no spam) southslope.net> wrote:
[/quote]
"C.Tudor" <charlestudor at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message news:4aeccd5f$0$28761$bd467cd0 at (no spam) news.dslextreme.com...
[quote]After all the fuss, govt health plan to cover few
Note in the article that there is a high probability that the current "public option" of ObamaCare will produce a benefit to the
Insurance Industry.
Email your elected officials and ask them how much money they've accepted from the Insurance Industry during the last five years:
--Anyone can make their opinion known:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/CONTACT/
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml
---
[/quote]
The "public option" is a scam. It provides the insurance companies with
a dumping ground for people likely to need expensive care. Anyone
serious about universal health care should be backing HR676, Enhanced
Universal Medicare. It covers the uninsured, and solves Medicare's
problem, that is, that people currently on Medicare are subject to the
infirmities of age. To avoid going insolvent, Medicare must be expanded
to include the young who are generally healthy.
[quote]That is what Obama claimed to support in 2003, and what he claimed
would happen whan Democrats "took back" the White House, the
House of Representatives, and the Senate.
But the Democrats have not taken back the Senate. The Senate
Republicans can stop any bill they do not like and certainly any
bill that might help Obama.
The "war against terror" should focus on the Senate, not on
Afghanistan.
[/quote]
I am absolutely certain of two things.
1. Democrats have taken the senate.
2. You are a liar.
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| No_He_Can_Not... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:16 pm |
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r wiley wrote:
[quote]"C.Tudor" <charlestudor at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message news:4aeccd5f$0$28761$bd467cd0 at (no spam) news.dslextreme.com...
After all the fuss, govt health plan to cover few
Note in the article that there is a high probability that the current "public option" of ObamaCare will produce a benefit to the
Insurance Industry.
Email your elected officials and ask them how much money they've accepted from the Insurance Industry during the last five years:
--Anyone can make their opinion known:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/CONTACT/
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml
---
The "public option" is a scam. It provides the insurance companies with
a dumping ground for people likely to need expensive care. Anyone
serious about universal health care should be backing HR676, Enhanced
Universal Medicare. It covers the uninsured, and solves Medicare's
problem, that is, that people currently on Medicare are subject to the
infirmities of age. To avoid going insolvent, Medicare must be expanded
to include the young who are generally healthy.
That is what Obama claimed to support in 2003, and what he claimed
would happen whan Democrats "took back" the White House, the
House of Representatives, and the Senate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpAyan1fXCE
rw
Why not just use the rest of that stimulus money that is not being spent[/quote]
to cove all the people that have no insurance? It would be good use of
it. Less than 40 billion a year would cover all uninsured.
This is not about health care it is about obama getting revenge for his
Islamic brothers and the poor black slaves . Where are these slaves ?
I've seen his brothers on the news all time bombing everyone but seen no
slaves at all. |
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| Mason C... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:29 pm |
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On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:04:30 -0600, "r wiley" <rawiley at (no spam) southslope.net> wrote:
[quote]
"Mason C" <masoncXXX at (no spam) XXXfrontal-lobe.info> wrote in message news:o37qe518j5huctk4s3mfu6n2p29igol9i3 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:24:04 -0500, "r wiley" <rawiley at (no spam) southslope.net> wrote:
"C.Tudor" <charlestudor at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message news:4aeccd5f$0$28761$bd467cd0 at (no spam) news.dslextreme.com...
After all the fuss, govt health plan to cover few
Note in the article that there is a high probability that the current "public option" of ObamaCare will produce a benefit to the
Insurance Industry.
Email your elected officials and ask them how much money they've accepted from the Insurance Industry during the last five years:
--Anyone can make their opinion known:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/CONTACT/
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml
---
The "public option" is a scam. It provides the insurance companies with
a dumping ground for people likely to need expensive care. Anyone
serious about universal health care should be backing HR676, Enhanced
Universal Medicare. It covers the uninsured, and solves Medicare's
problem, that is, that people currently on Medicare are subject to the
infirmities of age. To avoid going insolvent, Medicare must be expanded
to include the young who are generally healthy.
That is what Obama claimed to support in 2003, and what he claimed
would happen whan Democrats "took back" the White House, the
House of Representatives, and the Senate.
But the Democrats have not taken back the Senate. The Senate
Republicans can stop any bill they do not like and certainly any
bill that might help Obama.
The "war against terror" should focus on the Senate, not on
Afghanistan.
I am absolutely certain of two things.
1. Democrats have taken the senate.
2. You are a liar.
rw
The Senate Republicans can stop any bill they do not like and certainly any
bill that might help Obama. The Democrats do not have the Senate.
"you are a liar" is the logical argument of a fool. go away[/quote] |
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| r wiley... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:20 am |
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"Mason C" <masoncXXX at (no spam) XXXfrontal-lobe.info> wrote in message news:tbdse5hutmmdjbbrvdc3nrhd1lrnb46o5k at (no spam) 4ax.com...
[quote]On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 16:04:30 -0600, "r wiley" <rawiley at (no spam) southslope.net> wrote:
"Mason C" <masoncXXX at (no spam) XXXfrontal-lobe.info> wrote in message news:o37qe518j5huctk4s3mfu6n2p29igol9i3 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:24:04 -0500, "r wiley" <rawiley at (no spam) southslope.net> wrote:
"C.Tudor" <charlestudor at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message news:4aeccd5f$0$28761$bd467cd0 at (no spam) news.dslextreme.com...
After all the fuss, govt health plan to cover few
Note in the article that there is a high probability that the current "public option" of ObamaCare will produce a benefit to the
Insurance Industry.
Email your elected officials and ask them how much money they've accepted from the Insurance Industry during the last five
years:
--Anyone can make their opinion known:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/CONTACT/
http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml
---
The "public option" is a scam. It provides the insurance companies with
a dumping ground for people likely to need expensive care. Anyone
serious about universal health care should be backing HR676, Enhanced
Universal Medicare. It covers the uninsured, and solves Medicare's
problem, that is, that people currently on Medicare are subject to the
infirmities of age. To avoid going insolvent, Medicare must be expanded
to include the young who are generally healthy.
That is what Obama claimed to support in 2003, and what he claimed
would happen whan Democrats "took back" the White House, the
House of Representatives, and the Senate.
But the Democrats have not taken back the Senate. The Senate
Republicans can stop any bill they do not like and certainly any
bill that might help Obama.
The "war against terror" should focus on the Senate, not on
Afghanistan.
I am absolutely certain of two things.
1. Democrats have taken the senate.
2. You are a liar.
rw
The Senate Republicans can stop any bill they do not like and certainly any
bill that might help Obama. The Democrats do not have the Senate.
"you are a liar" is the logical argument of a fool. go away
[/quote]
"You are a liar" is not an argument. It is a statement of indisputable fact. Look
back up the thread. You lied that the Democrats have not taken the Senate.
That is not an error. You know better. You lied. In 2003 when Obama said
the Republican Senate was part of the problem, there were 51 Republicans in
the Senate. The 2009 Senate contains 59 self proclaimed Democrats.
The 2009 Senate contains one Democrat Senator who calls himself an independant
and a Socialist Senator who calls himself an Independant. Both ostensible "Independants"
voted with the Democrat caucus on Senate heirarchy and committee assignments.
rw |
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| Michael Coburn... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:24 am |
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:40:19 -0700, Clave wrote:
[quote]"Mason C" <masoncXXX at (no spam) XXXfrontal-lobe.info> wrote in message
news:o37qe518j5huctk4s3mfu6n2p29igol9i3 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:24:04 -0500, "r wiley" <rawiley at (no spam) southslope.net
wrote:
That is what Obama claimed to support in 2003, and what he claimed
would happen whan Democrats "took back" the White House, the House of
Representatives, and the Senate.
But the Democrats have not taken back the Senate. The Senate
Republicans can stop any bill they do not like and certainly any bill
that might help Obama.
You don't understand much about how the Senate works.
The only thing standing in the way of the Democrats passing whatever the
fuck they want is the Democrats.
[/quote]
It is _YOU_ who seem to misunderstand:
The Democratic votes in the Senate number 58. That is the total votes
with "D" beside their name. Joe LIEberman is _NOT_ a Democrat. It takes
60 votes to get past the brain dead locked step Republican fascists
unless the Democrats _CHANGE_ how the Senate works.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/9/17/783228/-Reconciliation-Is-Not-
Necessary
So the bottom line remains the same: The only thing stopping the
Democrats from passing Health care reform with a good Public Option is
the Democrats.
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| Clave... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:41 am |
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"Michael Coburn" <mikcob at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote in message
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[quote]On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:40:19 -0700, Clave wrote:
"Mason C" <masoncXXX at (no spam) XXXfrontal-lobe.info> wrote in message
news:o37qe518j5huctk4s3mfu6n2p29igol9i3 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:24:04 -0500, "r wiley" <rawiley at (no spam) southslope.net
wrote:
That is what Obama claimed to support in 2003, and what he claimed
would happen whan Democrats "took back" the White House, the House of
Representatives, and the Senate.
But the Democrats have not taken back the Senate. The Senate
Republicans can stop any bill they do not like and certainly any bill
that might help Obama.
You don't understand much about how the Senate works.
The only thing standing in the way of the Democrats passing whatever the
fuck they want is the Democrats.
It is _YOU_ who seem to misunderstand:
[/quote]
Let's see about that.
[quote]The Democratic votes in the Senate number 58. That is the total votes
with "D" beside their name. Joe LIEberman is _NOT_ a Democrat. It takes
60 votes to get past the brain dead locked step Republican fascists
unless the Democrats _CHANGE_ how the Senate works.
[/quote]
Semantic piffle, and I don't get the hostility.
There are two different types of rules the Senate operates under -- those
dictated by the Constitution, and those which are self-imposed and carry
over from one session to another only by virtue of convention.
I'm quite aware that cloture is an example of the latter, and the number of
votes required for it could be (and has been in the past) changed with very
little effort by a simple majority.
[quote]http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/9/17/783228/-Reconciliation-Is-Not-
Necessary
So the bottom line remains the same: The only thing stopping the
Democrats from passing Health care reform with a good Public Option is
the Democrats.
[/quote]
That's what I fucking said in the first place.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:18 am |
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On Nov 2, 1:24 am, Michael Coburn <mik... at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:
[quote]It is _YOU_ who seem to misunderstand:
The Democratic votes in the Senate number 58. That is the total votes
with "D" beside their name. Joe LIEberman is _NOT_ a Democrat. It takes
60 votes to get past the brain dead locked step Republican fascists
unless the Democrats _CHANGE_ how the Senate works.
[/quote]
Remember folks, THIS is the "bi-partisanship" that liberals offer.
Somehow I don't remember this guy crying so much when the democrat
party was filibustering Bush's judicial nominees. |
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| AZDuffman... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:38 am |
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| AZDuffman... |
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On Nov 2, 2:10 pm, Michael Coburn <mik... at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:
[quote]The Senate contains 58 Democrats, two independents, and 40 Lock step
screech monkeys called Republicans.
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Halarious! When the Dems vote together this loser calls it "party
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| Poetic Justice... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:04 pm |
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AZDuffman wrote:
[quote]On Nov 2, 1:24 am, Michael Coburn <mik... at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:
It is _YOU_ who seem to misunderstand:
The Democratic votes in the Senate number 58. That is the total votes
with "D" beside their name. Joe LIEberman is _NOT_ a Democrat. It takes
60 votes to get past the brain dead locked step Republican fascists
unless the Democrats _CHANGE_ how the Senate works.
Remember folks, THIS is the "bi-partisanship" that liberals offer.
[/quote]
You are confused, they offered "Bipolar-Socialists", which is what we
have. Obama says he's a capitalist while his actions says he's a
Socialist. |
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| John Galt... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:41 pm |
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AZDuffman wrote:
[quote]On Nov 2, 1:24 am, Michael Coburn <mik... at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:
It is _YOU_ who seem to misunderstand:
The Democratic votes in the Senate number 58. That is the total votes
with "D" beside their name. Joe LIEberman is _NOT_ a Democrat. It takes
60 votes to get past the brain dead locked step Republican fascists
unless the Democrats _CHANGE_ how the Senate works.
Remember folks, THIS is the "bi-partisanship" that liberals offer.
Somehow I don't remember this guy crying so much when the democrat
party was filibustering Bush's judicial nominees.
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Quite. If the Demosocialists can't get to 60, even with their margins,
it's the fault of the legislation, not with the process.
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