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| Jesse F. Hughes... |
 Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:29 am |
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Charlie-Boo <shymathguy at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
[quote]People have been calling it that for years. Why would someone spell
out the sub-title and why would us die-hard MUMPS programmers say "The
MUMPS Book ..." when talking about MUMPS? They call it "Charlie's
Book" or "The Advanced MUMPS Text" or “Handbook of Efficiency
Techniques” or “HOET”.
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You know, it's funny. I searched the web for "Handbook of Efficiency
Techniques". Doesn't take long. Just 16 hits. Every hit used the
word MUMPS in the title, aside from your posts here and another post
you made at http://objectmix.com.
[quote]See my earlier references to quotes from fans who surround me at
computer conferences.
[/quote]
Somehow, your reports of how well-loved you are don't seem all that
persuasive to me. Here's the only Usenet review of the book I've
found.
Beyond there being a _reason_ for it being the "last known copy",
note that _tHoMET_ is from the early-early 1980s (late 1970s?) and
was out of date/inaccurate within months of it being published.
Such efficiency techniques of 'use one letter variable names because
they are special-cased for faster lookups' may have been true for
some early versions of MUMPS, but by 1982 I know _explicitly_ that
neither of the then-modern versions of MUMPS that "technique" was
directed act did that any more.
However, having a PDF version might be fun for a laugh now and then.
(From a 2003 thread found at
http://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.mumps/browse_frm/thread/1abdbadd49e43de8/fe9469092540af20?q="handbook+of+efficiency+techniques"#fe9469092540af20)
To be fair, other posters in the thread do not have a negative opinion
of the text. They have no opinion at all, because they have either
never seen it or forgotten it entirely.
On the other hand, there is a single, anonymous Amazon.com review.
That review is positively glowing. Anonymous netizens seem to love
you. Also, the MUMPS FAQ is also approving of the book, and says, "If
you need to finetune an existing application or create a new one, this
book's for you!" Let's call the online reaction mixed.
[quote]How many books have you written or autographs have you given? Are
you just jealous? I spent 2 years writing that book and the nice
programmers at hospitals are almost unanimous in their praise, while
the psychotic professors and their students are not about to give
anyone outside of their species anything.
[/quote]
I've written no books and I don't claim to be a better or more
influential author than you.
--
Jesse F. Hughes
"There's absolutely no information here."
-- Hank Hill, on blogging and information theory. |
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| Jesse F. Hughes... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:17 pm |
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Charlie-Boo <shymathguy at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
[quote]On Nov 4, 11:29 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je... at (no spam) phiwumbda.org> wrote:
Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
People have been calling it that for years. Why would someone spell
out the sub-title and why would us die-hard MUMPS programmers say "The
MUMPS Book ..." when talking about MUMPS? They call it "Charlie's
Book" or "The Advanced MUMPS Text" or ``Handbook of Efficiency
Techniques" or ``HOET".
You know, it's funny. I searched the web for "Handbook of Efficiency
Techniques". Doesn't take long. Just 16 hits. Every hit used the
word MUMPS in the title, aside from your posts here and another post
you made athttp://objectmix.com.
The others are book dealers who are using its full name, of course,
which proves my point: when used in discussions people use the
abbreviated name - just as they refer to Wolfram's book as ANKS.
[/quote]
Just to be clear: a google search on
"HOET" mumps programming -virus -disease -rubella
brings up five hits. The only relevant hit is your post in this
thread.
Substituting "computer" for "programming" does no better. Nor does
"efficiency" or "techniques".
It seems your fan base doesn't use the internet.
--
Jesse F. Hughes
"The future is a fascinating thing, and so is history. And you people
are a fascinating part of history, for those in the future."
-- James S. Harris is fascinating, too |
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| Jesse F. Hughes... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:37 pm |
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Charlie-Boo <shymathguy at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
[quote]On Nov 4, 1:17 pm, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je... at (no spam) phiwumbda.org> wrote:
Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
On Nov 4, 11:29 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je... at (no spam) phiwumbda.org> wrote:
Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
People have been calling it that for years. Why would someone spell
out the sub-title and why would us die-hard MUMPS programmers say "The
MUMPS Book ..." when talking about MUMPS? They call it "Charlie's
Book" or "The Advanced MUMPS Text" or ``Handbook of Efficiency
Techniques" or ``HOET".
You know, it's funny. I searched the web for "Handbook of Efficiency
Techniques". Doesn't take long. Just 16 hits. Every hit used the
word MUMPS in the title, aside from your posts here and another post
you made athttp://objectmix.com.
The others are book dealers who are using its full name, of course,
which proves my point: when used in discussions people use the
abbreviated name - just as they refer to Wolfram's book as ANKS.
Just to be clear: a google search on
"HOET" mumps programming -virus -disease -rubella
brings up five hits. The only relevant hit is your post in this
thread.
Substituting "computer" for "programming" does no better. Nor does
"efficiency" or "techniques".
It seems your fan base doesn't use the internet.
Search MUMPS HANDBOOK and there's millions.
[/quote]
Er, right. But that's exactly what I said was odd about your
reference: you left out the word "MUMPS". (And, in any case, not all
of the hits are reference to your book.)
Anyway, this discussion has gotten a bit silly. I never said that
your book isn't influential among the MUMPS community. I honestly
have no idea of its influence. I only said that you inflated the
apparent scope of the book by referring to it as "the Handbook of
Efficiency Techniques" -- and also that it's pretty silly to call it
your first book when it is your only published book.
[quote]
Post it on any MUMPS discussion board - or on all of at least 3 or 4.
Ask if anyone has heard of or read my book and what their opinion of
it is.
[/quote]
Well, the 2003 thread I mentioned provides some small anecdotal
evidence, no? One bad review and the remainder of posters had no
familiarity with the text. (There is one positive anonymous review
on Amazon and one complimentary mention in the MUMPS FAQ, so I'm not
suggesting that the general reception is negative.)
[quote]Sorry - you're a waste of space.
[/quote]
Surely.
--
Jesse F. Hughes
"Casting [Demi] Moore as a woman who has come to the New World so that
she can 'worship without fear or persecution' in _The_Scarlet_Letter_
is like casting Bruce Willis as Young Rene Descartes." -Joe Queenan |
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| Charlie-Boo... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 2:58 pm |
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On Nov 4, 11:29 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je... at (no spam) phiwumbda.org> wrote:
[quote]Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
People have been calling it that for years. Why would someone spell
out the sub-title and why would us die-hard MUMPS programmers say "The
MUMPS Book ..." when talking about MUMPS? They call it "Charlie's
Book" or "The Advanced MUMPS Text" or “Handbook of Efficiency
Techniques” or “HOET”.
You know, it's funny. I searched the web for "Handbook of Efficiency
Techniques". Doesn't take long. Just 16 hits. Every hit used the
word MUMPS in the title, aside from your posts here and another post
you made athttp://objectmix.com.
See my earlier references to quotes from fans who surround me at
computer conferences.
Somehow, your reports of how well-loved you are don't seem all that
persuasive to me. Here's the only Usenet review of the book I've
found.
Beyond there being a _reason_ for it being the "last known copy",
note that _tHoMET_ is from the early-early 1980s (late 1970s?) and
was out of date/inaccurate within months of it being published.
Such efficiency techniques of 'use one letter variable names because
they are special-cased for faster lookups' may have been true for
some early versions of MUMPS, but by 1982 I know _explicitly_ that
neither of the then-modern versions of MUMPS that "technique" was
directed act did that any more.
However, having a PDF version might be fun for a laugh now and then.
(From a 2003 thread found athttp://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.mumps/browse_frm/thread/1abd..."handbook+of+efficiency+techniques"#fe9469092540af20)
To be fair, other posters in the thread do not have a negative opinion
of the text. They have no opinion at all, because they have either
never seen it or forgotten it entirely.
[/quote]
How do you know they have never seen it or forgotten about it
entirely? That is a false conclusion.
There is exactly one indication of someone not being familiar with it,
from Mary Rose. All 3 are enthusiastic about it:
Rob Tweed: “Why not make it available to even more cyberfriends,
Charlie, by uploading it to our Utility Library - see www.mgateway.com”
John K Mitchell : “Let us put it on the camta.net site  ”
Mary Rose Hoare: “A handbook of efficiency techniques certainly
sounds interesting. How would I get a copy? If even one of Charlie's
techniques turned out to be useful or just gave me a new idea it could
save a lot.”
Then there are two quotations cited:
"Charlie's book is still the best source for efficiency techniques in
MUMPS."
- Fred Hiltz
"It's well-known that (Charlie's book) is a standard resource for
MUMPS programmers."
- Karl at Lovelace
It's exactly what I said - only Ben was negative - and see how badly
he attacks it? It is a personal thing with him. When I ask for
examples of implementation-specific material beyond the 5 out of 125
techniques in the appendix, he has none. He has no technical points.
Yet he repeats it. Now, who does that sound like? (Hint:
SCI.LOGIC.) Only one person has that attitude in this discussion.
You are not being honest.
C-B
[quote]On the other hand, there is a single, anonymous Amazon.com review.
That review is positively glowing. Anonymous netizens seem to love
you. Also, the MUMPS FAQ is also approving of the book, and says, "If
you need to finetune an existing application or create a new one, this
book's for you!" Let's call the online reaction mixed.
How many books have you written or autographs have you given? Are
you just jealous? I spent 2 years writing that book and the nice
programmers at hospitals are almost unanimous in their praise, while
the psychotic professors and their students are not about to give
anyone outside of their species anything.
I've written no books and I don't claim to be a better or more
influential author than you.
--
Jesse F. Hughes
"There's absolutely no information here."
-- Hank Hill, on blogging and information theory.[/quote] |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:08 pm |
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On Nov 4, 2:37 pm, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je... at (no spam) phiwumbda.org> wrote:
[quote]Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
On Nov 4, 1:17 pm, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je... at (no spam) phiwumbda.org> wrote:
Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
On Nov 4, 11:29 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je... at (no spam) phiwumbda.org> wrote:
Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
People have been calling it that for years. Why would someone spell
out the sub-title and why would us die-hard MUMPS programmers say "The
MUMPS Book ..." when talking about MUMPS? They call it "Charlie's
Book" or "The Advanced MUMPS Text" or ``Handbook of Efficiency
Techniques" or ``HOET".
You know, it's funny. I searched the web for "Handbook of Efficiency
Techniques". Doesn't take long. Just 16 hits. Every hit used the
word MUMPS in the title, aside from your posts here and another post
you made athttp://objectmix.com.
The others are book dealers who are using its full name, of course,
which proves my point: when used in discussions people use the
abbreviated name - just as they refer to Wolfram's book as ANKS.
Just to be clear: a google search on
"HOET" mumps programming -virus -disease -rubella
brings up five hits. The only relevant hit is your post in this
thread.
Substituting "computer" for "programming" does no better. Nor does
"efficiency" or "techniques".
It seems your fan base doesn't use the internet.
Search MUMPS HANDBOOK and there's millions.
Er, right. But that's exactly what I said was odd about your
reference: you left out the word "MUMPS".
[/quote]
That is the same phrase used to describe my book by both myself and
Mary Rose in the thread you quote: "Handbook of Efficiency
Techniques". Why is it suddenly odd?
You have taken attacking the messenger (ad hominem) to an art form.
How about if we start talking about Mathematical Logic? Just a
little? :)
C-B
[quote] (And, in any case, not all
of the hits are reference to your book.)
Anyway, this discussion has gotten a bit silly. I never said that
your book isn't influential among the MUMPS community. I honestly
have no idea of its influence. I only said that you inflated the
apparent scope of the book by referring to it as "the Handbook of
Efficiency Techniques" -- and also that it's pretty silly to call it
your first book when it is your only published book.
Post it on any MUMPS discussion board - or on all of at least 3 or 4.
Ask if anyone has heard of or read my book and what their opinion of
it is.
Well, the 2003 thread I mentioned provides some small anecdotal
evidence, no? One bad review and the remainder of posters had no
familiarity with the text. (There is one positive anonymous review
on Amazon and one complimentary mention in the MUMPS FAQ, so I'm not
suggesting that the general reception is negative.)
Sorry - you're a waste of space.
Surely.
--
Jesse F. Hughes
"Casting [Demi] Moore as a woman who has come to the New World so that
she can 'worship without fear or persecution' in _The_Scarlet_Letter_
is like casting Bruce Willis as Young Rene Descartes." -Joe Queenan- Hide quoted text -
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| Marshall... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:39 pm |
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On Nov 4, 6:37 am, Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]
Your comment about a bone through the nose was meant to be a
disparaging comment.
You are insulting African Americans. Why is it disparaging to refer
to their customs?
[/quote]
African Americans do not have a custom of putting bones
through their noses.
Marshall |
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| Marshall... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:43 pm |
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On Nov 3, 10:38 pm, Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 3, 1:30 am, Marshall <marshall.spi... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 7:30 am, Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Low? What is low about African culture?
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm3.static.flickr.com...
Unfortunately for your argument Papua New Guinea is not in Africa.
That's where the picture was taken, but that doesn't say the guy isn't
from Africa.
> The caption says "Highlands man ..." referring to the highlands
> of Papua New Guinea. But perhaps he lived in Africa in a previous
> life.
OMG He's arguing about whether a guy's from Africa or not.
[...]
3. The guy isn't from Africa.
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So why do you keep trying to suggest that he is?
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| Jesse F. Hughes... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:03 pm |
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Charlie-Boo <shymathguy at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
[quote]On Nov 4, 11:29 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je... at (no spam) phiwumbda.org> wrote:
Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
People have been calling it that for years. Why would someone spell
out the sub-title and why would us die-hard MUMPS programmers say "The
MUMPS Book ..." when talking about MUMPS? They call it "Charlie's
Book" or "The Advanced MUMPS Text" or ``Handbook of Efficiency
Techniques" or ``HOET".
You know, it's funny. I searched the web for "Handbook of Efficiency
Techniques". Doesn't take long. Just 16 hits. Every hit used the
word MUMPS in the title, aside from your posts here and another post
you made athttp://objectmix.com.
See my earlier references to quotes from fans who surround me at
computer conferences.
Somehow, your reports of how well-loved you are don't seem all that
persuasive to me. Here's the only Usenet review of the book I've
found.
Beyond there being a _reason_ for it being the "last known copy",
note that _tHoMET_ is from the early-early 1980s (late 1970s?) and
was out of date/inaccurate within months of it being published.
Such efficiency techniques of 'use one letter variable names because
they are special-cased for faster lookups' may have been true for
some early versions of MUMPS, but by 1982 I know _explicitly_ that
neither of the then-modern versions of MUMPS that "technique" was
directed act did that any more.
However, having a PDF version might be fun for a laugh now and then.
(From a 2003 thread found athttp://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.mumps/browse_frm/thread/1abd..."handbook+of+efficiency+techniques"#fe9469092540af20)
To be fair, other posters in the thread do not have a negative opinion
of the text. They have no opinion at all, because they have either
never seen it or forgotten it entirely.
How do you know they have never seen it or forgotten about it
entirely? That is a false conclusion.
[/quote]
I agree. On re-reading the posts, I'm not sure how I came away with
that impression. Nothing Rob or John writes indicates that they're
unfamiliar with the book.
[quote]
There is exactly one indication of someone not being familiar with it,
from Mary Rose. All 3 are enthusiastic about it:
Rob Tweed: ``Why not make it available to even more cyberfriends,
Charlie, by uploading it to our Utility Library - see www.mgateway.com"
John K Mitchell : ``Let us put it on the camta.net site "
Mary Rose Hoare: ``A handbook of efficiency techniques certainly
sounds interesting. How would I get a copy? If even one of Charlie's
techniques turned out to be useful or just gave me a new idea it could
save a lot."
Then there are two quotations cited:
"Charlie's book is still the best source for efficiency techniques in
MUMPS."
- Fred Hiltz
"It's well-known that (Charlie's book) is a standard resource for
MUMPS programmers."
- Karl at Lovelace
[/quote]
Yes, to be honest, I hadn't noticed these quotations. As it turns
out, you *did* claim that these folks said the above in that thread,
but I wasn't really reading your posts. I was reading others.
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And the bees make honey.
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