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| Marsha... |
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| Judity... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:32 am |
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| Judity... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:32 am |
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Oops,hit Send accidently.
I've been on the many flights trapped in a long metal container with
cranky youngsters and their irresponsible parents. These children kick
the back of seats, yell and scream for attention, and otherwise make
the six hour, coast to coast ride feel like a trip to Hell.
My suggestion, Marsha? "Let the kids go outside and play!"
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| Sue -- Firefighter mom, Still UW Dawg fan!... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:31 am |
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On Oct 31, 7:32 am, Judity <Judit... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
[quote]Oops,hit Send accidently.
I've been on the many flights trapped in a long metal container with
cranky youngsters and their irresponsible parents. These children kick
the back of seats, yell and scream for attention, and otherwise make
the six hour, coast to coast ride feel like a trip to Hell.
My suggestion, Marsha? "Let the kids go outside and play!"
Judity
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Love it. I was on a late night flight with a stupid mother who thought
she'd book it late because her kids "would sleep". No, they would be
tired and excited. They were horrible and kicked the back of the seat.
I told her kid to quit it and she pitched a fit. I told her that I did
not have to put up with future burdens to society.
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| Anne V... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:38 am |
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"Judity" <Judity01 at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
news:8a3c8a35-171c-4fbb-a0cb-08cc7f4c7d9a at (no spam) s6g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
| Oops,hit Send accidently.
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| I've been on the many flights trapped in a long metal container with
| cranky youngsters and their irresponsible parents. These children kick
| the back of seats, yell and scream for attention, and otherwise make
| the six hour, coast to coast ride feel like a trip to Hell.
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| My suggestion, Marsha? "Let the kids go outside and play!"
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| Judity
I hear you; there's nothing more miserable than being trapped on a plane
with a howling toddler. OTOH, what do you do if you have to travel a huge
distance with your child as quickly as possible? There just ain't no way a
2-year-old is going to be happy and quiet for an entire 8-hour flight, no
matter how many toys and treats you bring along! I've been on both ends of
the scenario and sure wish I had the magic answer; have always had to just
keep reminding myself that we were all 2 and difficult at one time.
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| Marsha... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:04 am |
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Anne V wrote:
[quote]"Judity" <Judity01 at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
news:8a3c8a35-171c-4fbb-a0cb-08cc7f4c7d9a at (no spam) s6g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
| Oops,hit Send accidently.
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| I've been on the many flights trapped in a long metal container with
| cranky youngsters and their irresponsible parents. These children kick
| the back of seats, yell and scream for attention, and otherwise make
| the six hour, coast to coast ride feel like a trip to Hell.
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| My suggestion, Marsha? "Let the kids go outside and play!"
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| Judity
I hear you; there's nothing more miserable than being trapped on a plane
with a howling toddler. OTOH, what do you do if you have to travel a huge
distance with your child as quickly as possible? There just ain't no way a
2-year-old is going to be happy and quiet for an entire 8-hour flight, no
matter how many toys and treats you bring along! I've been on both ends of
the scenario and sure wish I had the magic answer; have always had to just
keep reminding myself that we were all 2 and difficult at one time.
Anne
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It's true that some people find themselves in a situation where they
have to travel with their children. They have my full sympathy.
Unfortunately, it's hard to tell the difference between those folks and
the ones who think they have to haul their little monsters everywhere,
no matter who is inconvenienced.
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| Barbara Carlson... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:58 pm |
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And one can certainly prepare children. We took a coast to coast flight
which our children when they were very young--NJ to LA. The stewardesses
were really good. We had 3, and the oldest was a 4th grader. We had talked
to the children about the flight--they were to get to go to Disneyland, so
they really wanted to go. I don't think anyone was bothered by them, but
that was back in the days when it was fun to fly, seats weren't so cramped,
and planes were not short-staffed. I've been on some miserable flights with
kids, too, and while some couldn't be helped, others were just unreasonable.
I still remember one absolutely miserable flight back from London with the
kid in front of us letting out piercing shrieks sporadically throughout the
whole flight.
Barb C.
"Marsha" <mas at (no spam) xeb.net> wrote in message news:hchn78$urb$2 at (no spam) news.datemas.de...
[quote]Anne V wrote:
"Judity" <Judity01 at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
news:8a3c8a35-171c-4fbb-a0cb-08cc7f4c7d9a at (no spam) s6g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
| Oops,hit Send accidently.
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| I've been on the many flights trapped in a long metal container with
| cranky youngsters and their irresponsible parents. These children kick
| the back of seats, yell and scream for attention, and otherwise make
| the six hour, coast to coast ride feel like a trip to Hell.
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| My suggestion, Marsha? "Let the kids go outside and play!"
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| Judity
I hear you; there's nothing more miserable than being trapped on a plane
with a howling toddler. OTOH, what do you do if you have to travel a
huge distance with your child as quickly as possible? There just ain't
no way a 2-year-old is going to be happy and quiet for an entire 8-hour
flight, no matter how many toys and treats you bring along! I've been on
both ends of the scenario and sure wish I had the magic answer; have
always had to just keep reminding myself that we were all 2 and difficult
at one time.
Anne
It's true that some people find themselves in a situation where they have
to travel with their children. They have my full sympathy. Unfortunately,
it's hard to tell the difference between those folks and the ones who
think they have to haul their little monsters everywhere, no matter who is
inconvenienced.
Marsha[/quote] |
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| Samatha Hill -- take out TRASH to reply... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:24 am |
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I went on a vacation from SFO to NYC to Georgia and back to SFO with an
almost-1-year-old and a 3YO (with my husband, too, so there was one
child per adult), and it wasn't anywhere nearly as bad as going camping
with them. But we had layovers on each flight. Still, there are ways
of keeping them calmer if you know what to do.
Anne V wrote:
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I hear you; there's nothing more miserable than being trapped on a plane
with a howling toddler. OTOH, what do you do if you have to travel a huge
distance with your child as quickly as possible? There just ain't no way a
2-year-old is going to be happy and quiet for an entire 8-hour flight, no
matter how many toys and treats you bring along! I've been on both ends of
the scenario and sure wish I had the magic answer; have always had to just
keep reminding myself that we were all 2 and difficult at one time.[/quote] |
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| Rae... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 3:58 am |
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They should ask their pediatrician for a sedative to keep them quiet.
Probably now that is considered child abuse, but there is no reason
that makes it okay for everyone else to have to listen to that for
hours on end with no way to escape it. They were right to throw them
off the flight and they should not have refunded anything. If I were
on a plane in that situation I'd probably go postal - I CANNOT stand
hearing that noise. |
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| Anne V... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 9:59 am |
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"Rae" <RaeMorrill at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
news:e9f8a1e4-446d-42d3-b26b-b44dc0aa599c at (no spam) g23g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
| They should ask their pediatrician for a sedative to keep them quiet.
| Probably now that is considered child abuse, but there is no reason
| that makes it okay for everyone else to have to listen to that for
| hours on end with no way to escape it. They were right to throw them
| off the flight and they should not have refunded anything. If I were
| on a plane in that situation I'd probably go postal - I CANNOT stand
| hearing that noise.
Hmmmm....preflight Benadryl....
You're probably right about it being considered abusive, Rae, but it
actually doesn't sound like a bad idea to me! My younger daughter is flying
home to Hawaii with my 2-year-old grandson in a couple of months, and I know
she's absolutely dreading the flight. I may ask her if she's considered
giving him some Benadryl before they leave.
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| Rae... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:20 am |
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LOL. Have her check with her pediatrician. I did this years ago with
my daughter at about age 2 to 3. At that time, a Rx was required and
was provided by my pediatrician without any fuss at all. However, on
return trip my mother (an MD) said a little more wouldn't hurt her.
Unfortunately, apparently Benadryl can have the reverse effect on
children (and I think it still does in my now nearly 30-year-old DD).
She was pretty squirmy on the trip home. Something like Dramamine
might work well, too. Personally, I see nothing wrong with that at
all. Make things easier for all involved.
On Nov 1, 9:59�am, "Anne V" <ave... at (no spam) NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
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Hmmmm....preflight Benadryl....
You're probably right about it being considered abusive, Rae, but it
actually doesn't sound like a bad idea to me! My younger daughter is flying
home to Hawaii with my 2-year-old grandson in a couple of months, and I know
she's absolutely dreading the flight. �I may ask her if she's considered
giving him some Benadryl before they leave.
Anne[/quote] |
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| Petro Gibraltar... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 12:20 pm |
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"Rae" <RaeMorrill at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
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[quote]They should ask their pediatrician for a sedative to keep them quiet.
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What medical condition would that MD be treating in his patient? |
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| Sandi... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:16 pm |
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On Oct 31, 11:04 am, Marsha <m... at (no spam) xeb.net> wrote:
[quote]Anne V wrote:
"Judity" <Judit... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
news:8a3c8a35-171c-4fbb-a0cb-08cc7f4c7d9a at (no spam) s6g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
| Oops,hit Send accidently.
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| I've been on the many flights trapped in a long metal container with
| cranky youngsters and their irresponsible parents. These children kick
| the back of seats, yell and scream for attention, and otherwise make
| the six hour, coast to coast ride feel like a trip to Hell.
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| My suggestion, Marsha? "Let the kids go outside and play!"
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| Judity
I hear you; there's nothing more miserable than being trapped on a plane
with a howling toddler. OTOH, what do you do if you have to travel a huge
distance with your child as quickly as possible? There just ain't no way a
2-year-old is going to be happy and quiet for an entire 8-hour flight, no
matter how many toys and treats you bring along! I've been on both ends of
the scenario and sure wish I had the magic answer; have always had to just
keep reminding myself that we were all 2 and difficult at one time.
Anne
It's true that some people find themselves in a situation where they
have to travel with their children. They have my full sympathy.
Unfortunately, it's hard to tell the difference between those folks and
the ones who think they have to haul their little monsters everywhere,
no matter who is inconvenienced.
Marsha- Hide quoted text -
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Wow. I can only say, wow. I'm reminded of my friend, who 17 years
ago went out to eat with me, my then-6-year-old son, and my son's
friend. My son's friend was not the worst-behaved 6-year-old in the
world, but was not a seen-and-not-heard kid, either. My friend went
on a rant which wrapped up in a "no child or mine" statement. Three
children of hers later, we laugh together now about the ridiculousness
of that statement.
People travel. People have children. Children are children, not
miniature adults and not monsters. When adults are uncomfortable or
tired, they have an adult way of expressing it, and they have options
to address their discomfort. Children often do not. I'm saddened
every day by the children I see in the courthouse who are ignored or
treated in ways that we'd never dream of treating adults, until they
demand attention, and then they're little monsters.
Eh, off the soapbox. It's just a pet peeve of mine, the second class
citizens children are.
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| Sandi... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:18 pm |
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On Nov 1, 8:58 am, Rae <RaeMorr... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
[quote]They should ask their pediatrician for a sedative to keep them quiet.
Probably now that is considered child abuse, but there is no reason
that makes it okay for everyone else to have to listen to that for
hours on end with no way to escape it. They were right to throw them
off the flight and they should not have refunded anything. If I were
on a plane in that situation I'd probably go postal - I CANNOT stand
hearing that noise.
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You seriously did not just suggest drugging children for your personal
convenience, did you?
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| Sandi... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:19 pm |
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On Nov 1, 9:59 am, "Anne V" <ave... at (no spam) NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]"Rae" <RaeMorr... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
news:e9f8a1e4-446d-42d3-b26b-b44dc0aa599c at (no spam) g23g2000yqh.googlegroups.com...
| They should ask their pediatrician for a sedative to keep them quiet.
| Probably now that is considered child abuse, but there is no reason
| that makes it okay for everyone else to have to listen to that for
| hours on end with no way to escape it. They were right to throw them
| off the flight and they should not have refunded anything. If I were
| on a plane in that situation I'd probably go postal - I CANNOT stand
| hearing that noise.
Hmmmm....preflight Benadryl....
You're probably right about it being considered abusive, Rae, but it
actually doesn't sound like a bad idea to me! My younger daughter is flying
home to Hawaii with my 2-year-old grandson in a couple of months, and I know
she's absolutely dreading the flight. I may ask her if she's considered
giving him some Benadryl before they leave.
Anne
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I have a better idea. Drug yourself, and you won't care if there are
people under the age of 10 around.
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