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| Charlie-Boo... |
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On Nov 2, 1:22 pm, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je... at (no spam) phiwumbda.org> wrote:
[quote]Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
On Nov 2, 9:35 am, Marshall <marshall.spi... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 3:23 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je... at (no spam) phiwumbda.org> wrote:
All this time, I've thought you're just a silly, self-aggrandizing
nincompoop. I had no idea that you were also a disgusting son of a
bitch.
Well put.
Yes, it clearly illustrates his lack of knowledge or understanding of
Logic, preferring instead to dabble in ad hominem attacks.
No ad hominem, since I was refuting no argument at all. A simple
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Refuting no argument is part of ad hominem: "attacking an opponent's
character rather than answering his argument"
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ad+hominem
[quote]observation: As it happens, Charlie Volkstorf is a disgusting son of a
bitch and sufficient evidence of this fact lies four posts up.
Perhaps you should learn what the ad hominem fallacy is. Hint: not
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Only I present substantiation.
C-B
[quote]every insult is a logical fallacy.
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And the bees make honey.
The miller's man does all the work,
But the miller makes the money. --- Mother Goose[/quote] |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:46 pm |
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On Nov 2, 1:19 pm, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je... at (no spam) phiwumbda.org> wrote:
[quote]Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
On Nov 2, 6:23 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je... at (no spam) phiwumbda.org> wrote:
Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
"Zuhair"? It sounds like one of those African natives. Do you have
a bone sticking through your nose?
Congrats, Charlie! A new low!
Low? What is low about African culture?
Nothing at all. And yet, your comment was transparently racist and
*you know it*.
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A lot of my friends are friends with Black people.
YOU are the one showing embarrassment at references to Africa where in
fact the names often begin with ZU.
C-B
[quote]--
Jesse F. Hughes
"My name is Apusta Malusta Cadeau and I fight bad guys. And I'm a
knight." -- A. M. Cadeau (nee Quincy P. Hughes), age 4[/quote] |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:50 pm |
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On Nov 2, 4:04 pm, Aatu Koskensilta <aatu.koskensi... at (no spam) uta.fi> wrote:
[quote]"Jesse F. Hughes" <je... at (no spam) phiwumbda.org> writes:
Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
My 1st. book, "Handbook of Efficiency Techniques", was very popular
and widely acclaimed.
I wonder why you changed the title. Your only published book
[1] is
"The MUMPS Handbook of Efficiency Techniques: 125 Ways to Make Your
Mumps Applications Run Faster."
MUMPS is obsolescent, MUMPS programs looking like something
Musatov[/quote]
I laughed when he blatantly judged a book by its title. Now you best
him: You attack (judge) someone (with impeccable credentials in an
area) based on the programming language they use.
C-B
[quote]would post in his spare moments. I expect Charlie has rewrote his book
using F#. About the marvel that is MUMPS see e.g.
http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/A_Case_of_the_MUMPS.aspx
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Aatu Koskensilta (aatu.koskensi... at (no spam) uta.fi)
"Wovon mann nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen"
- Ludwig Wittgenstein, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus[/quote] |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:38 pm |
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On Nov 3, 1:30 am, Marshall <marshall.spi... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 2, 7:30 am, Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 9:33 am, Marshall <marshall.spi... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 4:43 am, Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 6:23 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je... at (no spam) phiwumbda.org> wrote:
Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
"Zuhair"? It sounds like one of those African natives. Do you have
a bone sticking through your nose?
Congrats, Charlie! A new low!
Low? What is low about African culture?
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm3.static.flickr.com...
Unfortunately for your argument Papua New Guinea is not in Africa.
That's where the picture was taken, but that doesn't say the guy isn't
from Africa.
The caption says "Highlands man ..." referring to the highlands
of Papua New Guinea. But perhaps he lived in Africa in a previous
life.
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OMG He's arguing about whether a guy's from Africa or not.
1. I abbreviated the title of my 1st book.
2. I use a bad programming language.
3. The guy isn't from Africa.
What to do when your axiomatic theory is refuted repeatedly?
Alas, arithmetic totters.
C-B
[quote]I run circles around you guys (and gals if any) logically.
LOL. Indeed, the fact that you can question whether a picture
of a resident of Papua New Guinea might have come from
Africa completely validates your approach of making fun
of zuhair's name. That is logic for you; never know where
it's going to lead.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 3:56 am |
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On Nov 2, 1:19 pm, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je... at (no spam) phiwumbda.org> wrote:
[quote]Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
On Nov 2, 6:23 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je... at (no spam) phiwumbda.org> wrote:
Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
"Zuhair"? It sounds like one of those African natives. Do you have
a bone sticking through your nose?
Congrats, Charlie! A new low!
Low? What is low about African culture?
Nothing at all. And yet, your comment was transparently racist
and
*you know it*.
[/quote]
"People with schizotypal personality disorder often have oddities of
thought, including "magical" beliefs or peculiar ideas (for example, a
belief in telepathy). They have delusions characterized by saying that
they can read other people's minds."
By saying that "you know it", you are stating that you know what
knowledge I have in my head - that you can read my mind. That is a
classic delusion held by psychotic people.
Have you ever seriously considered the possibility that you have an
Emotional Illness?
http://www.answers.com/topic/personality-disorder
C-B
[quote]--
Jesse F. Hughes
"My name is Apusta Malusta Cadeau and I fight bad guys. And I'm a
knight." -- A. M. Cadeau (nee Quincy P. Hughes), age 4[/quote] |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:26 am |
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On Nov 4, 6:03 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je... at (no spam) phiwumbda.org> wrote:
[quote]Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
On Nov 2, 1:15 pm, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je... at (no spam) phiwumbda.org> wrote:
Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
My 1st. book, "Handbook of Efficiency Techniques", was very popular
and widely acclaimed.
> I wonder why you changed the title. Your only published book[1]
is
"The MUMPS Handbook of Efficiency Techniques: 125 Ways to Make Your
Mumps Applications Run Faster."
> Rather less impressive sounding, ain't it?
To those stupid enough to judge a book by its title.
Evidently you judge a book by its title, too. Otherwise, why would
you pretend that it had a different title?
[/quote]
People have been calling it that for years. Why would someone spell
out the sub-title and why would us die-hard MUMPS programmers say "The
MUMPS Book ..." when talking about MUMPS? They call it "Charlie's
Book" or "The Advanced MUMPS Text" or “Handbook of Efficiency
Techniques” or “HOET”.
See my earlier references to quotes from fans who surround me at
computer conferences.
How many books have you written or autographs have you given? Are you
just jealous? I spent 2 years writing that book and the nice
programmers at hospitals are almost unanimous in their praise, while
the psychotic professors and their students are not about to give
anyone outside of their species anything.
He: “That’s stupid.”
Me: “Russell said it.”
He: (no more “That’s stupid.”)
C-B
[quote]--
Jesse F. Hughes
"Mistakes are big part of the discovery process.
I make lots of them. Kind of pride myself on it."
-- James S. Harris[/quote] |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:33 am |
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On Nov 4, 6:07 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je... at (no spam) phiwumbda.org> wrote:
[quote]Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
On Nov 2, 1:22 pm, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je... at (no spam) phiwumbda.org> wrote:
Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
On Nov 2, 9:35 am, Marshall <marshall.spi... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 3:23 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je... at (no spam) phiwumbda.org> wrote:
All this time, I've thought you're just a silly, self-aggrandizing
nincompoop. I had no idea that you were also a disgusting son of a
bitch.
Well put.
Yes, it clearly illustrates his lack of knowledge or understanding of
Logic, preferring instead to dabble in ad hominem attacks.
> No ad hominem, since I was refuting no argument at all. A simple
Refuting no argument is part of ad hominem: "attacking an opponent's
character rather than answering his argument"
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ad+hominem
There was *no* argument
[/quote]
So what were we doing at the time - sitting around the pickle barrell
cracking jokes?
"Delusions are beliefs that have no solid basis and which are contrary
to the evidence."
Does schizophrenia run in your family?
C-B
[quote]and hence no ad hominem. The fact is that
you're a disgusting son of a bitch and it ain't a fallacy to say so.
Anyway, there's no point in continuing this silly aside. You're
simply distracting from the plain fact that your comment to Zuhair was
vile and racist (though not, far as I can tell, directed against
Zuhair's actual ethnic heritage so much as one you made up). What you
said was shameful and you haven't the good sense to apologize.
--
"...you are around so that I have something else to do when I'm not
figuring something important out. I was especially intrigued on this
iteration by cursing, which I think I'll continue at some later date
as it's so amusing." --- James S. Harris- Hide quoted text -
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:37 am |
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On Nov 4, 6:12 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je... at (no spam) phiwumbda.org> wrote:
[quote]Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
On Nov 2, 1:19 pm, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je... at (no spam) phiwumbda.org> wrote:
Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
On Nov 2, 6:23 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je... at (no spam) phiwumbda.org> wrote:
Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
"Zuhair"? It sounds like one of those African natives. Do you have
a bone sticking through your nose?
Congrats, Charlie! A new low!
Low? What is low about African culture?
Nothing at all. And yet, your comment was transparently racist and
*you know it*.
A lot of my friends are friends with Black people.
YOU are the one showing embarrassment at references to Africa where in
fact the names often begin with ZU.
Your comment about a bone through the nose was meant to be a
disparaging comment.
[/quote]
You are insulting African Americans. Why is it disparaging to refer
to their customs?
You are also saying that you can tell what I am thinking. Do you
believe that?
C-B
[quote]You really aren't fooling anyone.
Anyway, I made my point and there's no reason to continue this
discussion.
--
Jesse F. Hughes
"Run mathematicians, RUN!!! I'm coming for you. It may take a few
months, but I'll get [computer verification of my proof] and then your
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Charlie-Boo <shymathguy at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
[quote]On Nov 2, 1:15 pm, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je... at (no spam) phiwumbda.org> wrote:
Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
My 1st. book, "Handbook of Efficiency Techniques", was very popular
and widely acclaimed.
I wonder why you changed the title. Your only published book[1]
is
"The MUMPS Handbook of Efficiency Techniques: 125 Ways to Make Your
Mumps Applications Run Faster."
Rather less impressive sounding, ain't it?
To those stupid enough to judge a book by its title.
[/quote]
Evidently you judge a book by its title, too. Otherwise, why would
you pretend that it had a different title?
--
Jesse F. Hughes
"Mistakes are big part of the discovery process.
I make lots of them. Kind of pride myself on it."
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:07 am |
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Charlie-Boo <shymathguy at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
[quote]On Nov 2, 1:22 pm, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je... at (no spam) phiwumbda.org> wrote:
Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
On Nov 2, 9:35 am, Marshall <marshall.spi... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Nov 2, 3:23 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je... at (no spam) phiwumbda.org> wrote:
All this time, I've thought you're just a silly, self-aggrandizing
nincompoop. I had no idea that you were also a disgusting son of a
bitch.
Well put.
Yes, it clearly illustrates his lack of knowledge or understanding of
Logic, preferring instead to dabble in ad hominem attacks.
No ad hominem, since I was refuting no argument at all. A simple
Refuting no argument is part of ad hominem: "attacking an opponent's
character rather than answering his argument"
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ad+hominem
[/quote]
There was *no* argument and hence no ad hominem. The fact is that
you're a disgusting son of a bitch and it ain't a fallacy to say so.
Anyway, there's no point in continuing this silly aside. You're
simply distracting from the plain fact that your comment to Zuhair was
vile and racist (though not, far as I can tell, directed against
Zuhair's actual ethnic heritage so much as one you made up). What you
said was shameful and you haven't the good sense to apologize.
--
"...you are around so that I have something else to do when I'm not
figuring something important out. I was especially intrigued on this
iteration by cursing, which I think I'll continue at some later date
as it's so amusing." --- James S. Harris |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:12 am |
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Charlie-Boo <shymathguy at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
[quote]On Nov 2, 1:19 pm, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je... at (no spam) phiwumbda.org> wrote:
Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
On Nov 2, 6:23 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je... at (no spam) phiwumbda.org> wrote:
Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
"Zuhair"? It sounds like one of those African natives. Do you have
a bone sticking through your nose?
Congrats, Charlie! A new low!
Low? What is low about African culture?
Nothing at all. And yet, your comment was transparently racist and
*you know it*.
A lot of my friends are friends with Black people.
YOU are the one showing embarrassment at references to Africa where in
fact the names often begin with ZU.
[/quote]
Your comment about a bone through the nose was meant to be a
disparaging comment. You really aren't fooling anyone.
Anyway, I made my point and there's no reason to continue this
discussion.
--
Jesse F. Hughes
"Run mathematicians, RUN!!! I'm coming for you. It may take a few
months, but I'll get [computer verification of my proof] and then your
lives will be ended as you previously knew it." -- JSH meets PVS |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:29 am |
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On Nov 4, 10:23 am, Aatu Koskensilta <aatu.koskensi... at (no spam) uta.fi> wrote:
[quote]Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
I laughed when he blatantly judged a book by its title. Now you best
him: You attack (judge) someone (with impeccable credentials in an
area) based on the programming language they use.
You're hallucinating. I didn't attack anyone,
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"MUMPS is obsolescent, MUMPS programs looking like something Musatov
would post in his spare moments. I expect Charlie has rewrote his
book
using F#. About the marvel that is MUMPS"
You attacked MUMPS, right? Why - because I used it in the title of
the book? Well, the techniques apply to any database system. But why
argue over something of no consequence?
Why attack the book you have never read (fighting over the title)? Is
it because of the author?
Psychopaths (aka sociopaths) also lie without hesitation.
http://www.answers.com/topic/personality-disorder
See: Cluster a Disorders
Notice how the points that I have proven from quotes of you and others
are listed - people who say they know what other people are thinking
etc.
"Warn People
Report (to) police authorities if you come across evidence of violence
inflicted by the sociopath. The faster they are put behind bars, the
better it is. Remember they feed on your fears and emotions and use
them to manipulate you. Be fearless, and deal with them coldly.
For those of you, who have been unfortunate enough to have crossed
paths with a sociopath, I would like to say that, do not lose your
trust in humanity. There is a lot of goodness and beauty in this world
which is waiting to be beholden by you. Don't let sociopaths and other
anti social elements bring you down to their level. Deal with them
with a cool mind and do not ever hesitate in doing the right thing, no
matter how hard it is!"
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/how-to-deal-with-a-sociopath.html
C-B
[quote]I offered a comment about
MUMPS.
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Aatu Koskensilta (aatu.koskensi... at (no spam) uta.fi)
"Wovon mann nicht sprechen kann, darüber muss man schweigen"
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On Nov 4, 11:29 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je... at (no spam) phiwumbda.org> wrote:
[quote]Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
People have been calling it that for years. Why would someone spell
out the sub-title and why would us die-hard MUMPS programmers say "The
MUMPS Book ..." when talking about MUMPS? They call it "Charlie's
Book" or "The Advanced MUMPS Text" or “Handbook of Efficiency
Techniques” or “HOET”.
You know, it's funny. I searched the web for "Handbook of Efficiency
Techniques". Doesn't take long. Just 16 hits. Every hit used the
word MUMPS in the title, aside from your posts here and another post
you made athttp://objectmix.com.
[/quote]
The others are book dealers who are using its full name, of course,
which proves my point: when used in discussions people use the
abbreviated name – just as they refer to Wolfram’s book as ANKS.
[quote]See my earlier references to quotes from fans who surround me at
computer conferences.
Somehow, your reports of how well-loved you are don't seem all that
persuasive to me. Here's the only Usenet review of the book I've
found.
Beyond there being a _reason_ for it being the "last known copy",
note that _tHoMET_ is from the early-early 1980s (late 1970s?) and
was out of date/inaccurate within months of it being published.
Such efficiency techniques of 'use one letter variable names because
they are special-cased for faster lookups' may have been true for
some early versions of MUMPS, but by 1982 I know _explicitly_ that
neither of the then-modern versions of MUMPS that "technique" was
directed act did that any more.
[/quote]
That's Ben B. one of the one or two people I referred to earlier -
people who are contract programmersa like me and who write about
puzzles and who falsely criticize the book. Ben has said repeatedly
in print that the techniques are implementation-specific when in fact
I have implementation-specific techniques in a separate section and
there are only 5 out of 125. Quote the rest of the thread, please.
The only other guy who has acted weird about my book is Alan F who
likewise writes about puzzles and is a contract programmer.
As for the rest of the world, post a question on that MUMPS discussion
board and ask for opinions. A class was created just to teach my
book, classes on programming repeated praised it - it's really a kick-
ass book. People write me asking for copies and I send them a PDF.
"Last known copy" refers to my own copies. People still find them
occasionally, as I have described before. When it was first out of
print the Veteran's Administration called the publisher and told them
to start publishing it again, as they give a copy to every new
programmer in any VA hospital.
But this is a stupid waste of time. None of this has to do with
Logic.
You are also wrong. You are attacking a book you never read. This is
no better than Emotional Abuse.
BTW It has always been this way. Sane people complement me and insane
people can't stand me. The nice people tell me I'm smart and enjoy my
company. The emotionally weak people - people who can't stand to have
anyone make a suggestion as to how to improve anything - freak out
when I come in as a consultant and they see how smart I am. Ask
anyone who has aced an SAT - maybe someone else here - what it's like.
It's true and I don't mind that some people disagree or act
irrationally. The smart people know the truth. Einstein was one of
the biggest proponents of "The Emperor Has No Clothes". John Lennon
wrote a song about it.
C-B
[quote] However, having a PDF version might be fun for a laugh now and then.
(From a 2003 thread found athttp://groups.google.com/group/comp.lang.mumps/browse_frm/thread/1abd..."handbook+of+efficiency+techniques"#fe9469092540af20)
To be fair, other posters in the thread do not have a negative opinion
of the text. They have no opinion at all, because they have either
never seen it or forgotten it entirely.
On the other hand, there is a single, anonymous Amazon.com review.
That review is positively glowing. Anonymous netizens seem to love
you. Also, the MUMPS FAQ is also approving of the book, and says, "If
you need to finetune an existing application or create a new one, this
book's for you!" Let's call the online reaction mixed.
How many books have you written or autographs have you given? Are
you just jealous? I spent 2 years writing that book and the nice
programmers at hospitals are almost unanimous in their praise, while
the psychotic professors and their students are not about to give
anyone outside of their species anything.
I've written no books and I don't claim to be a better or more
influential author than you.
--
Jesse F. Hughes
"There's absolutely no information here."
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On Nov 4, 1:17 pm, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je... at (no spam) phiwumbda.org> wrote:
[quote]Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
On Nov 4, 11:29 am, "Jesse F. Hughes" <je... at (no spam) phiwumbda.org> wrote:
Charlie-Boo <shymath... at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
People have been calling it that for years. Why would someone spell
out the sub-title and why would us die-hard MUMPS programmers say "The
MUMPS Book ..." when talking about MUMPS? They call it "Charlie's
Book" or "The Advanced MUMPS Text" or ``Handbook of Efficiency
Techniques" or ``HOET".
You know, it's funny. I searched the web for "Handbook of Efficiency
Techniques". Doesn't take long. Just 16 hits. Every hit used the
word MUMPS in the title, aside from your posts here and another post
you made athttp://objectmix.com.
The others are book dealers who are using its full name, of course,
which proves my point: when used in discussions people use the
abbreviated name - just as they refer to Wolfram's book as ANKS.
Just to be clear: a google search on
"HOET" mumps programming -virus -disease -rubella
brings up five hits. The only relevant hit is your post in this
thread.
Substituting "computer" for "programming" does no better. Nor does
"efficiency" or "techniques".
It seems your fan base doesn't use the internet.
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Search MUMPS HANDBOOK and there's millions.
Post it on any MUMPS discussion board - or on all of at least 3 or 4.
Ask if anyone has heard of or read my book and what their opinion of
it is.
Sorry - you're a waste of space.
C-B
[quote]--
Jesse F. Hughes
"The future is a fascinating thing, and so is history. And you people
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| Aatu Koskensilta... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:23 am |
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Charlie-Boo <shymathguy at (no spam) gmail.com> writes:
[quote]I laughed when he blatantly judged a book by its title. Now you best
him: You attack (judge) someone (with impeccable credentials in an
area) based on the programming language they use.
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You're hallucinating. I didn't attack anyone, I offered a comment about
MUMPS.
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