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| Andrew Swallow... |
 Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:24 pm |
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Eugene Griessel wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 07:08:20 +0000, Andrew Swallow
am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote:
Paul J. Adam wrote:
In message <y9KdnbOm6fOyE23XnZ2dnUVZ8h5i4p2d at (no spam) bt.com>, Andrew Swallow
am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> writes
No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on suicide
bans weapons.
And this is why we don't arm soldiers, because they'll only kill
themselves with their firearms...?
Possibly why in Britain soldiers have to put away their weapons
when off duty.
And why do traffic policemen have to put away their motorbikes when
off duty?
[/quote]
Because their wives complain about oil stains on the carpet. ;)
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| Andrew Swallow... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:33 pm |
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Fred J. McCall wrote:
{snip}
[quote]
The suicide rate in Scotland is much higher (by some 50%) than the
suicide rate in the United States. Explain.
Depression caused by Glasgow plus insufficient sun.[/quote]
Andrew Swallow |
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| Andrew Swallow... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:36 pm |
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Fred J. McCall wrote:
[quote]Andrew Swallow <am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote:
:Paul J. Adam wrote:
:> In message <y9KdnbOm6fOyE23XnZ2dnUVZ8h5i4p2d at (no spam) bt.com>, Andrew Swallow
:> <am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> writes
:>> No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on suicide
:>> bans weapons.
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:> And this is why we don't arm soldiers, because they'll only kill
:> themselves with their firearms...?
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:Possibly why in Britain soldiers have to put away their weapons
:when off duty.
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So why do they arm them the rest of the time? I mean, they're most
likely to hurt themselves with those weapons...
Occupational hazard - off base the IRA and Taliban shoot at them.[/quote]
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| Fred J. McCall... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:42 pm |
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Andrew Swallow <am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote:
:Fred J. McCall wrote:
:{snip}
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:> The suicide rate in Scotland is much higher (by some 50%) than the
:> suicide rate in the United States. Explain.
:>
:Depression caused by Glasgow plus insufficient sun.
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And they manage all that without firearms. Hence my point (which you
snipped).
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"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn |
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| Fred J. McCall... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:43 pm |
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Andrew Swallow <am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote:
:Fred J. McCall wrote:
:> Andrew Swallow <am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote:
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:> :Paul J. Adam wrote:
:> :> In message <y9KdnbOm6fOyE23XnZ2dnUVZ8h5i4p2d at (no spam) bt.com>, Andrew Swallow
:> :> <am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> writes
:> :>> No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on suicide
:> :>> bans weapons.
:> :>
:> :> And this is why we don't arm soldiers, because they'll only kill
:> :> themselves with their firearms...?
:> :>
:> :
:> :Possibly why in Britain soldiers have to put away their weapons
:> :when off duty.
:> :
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:> So why do they arm them the rest of the time? I mean, they're most
:> likely to hurt themselves with those weapons...
:>
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:Occupational hazard - off base the IRA and Taliban shoot at them.
:
But if "Weapons are most likely to hurt your self", why would giving
troops weapons help with that?
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"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
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| Peter Skelton... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:50 pm |
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:36:02 -0700, Fred J. McCall
<fjmccall at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Eugene Griessel <eugene at (no spam) dynagen.co.za> wrote:
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 o you have stats for suicides involving guns? I know it's pretty low
:around these parts!
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Suicides make up around 56% of all gun deaths in the United States. In
2006 there were 16,883 firearm suicides. However, since suicides will
typically find some method other than firearms if a firearm is not
available, I consider that number to be pretty meaningless.
[/quote]
So we can add suicide to the lengthy list of things you knwo
nothing about.
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| SaPeIsMa... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:20 pm |
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"Jack Linthicum" <jacklinthicum at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:61bd78b0-34f5-4752-a5c8-a91543e83206 at (no spam) a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 5, 7:13 am, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPeI... at (no spam) HotMail.com> wrote:
[quote]"Andrew Swallow" <am.swal... at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:nZudnZZBastD5G_XnZ2dnUVZ8rNi4p2d at (no spam) bt.com...
Paul J. Adam wrote:
In message <y9KdnbOm6fOyE23XnZ2dnUVZ8h5i4... at (no spam) bt.com>, Andrew Swallow
am.swal... at (no spam) btopenworld.com> writes
No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on suicide
bans weapons.
And this is why we don't arm soldiers, because they'll only kill
themselves with their firearms...?
Possibly why in Britain soldiers have to put away their weapons
when off duty.
LOL
Everything is possible
Now change soldiers to police.
By the way, explain to us why in rhe US, with over 300,000,000 guns in
private hands, there are only about 900 fatal accidents annually, while
with
about the same number of cars, there are over 42,000 accidental deaths.
Oh and about 8,000,000,000,000 billion rounds of ammo are fired off with
those guns annually.
Your claim does not hold water
I als notice that you shied away from answering my post.
#[/quote]
# First, few people drink and shoot
#
And ?
Are you trying to make a point, excuses, what ? |
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| Fred J. McCall... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:01 pm |
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Peter Skelton <skeltonp at (no spam) cogeco.ca> wrote:
:On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:36:02 -0700, Fred J. McCall
:<fjmccall at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
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:>Eugene Griessel <eugene at (no spam) dynagen.co.za> wrote:
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:>:
:>o you have stats for suicides involving guns? I know it's pretty low
:>:around these parts!
:>:
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:>Suicides make up around 56% of all gun deaths in the United States. In
:>2006 there were 16,883 firearm suicides. However, since suicides will
:>typically find some method other than firearms if a firearm is not
:>available, I consider that number to be pretty meaningless.
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:So we can add suicide to the lengthy list of things you knwo
:nothing about.
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<yawn>
So how does Scotland manage a much higher suicide rate without all
those guns to 'encourage' them, Peter?
Canada's suicide rate is also higher than that of the United States.
Explain?
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"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the
truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
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| William Black... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:23 pm |
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Fred J. McCall wrote:
[quote]Peter Skelton <skeltonp at (no spam) cogeco.ca> wrote:
:On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:36:02 -0700, Fred J. McCall
:<fjmccall at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
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:>Eugene Griessel <eugene at (no spam) dynagen.co.za> wrote:
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:>:
:>o you have stats for suicides involving guns? I know it's pretty low
:>:around these parts!
:>:
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:>Suicides make up around 56% of all gun deaths in the United States. In
:>2006 there were 16,883 firearm suicides. However, since suicides will
:>typically find some method other than firearms if a firearm is not
:>available, I consider that number to be pretty meaningless.
:
:So we can add suicide to the lengthy list of things you knwo
:nothing about.
:
yawn
So how does Scotland manage a much higher suicide rate without all
those guns to 'encourage' them, Peter?
Canada's suicide rate is also higher than that of the United States.
Explain?
[/quote]
You need to read a book by a bloke called Emil Durkheim called 'Suicide'.
Don't worry, it's not a 'how to' manual.
--
William Black
"Any number under six"
The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
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| Peter Skelton... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:37 pm |
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:01:50 -0700, Fred J. McCall
<fjmccall at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Peter Skelton <skeltonp at (no spam) cogeco.ca> wrote:
:On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:36:02 -0700, Fred J. McCall
:<fjmccall at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
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:>Eugene Griessel <eugene at (no spam) dynagen.co.za> wrote:
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:>:
:>o you have stats for suicides involving guns? I know it's pretty low
:>:around these parts!
:>:
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:>Suicides make up around 56% of all gun deaths in the United States. In
:>2006 there were 16,883 firearm suicides. However, since suicides will
:>typically find some method other than firearms if a firearm is not
:>available, I consider that number to be pretty meaningless.
:
:So we can add suicide to the lengthy list of things you knwo
:nothing about.
:
yawn
So how does Scotland manage a much higher suicide rate without all
those guns to 'encourage' them, Peter?
Canada's suicide rate is also higher than that of the United States.
Explain?
[/quote]
Your contention that potential suicides will typically change
method if one is not avaiable is nonsense Fred, as for your
utterly irrelevant reply, it shows, again, your lack of
knowledge. You do cherry-pick data rather nicely though which
demonstrates your willingness to misuse data you do not
understand to demonstrate a point you also do not comprehend.
Yes, I'm calling you an idiot and deliberate liar. I insulted you
first, it really happened this time. Treasure it, I've given you
the chance to be both insulting and truthful.
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| Fred J. McCall... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:43 pm |
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William Black <william.black at (no spam) hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
:Fred J. McCall wrote:
:> Peter Skelton <skeltonp at (no spam) cogeco.ca> wrote:
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:> :On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:36:02 -0700, Fred J. McCall
:> :<fjmccall at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
:> :
:> :>Eugene Griessel <eugene at (no spam) dynagen.co.za> wrote:
:> :>
:> :>:
:> :>o you have stats for suicides involving guns? I know it's pretty low
:> :>:around these parts!
:> :>:
:> :>
:> :>Suicides make up around 56% of all gun deaths in the United States. In
:> :>2006 there were 16,883 firearm suicides. However, since suicides will
:> :>typically find some method other than firearms if a firearm is not
:> :>available, I consider that number to be pretty meaningless.
:> :
:> :So we can add suicide to the lengthy list of things you knwo
:> :nothing about.
:> :
:>
:> <yawn>
:>
:> So how does Scotland manage a much higher suicide rate without all
:> those guns to 'encourage' them, Peter?
:>
:> Canada's suicide rate is also higher than that of the United States.
:>
:> Explain?
:>
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:You need to read a book by a bloke called Emil Durkheim called 'Suicide'.
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Evasion noted.
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:Don't worry, it's not a 'how to' manual.
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I already know how to kill people.
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"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
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| SaPeIsMa... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:58 pm |
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"Jack Linthicum" <jacklinthicum at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:ed8e2165-d442-41fc-a0a7-1a716c67f75c at (no spam) e34g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 5, 4:20 pm, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPeI... at (no spam) HotMail.com> wrote:
[quote]"Jack Linthicum" <jacklinthi... at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:61bd78b0-34f5-4752-a5c8-a91543e83206 at (no spam) a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 5, 7:13 am, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPeI... at (no spam) HotMail.com> wrote:
"Andrew Swallow" <am.swal... at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:nZudnZZBastD5G_XnZ2dnUVZ8rNi4p2d at (no spam) bt.com...
Paul J. Adam wrote:
In message <y9KdnbOm6fOyE23XnZ2dnUVZ8h5i4... at (no spam) bt.com>, Andrew Swallow
am.swal... at (no spam) btopenworld.com> writes
No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on suicide
bans weapons.
And this is why we don't arm soldiers, because they'll only kill
themselves with their firearms...?
Possibly why in Britain soldiers have to put away their weapons
when off duty.
LOL
Everything is possible
Now change soldiers to police.
By the way, explain to us why in rhe US, with over 300,000,000 guns in
private hands, there are only about 900 fatal accidents annually, while
with
about the same number of cars, there are over 42,000 accidental deaths.
Oh and about 8,000,000,000,000 billion rounds of ammo are fired off with
those guns annually.
Your claim does not hold water
I als notice that you shied away from answering my post.
#
# First, few people drink and shoot
#
And ?
Are you trying to make a point, excuses, what ?
#[/quote]
# Well, in very simple words, especially pared down to your apparent
# ability to understand the written English word, there is a phrase used
# in automobile safety slogans "don't drink and drive".
So in your simple world ALL car accidents are because people drink and drive
?
Are you really this stupid and ignorant ?
Or do you practise for it ? |
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| Andrew Swallow... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:13 pm |
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SaPeIsMa wrote:
[quote]
"Jack Linthicum" <jacklinthicum at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:ed8e2165-d442-41fc-a0a7-1a716c67f75c at (no spam) e34g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 5, 4:20 pm, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPeI... at (no spam) HotMail.com> wrote:
"Jack Linthicum" <jacklinthi... at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:61bd78b0-34f5-4752-a5c8-a91543e83206 at (no spam) a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 5, 7:13 am, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPeI... at (no spam) HotMail.com> wrote:
"Andrew Swallow" <am.swal... at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:nZudnZZBastD5G_XnZ2dnUVZ8rNi4p2d at (no spam) bt.com...
Paul J. Adam wrote:
In message <y9KdnbOm6fOyE23XnZ2dnUVZ8h5i4... at (no spam) bt.com>, Andrew Swallow
am.swal... at (no spam) btopenworld.com> writes
No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on
suicide
bans weapons.
And this is why we don't arm soldiers, because they'll only kill
themselves with their firearms...?
Possibly why in Britain soldiers have to put away their weapons
when off duty.
LOL
Everything is possible
Now change soldiers to police.
By the way, explain to us why in rhe US, with over 300,000,000 guns in
private hands, there are only about 900 fatal accidents annually, while
with
about the same number of cars, there are over 42,000 accidental deaths.
Oh and about 8,000,000,000,000 billion rounds of ammo are fired off
with
those guns annually.
Your claim does not hold water
I als notice that you shied away from answering my post.
#
# First, few people drink and shoot
#
And ?
Are you trying to make a point, excuses, what ?
#
# Well, in very simple words, especially pared down to your apparent
# ability to understand the written English word, there is a phrase used
# in automobile safety slogans "don't drink and drive".
So in your simple world ALL car accidents are because people drink and
drive ?
Are you really this stupid and ignorant ?
Or do you practise for it ?
[/quote]
This is fun.
SaPeIsMa Do you realise that you are arguing with *pro* gun people?
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| Fred J. McCall... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:38 pm |
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Peter Skelton <skeltonp at (no spam) cogeco.ca> wrote:
:On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:01:50 -0700, Fred J. McCall
:<fjmccall at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
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:>Peter Skelton <skeltonp at (no spam) cogeco.ca> wrote:
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:>:On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 09:36:02 -0700, Fred J. McCall
:>:<fjmccall at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
:>:
:>:>Eugene Griessel <eugene at (no spam) dynagen.co.za> wrote:
:>:>
:>:>:
:>:>o you have stats for suicides involving guns? I know it's pretty low
:>:>:around these parts!
:>:>:
:>:>
:>:>Suicides make up around 56% of all gun deaths in the United States. In
:>:>2006 there were 16,883 firearm suicides. However, since suicides will
:>:>typically find some method other than firearms if a firearm is not
:>:>available, I consider that number to be pretty meaningless.
:>:
:>:So we can add suicide to the lengthy list of things you knwo
:>:nothing about.
:>:
:>
:><yawn>
:>
:>So how does Scotland manage a much higher suicide rate without all
:>those guns to 'encourage' them, Peter?
:>
:>Canada's suicide rate is also higher than that of the United States.
:>
:>Explain?
:
:Your contention that potential suicides will typically change
:method if one is not avaiable is nonsense Fred,
:
Your evasion of the question is noted. Scotland has gun control. The
Scottish suicide rate is MUCH higher than that of the US. Canada has
gun control. The Canadian suicide rate is higher than that of the US.
Again, how do you explain how they accomplish that if they don't opt
for a different method because of the unavailability of firearms?
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:Yes, I'm calling you an idiot and deliberate liar. I insulted you
:first, it really happened this time. Treasure it, I've given you
:the chance to be both insulting and truthful.
:
You always do, Peter. You always do. And, as usual, I'm not
interested in your stupid little games.
If you can't address the issue, why do you even bother?
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"You take the lies out of him, and he'll shrink to the size of
your hat; you take the malice out of him, and he'll disappear."
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| Jack Linthicum... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:33 am |
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On Nov 6, 1:33 am, Eugene Griessel <eug... at (no spam) dynagen.co.za> wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:38:01 -0800 (PST), Jack Linthicum
jacklinthi... at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
On Nov 5, 9:23 am, Eugene Griessel <eug... at (no spam) dynagen.co.za> wrote:
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:13:07 -0600, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPeI... at (no spam) HotMail.com
wrote:
"Andrew Swallow" <am.swal... at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:nZudnZZBastD5G_XnZ2dnUVZ8rNi4p2d at (no spam) bt.com...
Paul J. Adam wrote:
In message <y9KdnbOm6fOyE23XnZ2dnUVZ8h5i4... at (no spam) bt.com>, Andrew Swallow
am.swal... at (no spam) btopenworld.com> writes
No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on suicide
bans weapons.
And this is why we don't arm soldiers, because they'll only kill
themselves with their firearms...?
Possibly why in Britain soldiers have to put away their weapons
when off duty.
LOL
Everything is possible
Now change soldiers to police.
By the way, explain to us why in rhe US, with over 300,000,000 guns in
private hands, there are only about 900 fatal accidents annually, while with
about the same number of cars, there are over 42,000 accidental deaths.
Oh and about 8,000,000,000,000 billion rounds of ammo are fired off with
those guns annually.
Do you have stats for suicides involving guns? I know it's pretty low
around these parts!
Your claim does not hold water
Of course not - it was a wild and stupid claim.
Eugene L Griessel
The probability of someone watching you is proportional to the
stupidity of your action.
- I post only from Sci.Military.Naval -
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated 52,447
deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the
United States during 2000. The majority of gun-related deaths in the
United States are suicides,[5] with firearms used in 16,907 suicides
in the United States during 2004.[6]
Mmmmm. By my calculations you guys are well below the international
average. You will have to work harder! That tally, if you were
keeping pace with the rest of the world, should be around 24000 per
annum! (That is suicides by gunshot.) As for the estimated
deliberate attempts - that's fewer than half of what the rest of the
world is achieving. Obviously the US is not very suicidal!
Eugene L Griessel
Learning to dislike children at an early age saves a lot of expense
and aggravation later in life.
- I post only from Sci.Military.Naval -
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No, if anyone feels suicidal they move to Idaho or Florida. |
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