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| aglooka... |
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Hello,
Ii'm looking for information of the use of the famous French 75 field
gun (Canon de 75 Mle 1897) on ships. It is never mentioned (altough i
remember one or two mentions of the army and navy trading guns, but
don't ask me where i read that)
From some pictures i've seen it was mounted on a simple pivot mount
with 360 degrees traverse.
Anybody has any information ?
many greetings,
Aglooka |
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| Jack Linthicum... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:10 am |
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On Oct 30, 9:10 am, aglooka <t... at (no spam) test.com> wrote:
[quote]Hello,
Ii'm looking for information of the use of the famous French 75 field
gun (Canon de 75 Mle 1897) on ships. It is never mentioned (altough i
remember one or two mentions of the army and navy trading guns, but
don't ask me where i read that)
From some pictures i've seen it was mounted on a simple pivot mount
with 360 degrees traverse.
Anybody has any information ?
many greetings,
Aglooka
[/quote]
One was used on the B-25
B-25G/H Mitchell: 75-mm
The B-25 Mitchell was an American medium bomber used both in Europe
and the Pacific during World War II. In 1942, work began on modifying
a B-25 to carry a new 75-mm M4 cannon, based on the French 75 used
during World War I. This new aircraft was given the designation B-25G,
and the design featured a number of modifications to the nose to carry
the 75-mm cannon. The 9.5 ft (2.9 m) long cannon weighed 905 lb (410
kg) and was located in a cradle in the lower left-hand side of the
nose, as pictured below. Located just above the cannon were two 0.50-
inch caliber machine guns. Further modifications to the basic B-25
included addition of a spring mechanism and structural strengthening
to handle the 21-inch recoil of the M4 cannon. The G model was also
equipped with more extensive armor plating given its role as a ground
attack and strafing platform.
B-25G Mitchell showing its nose-mounted 75-mm cannon and 0.50-inch
machine guns
The cannon was loaded and fired manually by a single crewman, the task
being delegated to the navigator/cannoneer. Each 75-mm shell weighed
15 lb (6.8 kg), and a total of 21 rounds were carried. About 400
examples of the B-25G were built either as new production aircraft or
modified from B-25C airframes. The aircraft saw extensive service in
the south Pacific where they had great success against anti-aircraft
batteries and Japanese shipping. The type also saw limited action in
the Mediterranean.
Closeup of the 75-mm cannon on a B-25H
The B-25H was an improved version of the B-25G. The M4 cannon was
replaced by a lighter T13E1 75-mm cannon, and several more 0.50-inch
caliber machine guns were added to the nose and pods mounted along the
fuselage. Some 1,000 examples of the B-25H were built, primarily for
the Pacific theater.
pics at the cite
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/weapons/q0174.shtml |
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| David E. Powell... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:10 pm |
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On Oct 30, 9:10 am, aglooka <t... at (no spam) test.com> wrote:
[quote]Hello,
Ii'm looking for information of the use of the famous French 75 field
gun (Canon de 75 Mle 1897) on ships. It is never mentioned (altough i
remember one or two mentions of the army and navy trading guns, but
don't ask me where i read that)
From some pictures i've seen it was mounted on a simple pivot mount
with 360 degrees traverse.
Anybody has any information ?
many greetings,
Aglooka
[/quote]
I wonder if any Merchant ships ever mounted them? Decent counter U-
Boat gun. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:08 am |
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In article <4cple55l349gleunc1iv42qvi7hjnfmgkt at (no spam) 4ax.com>, test at (no spam) test.com
(aglooka) wrote:
[quote]Ii'm looking for information of the use of the famous French 75 field
gun (Canon de 75 Mle 1897) on ships.
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The shell was a bit light for use on ships. I had a quick look at
Conway's 1906-1921 and found no mention of it. The 75 was built to solve
problems that really did not exist on ships like an absolute weight
limit for the complete equipment.
Ken Young |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:01 pm |
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On 2009-10-31, kenney at (no spam) cix.compulink.co.uk <kenney at (no spam) cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote:
[quote]In article <4cple55l349gleunc1iv42qvi7hjnfmgkt at (no spam) 4ax.com>, test at (no spam) test.com
(aglooka) wrote:
Ii'm looking for information of the use of the famous French 75 field
gun (Canon de 75 Mle 1897) on ships.
The shell was a bit light for use on ships. I had a quick look at
Conway's 1906-1921 and found no mention of it. The 75 was built to solve
problems that really did not exist on ships like an absolute weight
limit for the complete equipment.
Ken Young
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The 75 mm field gun was used as improvised armament mostly for river
patrol craft during WWI, the French needing guns in the worst way. The
Ian Allen book on French warships of the First World War has a little
information. 75s also were used during WWII and the Indochina War.
Bud |
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| Keith Willshaw... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:29 pm |
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<kenney at (no spam) cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote in message
news:06idnTMJSYJh_XHXnZ2dnUVZ8lydnZ2d at (no spam) giganews.com...
[quote]In article <4cple55l349gleunc1iv42qvi7hjnfmgkt at (no spam) 4ax.com>, test at (no spam) test.com
(aglooka) wrote:
Ii'm looking for information of the use of the famous French 75 field
gun (Canon de 75 Mle 1897) on ships.
The shell was a bit light for use on ships. I had a quick look at
Conway's 1906-1921 and found no mention of it. The 75 was built to solve
problems that really did not exist on ships like an absolute weight
limit for the complete equipment.
Ken Young
[/quote]
I don't believe the shell weight was as much the problem as muzzle
velocity. The British QF 12 pounder was in the same size range and was
ubiquitous being fitted on everything from battleships to armed trawlers.
The French did have a 75mm weapon that was fitted on ships
but it had a much higher muzzle velocity than the field gun
I found the following comparisons
French 75mm model 1908 (naval)
Projectile weight 6.2 kg
Muzzle velocity 930 mps
French 75mm model 1897 (army)
Projectile weight 5.3 kg
Muzzle velocity 500 mps
British QF 12 pounder (naval)
Projectile weight 5.66 kg
Muzzle velocity 790 mps
British BL 7cwt 12 pounder (army)
Projectile weight 5.7 kg
Muzzle velocity 520 mps
Keith |
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| William Black... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:30 pm |
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Keith Willshaw wrote:
[quote]kenney at (no spam) cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote in message
news:06idnTMJSYJh_XHXnZ2dnUVZ8lydnZ2d at (no spam) giganews.com...
In article <4cple55l349gleunc1iv42qvi7hjnfmgkt at (no spam) 4ax.com>, test at (no spam) test.com
(aglooka) wrote:
Ii'm looking for information of the use of the famous French 75 field
gun (Canon de 75 Mle 1897) on ships.
The shell was a bit light for use on ships. I had a quick look at
Conway's 1906-1921 and found no mention of it. The 75 was built to solve
problems that really did not exist on ships like an absolute weight
limit for the complete equipment.
Ken Young
I don't believe the shell weight was as much the problem as muzzle
velocity. The British QF 12 pounder was in the same size range and was
ubiquitous being fitted on everything from battleships to armed trawlers.
The French did have a 75mm weapon that was fitted on ships
but it had a much higher muzzle velocity than the field gun
I found the following comparisons
French 75mm model 1908 (naval)
Projectile weight 6.2 kg
Muzzle velocity 930 mps
French 75mm model 1897 (army)
Projectile weight 5.3 kg
Muzzle velocity 500 mps
British QF 12 pounder (naval)
Projectile weight 5.66 kg
Muzzle velocity 790 mps
British BL 7cwt 12 pounder (army)
Projectile weight 5.7 kg
Muzzle velocity 520 mps
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I seem to remember reading somewhere that the 4" BL was fitted to the
Flower class because it was the smallest gun that would crack a U-boat
pressure hull.
--
William Black
"Any number under six"
The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
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| Ray O'Hara... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:42 pm |
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"aglooka" <test at (no spam) test.com> wrote in message
news:4cple55l349gleunc1iv42qvi7hjnfmgkt at (no spam) 4ax.com...
[quote]Hello,
Ii'm looking for information of the use of the famous French 75 field
gun (Canon de 75 Mle 1897) on ships. It is never mentioned (altough i
remember one or two mentions of the army and navy trading guns, but
don't ask me where i read that)
From some pictures i've seen it was mounted on a simple pivot mount
with 360 degrees traverse.
Anybody has any information ?
many greetings,
Aglooka
[/quote]
the 3'.50 cal was a much better gun for shipboard use and we had piles of
them. |
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| Jack Linthicum... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:23 am |
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On Nov 1, 5:53 am, Eugene Griessel <eug... at (no spam) dynagen.co.za> wrote:
[quote]On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 09:47:37 +0200, "Roger Conroy"
rogercon... at (no spam) nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
"Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hcieg3$lkv$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
"aglooka" <t... at (no spam) test.com> wrote in message
news:4cple55l349gleunc1iv42qvi7hjnfmgkt at (no spam) 4ax.com...
Hello,
Ii'm looking for information of the use of the famous French 75 field
gun (Canon de 75 Mle 1897) on ships. It is never mentioned (altough i
remember one or two mentions of the army and navy trading guns, but
don't ask me where i read that)
From some pictures i've seen it was mounted on a simple pivot mount
with 360 degrees traverse.
Anybody has any information ?
many greetings,
Aglooka
the 3'.50 cal was a much better gun for shipboard use and we had piles of
them.
Who is "we"?
The Yew Knighted States - that joint established by those rebel
colonialists unloyal to King George. Not to mention the wasting of
good tea. A common belief amongst many of those citizens is that it is
the only country on earth.
Strangely enough all the guys I have ever met from the place are
different - perhaps they don't allow the others out?
Eugene L Griessel
I assume full responsibility for my actions, except the
ones that are someone else's fault.
- I post only from Sci.Military.Naval -
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The "others" don't want to leave, someone might drink their beer,
steal their girl or their guns. |
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| Roger Conroy... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 2:47 am |
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"Ray O'Hara" <raymond-ohara at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[quote]
"aglooka" <test at (no spam) test.com> wrote in message
news:4cple55l349gleunc1iv42qvi7hjnfmgkt at (no spam) 4ax.com...
Hello,
Ii'm looking for information of the use of the famous French 75 field
gun (Canon de 75 Mle 1897) on ships. It is never mentioned (altough i
remember one or two mentions of the army and navy trading guns, but
don't ask me where i read that)
From some pictures i've seen it was mounted on a simple pivot mount
with 360 degrees traverse.
Anybody has any information ?
many greetings,
Aglooka
the 3'.50 cal was a much better gun for shipboard use and we had piles of
them.
Who is "we"?[/quote] |
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| Eugene Griessel... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:53 am |
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On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 09:47:37 +0200, "Roger Conroy"
<rogerconroy at (no spam) nospam.hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]
"Ray O'Hara" <raymond-ohara at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hcieg3$lkv$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
"aglooka" <test at (no spam) test.com> wrote in message
news:4cple55l349gleunc1iv42qvi7hjnfmgkt at (no spam) 4ax.com...
Hello,
Ii'm looking for information of the use of the famous French 75 field
gun (Canon de 75 Mle 1897) on ships. It is never mentioned (altough i
remember one or two mentions of the army and navy trading guns, but
don't ask me where i read that)
From some pictures i've seen it was mounted on a simple pivot mount
with 360 degrees traverse.
Anybody has any information ?
many greetings,
Aglooka
the 3'.50 cal was a much better gun for shipboard use and we had piles of
them.
Who is "we"?
[/quote]
The Yew Knighted States - that joint established by those rebel
colonialists unloyal to King George. Not to mention the wasting of
good tea. A common belief amongst many of those citizens is that it is
the only country on earth.
Strangely enough all the guys I have ever met from the place are
different - perhaps they don't allow the others out?
Eugene L Griessel
I assume full responsibility for my actions, except the
ones that are someone else's fault.
- I post only from Sci.Military.Naval - |
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| mike... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:55 am |
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On Nov 1, 10:13 am, Eugene Griessel <eug... at (no spam) dynagen.co.za> wrote:
[quote]
I have been scouring my literature for an early Israeli "naval" vessel
which was an ex-coast guard cutter with a field gun lashed to the
focsle. I have an idea that this may have been a French 75mm but
nothing I have actually mentions which gun it was. Anyone have more
info?
[/quote]
They also seemed to have a supply of Great War era
Ehrhardt and/or Krupp 77mm field guns, in addition
to the French gun: might have been one of those.
Any pictures anywhere?
**
mike
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| Eugene Griessel... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:13 am |
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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:10:09 +0100, aglooka <test at (no spam) test.com> wrote:
[quote]Hello,
Ii'm looking for information of the use of the famous French 75 field
gun (Canon de 75 Mle 1897) on ships. It is never mentioned (altough i
remember one or two mentions of the army and navy trading guns, but
don't ask me where i read that)
From some pictures i've seen it was mounted on a simple pivot mount
with 360 degrees traverse.
Anybody has any information ?
[/quote]
I have been scouring my literature for an early Israeli "naval" vessel
which was an ex-coast guard cutter with a field gun lashed to the
focsle. I have an idea that this may have been a French 75mm but
nothing I have actually mentions which gun it was. Anyone have more
info?
Eugene L Griessel
Advertising is the art of making whole lies out of half truths.
- I post only from Sci.Military.Naval - |
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| Jack Linthicum... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:24 pm |
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On Nov 1, 5:12 pm, Eugene Griessel <eug... at (no spam) dynagen.co.za> wrote:
[quote]On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 10:55:35 -0800 (PST), mike <marat... at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:
On Nov 1, 10:13 am, Eugene Griessel <eug... at (no spam) dynagen.co.za> wrote:
I have been scouring my literature for an early Israeli "naval" vessel
which was an ex-coast guard cutter with a field gun lashed to the
focsle. I have an idea that this may have been a French 75mm but
nothing I have actually mentions which gun it was. Anyone have more
info?
They also seemed to have a supply of Great War era
Ehrhardt and/or Krupp 77mm field guns, in addition
to the French gun: might have been one of those.
Any pictures anywhere?
Ok - I unearthed my notes - I was wrong it was a 60mm wheeled mountain
gun (according to what I was told) that was used. The ship was the
ex-Northland.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Northland_(WPG-49)
Eugene L Griessel
Reasonable people adapt themselves to the world.
Unreasonable people attempt to adapt the world to themselves.
All progress, therefore, depends on unreasonable people.
- I post only from Sci.Military.Naval -
[/quote]
Interesting bucket, built for ice breaking duty in the Arctic, served
in the war and listed as "sold for scrap"
http://wertheimer.info/family/GRAMPS/WEBINDEX/HAAPALAH/img/b/2/b267b3cefd656de316e.html
text
http://wertheimer.info/family/GRAMPS/WEBINDEX/HAAPALAH/plc/b/0/b041884b54b69c91f22.html
some from Haze Gray, Northland shown with masts.
Mystery Picture #88
This is the Coast Guard Arctic patrol cutter Northland (WPG 49).
Northland was a unique cutter, built specifically for Bering Sea
Patrol, to replace the ancient cutter Bear. When Northland replaced
Bear in 1927, the old wooden cutter was some 54 years old! Northland
was originally fitted with masts and sails as shown here, but this rig
was later removed. She was fitted to carry a seaplane aft. From 1927
through 1939 Northland served on the Bering Sea Patrol. During WWII
she shifted to the Greenland Patrol, serving alongside the old Bear,
which had been brought in government service once again.
In 1947 Northland was sold, apparently for scrapping. However, she
eventually made her way across the Atlantic, was renamed Jewish State,
and transported Jewish refugees to Palestine. In 1948 she was renamed
Eilat (or Elath) and became the flagship of the infant Israeli Navy.
Later she became a training ship, and in 1955 was renamed Matzpen,
serving as a barracks or depot hulk. She was finally scrapped in 1962.
http://www.hazegray.org/mysteries/oldmyst/ansgrp08.htm |
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| Eugene Griessel... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:51 pm |
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On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 10:55:35 -0800 (PST), mike <marathag at (no spam) yahoo.com>
wrote:
[quote]On Nov 1, 10:13 am, Eugene Griessel <eug... at (no spam) dynagen.co.za> wrote:
I have been scouring my literature for an early Israeli "naval" vessel
which was an ex-coast guard cutter with a field gun lashed to the
focsle. I have an idea that this may have been a French 75mm but
nothing I have actually mentions which gun it was. Anyone have more
info?
They also seemed to have a supply of Great War era
Ehrhardt and/or Krupp 77mm field guns, in addition
to the French gun: might have been one of those.
[/quote]
Wel,l they claimed to have raided a museum to get the gun ....
[quote]Any pictures anywhere?
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So far no - I have a slew of pictures taken at the naval museum in
Haifa - but none of htis particular vessel.
Eugene L Griessel
It is a good thing to make mistakes
- so long as you are found out quickly!
- I post only from Sci.Military.Naval - |
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