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| Jack Linthicum... |
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On Nov 5, 9:23 am, Eugene Griessel <eug... at (no spam) dynagen.co.za> wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:13:07 -0600, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPeI... at (no spam) HotMail.com
wrote:
"Andrew Swallow" <am.swal... at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:nZudnZZBastD5G_XnZ2dnUVZ8rNi4p2d at (no spam) bt.com...
Paul J. Adam wrote:
In message <y9KdnbOm6fOyE23XnZ2dnUVZ8h5i4... at (no spam) bt.com>, Andrew Swallow
am.swal... at (no spam) btopenworld.com> writes
No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on suicide
bans weapons.
And this is why we don't arm soldiers, because they'll only kill
themselves with their firearms...?
Possibly why in Britain soldiers have to put away their weapons
when off duty.
LOL
Everything is possible
Now change soldiers to police.
By the way, explain to us why in rhe US, with over 300,000,000 guns in
private hands, there are only about 900 fatal accidents annually, while with
about the same number of cars, there are over 42,000 accidental deaths.
Oh and about 8,000,000,000,000 billion rounds of ammo are fired off with
those guns annually.
Do you have stats for suicides involving guns? I know it's pretty low
around these parts!
Your claim does not hold water
Of course not - it was a wild and stupid claim.
Eugene L Griessel
The probability of someone watching you is proportional to the
stupidity of your action.
- I post only from Sci.Military.Naval -
[/quote]
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimated 52,447
deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the
United States during 2000. The majority of gun-related deaths in the
United States are suicides,[5] with firearms used in 16,907 suicides
in the United States during 2004.[6]
[5]ftp://ftp.cdc.gov/pub/ncipc/10LC-2003/PDF/10lc-violence.pdf
[6] http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm
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| Richard Casady... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:27 am |
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 07:08:20 +0000, Andrew Swallow
<am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote:
[quote]Possibly why in Britain soldiers have to put away their weapons
when off duty.
[/quote]
In the US it is usual for cops to carry a pistol when off duty. It
seems that the enemies they make on duty are still there when the
shift ends. Sometimes they have to shoot someone who richly deserves
it.
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| SaPeIsMa... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:13 am |
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"Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:nZudnZZBastD5G_XnZ2dnUVZ8rNi4p2d at (no spam) bt.com...
[quote]Paul J. Adam wrote:
In message <y9KdnbOm6fOyE23XnZ2dnUVZ8h5i4p2d at (no spam) bt.com>, Andrew Swallow
am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> writes
No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on suicide
bans weapons.
And this is why we don't arm soldiers, because they'll only kill
themselves with their firearms...?
Possibly why in Britain soldiers have to put away their weapons
when off duty.
[/quote]
LOL
Everything is possible
Now change soldiers to police.
By the way, explain to us why in rhe US, with over 300,000,000 guns in
private hands, there are only about 900 fatal accidents annually, while with
about the same number of cars, there are over 42,000 accidental deaths.
Oh and about 8,000,000,000,000 billion rounds of ammo are fired off with
those guns annually.
Your claim does not hold water
I als notice that you shied away from answering my post. |
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| Iain Rae... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:26 am |
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On 05/11/09 08:44, William Black wrote:
[quote]Eugene Griessel wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 07:08:20 +0000, Andrew Swallow
am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote:
Paul J. Adam wrote:
In message <y9KdnbOm6fOyE23XnZ2dnUVZ8h5i4p2d at (no spam) bt.com>, Andrew Swallow
am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> writes
No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on suicide
bans weapons.
And this is why we don't arm soldiers, because they'll only kill
themselves with their firearms...?
Possibly why in Britain soldiers have to put away their weapons
when off duty.
And why do traffic policemen have to put away their motorbikes when
off duty?
My experience of traffic policemen who ride motorcycles for a living is
that when they put away their duty machine they promptly get on a
privately owned machine and keep on riding.
[/quote]
The Constable (Gordon Jackson...honest) who did my Bikesafe course
doesn't own a motorbike...his wife considers them to be too dangerous.
Mind you she might have seen him ride and jumped to conclusions. When we
got onto the open road the first left hand bend we came to I was 6"
inside the white line in the middle of the road, he was about 2ft to my
right, echelon right "so that I could see what speed and revs you were
doing round the bend".
Perfectly safe but it'd look bloody dangerous to a non biker. |
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| Eugene Griessel... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:22 am |
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 04:18:14 -0800 (PST), Jack Linthicum
<jacklinthicum at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 5, 7:13 am, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPeI... at (no spam) HotMail.com> wrote:
"Andrew Swallow" <am.swal... at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:nZudnZZBastD5G_XnZ2dnUVZ8rNi4p2d at (no spam) bt.com...
Paul J. Adam wrote:
In message <y9KdnbOm6fOyE23XnZ2dnUVZ8h5i4... at (no spam) bt.com>, Andrew Swallow
am.swal... at (no spam) btopenworld.com> writes
No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on suicide
bans weapons.
And this is why we don't arm soldiers, because they'll only kill
themselves with their firearms...?
Possibly why in Britain soldiers have to put away their weapons
when off duty.
LOL
Everything is possible
Now change soldiers to police.
By the way, explain to us why in rhe US, with over 300,000,000 guns in
private hands, there are only about 900 fatal accidents annually, while with
about the same number of cars, there are over 42,000 accidental deaths.
Oh and about 8,000,000,000,000 billion rounds of ammo are fired off with
those guns annually.
Your claim does not hold water
I als notice that you shied away from answering my post.
First, few people drink and shoot
[/quote]
But it's more fun that way! (Survivor of a drunken rat-shooting party
with 7.62 rifles and much rum during the middle of the night! the God
who looks after little babies and drunken sailors really worked
overtime that night - especially as the ricochets were something
fierce!)
Eugene L Griessel
Money Isn't Everything, But It Sure Keeps The Kids In Touch
- I post only from Sci.Military.Naval - |
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| Eugene Griessel... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:23 am |
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 06:13:07 -0600, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPeIsMa at (no spam) HotMail.com>
wrote:
[quote]
"Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:nZudnZZBastD5G_XnZ2dnUVZ8rNi4p2d at (no spam) bt.com...
Paul J. Adam wrote:
In message <y9KdnbOm6fOyE23XnZ2dnUVZ8h5i4p2d at (no spam) bt.com>, Andrew Swallow
am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> writes
No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on suicide
bans weapons.
And this is why we don't arm soldiers, because they'll only kill
themselves with their firearms...?
Possibly why in Britain soldiers have to put away their weapons
when off duty.
LOL
Everything is possible
Now change soldiers to police.
By the way, explain to us why in rhe US, with over 300,000,000 guns in
private hands, there are only about 900 fatal accidents annually, while with
about the same number of cars, there are over 42,000 accidental deaths.
Oh and about 8,000,000,000,000 billion rounds of ammo are fired off with
those guns annually.
[/quote]
Do you have stats for suicides involving guns? I know it's pretty low
around these parts!
[quote]Your claim does not hold water
[/quote]
Of course not - it was a wild and stupid claim.
Eugene L Griessel
The probability of someone watching you is proportional to the
stupidity of your action.
- I post only from Sci.Military.Naval - |
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| Fred J. McCall... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:52 am |
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Andrew Swallow <am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote:
:Paul J. Adam wrote:
:> In message <y9KdnbOm6fOyE23XnZ2dnUVZ8h5i4p2d at (no spam) bt.com>, Andrew Swallow
:> <am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> writes
:>> No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on suicide
:>> bans weapons.
:>
:> And this is why we don't arm soldiers, because they'll only kill
:> themselves with their firearms...?
:>
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:Possibly why in Britain soldiers have to put away their weapons
:when off duty.
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So why do they arm them the rest of the time? I mean, they're most
likely to hurt themselves with those weapons...
--
"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
--G. Behn |
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| Fred J. McCall... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 11:36 am |
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Eugene Griessel <eugene at (no spam) dynagen.co.za> wrote:
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 o you have stats for suicides involving guns? I know it's pretty low
:around these parts!
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Suicides make up around 56% of all gun deaths in the United States. In
2006 there were 16,883 firearm suicides. However, since suicides will
typically find some method other than firearms if a firearm is not
available, I consider that number to be pretty meaningless.
--
"Rule Number One for Slayers - Don't die."
-- Buffy, the Vampire Slayer |
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| Jack Linthicum... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:05 pm |
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On Nov 5, 4:20 pm, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPeI... at (no spam) HotMail.com> wrote:
[quote]"Jack Linthicum" <jacklinthi... at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:61bd78b0-34f5-4752-a5c8-a91543e83206 at (no spam) a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 5, 7:13 am, "SaPeIsMa" <SaPeI... at (no spam) HotMail.com> wrote:
"Andrew Swallow" <am.swal... at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:nZudnZZBastD5G_XnZ2dnUVZ8rNi4p2d at (no spam) bt.com...
Paul J. Adam wrote:
In message <y9KdnbOm6fOyE23XnZ2dnUVZ8h5i4... at (no spam) bt.com>, Andrew Swallow
am.swal... at (no spam) btopenworld.com> writes
No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on suicide
bans weapons.
And this is why we don't arm soldiers, because they'll only kill
themselves with their firearms...?
Possibly why in Britain soldiers have to put away their weapons
when off duty.
LOL
Everything is possible
Now change soldiers to police.
By the way, explain to us why in rhe US, with over 300,000,000 guns in
private hands, there are only about 900 fatal accidents annually, while
with
about the same number of cars, there are over 42,000 accidental deaths.
Oh and about 8,000,000,000,000 billion rounds of ammo are fired off with
those guns annually.
Your claim does not hold water
I als notice that you shied away from answering my post.
#
# First, few people drink and shoot
#
And ?
Are you trying to make a point, excuses, what ?
[/quote]
Well, in very simple words, especially pared down to your apparent
ability to understand the written English word, there is a phrase used
in automobile safety slogans "don't drink and drive". |
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| William Black... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 12:46 pm |
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Fred J. McCall wrote:
[quote]Eugene Griessel <eugene at (no spam) dynagen.co.za> wrote:
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o you have stats for suicides involving guns? I know it's pretty low
:around these parts!
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Suicides make up around 56% of all gun deaths in the United States. In
2006 there were 16,883 firearm suicides. However, since suicides will
typically find some method other than firearms if a firearm is not
available, I consider that number to be pretty meaningless.
[/quote]
False premiss.
Guns make suicide easy and quick.
The other domestic alternatives are drinking bleach, which is neither,
and slitting your wrists, which is also neither, and which requires a
great deal of fortitude.
Someone might shoot themselves, but may well decide the other
alternatives are not acceptable in the time necessary to do the deed if
firearms are not available...
--
William Black
"Any number under six"
The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
single handed with a quarterstaff. |
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| Fred J. McCall... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:48 pm |
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William Black <william.black at (no spam) hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
:Fred J. McCall wrote:
:> Eugene Griessel <eugene at (no spam) dynagen.co.za> wrote:
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:> o you have stats for suicides involving guns? I know it's pretty low
:> :around these parts!
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:> Suicides make up around 56% of all gun deaths in the United States. In
:> 2006 there were 16,883 firearm suicides. However, since suicides will
:> typically find some method other than firearms if a firearm is not
:> available, I consider that number to be pretty meaningless.
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:False premiss.
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Poppycock. YOU may believe inanimate objects can engage in mind
control and make you do shit, but sane people don't.
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:Guns make suicide easy and quick.
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:The other domestic alternatives are drinking bleach, which is neither,
: and slitting your wrists, which is also neither, and which requires a
:great deal of fortitude.
:
Jump from a high place. Pills. Carbon Monoxide. Drive off a bridge.
Drive into a wall.
We ought to outlaw those cars and any building over two stories high.
I'd suggest you might want to take a look at suicide rates in
countries which prohibit firearms (like Japan) compared to the US.
Sorry to have messed things up for you by bringing up facts again...
--
"Rule Number One for Slayers - Don't die."
-- Buffy, the Vampire Slayer |
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| Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:51 pm |
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In article
<ksedndJktamBX2_XnZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d at (no spam) posted
..cpinternet>,
"SaPeIsMa" <SaPeIsMa at (no spam) HotMail.com>
wrote:
[quote]"Andrew Swallow" <am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:nZudnZZBastD5G_XnZ2dnUVZ8rNi4p2d at (no spam) bt.com...
Paul J. Adam wrote:
In message <y9KdnbOm6fOyE23XnZ2dnUVZ8h5i4p2d at (no spam) bt.com>, Andrew Swallow
am.swallow at (no spam) btopenworld.com> writes
No. Weapons are most likely to hurt your self. So the ban on suicide
bans weapons.
And this is why we don't arm soldiers, because they'll only kill
themselves with their firearms...?
Possibly why in Britain soldiers have to put away their weapons
when off duty.
LOL
Everything is possible
Now change soldiers to police.
By the way, explain to us why in rhe US, with over 300,000,000 guns in
private hands, there are only about 900 fatal accidents annually, while with
about the same number of cars, there are over 42,000 accidental deaths.
Oh and about 8,000,000,000,000 billion rounds of ammo are fired off with
those guns annually.
Your claim does not hold water
[/quote]
In 2002 2,855,756,000,000 Highway total
vehicle miles were driven
http://www.bts.gov/publications/national_
transportation_statistics/2003/html/table
_01_32.html
I find it safe to assum that a large
percentage was in two way traffic,
whereas the vast majority of the
billions of rounds fired were at target
ranges (or are you including military?)
[quote]
I als notice that you shied away from answering my post.[/quote] |
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| William Black... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:16 pm |
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Fred J. McCall wrote:
[quote]William Black <william.black at (no spam) hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
:Fred J. McCall wrote:
:> Eugene Griessel <eugene at (no spam) dynagen.co.za> wrote:
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:> o you have stats for suicides involving guns? I know it's pretty low
:> :around these parts!
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:> Suicides make up around 56% of all gun deaths in the United States. In
:> 2006 there were 16,883 firearm suicides. However, since suicides will
:> typically find some method other than firearms if a firearm is not
:> available, I consider that number to be pretty meaningless.
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:False premiss.
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Poppycock. YOU may believe inanimate objects can engage in mind
control and make you do shit, but sane people don't.
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:Guns make suicide easy and quick.
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:The other domestic alternatives are drinking bleach, which is neither,
: and slitting your wrists, which is also neither, and which requires a
:great deal of fortitude.
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Jump from a high place. Pills. Carbon Monoxide. Drive off a bridge.
Drive into a wall.
[/quote]
These all take longer than blowing your brains out with a pistol.
--
William Black
"Any number under six"
The answer given by Englishman Richard Peeke when asked by the Duke of
Medina Sidonia how many Spanish sword and buckler men he could beat
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| Eugene Griessel... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:25 pm |
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:46:48 +0000, William Black
<william.black at (no spam) hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
[quote]Fred J. McCall wrote:
Eugene Griessel <eugene at (no spam) dynagen.co.za> wrote:
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o you have stats for suicides involving guns? I know it's pretty low
:around these parts!
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Suicides make up around 56% of all gun deaths in the United States. In
2006 there were 16,883 firearm suicides. However, since suicides will
typically find some method other than firearms if a firearm is not
available, I consider that number to be pretty meaningless.
False premiss.
Guns make suicide easy and quick.
The other domestic alternatives are drinking bleach, which is neither,
and slitting your wrists, which is also neither, and which requires a
great deal of fortitude.
Someone might shoot themselves, but may well decide the other
alternatives are not acceptable in the time necessary to do the deed if
firearms are not available...
[/quote]
Gawd - what an unimaginative lot of suicidees you hang out with!
Eugene L Griessel
Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on
the same night.
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| Fred J. McCall... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:45 pm |
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William Black <william.black at (no spam) hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
:Fred J. McCall wrote:
:> William Black <william.black at (no spam) hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
:>
:> :Fred J. McCall wrote:
:> :> Eugene Griessel <eugene at (no spam) dynagen.co.za> wrote:
:> :>
:> :> :
:> :> o you have stats for suicides involving guns? I know it's pretty low
:> :> :around these parts!
:> :> :
:> :>
:> :> Suicides make up around 56% of all gun deaths in the United States. In
:> :> 2006 there were 16,883 firearm suicides. However, since suicides will
:> :> typically find some method other than firearms if a firearm is not
:> :> available, I consider that number to be pretty meaningless.
:> :>
:> :>
:> :
:> :False premiss.
:> :
:>
:> Poppycock. YOU may believe inanimate objects can engage in mind
:> control and make you do shit, but sane people don't.
:>
:> :
:> :Guns make suicide easy and quick.
:> :
:> :The other domestic alternatives are drinking bleach, which is neither,
:> : and slitting your wrists, which is also neither, and which requires a
:> :great deal of fortitude.
:> :
:>
:> Jump from a high place. Pills. Carbon Monoxide. Drive off a bridge.
:> Drive into a wall.
:
:These all take longer than blowing your brains out with a pistol.
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So what? People who ACTUALLY kill themselves don't do it as a spur of
the moment thing.
The suicide rate in Scotland is much higher (by some 50%) than the
suicide rate in the United States. Explain. |
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