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So, once again, we here in BC, not to mention the Mounties, are stymied by
all these sneakers with severed feet end up on our shores. CBC Radio a few
months ago even invited listeners to phone in their conspiracy theories,
which ended up being quite a hoot. Anyway, I mentioned to someone that I'm
getting pissed off at this mystery not being solved, because I just have to
know!!! ya know? :)
Besides asking some of you (former) seafaring gents if you have theories on
how this could happen, I'm appending an article from a book that an
acquaintance directed me to WRT to cargo spillage and the fact that sneakers
are remarkably buoyant. However I cannot imagine any shipping concern
hauling cargos of severed feet in sneakers, but that's just *moi*. I'm
innocent in the ways of such things.
Anyway, for your reading enjoyment/amusement:
(- nilita)
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/Foot-washes-up-on-beach-near-Vancouver_-seventh-found-on-B_C_-beaches-since-2007.html
"Foot washes up on beach near Vancouver; seventh found on B.C.
beaches since 2007
"VANCOUVER, B.C. - Another gruesome mystery foot has washed
ashore in Southern B.C. - the seventh since Aug. 2007.
"Continued ...."
http://flotsametrics.com/excerpt.php
Flotsametrics and the Floating World Flotsametrics and the Floating
World: An Excerpt
Eureka, a Sneaker!
"The ocean is forever asking questions and writing them aloud on the shore."
-Edwin Arlington Robinson, Roman Bartholow
The year 1990 was a watershed year for me, and for flotsam science. No
sooner had I decided to cut back on consulting work and concentrate on my
own research than the other shoe dropped-literally.
On May 27, 1990, the cargo vessel Hansa Carrier, en route from Korea to Los
Angeles, hit a severe, sudden storm. Stowing cargo is critical on today's
ships, whose decks are packed up to seventy feet high with
eight-by-ten-by-forty-foot steel shipping containers. Distribute the weight
unevenly and the ship may heel over in a storm. Lash it too loosely and she
may shed containers like a dog shaking off fleas.
Cargo practices have since improved, but in the 1990s as many as ten
thousand containers may have gone overboard each year. The largest known
spill, during a 1998 typhoon, dropped three to four hundred containers into
the mid-Pacific.
The Hansa Carrier was named after the Hanseatic League, a medieval German
merchant alliance with a famous seafaring history. But the ship's reputation
was less illustrious; her crew was notorious for stowing containers
sloppily, so much so that some of the shippers who'd used her called her
"the ship from hell." When the May 27 storm hit, she lost twenty-one
containers. Five were crammed with Nike shoes-eighty thousand sneakers,
hiking boots, and children's shoes. The pairs were unlaced, so each shoe
became a separate item of flotsam.
As usual, the shipping industry guarded the news closely; shippers and
manufacturers tend to keep their cargo spills secret, to avoid embarrassment
and liability. But then the shoes themselves blew the cover off. Eight
months later, in January 1991, after drifting two thousand miles eastward,
the Nikes began beaching on Vancouver Island. The prevailing winter winds
and currents then pushed them north as far as the Queen Charlotte Islands.
Then the winds shifted, as they do each spring, and blew south through the
summer. Thousands of shoes stranded along the Oregon coast, just a few score
miles from Nike's headquarters outside Portland.
The news media loved the story. One day, when I stopped by my parents' house
for our usual lunch of creamed eggs on toast, my mother pulled out the
newspaper story she'd clipped on the Oregon shoe strandings, and I said I'd
look into it. The floating world had given me the call.
To the ancient Greeks, Nike was the winged goddess of victory, though it was
another god, Hermes, who lent the hero Perseus the winged shoes that let him
fly like a bird. In the late twentieth century, "Nikes" became first guided
missiles, then sneakers. To me, they represented a chance to have a little
fun with ocean currents, and a welcome respite from sewage, oil spills, and
offshore platform designs.
Like an oceanic gumshoe, I set about tracking down
the beached sneakers. When I ask shippers about flotsam washing up from
their container spills, 95 percent stonewall. "We are not aware of any lost
merchandise," goes the standard answer. I could never find out what was in
the other sixteen containers that washed off the Hansa Carrier that day. But
Nike's transportation department was refreshingly open about this spill. Its
staff provided the date, latitude, and longitude and their container load
plan, listing each container's contents down to the last shoe. Unlike many
other footwear manufacturers, Nike stamps a simple identification number, a
"purchase order ID" (POID), on each of its shoes. It tracks its products so
meticulously that it can trace a single shoe to its mother container. For
example, the POID on a three-year-old Nike recovered on Maui, 90 04 06 ST,
indicated that the Korean factory (ST) had received the order in April (04)
for delivery by June (06) 1990.
Following the POID s would eventually enable us to answer the question I'm
always asked when I speak on the Great Sneaker Spill: How many of the five
Nike containers broke open in the storm and disgorged their contents? We've
found hundreds of shoes from each of four containers and not one shoe from
the fifth. Someday, somewhere on the Pacific seabed, submarine archeologists
will find sixteen thousand sneakers nestled in a giant steel shoebox.
With the information Nike provided, we could determine conclusively whether
any shoe that washed up had fallen off the Hansa. The first beachcombers'
reports of sneakers washing up-"forerunners," as one reporter called
them-were equally specific. I had something that's very rare with
spontaneous flotsam (as opposed to determinate drift markers): both point A,
when and where an object starts to drift, and point B, when and where it
washes up.
With this data in hand, I thought of OSCURS, the Ocean Surface Current
Simulator program that Jim Ingraham had developed at NOAA to calculate the
effects of ocean currents on salmon migration. I wondered if OSCURS would
work as well with inanimate drifters as it did with swimming fish; subtract
the fish's swim speed and you should have flotsam. In the decades since grad
school, Jim and I had gone our separate ways, but the sneaker spill
rekindled our friendship. I called him, and he was glad to help.
I decided to stage a blind test of OSCURS. I gave Jim only point A, the
Hansa spill, and asked if he could calculate point B, when and where the
shoes would wash up. "I'll fax back the answer in an hour," he replied.
OSCURS homed in like a carrier pigeon, making direct hits on the earliest
point Bs-November and December 1990 on the Washington coast and January and
February 1991 on Vancouver Island-where the first sneakers washed up. Jim
and I needed more data-the dates and locations of other wash-ups. We began
seeking out beachcombers in Oregon and asking if they'd spotted any Nikes,
but it was a slow, laborious process. Then we hit the jackpot: One
beachcomber directed me to Steve McLeod, a painter in the easygoing resort
town of Cannon Beach. Steve is a classic starving artist; he'd won some
recognition and big commissions but refused to play the corporate game,
preferring to follow his muse and eke out what living he could. He's also a
dedicated beachcomber, which may nurture his muse and certainly boosted his
living on this occasion.
Twenty years earlier, as if by premonition, Steve had painted a picture of
two gigantic hiking boots hovering over an imaginary beach. When he started
finding beached Nikes, a light went on. This was the heyday of sneaker chic,
when newspapers feasted on stories about inner-city kids shooting each other
for their Air Jordans. Scrape off the barnacles, toss the washed-up Nikes in
the washer, add a little bleach, and they looked and felt like new. Steve
became a mail-order matchmaker for hundreds of people up and down the coast
who'd found mismatched sneakers and wanted mates. He negotiated swaps: a
size 10 left for a size 9 right here, a right size 12 for a left size 7
there. Soon everyone wound up with matched pairs, and Steve wound up with a
shoestore's worth. When I visited his loft in Cannon Beach, it was filled
with two-by-four racks covered with drying sneakers. He sold them on the
street, along with his usual trinkets, for $30 each, and took in $1,300.
"Is the shoe worth its salt?" quipped Jim Ingraham. He and I both took to
wearing sea sneakers-in my case, a pair of fluorescent-pink Nike Flights
that Steve gave me.
Better yet, Steve collected even more data than he did sneakers. He had
notes on where and when sixteen hundred shoes had washed up; without him, I
might have collected only a third or half as many reports. All told, we
located "point B" for 2.5 percent of the shoes washed off the Hansa
Carrier-almost as good as the 2.8 percent reporting rate for thirty thousand
scientific message bottles released near the same site in 1958 and 1959 as
part of the International Geophysical Year. Media coverage, swap meets, and
Steve's diligence had proven nearly as effective as bottled pleas at
eliciting responses from finders. It was solid data, good science. And it
was the beginning of a flotsam-monitoring network that now circles the
globe-thousands of sharp-eyed field monitors, volunteers in the search for
telltale flotsam and indicator jetsam.
The sneaker spill introduced me to the world of beachcombing, a culture I
had only brushed up against before but from which I've since learned a great
deal. Beachcombing appeals to deep-seated impulses and aspirations-to the
scientist, explorer, collector, and treasure hunter in everyone and, deepest
of all, to the inner hunter-gatherer. It is poor man's oceanography,
research as play, unconstrained by professional ambition and open to
everyone with eyes to see and feet to walk.
Many beachcombers are uncelebrated salt-of-the-earth types; some are salty
dogs. If they weren't seeking washed-up treasures and curiosities, they
might be home keeping scrapbooks or restoring old cars. Often they have
little formal education, but they're far more intelligent and inquisitive
than many of the academics I've known. Beachcombing is a hobby-an
unfashionable word these days-that opens up on everything else. Franklin D.
Roosevelt credited his uncanny knowledge of world geography and history to
his lifelong passion for stamp collecting. Likewise, to be interested in
beachcombing is to be interested in everything. Beachcombers are the keepers
of the ocean's memory, sifting and sorting the chaotic surfeit thrown up by
waves and tides, transmuting trash into artistic and scientific gold. |
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On Oct 29, 10:14 am, "La N" <nilita2004NOS... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]So, once again, we here in BC, not to mention the Mounties, are stymied by
all these sneakers with severed feet end up on our shores. CBC Radio a few
months ago even invited listeners to phone in their conspiracy theories,
which ended up being quite a hoot. Anyway, I mentioned to someone that I'm
getting pissed off at this mystery not being solved, because I just have to
know!!! ya know? :)
Besides asking some of you (former) seafaring gents if you have theories on
how this could happen, I'm appending an article from a book that an
acquaintance directed me to WRT to cargo spillage and the fact that sneakers
are remarkably buoyant. However I cannot imagine any shipping concern
hauling cargos of severed feet in sneakers, but that's just *moi*. I'm
innocent in the ways of such things.
Anyway, for your reading enjoyment/amusement:
(- nilita)
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/breakingnews/Foot-washes-up-on-beach...
"Foot washes up on beach near Vancouver; seventh found on B.C.
beaches since 2007
"VANCOUVER, B.C. - Another gruesome mystery foot has washed
ashore in Southern B.C. - the seventh since Aug. 2007.
"Continued ...."
http://flotsametrics.com/excerpt.php
Flotsametrics and the Floating World Flotsametrics and the Floating
World: An Excerpt
Eureka, a Sneaker!
"The ocean is forever asking questions and writing them aloud on the shore."
-Edwin Arlington Robinson, Roman Bartholow
The year 1990 was a watershed year for me, and for flotsam science. No
sooner had I decided to cut back on consulting work and concentrate on my
own research than the other shoe dropped-literally.
On May 27, 1990, the cargo vessel Hansa Carrier, en route from Korea to Los
Angeles, hit a severe, sudden storm. Stowing cargo is critical on today's
ships, whose decks are packed up to seventy feet high with
eight-by-ten-by-forty-foot steel shipping containers. Distribute the weight
unevenly and the ship may heel over in a storm. Lash it too loosely and she
may shed containers like a dog shaking off fleas.
Cargo practices have since improved, but in the 1990s as many as ten
thousand containers may have gone overboard each year. The largest known
spill, during a 1998 typhoon, dropped three to four hundred containers into
the mid-Pacific.
The Hansa Carrier was named after the Hanseatic League, a medieval German
merchant alliance with a famous seafaring history. But the ship's reputation
was less illustrious; her crew was notorious for stowing containers
sloppily, so much so that some of the shippers who'd used her called her
"the ship from hell." When the May 27 storm hit, she lost twenty-one
containers. Five were crammed with Nike shoes-eighty thousand sneakers,
hiking boots, and children's shoes. The pairs were unlaced, so each shoe
became a separate item of flotsam.
As usual, the shipping industry guarded the news closely; shippers and
manufacturers tend to keep their cargo spills secret, to avoid embarrassment
and liability. But then the shoes themselves blew the cover off. Eight
months later, in January 1991, after drifting two thousand miles eastward,
the Nikes began beaching on Vancouver Island. The prevailing winter winds
and currents then pushed them north as far as the Queen Charlotte Islands..
Then the winds shifted, as they do each spring, and blew south through the
summer. Thousands of shoes stranded along the Oregon coast, just a few score
miles from Nike's headquarters outside Portland.
The news media loved the story. One day, when I stopped by my parents' house
for our usual lunch of creamed eggs on toast, my mother pulled out the
newspaper story she'd clipped on the Oregon shoe strandings, and I said I'd
look into it. The floating world had given me the call.
To the ancient Greeks, Nike was the winged goddess of victory, though it was
another god, Hermes, who lent the hero Perseus the winged shoes that let him
fly like a bird. In the late twentieth century, "Nikes" became first guided
missiles, then sneakers. To me, they represented a chance to have a little
fun with ocean currents, and a welcome respite from sewage, oil spills, and
offshore platform designs.
Like an oceanic gumshoe, I set about tracking down
the beached sneakers. When I ask shippers about flotsam washing up from
their container spills, 95 percent stonewall. "We are not aware of any lost
merchandise," goes the standard answer. I could never find out what was in
the other sixteen containers that washed off the Hansa Carrier that day. But
Nike's transportation department was refreshingly open about this spill. Its
staff provided the date, latitude, and longitude and their container load
plan, listing each container's contents down to the last shoe. Unlike many
other footwear manufacturers, Nike stamps a simple identification number, a
"purchase order ID" (POID), on each of its shoes. It tracks its products so
meticulously that it can trace a single shoe to its mother container. For
example, the POID on a three-year-old Nike recovered on Maui, 90 04 06 ST,
indicated that the Korean factory (ST) had received the order in April (04)
for delivery by June (06) 1990.
Following the POID s would eventually enable us to answer the question I'm
always asked when I speak on the Great Sneaker Spill: How many of the five
Nike containers broke open in the storm and disgorged their contents? We've
found hundreds of shoes from each of four containers and not one shoe from
the fifth. Someday, somewhere on the Pacific seabed, submarine archeologists
will find sixteen thousand sneakers nestled in a giant steel shoebox.
With the information Nike provided, we could determine conclusively whether
any shoe that washed up had fallen off the Hansa. The first beachcombers'
reports of sneakers washing up-"forerunners," as one reporter called
them-were equally specific. I had something that's very rare with
spontaneous flotsam (as opposed to determinate drift markers): both point A,
when and where an object starts to drift, and point B, when and where it
washes up.
With this data in hand, I thought of OSCURS, the Ocean Surface Current
Simulator program that Jim Ingraham had developed at NOAA to calculate the
effects of ocean currents on salmon migration. I wondered if OSCURS would
work as well with inanimate drifters as it did with swimming fish; subtract
the fish's swim speed and you should have flotsam. In the decades since grad
school, Jim and I had gone our separate ways, but the sneaker spill
rekindled our friendship. I called him, and he was glad to help.
I decided to stage a blind test of OSCURS. I gave Jim only point A, the
Hansa spill, and asked if he could calculate point B, when and where the
shoes would wash up. "I'll fax back the answer in an hour," he replied.
OSCURS homed in like a carrier pigeon, making direct hits on the earliest
point Bs-November and December 1990 on the Washington coast and January and
February 1991 on Vancouver Island-where the first sneakers washed up. Jim
and I needed more data-the dates and locations of other wash-ups. We began
seeking out beachcombers in Oregon and asking if they'd spotted any Nikes,
but it was a slow, laborious process. Then we hit the jackpot: One
beachcomber directed me to Steve McLeod, a painter in the easygoing resort
town of Cannon Beach. Steve is a classic starving artist; he'd won some
recognition and big commissions but refused to play the corporate game,
preferring to follow his muse and eke out what living he could. He's also a
dedicated beachcomber, which may nurture his muse and certainly boosted his
living on this occasion.
Twenty years earlier, as if by premonition, Steve had painted a picture of
two gigantic hiking boots hovering over an imaginary beach. When he started
finding beached Nikes, a light went on. This was the heyday of sneaker chic,
when newspapers feasted on stories about inner-city kids shooting each other
for their Air Jordans. Scrape off the barnacles, toss the washed-up Nikes in
the washer, add a little bleach, and they looked and felt like new. Steve
became a mail-order matchmaker for hundreds of people up and down the coast
who'd found mismatched sneakers and wanted mates. He negotiated swaps: a
size 10 left for a size 9 right here, a right size 12 for a left size 7
there. Soon everyone wound up with matched pairs, and Steve wound up with a
shoestore's worth. When I visited his loft in Cannon Beach, it was filled
with two-by-four racks covered with drying sneakers. He sold them on the
street, along with his usual trinkets, for $30 each, and took in $1,300.
"Is the shoe worth its salt?" quipped Jim Ingraham. He and I both took to
wearing sea sneakers-in my case, a pair of fluorescent-pink Nike Flights
that Steve gave me.
Better yet, Steve collected even more data than he did sneakers. He had
notes on where and when sixteen hundred shoes had washed up; without him, I
might have collected only a third or half as many reports. All told, we
located "point B" for 2.5 percent of the shoes washed off the Hansa
Carrier-almost as good as the 2.8 percent reporting rate for thirty thousand
scientific message bottles released near the same site in 1958 and 1959 as
part of the International Geophysical Year. Media coverage, swap meets, and
Steve's diligence had proven nearly as effective as bottled pleas at
eliciting responses from finders. It was solid data, good science. And it
was the beginning of a flotsam-monitoring network that now circles the
globe-thousands of sharp-eyed field monitors, volunteers in the search for
telltale flotsam and indicator jetsam.
The sneaker spill introduced me to the world of beachcombing, a culture I
had only brushed up against before but from which I've since learned a great
deal. Beachcombing appeals to deep-seated impulses and aspirations-to the
scientist, explorer, collector, and treasure hunter in everyone and, deepest
of all, to the inner hunter-gatherer. It ...
read more »
[/quote]
Perhaps Dexter moved to Victoria and using inferior Canadican plastic
bags, they have broken and the more buoyant objects have done what
they are wont to do? ;)
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:30 am |
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On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:14:16 GMT, "La N" <nilita2004NOSPAM at (no spam) yahoo.com>
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I see that Canadian Coyotes don't like folk music either......
Eugene L Griessel
Oh, no! Not ANOTHER learning experience!
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| La N... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 11:52 am |
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Eugene Griessel wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:14:16 GMT, "La N" <nilita2004NOSPAM at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:
I see that Canadian Coyotes don't like folk music either......
[/quote]
You heard about it, eh? Sad sad sad.
For those, who didn't (RIP: Taylor Mitchell, age 1 :
Take a listen to some of her music:
http://www.myspace.com/taylormitchellband
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2154123
Toronto musician dies after coyote attack in Cape Breton
Mary Vallis, National Post Published: Wednesday, October 28, 2009
Taylor Mitchell, an up-and-coming singer-songwriter from Toronto, died this
morning after she was attacked by two coyotes while hiking in Cape Breton
Highlands National Park yesterday.
"[The victim] was airlifted to the QEII hospital in Halifax, where she died
of her injuries early this morning," Sgt. Bridgit Leger of the RCMP said in
an interview.
Officers with the RCMP detachment in Cheticamp, N.S., responded to a 911
call placed around 3:15 p.m. yesterday. When they arrived on Skyline Trail,
a popular hiking route in the park, they found two coyotes attacking the
young hiker.
The coyotes continued to act aggressively after officers arrived. An officer
shot one of the animals; it hobbled away and its body has not been
recovered, Sgt. Leger said. The other coyote fled into the park.
Police have not yet confirmed the victim's identity, but Ms. Mitchell's
publicist confirmed an email to media that it was her.
Ms. Mitchell's MySpace and Facebook pages indicate she was on tour in the
Maritimes on her "Atlantic Winds and Sea Shanties" tour. Earlier this month
she was nominated for the Canadian Folk Music Awards' Young Performer of the
Year.
According to her website, she was 18 years old and a recent graduate of the
Etobicoke School of the Arts, where she majored in musical theatre.
One of the singer's last shows was at the Broadway Cafe in Sussex, N.B., on
Oct. 24. She played an acoustic set to a crowd of two dozen.
"I'm shocked," Randi Griffin, the cafe's owner, said this morning. "She was
great."
Ms. Mitchell - who was scheduled to play in Margaretsville, N.S., on Oct..
30 - is believed to have been hiking alone. Police are now in the process of
contacting the victim's family. The 911 call was placed by another hiker who
stumbled upon the attack while it was in progress.
Reports say she suffered bite wounds all over her body.
Parks staff are now searching for the second coyote, which will be destroyed
if it is found, said Germaine LaMoine, a spokesman for the Cape Breton field
unit for Parks Canada.
"The trail has been closed and it is secure," Ms. LaMoine said. "We're very
concerned about public safety. That's foremost on our minds. We are keeping
it closed until that second animal has been located and disposed of."
Ms. LaMoine said the attack in the park are not common. Tests will be
conducted on the coyotes' carcasses if they are recovered.
Seven kilometres long, Skyline Trail, is popular with hikers for its
spectacular ocean views and whale-watching opportunities. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:52 pm |
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"La N" <nilita2004NOSPAM at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:KDkGm.50720$PH1.26522 at (no spam) edtnps82...
[quote]Eugene Griessel wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:14:16 GMT, "La N" <nilita2004NOSPAM at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:
I see that Canadian Coyotes don't like folk music either......
You heard about it, eh? Sad sad sad.
For those, who didn't (RIP: Taylor Mitchell, age 1:
Take a listen to some of her music:
http://www.myspace.com/taylormitchellband
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2154123
Toronto musician dies after coyote attack in Cape Breton
Mary Vallis, National Post Published: Wednesday, October 28, 2009
Taylor Mitchell, an up-and-coming singer-songwriter from Toronto, died
this
morning after she was attacked by two coyotes while hiking in Cape Breton
Highlands National Park yesterday.
"[The victim] was airlifted to the QEII hospital in Halifax, where she
died
of her injuries early this morning," Sgt. Bridgit Leger of the RCMP said
in
an interview.
Officers with the RCMP detachment in Cheticamp, N.S., responded to a 911
call placed around 3:15 p.m. yesterday. When they arrived on Skyline
Trail,
a popular hiking route in the park, they found two coyotes attacking the
young hiker.
The coyotes continued to act aggressively after officers arrived. An
officer
shot one of the animals; it hobbled away and its body has not been
recovered, Sgt. Leger said. The other coyote fled into the park.
Police have not yet confirmed the victim's identity, but Ms. Mitchell's
publicist confirmed an email to media that it was her.
Ms. Mitchell's MySpace and Facebook pages indicate she was on tour in the
Maritimes on her "Atlantic Winds and Sea Shanties" tour. Earlier this
month
she was nominated for the Canadian Folk Music Awards' Young Performer of
the
Year.
According to her website, she was 18 years old and a recent graduate of
the
Etobicoke School of the Arts, where she majored in musical theatre.
One of the singer's last shows was at the Broadway Cafe in Sussex, N.B.,
on
Oct. 24. She played an acoustic set to a crowd of two dozen.
"I'm shocked," Randi Griffin, the cafe's owner, said this morning. "She
was
great."
Ms. Mitchell - who was scheduled to play in Margaretsville, N.S., on Oct..
30 - is believed to have been hiking alone. Police are now in the process
of
contacting the victim's family. The 911 call was placed by another hiker
who
stumbled upon the attack while it was in progress.
Reports say she suffered bite wounds all over her body.
Parks staff are now searching for the second coyote, which will be
destroyed
if it is found, said Germaine LaMoine, a spokesman for the Cape Breton
field
unit for Parks Canada.
"The trail has been closed and it is secure," Ms. LaMoine said. "We're
very
concerned about public safety. That's foremost on our minds. We are
keeping
it closed until that second animal has been located and disposed of."
Ms. LaMoine said the attack in the park are not common. Tests will be
conducted on the coyotes' carcasses if they are recovered.
Seven kilometres long, Skyline Trail, is popular with hikers for its
spectacular ocean views and whale-watching opportunities.
[/quote]
It's rare for Coyotes to attack adults.
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/5579952/detail.html
At the George Wright Golf Course in the Hyde Park neighborhood of Boston a
group of coyotes attacked a dog walking with it's owner but they ignored the
owner.
Coyotes are quite the nuisance in the area, I worry every time my cat goes
out at night.
posters on poles and in stores and flyers asking if you've seen Fluffy{or
Ginger as the one on my front steps yesterday asked}are all too common. |
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On Oct 30, 11:02 am, "a425couple" <a425cou... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]"La N" <nilita2004NOS... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message...
So, once again, we here in BC, not to mention the Mounties, are stymied by
all these sneakers with severed feet end up on our shores. CBC Radio a
few months ago even invited listeners to phone in their conspiracy
theories, which ended up being quite a hoot. Anyway, I mentioned to
someone that I'm getting pissed off at this mystery not being solved,
because I just have to know!!! ya know? 
I'm appending an article --
Nice read or reread.
Besides asking some of you (former) seafaring gents if you have theories
on how this could happen,
I do not see any conspiracy.
Fishing/crabbing ships, small pleasure boats and/or just
individuals that are on them or on merchant ships are often
enough lost at sea.
Over time, the bodies decompose, and separate.
If they happen to be wearing a very floatable shoe,
(as a fair number happen now to be doing)
the shoe (and some included contents) will float
and drift, some eventually end up on a beach and found.
So, IMHO, the only thing new/unusual in this is that
in the past nothing of many lost bodies was ever found.
Now many have laced one small part in a float.
So these are being found.
Schucks, probably should even include some aircraft
crashes. How many complete bodies were ever
recovered from KAL 007?
[/quote]
Look at an ordinary crowd, like in a mall or grocery store. Around 80%
are wearing athletic shoes. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:02 am |
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"La N" <nilita2004NOSPAM at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message...
[quote]So, once again, we here in BC, not to mention the Mounties, are stymied by
all these sneakers with severed feet end up on our shores. CBC Radio a
few months ago even invited listeners to phone in their conspiracy
theories, which ended up being quite a hoot. Anyway, I mentioned to
someone that I'm getting pissed off at this mystery not being solved,
because I just have to know!!! ya know?
I'm appending an article --
[/quote]
Nice read or reread.
[quote]Besides asking some of you (former) seafaring gents if you have theories
on how this could happen,
[/quote]
I do not see any conspiracy.
Fishing/crabbing ships, small pleasure boats and/or just
individuals that are on them or on merchant ships are often
enough lost at sea.
Over time, the bodies decompose, and separate.
If they happen to be wearing a very floatable shoe,
(as a fair number happen now to be doing)
the shoe (and some included contents) will float
and drift, some eventually end up on a beach and found.
So, IMHO, the only thing new/unusual in this is that
in the past nothing of many lost bodies was ever found.
Now many have laced one small part in a float.
So these are being found.
Schucks, probably should even include some aircraft
crashes. How many complete bodies were ever
recovered from KAL 007? |
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| Richard Casady... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:54 am |
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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:07:57 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum
<jacklinthicum at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 30, 11:02 am, "a425couple" <a425cou... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
"La N" <nilita2004NOS... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message...
So, once again, we here in BC, not to mention the Mounties, are stymied by
all these sneakers with severed feet end up on our shores. CBC Radio a
few months ago even invited listeners to phone in their conspiracy
theories, which ended up being quite a hoot. Anyway, I mentioned to
someone that I'm getting pissed off at this mystery not being solved,
because I just have to know!!! ya know?
I'm appending an article --
Nice read or reread.
Besides asking some of you (former) seafaring gents if you have theories
on how this could happen,
I do not see any conspiracy.
Fishing/crabbing ships, small pleasure boats and/or just
individuals that are on them or on merchant ships are often
enough lost at sea.
Over time, the bodies decompose, and separate.
If they happen to be wearing a very floatable shoe,
(as a fair number happen now to be doing)
the shoe (and some included contents) will float
and drift, some eventually end up on a beach and found.
So, IMHO, the only thing new/unusual in this is that
in the past nothing of many lost bodies was ever found.
Now many have laced one small part in a float.
So these are being found.
Schucks, probably should even include some aircraft
crashes. How many complete bodies were ever
recovered from KAL 007?
[/quote]
This is where stuff dumped in vast portions of theNorthern Pacific
ends up. Shoes from the Great Sneaker Spill are still turning up after
more than a decade. The shoes are numbered and you can tell which of
four containers they were in. The fifth container seems to be intact,
somewhere, no shoes from it have shown. One ship lost sixty boxes, the
record.
Casady |
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| Jack Linthicum... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:06 am |
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On Oct 30, 3:55 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <raymond-oh... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]"Richard Casady" <richardcas... at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:4aed09d8.444432777 at (no spam) news.east.earthlink.net...
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:07:57 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum
jacklinthi... at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
On Oct 30, 11:02 am, "a425couple" <a425cou... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
"La N" <nilita2004NOS... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message...
So, once again, we here in BC, not to mention the Mounties, are
stymied by
all these sneakers with severed feet end up on our shores. CBC Radio a
few months ago even invited listeners to phone in their conspiracy
theories, which ended up being quite a hoot. Anyway, I mentioned to
someone that I'm getting pissed off at this mystery not being solved,
because I just have to know!!! ya know?
I'm appending an article --
Nice read or reread.
Besides asking some of you (former) seafaring gents if you have
theories
on how this could happen,
I do not see any conspiracy.
Fishing/crabbing ships, small pleasure boats and/or just
individuals that are on them or on merchant ships are often
enough lost at sea.
Over time, the bodies decompose, and separate.
If they happen to be wearing a very floatable shoe,
(as a fair number happen now to be doing)
the shoe (and some included contents) will float
and drift, some eventually end up on a beach and found.
So, IMHO, the only thing new/unusual in this is that
in the past nothing of many lost bodies was ever found.
Now many have laced one small part in a float.
So these are being found.
Schucks, probably should even include some aircraft
crashes. How many complete bodies were ever
recovered from KAL 007?
This is where stuff dumped in vast portions of theNorthern Pacific
ends up. Shoes from the Great Sneaker Spill are still turning up after
more than a decade. The shoes are numbered and you can tell which of
four containers they were in. The fifth container seems to be intact,
somewhere, no shoes from it have shown. One ship lost sixty boxes, the
record.
Casady
they don't ship sneakers with feet already in them.
[/quote]
This first was identified and associated to a deceased male. The two
female feet found in Richmond were matched in December 2008. The two
male feet found on Valdez Island and Westham Island were matched in
July 2008, and the male right foot found on Gabriola Island in August
2007 remains unidentified, according to the RCMP release.
There has been no evidence to date to support foul play in relation to
these discoveries, and it appears that all remains separated from the
body through a natural process, police said. It isn't clear how the
bodies got into the water.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2009/10/28/bc-foot-found-running-shoe-richmond.html |
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| Ray O'Hara... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:55 pm |
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"Richard Casady" <richardcasady at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:4aed09d8.444432777 at (no spam) news.east.earthlink.net...
[quote]On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:07:57 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum
jacklinthicum at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
On Oct 30, 11:02 am, "a425couple" <a425cou... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
"La N" <nilita2004NOS... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message...
So, once again, we here in BC, not to mention the Mounties, are
stymied by
all these sneakers with severed feet end up on our shores. CBC Radio a
few months ago even invited listeners to phone in their conspiracy
theories, which ended up being quite a hoot. Anyway, I mentioned to
someone that I'm getting pissed off at this mystery not being solved,
because I just have to know!!! ya know?
I'm appending an article --
Nice read or reread.
Besides asking some of you (former) seafaring gents if you have
theories
on how this could happen,
I do not see any conspiracy.
Fishing/crabbing ships, small pleasure boats and/or just
individuals that are on them or on merchant ships are often
enough lost at sea.
Over time, the bodies decompose, and separate.
If they happen to be wearing a very floatable shoe,
(as a fair number happen now to be doing)
the shoe (and some included contents) will float
and drift, some eventually end up on a beach and found.
So, IMHO, the only thing new/unusual in this is that
in the past nothing of many lost bodies was ever found.
Now many have laced one small part in a float.
So these are being found.
Schucks, probably should even include some aircraft
crashes. How many complete bodies were ever
recovered from KAL 007?
This is where stuff dumped in vast portions of theNorthern Pacific
ends up. Shoes from the Great Sneaker Spill are still turning up after
more than a decade. The shoes are numbered and you can tell which of
four containers they were in. The fifth container seems to be intact,
somewhere, no shoes from it have shown. One ship lost sixty boxes, the
record.
Casady
[/quote]
they don't ship sneakers with feet already in them. |
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| Richard Casady... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:00 am |
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On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:52:42 GMT, "La N" <nilita2004NOSPAM at (no spam) yahoo.com>
wrote:
[quote]Taylor Mitchell, an up-and-coming singer-songwriter from Toronto, died this
morning after she was attacked by two coyotes while hiking in Cape Breton
Highlands National Park yesterday.
[/quote]
Gun control scores again. They invented the pistol so you could always
have an effective weapon handy. Trouble with a shotgun, quarterstaff,
or spear is that they are too much trouble. The boy scout motto is 'Be
Prepared', and they do mostly carry knives. If I had been there I
would have been wearing my 9 1/2 inch Bowie knife, and I would have
cut first and made the phone call later.
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| Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D.... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:09 pm |
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Richard Casady wrote:
[quote]
Trouble with a shotgun, quarterstaff,
or spear is that they are too much trouble.
[/quote]
But you do agree that one has the God-given right to openly carry a shotgun
on the downtown streets, right?
--
Each person has an individual responsibility to determine if his actions are moral, and
no government or army may ever take that responsibility away.
definition:
murder - the unjustifiable and intentional killing of people, NO EXCEPTIONS. |
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| None4U... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:39 am |
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"Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <drvq at (no spam) coldine.edu> wrote in message
news:WKednQP6fcT3xnPXnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d at (no spam) supernews.com...
[quote]Richard Casady wrote:
Trouble with a shotgun, quarterstaff,
or spear is that they are too much trouble.
But you do agree that one has the God-given right to openly carry a
shotgun
on the downtown streets, right?
--
Each person has an individual responsibility to determine if his actions
are moral, and
no government or army may ever take that responsibility away.
definition:
murder - the unjustifiable and intentional killing of people, NO
EXCEPTIONS.
[/quote]
But it doesnt say that all killings are unjustifiable. They arent. And
carrying a gun isnt a god given right either. |
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| David E. Powell... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:14 am |
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On Nov 2, 4:39 am, "None4U" <nos... at (no spam) nospam.none> wrote:
[quote]"Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <d... at (no spam) coldine.edu> wrote in messagenews:WKednQP6fcT3xnPXnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d at (no spam) supernews.com...
Richard Casady wrote:
Trouble with a shotgun, quarterstaff,
or spear is that they are too much trouble.
But you do agree that one has the God-given right to openly carry a
shotgun
on the downtown streets, right?
--
Each person has an individual responsibility to determine if his actions
are moral, and
no government or army may ever take that responsibility away.
definition:
murder - the unjustifiable and intentional killing of people, NO
EXCEPTIONS.
But it doesnt say that all killings are unjustifiable. They arent. And
carrying a gun isnt a god given right .
[/quote]
Not to mention that plenty of killing went on before guns were
invented, and plenty goes on today where they aren't involved.
Not sure about carrying but self defense with any means is a natural
right of any creature. |
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| SaPeIsMa... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 3:57 pm |
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"Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D." <drvq at (no spam) coldine.edu> wrote in message
news:WKednQP6fcT3xnPXnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d at (no spam) supernews.com...
[quote]Richard Casady wrote:
Trouble with a shotgun, quarterstaff,
or spear is that they are too much trouble.
But you do agree that one has the God-given right to openly carry a
shotgun
on the downtown streets, right?
[/quote]
"God-given" ?
Surely you can quote some religious document to support that claim
On the other hand, you have a STATE-constitutionally-DECLARED right to do so
in Vermont and Alaska.
Ironic isn't it that Vermont has also one of the CONSISTENLY lowest crime
rates of all the 50 states
So what exactly was your point with that dishonest strawman question ? |
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