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| Mr.mobile... |
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| Sam Wormley... |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:35 am |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:01 pm |
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Nicholas <Lawrence_Glickman at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
[quote]On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:35:17 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1 at (no spam) mchsi.com
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/google-adds-free-turn-by-turn-navigation-car-dock-ui-to-android/
You HAVE to have internet service/availability to use this nav
feature? Forget about it. I'll take my signals from the satellites.
[/quote]
I have Google Maps on a Blackberry. Very nice, more up to date than my
purchased once, never upgraded, Mapsource and Garmin City Select.
The Google Maps app was just updated a couple of days ago, and now offers
better functionality in features that I like.
All the real keys on my BBerry make it easier to search than Garmin, not
even considering the brain dead UI that Mapsource uses _with_ a full
keyboard, and is worse on the GPS rocker-thingy.
I can go to my contacts directory and select "show on Google Maps" if there
is an address in the entry.
But...
I am surprised at the number of places where there is no cellular coverage,
and how much battery drain is caused by the mapping updates.
So, I wind up using my BBerry when it works, and have the GPS anyway,
and I can use waypoints, routes and tracks on the GPS.
And, lacking any satellite signal at all, I can still do lookups of
businesses and review maps and directions on the pre-loaded GPS.
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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5 |
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| Nicholas... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:19 pm |
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| Nicholas... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:32 pm |
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| Nicholas... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:18 pm |
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 00:01:05 +0000 (UTC), dold at (no spam) 68.usenet.us.com wrote:
[quote]Nicholas <Lawrence_Glickman at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:35:17 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1 at (no spam) mchsi.com
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/google-adds-free-turn-by-turn-navigation-car-dock-ui-to-android/
You HAVE to have internet service/availability to use this nav
feature? Forget about it. I'll take my signals from the satellites.
I have Google Maps on a Blackberry. Very nice, more up to date than my
purchased once, never upgraded, Mapsource and Garmin City Select.
The Google Maps app was just updated a couple of days ago, and now offers
better functionality in features that I like.
All the real keys on my BBerry make it easier to search than Garmin, not
even considering the brain dead UI that Mapsource uses _with_ a full
keyboard, and is worse on the GPS rocker-thingy.
I can go to my contacts directory and select "show on Google Maps" if there
is an address in the entry.
[/quote]
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[quote]But...
I am surprised at the number of places where there is no cellular coverage,
and how much battery drain is caused by the mapping updates.
[/quote]
Exactly
[quote]So, I wind up using my BBerry when it works, and have the GPS anyway,
and I can use waypoints, routes and tracks on the GPS.
And, lacking any satellite signal at all, I can still do lookups of
businesses and review maps and directions on the pre-loaded GPS.
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Not to belittle the product, but...I don't care about photographs on
my gps receiver. Vectors and voice guidance do it all without needing
more attention than necessary, leaving more time for defensive
driving.
I've got
all USA
Puerto Rico
Hawaii
Canada
US mainland
Mexico
You know, enough information to get me from point A to point B without
a lot of CLUTTER. All the google stuff is CLUTTER. Once the novelty
wears off, you'll see people going back to vector maps (my
prediction). But more importantly, in the middle of the ocean, or the
middle of Zimbabwe, your gps receiver will continue to work...google
will be *somewhere over the rainbow.*
Lg |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:10 pm |
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Rick <fholbrook at (no spam) nospam.cableone.net> wrote:
[quote]That is why I use Verizon--works almost everywhere 
[/quote]
You've been looking at their coverage maps, haven't you?
It's drawn with a very nice graphics program, showing perfect digital
coverage throughout the mountainous terrain around here.
The AT&T map shows gradients that my experience shows are very true, even a
little conservative.
If the AT&T map says a spot has coverage, it does. If the Verizon map says
it has digital coverage, there probably is coverage somewhere within a mile
or two of that spot, but not necessarily the spot you want.
Search these two maps for 17098 Hwy 175, Middletown, CA, 95461
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/CoverageLocatorController
http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer
One is very pretty, the other, realistic.
My GPS coverage is spotty in this area, too, because of the tall trees, but
the map is still there on the GPS.
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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5 |
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| Rick... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:28 pm |
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Nicholas wrote:
[quote]On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:35:17 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1 at (no spam) mchsi.com
wrote:
Mr.mobile wrote:
Hello everyone
I'm new here
I need a gift for my son.
Does anyone have information on this device?
http://astore.amazon.com/ms062-20/detail/B002AKKJWM
Thanks for your help
Better:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/google-adds-free-turn-by-turn-navigation-car-dock-ui-to-android/
You HAVE to have internet service/availability to use this nav
feature? Forget about it. I'll take my signals from the satellites.
This, =IMO= is a cutsey feature and fine if you're IN RANGE for a 3G
connection, but if you are rural, it's going to let you down when you
need it most (no Inet signal). I don't trust it right off the bat.
Lg
That is why I use Verizon--works almost everywhere [/quote]
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Rick
Fargo, ND
N 46°53'251"
W 096°48'279"
Remember the USS Liberty
http://www.ussliberty.org/ |
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| Nicholas... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:57 pm |
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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:28:50 -0500, Rick
<fholbrook at (no spam) nospam.cableone.net> wrote:
[quote]Nicholas wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:35:17 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1 at (no spam) mchsi.com
wrote:
Mr.mobile wrote:
Hello everyone
I'm new here
I need a gift for my son.
Does anyone have information on this device?
http://astore.amazon.com/ms062-20/detail/B002AKKJWM
Thanks for your help
Better:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/google-adds-free-turn-by-turn-navigation-car-dock-ui-to-android/
You HAVE to have internet service/availability to use this nav
feature? Forget about it. I'll take my signals from the satellites.
This, =IMO= is a cutsey feature and fine if you're IN RANGE for a 3G
connection, but if you are rural, it's going to let you down when you
need it most (no Inet signal). I don't trust it right off the bat.
Lg
That is why I use Verizon--works almost everywhere
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Depending on your Terms of Service with you phone and Inet provider, I
can see a large monthly bill to go along with the Android. Why pay
Connect Minutes for something you can get for FREE (without photos)?
That doesn't depend on cell towers to work? My maps have to be as
good as the photos: Navtek and TeleAtlas. I'll take the maps
(seamlessly integrated). Each to his/her own.
Lg |
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| Rick... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:22 pm |
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dold at (no spam) 68.usenet.us.com wrote:
[quote]Rick <fholbrook at (no spam) nospam.cableone.net> wrote:
That is why I use Verizon--works almost everywhere :)
You've been looking at their coverage maps, haven't you?
It's drawn with a very nice graphics program, showing perfect digital
coverage throughout the mountainous terrain around here.
The AT&T map shows gradients that my experience shows are very true, even a
little conservative.
If the AT&T map says a spot has coverage, it does. If the Verizon map says
it has digital coverage, there probably is coverage somewhere within a mile
or two of that spot, but not necessarily the spot you want.
Search these two maps for 17098 Hwy 175, Middletown, CA, 95461
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/CoverageLocatorController
http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer
One is very pretty, the other, realistic.
My GPS coverage is spotty in this area, too, because of the tall trees, but
the map is still there on the GPS.
I work in rural ND and I can tell you AT&T does not work everywhere. I[/quote]
have never had problems with Verizon anyplace and my son who is an over
the road trucker moved from AT&T to Verizon for the same reason--no
problem connecting anywhere.
I do not care what maps show--I care what works when I need it. AT&T
simply does not as good coverage as Verizon
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Rick
Fargo, ND
N 46°53'251"
W 096°48'279"
Remember the USS Liberty
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| Sam Wormley... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:42 pm |
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Nicholas wrote:
[quote]On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:35:17 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1 at (no spam) mchsi.com
wrote:
Mr.mobile wrote:
Hello everyone
I'm new here
I need a gift for my son.
Does anyone have information on this device?
http://astore.amazon.com/ms062-20/detail/B002AKKJWM
Thanks for your help
Better:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/28/google-adds-free-turn-by-turn-navigation-car-dock-ui-to-android/
You HAVE to have internet service/availability to use this nav
feature? Forget about it. I'll take my signals from the satellites.
This, =IMO= is a cutsey feature and fine if you're IN RANGE for a 3G
connection, but if you are rural, it's going to let you down when you
need it most (no Inet signal). I don't trust it right off the bat.
Lg
[/quote]
The GPS chips in smart phone still get their signals from the
satellites. They can use, but are not required to get, ephemeris
data through cellular links... and they can use updated mapping
via the cellular or WiFi links.
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| Nicholas... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:11 pm |
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On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:42:25 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1 at (no spam) mchsi.com>
wrote:
[quote]You HAVE to have internet service/availability to use this nav
feature? Forget about it. I'll take my signals from the satellites.
This, =IMO= is a cutsey feature and fine if you're IN RANGE for a 3G
connection, but if you are rural, it's going to let you down when you
need it most (no Inet signal). I don't trust it right off the bat.
Lg
The GPS chips in smart phone still get their signals from the
satellites. They can use, but are not required to get, ephemeris
data through cellular links... and they can use updated mapping
via the cellular or WiFi links.
:-)
[/quote]
If drivers want to know what things look like outside their window,
then I propose they should look out their window, instead of at a
cluttered hard to see outdated photo of the way things -used- to be on
a little washed out screen.
This is a bad business/marketing decision, and will go the way of the
Pet Rock. Here today, gone tomorrow, and back to maps, which have
served humanity for time immemorial.
Situational awareness must come from outside the vehicle, via the
windows, not by way of schlock photos taken who knows when or how long
ago. At best, it's a gimmick. At worst, a distracting road hazard
that is going to take attention away from where it should be.
One shouldn't have to process fractal geometry in order to figure out
which way to turn at an intersection. A line and an arrow will do.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:14 pm |
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Rick <fholbrook at (no spam) nospam.cableone.net> wrote:
[quote]dold at (no spam) 68.usenet.us.com wrote:
If the AT&T map says a spot has coverage, it does. If the Verizon map
says it has digital coverage, there probably is coverage somewhere
I work in rural ND and I can tell you AT&T does not work everywhere. I
[/quote]
I certainly didn't say that it did.
[quote]have never had problems with Verizon anyplace and my son who is an over
[/quote]
Pfft. It doesn't work everywhere. That's just a silly thing to say. Even
their map doesn't claim that it works everywhere, and I know their map is
very generous.
Friends who are on the road a lot have both Verizon and AT&T, and carry
two phones. I would think an unlocked Verizon Blackberry Tour would be the
cool toy for them. It would favor Verizon, but be able to switch to AT&T
if Verizon weren't available.
[quote]I do not care what maps show--I care what works when I need it. AT&T
[/quote]
AT&T doesn't claim to work at all in Fargo, ND. That's a roaming area.
The closest coverage from AT&T looks like an outgrowth from the Minneapolis's
area.
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Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5 |
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| Sam Wormley... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:23 pm |
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Nicholas wrote:
[quote]On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 00:42:25 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1 at (no spam) mchsi.com
wrote:
You HAVE to have internet service/availability to use this nav
feature? Forget about it. I'll take my signals from the satellites.
This, =IMO= is a cutsey feature and fine if you're IN RANGE for a 3G
connection, but if you are rural, it's going to let you down when you
need it most (no Inet signal). I don't trust it right off the bat.
Lg
The GPS chips in smart phone still get their signals from the
satellites. They can use, but are not required to get, ephemeris
data through cellular links... and they can use updated mapping
via the cellular or WiFi links.
:-)
If drivers want to know what things look like outside their window,
then I propose they should look out their window, instead of at a
cluttered hard to see outdated photo of the way things -used- to be on
a little washed out screen.
This is a bad business/marketing decision, and will go the way of the
Pet Rock. Here today, gone tomorrow, and back to maps, which have
served humanity for time immemorial.
Situational awareness must come from outside the vehicle, via the
windows, not by way of schlock photos taken who knows when or how long
ago. At best, it's a gimmick. At worst, a distracting road hazard
that is going to take attention away from where it should be.
One shouldn't have to process fractal geometry in order to figure out
which way to turn at an intersection. A line and an arrow will do.
Lg
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