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| DanB... |
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Hay Harry,
My pet peeve for 2009, how the media is dumbing down, (is dumb downed),
about our economic condition. Why don't folks like you ask why our money
is anything but constitutional? Why let the tyrants of banking continue
in their illegal assault on us?
<http://lakeweb.com/money/Total%20U.S.%20Debt%20to%20GDP.gif>
Take a good look at how they did it before and did it again. |
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On Oct 30, 6:51 pm, knews4u2c... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:
[quote]On Oct 29, 2:05 pm, DanB <a... at (no spam) some.net> wrote:
Hay Harry,
My pet peeve for 2009, how the media is dumbing down, (is dumb downed),
about our economic condition. Why don't folks like you ask why our money
is anything but constitutional? Why let the tyrants of banking continue
in their illegal assault on us?
http://lakeweb.com/money/Total%20U.S.%20Debt%20to%20GDP.gif
Take a good look at how they did it before and did it again.
You think something that has been making TRILLIONS for the crooks
since 1914 (Not Federal No Reserve Act) will ever be taken off the
books?
Nothing short of armed revolution will take America back from the
International Banksters who run it.
I've been telling everyone to read "The Coming Battle" for years.http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS345&q=%2...
Will it ever come?
[/quote]
Gee, this great!
Looks like the whole book here.
http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/comingbattle/cbtabcon.htm |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:29 pm |
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On Oct 30, 6:54 pm, knews4u2c... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:
[quote]On Oct 30, 6:51 pm, knews4u2c... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:
On Oct 29, 2:05 pm, DanB <a... at (no spam) some.net> wrote:
Hay Harry,
My pet peeve for 2009, how the media is dumbing down, (is dumb downed),
about our economic condition. Why don't folks like you ask why our money
is anything but constitutional? Why let the tyrants of banking continue
in their illegal assault on us?
http://lakeweb.com/money/Total%20U.S.%20Debt%20to%20GDP.gif
Take a good look at how they did it before and did it again.
You think something that has been making TRILLIONS for the crooks
since 1914 (Not Federal No Reserve Act) will ever be taken off the
books?
Nothing short of armed revolution will take America back from the
International Banksters who run it.
I've been telling everyone to read "The Coming Battle" for years.http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENUS345&q=%2...
Will it ever come?
Gee, this great!
Looks like the whole book here.http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/comingbattle/cbtabcon.htm- Hide quoted text -
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And more about who started and controls the whole scam.
http://rense.com/general88/hist.htm |
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| hhc314... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:11 am |
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On Oct 29, 1:05 pm, DanB <a... at (no spam) some.net> wrote:
[quote]Hay Harry,
My pet peeve for 2009, how the media is dumbing down, (is dumb downed),
about our economic condition. Why don't folks like you ask why our money
is anything but constitutional? Why let the tyrants of banking continue
in their illegal assault on us?
http://lakeweb.com/money/Total%20U.S.%20Debt%20to%20GDP.gif
Take a good look at how they did it before and did it again.
[/quote]
Dan, I agree that the media, with only a few exceptions like Fox News
and Lou Dobbs, plays the stupid act, but when you think about it, it's
really simply highly biased reporting written by the clueles to
entertain the empty headed public.
Recall that the vast majority of media writers have absolutely no
formal education or practial experience in the subject that they write
about, and these people are as ignorant abouts scientific topics as
the are about economics.
The media is very uncomfortable in dealing with hard facts, having no
expertise in the subject they write about. Our "New Readers" on TV
are even less qualified, plus on TV entertainment masqurades as news.
So what do you expect as a result? Do think that Edward R. Murrow
could even get a job on broadacast TV today when his competition for
that same on-air position is a cute, empty-headed blonde?
Face it, between the federal government and the liberal oriented
media, the public is given no clue as to what is actually going on in
our country, and the government is currently playing its own private
little game, behind closed doors.
With United States unemployment at 10% (it's actually much higher than
that, since the government only counts people still collecting
unemployment benefits) our government seems blindly focused on
spending billions (or trillions of dollars) on programs that have
value only to special interests, not the public. The government in the
meantime ignores meaninful job creation, because the requires the
restoration of long lost components of agriculture and industry to
create the jobs.
Mortgage foreclosures are now at a high second only to the Great
Depression, and the government is focusing its attention on more
spending on trillion dollar health care bill.
The price of gold is skyrocketing, simply because the dollar has
become so devaluated over the past 40 years, and now a $32 dollar
ounce of gold sells for circa $1,000. This happens because the
government today can simply print dollars with no gold or silver
assets to back up the dollars. Notice that paper money once was
labeled as gold or silver certificate, but that went away years ago.
Why?
Things began to go sour in the US back around 1950, at at the time the
reason was under constant discussion. The American public was, at that
time, much better informed/educated, and actually gave a damn. Then,
people could actually add up the numbers and not depend on a cash
register to computer to say how much change to give out on a simple
purchase.
Jim, there is a very simple reason why our country is in the desperate
condition it is now: The selling-off of American assets in order to
make short term profits...little assets such as our iron and steel
industries, heavy machinery, intellectual property rights for
television, entertainment devices and computer chips/computers. It
isn't rocket science to figure out that without industry creating
jobs, there will be no jobs except at some fast food joints, and today
even they are hurting!
Enough of the rant... Still think about cause and effect.
You can learn more about what is happening in the United States by
watching the nature of today's TV advertising rather than the news
programs.
Harry C. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 8:12 am |
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On Oct 29, 1:05 pm, DanB <a... at (no spam) some.net> wrote:
[quote]Hay Harry,
My pet peeve for 2009, how the media is dumbing down, (is dumb downed),
about our economic condition. Why don't folks like you ask why our money
is anything but constitutional? Why let the tyrants of banking continue
in their illegal assault on us?
http://lakeweb.com/money/Total%20U.S.%20Debt%20to%20GDP.gif
Take a good look at how they did it before and did it again.
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DanB, sorry that my rant was so off topic for this, a presumably
scientific newsgroup.
Harry |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:37 pm |
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hhc314 wrote:
[quote]On Oct 29, 1:05 pm, DanB <a... at (no spam) some.net> wrote:
Hay Harry,
My pet peeve for 2009, how the media is dumbing down, (is dumb downed),
about our economic condition. Why don't folks like you ask why our money
is anything but constitutional? Why let the tyrants of banking continue
in their illegal assault on us?
http://lakeweb.com/money/Total%20U.S.%20Debt%20to%20GDP.gif
Take a good look at how they did it before and did it again.
Dan, I agree that the media, with only a few exceptions like Fox News
and Lou Dobbs, plays the stupid act, but when you think about it, it's
really simply highly biased reporting written by the clueles to
entertain the empty headed public.
[/quote]
NPR too. PBS Frontline brushes up against it, but you have to know what
to listen for.
[quote]Face it, between the federal government and the liberal oriented
media, the public is given no clue as to what is actually going on in
our country, and the government is currently playing its own private
little game, behind closed doors.
[/quote]
Wrong horse Harry. It is the banking system, it is not partisan.
[quote]With United States unemployment at 10% (it's actually much higher than
that, since the government only counts people still collecting
unemployment benefits) our government seems blindly focused on
spending billions (or trillions of dollars) on programs that have
value only to special interests, not the public. The government in the
meantime ignores meaninful job creation, because the requires the
restoration of long lost components of agriculture and industry to
create the jobs.
[/quote]
Again, you are whipping the wrong horse. It was the multinationals that
move industry to Asia. The government is just their whore.
[quote]Mortgage foreclosures are now at a high second only to the Great
Depression, and the government is focusing its attention on more
spending on trillion dollar health care bill.
[/quote]
Gads....
[quote]The price of gold is skyrocketing, simply because the dollar has
become so devaluated over the past 40 years, and now a $32 dollar
ounce of gold sells for circa $1,000. This happens because the
government today can simply print dollars with no gold or silver
assets to back up the dollars. Notice that paper money once was
labeled as gold or silver certificate, but that went away years ago.
Why?
[/quote]
Because that is how the banking system wanted it.
[quote]Things began to go sour in the US back around 1950...
[/quote]
The first time it went sour for use was with Hamilton. Before the ink
was dry on the constitution he set out to create the First Bank of the
U.S. The history of banking is well worth reading.
The constitution says very clearly what money is. Yet here we are in
lala land.
[quote]Jim, there is a very simple reason why our country is in the desperate
condition it is now: The selling-off of American assets in order to
make short term profits...little assets such as our iron and steel
industries, heavy machinery, intellectual property rights for
television, entertainment devices and computer chips/computers. It
isn't rocket science to figure out that without industry creating
jobs, there will be no jobs except at some fast food joints, and today
even they are hurting!
Enough of the rant... Still think about cause and effect.
You can learn more about what is happening in the United States by
watching the nature of today's TV advertising rather than the news
programs.
[/quote]
Actually, it takes some serious reading to understand.
BTW, money is not 'printed'. It is lent into existence through the
banking system.
<http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/Current/accessible/l1.htm>
<http://lakeweb.com/money/MMM.pdf>
Best, Dan. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:40 pm |
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On Nov 4, 10:37 am, DanB <a... at (no spam) some.net> wrote:
[quote]hhc314 wrote:
On Oct 29, 1:05 pm, DanB <a... at (no spam) some.net> wrote:
Hay Harry,
My pet peeve for 2009, how the media is dumbing down, (is dumb downed),
about our economic condition. Why don't folks like you ask why our money
is anything but constitutional? Why let the tyrants of banking continue
in their illegal assault on us?
http://lakeweb.com/money/Total%20U.S.%20Debt%20to%20GDP.gif
Take a good look at how they did it before and did it again.
Dan, I agree that the media, with only a few exceptions like Fox News
and Lou Dobbs, plays the stupid act, but when you think about it, it's
really simply highly biased reporting written by the clueles to
entertain the empty headed public.
NPR too. NPR is the worst and most liberally biased of all the media.
Face it, between the federal government and the liberal oriented
media, the public is given no clue as to what is actually going on in
our country, and the government is currently playing its own private
little game, behind closed doors.
Wrong horse Harry. It is the banking system, it is not partisan.
[/quote]
Dan, why do you think that the US government bailed out the large
banks, rather than giving the same money to small business to create
jobs? Check out the background of the major players that the Obama
adminstration hired to run the treasury department. These are the same
gentlement that caused the banking disaster, so we now have them
runing the US Treasury. Does that make sense to you.
[quote]
With United States unemployment at 10% (it's actually much higher than
that, since the government only counts people still collecting
unemployment benefits) our government seems blindly focused on
spending billions (or trillions of dollars) on programs that have
value only to special interests, not the public. The government in the
meantime ignores meaninful job creation, because the requires the
restoration of long lost components of agriculture and industry to
create the jobs.
Again, you are whipping the wrong horse. It was the multinationals that
move industry to Asia. The government is just their whore.
[/quote]
Actually no, the is the owners of the major firms that allow their
manufacturing plants and intelluctual property rights that are the
problem, plus the US government for allowing them to do so.
[quote]Mortgage foreclosures are now at a high second only to the Great
Depression, and the government is focusing its attention on more
spending on trillion dollar health care bill.
Gads....
The price of gold is skyrocketing, simply because the dollar has
become so devaluated over the past 40 years, and now a $32 dollar
ounce of gold sells for circa $1,000. This happens because the
government today can simply print dollars with no gold or silver
assets to back up the dollars. Notice that paper money once was
labeled as gold or silver certificate, but that went away years ago.
Why?
Because that is how the banking system wanted it.
[/quote]
Dan, it makes little sense to me that the banking system would do
anything that would devalue the dollar, since the loss in the dollar's
value comes directly out of their bottom line profits. (Then too, this
maybe why some of the largest banks in the US are bankrupt or nearly
so.)
Not true Dan, while the banking system may have wanted it, it was the
goverment (acting under the influence of the special interests that
allowed it to happen through purchased federal legislation. Corruption
in goverment must take ALL the blame.
[quote]Things began to go sour in the US back around 1950...
The first time it went sour for use was with Hamilton. Before the ink
was dry on the constitution he set out to create the First Bank of the
U.S. The history of banking is well worth reading.
The constitution says very clearly what money is. Yet here we are in
lala land.
[/quote]
Money is simpy a representation of an asset held by the government,
historically gold or silver. hence the gold vaults at Fort Knox and
the silver vault at West Point. The arguments that led the US to
depart from the gold and silver standards were the biggest scams ever
perpetrated on the American public.
[quote]Jim, there is a very simple reason why our country is in the desperate
condition it is now: The selling-off of American assets in order to
make short term profits...little assets such as our iron and steel
industries, heavy machinery, intellectual property rights for
television, entertainment devices and computer chips/computers. It
isn't rocket science to figure out that without industry creating
jobs, there will be no jobs except at some fast food joints, and today
even they are hurting!
Enough of the rant... Still think about cause and effect.
You can learn more about what is happening in the United States by
watching the nature of today's TV advertising rather than the news
programs.
Actually, it takes some serious reading to understand.
[/quote]
It takes only two terms of economics at any major university to
understand, or a year of two operating a business.
[quote]BTW, money is not 'printed'. It is lent into existence through the
banking system.
[/quote]
Money is printed by the US goverment on the believe that banks loans
from China and other places will back it up. In the event of a war
with any of the lender nations, the value of an American dollar will
become equal to that of a Confederate dollar.
Read Bache's textbok "Introduction to Economics" or even Adam Smith's
"Wealth of Nations".
Harry C.
p.s., The American people are just now starting to recognize that "The
king has no clothes", and that most of their elected representatives
in Washington are nothing but corrupt and clueless. The pendulum is
starting to swing back. |
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| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:42 pm |
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hhc314 wrote:
[quote]On Oct 29, 1:05 pm, DanB <a... at (no spam) some.net> wrote:
Hay Harry,
My pet peeve for 2009, how the media is dumbing down, (is dumb downed),
about our economic condition. Why don't folks like you ask why our money
is anything but constitutional? Why let the tyrants of banking continue
in their illegal assault on us?
http://lakeweb.com/money/Total%20U.S.%20Debt%20to%20GDP.gif
Take a good look at how they did it before and did it again.
DanB, sorry that my rant was so off topic for this, a presumably
scientific newsgroup.
[/quote]
You are kidding, right? This is usenet. The only time I see wholesale
participation here is if chewy brings up 9/11.
Or if someone starts talking about the 'hydrogen economy' you get an all
out, self righteous, head bashing feast.
Why would an earnest discussion about the banking system be so wrong in
that light? There is nothing very intelligent going on here otherwise...
Best, Dan. |
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On Nov 4, 3:40 pm, hhc314 <hhc... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]On Nov 4, 10:37 am, DanB <a... at (no spam) some.net> wrote:
hhc314 wrote:
On Oct 29, 1:05 pm, DanB <a... at (no spam) some.net> wrote:
Hay Harry,
My pet peeve for 2009, how the media is dumbing down, (is dumb downed),
about our economic condition. Why don't folks like you ask why our money
is anything but constitutional? Why let the tyrants of banking continue
in their illegal assault on us?
http://lakeweb.com/money/Total%20U.S.%20Debt%20to%20GDP.gif
Take a good look at how they did it before and did it again.
Dan, I agree that the media, with only a few exceptions like Fox News
and Lou Dobbs, plays the stupid act, but when you think about it, it's
really simply highly biased reporting written by the clueles to
entertain the empty headed public.
NPR too. NPR is the worst and most liberally biased of all the media..
Face it, between the federal government and the liberal oriented
media, the public is given no clue as to what is actually going on in
our country, and the government is currently playing its own private
little game, behind closed doors.
Wrong horse Harry. It is the banking system, it is not partisan.
Dan, why do you think that the US government bailed out the large
banks, rather than giving the same money to small business to create
jobs? Check out the background of the major players that the Obama
adminstration hired to run the treasury department. These are the same
gentlement that caused the banking disaster, so we now have them
runing the US Treasury. Does that make sense to you.
With United States unemployment at 10% (it's actually much higher than
that, since the government only counts people still collecting
unemployment benefits) our government seems blindly focused on
spending billions (or trillions of dollars) on programs that have
value only to special interests, not the public. The government in the
meantime ignores meaninful job creation, because the requires the
restoration of long lost components of agriculture and industry to
create the jobs.
Again, you are whipping the wrong horse. It was the multinationals that
move industry to Asia. The government is just their whore.
Actually no, the is the owners of the major firms that allow their
manufacturing plants and intelluctual property rights that are the
problem, plus the US government for allowing them to do so.
Mortgage foreclosures are now at a high second only to the Great
Depression, and the government is focusing its attention on more
spending on trillion dollar health care bill.
Gads....
The price of gold is skyrocketing, simply because the dollar has
become so devaluated over the past 40 years, and now a $32 dollar
ounce of gold sells for circa $1,000. This happens because the
government today can simply print dollars with no gold or silver
assets to back up the dollars. Notice that paper money once was
labeled as gold or silver certificate, but that went away years ago.
Why?
Because that is how the banking system wanted it.
Dan, it makes little sense to me that the banking system would do
anything that would devalue the dollar, since the loss in the dollar's
value comes directly out of their bottom line profits. (Then too, this
maybe why some of the largest banks in the US are bankrupt or nearly
so.)
Not true Dan, while the banking system may have wanted it, it was the
goverment (acting under the influence of the special interests that
allowed it to happen through purchased federal legislation. Corruption
in goverment must take ALL the blame.
Things began to go sour in the US back around 1950...
The first time it went sour for use was with Hamilton. Before the ink
was dry on the constitution he set out to create the First Bank of the
U.S. The history of banking is well worth reading.
The constitution says very clearly what money is. Yet here we are in
lala land.
Money is simpy a representation of an asset held by the government,
historically gold or silver. hence the gold vaults at Fort Knox and
the silver vault at West Point. The arguments that led the US to
depart from the gold and silver standards were the biggest scams ever
perpetrated on the American public.
Jim, there is a very simple reason why our country is in the desperate
condition it is now: The selling-off of American assets in order to
make short term profits...little assets such as our iron and steel
industries, heavy machinery, intellectual property rights for
television, entertainment devices and computer chips/computers. It
isn't rocket science to figure out that without industry creating
jobs, there will be no jobs except at some fast food joints, and today
even they are hurting!
Enough of the rant... Still think about cause and effect.
You can learn more about what is happening in the United States by
watching the nature of today's TV advertising rather than the news
programs.
Actually, it takes some serious reading to understand.
It takes only two terms of economics at any major university to
understand, or a year of two operating a business.
BTW, money is not 'printed'. It is lent into existence through the
banking system.
Money is printed by the US goverment on the believe that banks loans
from China and other places will back it up. In the event of a war
with any of the lender nations, the value of an American dollar will
become equal to that of a Confederate dollar.
Read Bache's textbok "Introduction to Economics" or even Adam Smith's
"Wealth of Nations".
Harry C.
p.s., The American people are just now starting to recognize that "The
king has no clothes", and that most of their elected representatives
in Washington are nothing but corrupt and clueless. The pendulum is
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The fox is guarding the henhuose.
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hhc314 wrote:
[quote]On Nov 4, 10:37 am, DanB <a... at (no spam) some.net> wrote:
hhc314 wrote:
On Oct 29, 1:05 pm, DanB <a... at (no spam) some.net> wrote:
Hay Harry,
My pet peeve for 2009, how the media is dumbing down, (is dumb downed),
about our economic condition. Why don't folks like you ask why our money
is anything but constitutional? Why let the tyrants of banking continue
in their illegal assault on us?
http://lakeweb.com/money/Total%20U.S.%20Debt%20to%20GDP.gif
Take a good look at how they did it before and did it again.
Dan, I agree that the media, with only a few exceptions like Fox News
and Lou Dobbs, plays the stupid act, but when you think about it, it's
really simply highly biased reporting written by the clueles to
entertain the empty headed public.
NPR too. NPR is the worst and most liberally biased of all the media.
Face it, between the federal government and the liberal oriented
media, the public is given no clue as to what is actually going on in
our country, and the government is currently playing its own private
little game, behind closed doors.
Wrong horse Harry. It is the banking system, it is not partisan.
Dan, why do you think that the US government bailed out the large
banks, rather than giving the same money to small business to create
jobs? Check out the background of the major players that the Obama
adminstration hired to run the treasury department. These are the same
gentlement that caused the banking disaster, so we now have them
runing the US Treasury. Does that make sense to you.
[/quote]
Harry,
Are you so hell bent on being partisan that you missed the 'beginning'?
The bail out started with Henry Paulson ex CEO of Goldman Sachs. Goldman
Sachs, the whore of J. P. Morgan. Obama, Bush, take it back 200 years, a
big pile of patsies of the banking system. Andrew Jackson was one of the
few that had the balls to stand up to the banking system. But that
pissed Biddle off and he threw the country into economic chaos by
squeezing the money supply. Biddle went on with his life while everyone
else paid the price. The same thing is going on now.
If you are not getting this, it is that man is incapable of controlling
the money supply. That is why nature is written as the controller in the
constitution.
[quote]With United States unemployment at 10% (it's actually much higher than
that, since the government only counts people still collecting
unemployment benefits) our government seems blindly focused on
spending billions (or trillions of dollars) on programs that have
value only to special interests, not the public. The government in the
meantime ignores meaninful job creation, because the requires the
restoration of long lost components of agriculture and industry to
create the jobs.
Again, you are whipping the wrong horse. It was the multinationals that
move industry to Asia. The government is just their whore.
Actually no, the is the owners of the major firms that allow their
manufacturing plants and intelluctual property rights that are the
problem, plus the US government for allowing them to do so.
[/quote]
I don't get it. First you whine about liberals and now you want
government to control where industry does business? At that, it should
be obvious that 'Government' can't control it.
This is about creating 'money' in the west to exploit the cheap labor of
Asia.
[quote]Mortgage foreclosures are now at a high second only to the Great
Depression, and the government is focusing its attention on more
spending on trillion dollar health care bill.
Gads....
The price of gold is skyrocketing, simply because the dollar has
become so devaluated over the past 40 years, and now a $32 dollar
ounce of gold sells for circa $1,000. This happens because the
government today can simply print dollars with no gold or silver
assets to back up the dollars. Notice that paper money once was
labeled as gold or silver certificate, but that went away years ago.
Why?
Because that is how the banking system wanted it.
Dan, it makes little sense to me that the banking system would do
anything that would devalue the dollar, since the loss in the dollar's
value comes directly out of their bottom line profits.
[/quote]
Where did you get this? Banking has always been about creating money out
of thin air and charging for the use of this money. They don't care
about the nature of value, they get paid for doing nothing.
[quote](Then too, this
maybe why some of the largest banks in the US are bankrupt or nearly
so.)
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No Harry, the likes of J.P. Morgan are quite solvent and very profitable
today. It is the smaller 'outsiders' that are being put out of business.
And we are the suckers that put up the money that disappears through
black holes like AIG.
[quote]
Not true Dan, while the banking system may have wanted it, it was the
goverment (acting under the influence of the special interests that
allowed it to happen through purchased federal legislation. Corruption
in goverment must take ALL the blame.
[/quote]
Are you really that naive? It is 'we the people'. If 'government' sits
separately from us it is 'our' fault. So, are you looking to be an
apologist for the banking system and that is why you wave your hands and
call 'the government' the 'real' boogie man?
[quote]
Things began to go sour in the US back around 1950...
The first time it went sour for use was with Hamilton. Before the ink
was dry on the constitution he set out to create the First Bank of the
U.S. The history of banking is well worth reading.
The constitution says very clearly what money is. Yet here we are in
lala land.
Money is simpy a representation of an asset held by the government,
historically gold or silver.
[/quote]
No, there is nothing in the constitution about the 'government' holding
money. It says very simply that money is gold and silver, nothing more.
[quote]hence the gold vaults at Fort Knox and
the silver vault at West Point. The arguments that led the US to
depart from the gold and silver standards were the biggest scams ever
perpetrated on the American public.
[/quote]
And if you missed it, by the banking system.
[quote]Jim, there is a very simple reason why our country is in the desperate
condition it is now: The selling-off of American assets in order to
make short term profits...little assets such as our iron and steel
industries, heavy machinery, intellectual property rights for
television, entertainment devices and computer chips/computers. It
isn't rocket science to figure out that without industry creating
jobs, there will be no jobs except at some fast food joints, and today
even they are hurting!
Enough of the rant... Still think about cause and effect.
You can learn more about what is happening in the United States by
watching the nature of today's TV advertising rather than the news
programs.
Actually, it takes some serious reading to understand.
It takes only two terms of economics at any major university to
understand, or a year of two operating a business.
[/quote]
No. Classes in economics do 'not' cover the nature money, the source and
definition of money. Just theories about the flow of money. With the
false premise that the quantity of money should be controlled by the
level of debt in the banking system, a privileged class of people.
[quote]BTW, money is not 'printed'. It is lent into existence through the
banking system.
Money is printed by the US goverment on the believe that banks loans
from China and other places will back it up.
[/quote]
No, M0 is a very small fraction of supply. The bulk of 'our' money is
M2. Dept created money that exists on the ledgers of the banking system
computers. Money that would not exist unless it was borrowed. China is a
sidebar with little meaning. Do you look at the links I offer?
<http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/z1/Current/accessible/l1.htm>
Now, put China in that picture:
<http://www.treas.gov/tic/mfh.txt>
Compare the grand total to total credit market debt. Are you getting this?
[quote]In the event of a war
with any of the lender nations, the value of an American dollar will
become equal to that of a Confederate dollar.
[/quote]
Where do you get this stuff? Like China is going to send a bill
collector and we don't pay? So what? Then the 'reserves' of China become
worthless. China is a piss ant little empire with a war machine that is
totally incapable of waging World War. Wealth inequality must be
enforced and we are still king of that hill. Make you feel kinda warm
inside, doesn't it? :)
(For the brain dead, the last sentence was tongue in cheek.)
[quote]
Read Bache's textbok "Introduction to Economics" or even Adam Smith's
"Wealth of Nations".
[/quote]
Wealth of Nations was written in a time when labor had value. It has
nothing to do with our present condition.
[quote]p.s., The American people are just now starting to recognize that "The
king has no clothes", and that most of their elected representatives
in Washington are nothing but corrupt and clueless. The pendulum is
starting to swing back.
[/quote]
Again, where do you get this stuff? There is an orgy going on in the
banking system and I don't see pitch forks and fire in the streets.
There are folks reading what I am writing and are dying to scream
'crank'. Once I posted this:
<http://lakeweb.com/money/MMM.pdf>
And a guy screamed about it being some obscure rant from the web. Take a
look at who the publisher is.
No, it is my observation that most people prefer to stick their heads in
the sand and 'hope' while the bankers that put us here are taking 7,8,9
figures home.
Now, clear as I can say it. The banking system creates money from thin
air when someone takes on a debt. The banking system then charges
interest for the money they created from thin air. Read the paper if you
don't believe it. The banking system is a fine tuned parasite in our system.
The Federal Reserve Act was the last nail in our coffin. Do your eyes
glaze over when you see this?
<http://lakeweb.com/money/Total%20U.S.%20Debt%20to%20GDP.gif>
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On Nov 4, 7:10 pm, knews4u2c... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:
[quote]On Nov 4, 3:40 pm, hhc314 <hhc... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Nov 4, 10:37 am, DanB <a... at (no spam) some.net> wrote:
hhc314 wrote:
On Oct 29, 1:05 pm, DanB <a... at (no spam) some.net> wrote:
Hay Harry,
My pet peeve for 2009, how the media is dumbing down, (is dumb downed),
about our economic condition. Why don't folks like you ask why our money
is anything but constitutional? Why let the tyrants of banking continue
in their illegal assault on us?
http://lakeweb.com/money/Total%20U.S.%20Debt%20to%20GDP.gif
Take a good look at how they did it before and did it again.
Dan, I agree that the media, with only a few exceptions like Fox News
and Lou Dobbs, plays the stupid act, but when you think about it, it's
really simply highly biased reporting written by the clueles to
entertain the empty headed public.
NPR too. NPR is the worst and most liberally biased of all the media.
Face it, between the federal government and the liberal oriented
media, the public is given no clue as to what is actually going on in
our country, and the government is currently playing its own private
little game, behind closed doors.
Wrong horse Harry. It is the banking system, it is not partisan.
Dan, why do you think that the US government bailed out the large
banks, rather than giving the same money to small business to create
jobs? Check out the background of the major players that the Obama
adminstration hired to run the treasury department. These are the same
gentlement that caused the banking disaster, so we now have them
runing the US Treasury. Does that make sense to you.
With United States unemployment at 10% (it's actually much higher than
that, since the government only counts people still collecting
unemployment benefits) our government seems blindly focused on
spending billions (or trillions of dollars) on programs that have
value only to special interests, not the public. The government in the
meantime ignores meaninful job creation, because the requires the
restoration of long lost components of agriculture and industry to
create the jobs.
Again, you are whipping the wrong horse. It was the multinationals that
move industry to Asia. The government is just their whore.
Actually no, the is the owners of the major firms that allow their
manufacturing plants and intelluctual property rights that are the
problem, plus the US government for allowing them to do so.
Mortgage foreclosures are now at a high second only to the Great
Depression, and the government is focusing its attention on more
spending on trillion dollar health care bill.
Gads....
The price of gold is skyrocketing, simply because the dollar has
become so devaluated over the past 40 years, and now a $32 dollar
ounce of gold sells for circa $1,000. This happens because the
government today can simply print dollars with no gold or silver
assets to back up the dollars. Notice that paper money once was
labeled as gold or silver certificate, but that went away years ago..
Why?
Because that is how the banking system wanted it.
Dan, it makes little sense to me that the banking system would do
anything that would devalue the dollar, since the loss in the dollar's
value comes directly out of their bottom line profits. (Then too, this
maybe why some of the largest banks in the US are bankrupt or nearly
so.)
Not true Dan, while the banking system may have wanted it, it was the
goverment (acting under the influence of the special interests that
allowed it to happen through purchased federal legislation. Corruption
in goverment must take ALL the blame.
Things began to go sour in the US back around 1950...
The first time it went sour for use was with Hamilton. Before the ink
was dry on the constitution he set out to create the First Bank of the
U.S. The history of banking is well worth reading.
The constitution says very clearly what money is. Yet here we are in
lala land.
Money is simpy a representation of an asset held by the government,
historically gold or silver. hence the gold vaults at Fort Knox and
the silver vault at West Point. The arguments that led the US to
depart from the gold and silver standards were the biggest scams ever
perpetrated on the American public.
Jim, there is a very simple reason why our country is in the desperate
condition it is now: The selling-off of American assets in order to
make short term profits...little assets such as our iron and steel
industries, heavy machinery, intellectual property rights for
television, entertainment devices and computer chips/computers. It
isn't rocket science to figure out that without industry creating
jobs, there will be no jobs except at some fast food joints, and today
even they are hurting!
Enough of the rant... Still think about cause and effect.
You can learn more about what is happening in the United States by
watching the nature of today's TV advertising rather than the news
programs.
Actually, it takes some serious reading to understand.
It takes only two terms of economics at any major university to
understand, or a year of two operating a business.
BTW, money is not 'printed'. It is lent into existence through the
banking system.
Money is printed by the US goverment on the believe that banks loans
from China and other places will back it up. In the event of a war
with any of the lender nations, the value of an American dollar will
become equal to that of a Confederate dollar.
Read Bache's textbok "Introduction to Economics" or even Adam Smith's
"Wealth of Nations".
Harry C.
p.s., The American people are just now starting to recognize that "The
king has no clothes", and that most of their elected representatives
in Washington are nothing but corrupt and clueless. The pendulum is
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The fox is guarding the henhouse.
http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=461- Hide quoted text -
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And what is going on now by the controllers.
http://www.paltelegraph.com/diaries/featured-articles/2799-who-controls-congress--who-controls-the-us-president-who-controls-the-un-no-prizes-for-guessing |
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On Nov 4, 10:42 am, DanB <a... at (no spam) some.net> wrote:
[quote]hhc314 wrote:
On Oct 29, 1:05 pm, DanB <a... at (no spam) some.net> wrote:
Hay Harry,
My pet peeve for 2009, how the media is dumbing down, (is dumb downed),
about our economic condition. Why don't folks like you ask why our money
is anything but constitutional? Why let the tyrants of banking continue
in their illegal assault on us?
http://lakeweb.com/money/Total%20U.S.%20Debt%20to%20GDP.gif
Take a good look at how they did it before and did it again.
DanB, sorry that my rant was so off topic for this, a presumably
scientific newsgroup.
You are kidding, right? This is usenet. The only time I see wholesale
participation here is if chewy brings up 9/11.
Or if someone starts talking about the 'hydrogen economy' you get an all
out, self righteous, head bashing feast.
Why would an earnest discussion about the banking system be so wrong in
that light? There is nothing very intelligent going on here otherwise...
Best, Dan.
[/quote]
And the saga continues....
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On Nov 4, 10:42 am, DanB <a... at (no spam) some.net> wrote:
[quote]hhc314 wrote:
On Oct 29, 1:05 pm, DanB <a... at (no spam) some.net> wrote:
Hay Harry,
My pet peeve for 2009, how the media is dumbing down, (is dumb downed),
about our economic condition. Why don't folks like you ask why our money
is anything but constitutional? Why let the tyrants of banking continue
in their illegal assault on us?
http://lakeweb.com/money/Total%20U.S.%20Debt%20to%20GDP.gif
Take a good look at how they did it before and did it again.
DanB, sorry that my rant was so off topic for this, a presumably
scientific newsgroup.
You are kidding, right? This is usenet. The only time I see wholesale
participation here is if chewy brings up 9/11.
Or if someone starts talking about the 'hydrogen economy' you get an all
out, self righteous, head bashing feast.
Why would an earnest discussion about the banking system be so wrong in
that light? There is nothing very intelligent going on here otherwise...
Best, Dan.
[/quote]
Oh you're really gonna love this...
http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1258049769.php
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