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| RST Engineering - JIm... |
 Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:05 pm |
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"Ian Bell" <ruffrecords at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Is it me or was it only 'in the old days' that people went into
electronics (.i.e. got educated in it at college level) because they were
already hooked on it and had built a bunch of stuff? A friend and I were
selling crystal radios at primary school before we were eleven years old.
By the time I was 18 and went to university I had read every electronics
book in the city library, passed the Radio Amateurs Exam, and built dozens
of bits of kit. Don't kids do that any more?
Cheers
Ian
[/quote]
Dunno. I can only tell you that I offer my students a two letter grade
bonus if they achieve a General ham license during the semester and in
thirty years, not one taker.
(or if already a General, Extra.)
Jim |
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| Ken S. Tucker... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:19 pm |
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On Oct 31, 12:05 pm, "RST Engineering - JIm" <jwei... at (no spam) gmail.com>
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[quote]"Ian Bell" <ruffreco... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hcd9hm$qbk$1 at (no spam) localhost.localdomain...
Is it me or was it only 'in the old days' that people went into
electronics (.i.e. got educated in it at college level) because they were
already hooked on it and had built a bunch of stuff? A friend and I were
selling crystal radios at primary school before we were eleven years old.
By the time I was 18 and went to university I had read every electronics
book in the city library, passed the Radio Amateurs Exam, and built dozens
of bits of kit. Don't kids do that any more?
Cheers
Ian
Dunno. I can only tell you that I offer my students a two letter grade
bonus if they achieve a General ham license during the semester and in
thirty years, not one taker.
(or if already a General, Extra.)
Jim
[/quote]
The 10,000 hours = 5 years x 50 weeks x 40 hours/week and
then write your own ticket, if your nose is clean, is rule of thumb.
I suppose it's a case of surviving, but I've been fired a few times,
but don't take getting fired personal, it's a forced upward mobility.
Ken |
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| John Larkin... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:23 pm |
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:38:25 -0500, krw <krw at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
[quote]On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:56:00 -0700 (PDT), Tim Williams
tmoranwms at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 29, 6:47 pm, Ian Bell <ruffreco... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Is it me or was it only 'in the old days' that people went into
electronics (.i.e. got educated in it at college level) because they
were already hooked on it and had built a bunch of stuff? A friend and I
were selling crystal radios at primary school before we were eleven
years old. By the time I was 18 and went to university I had read every
electronics book in the city library, passed the Radio Amateurs Exam,
and built dozens of bits of kit. Don't kids do that any more?
Nope, they really don't.
I got to chat with the school's EE chair once. He said, about 30
years ago, people like me (kids who stuck screwdrivers into radios)
were common (he was one himself), so there was a lot of curriculum
they could test out of, or heck maybe even in those days it was just
"you know ohm's law? sure, you can skip this prerequisite".
No money in the degree if they allow you to test out of courses.
[/quote]
So skip the basics and take advanced courses.
[quote]
But nowadays, that's a lot less common (probably less than 10%), and
the certifications are more stringent, and the bureaucracy more
impersonal, so I'm doomed to sit in classes alongside students who
don't know the right end of the soldering iron.
In fairness, most will never need to touch a soldering iron. I've
worked with many who haven't into any sort of lab since college. There
is a lot more to EE, these days, than PCBs.
[/quote]
This is excellent. Lots of ancient instrumentation is failing or out
of production, and there are few people who can design next-gen gear.
Most of the kiddies are useless around real electricity [1], and the
big aerospace and scientific instrument companies are less and less
eager to do stuff in-house.
[quote]
Not that the classes are very useful anyway. I'm in a control systems
class right now. I still don't know what the hell 1/(s+2) is. I know
full well what 1 / (s + 1/RC) is, but see, that's not what they
teach. It's just more numbers, run the algebra and find the answer.
[/quote]
Some academics want to abstract the math away from real circuits.
That's why it's so good to come into these classes with some real
circuit experience and instincts. Then lightbulbs turn on for you
while the rest of the class doesn't notice.
But most circuit designers can learn all they need about control
theory in one day.
[quote]
That is an issue. Laplace should be taught after there is a sound
circuits understanding. They never taught Gregg before English.
[/quote]
Spice has eliminated the need for most analytic solutions to control
loops. Most good loops are nonlinear anyhow, so were never solvable
analytically. The best combo is good instincts and LT Spice.
John
[1] most of the young EEs I meet are *afraid* of electricity. |
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| Archimedes' Lever... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 1:26 pm |
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:01:36 -0700, "RST Engineering - JIm"
<jweir43 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]
"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon at (no spam) My-Web-Site.com> wrote in
message news:8boje5hkbqm3fg6nc6p5sc81o20o5sfl6j at (no spam) 4ax.com...
Happened to me. In the early '70's there was a shortage of
technicians. I offered to teach FOR FREE at the local community
college. I was declined because _I_only_had_a_Masters_ :-)
...Jim Thompson
Dunno what you did wrong, Jimbo. I've been teaching Electronics Technology
at the local community college since the early 1980s on a BS-Physics.
Jim
It was probably his attitude.[/quote]
That "everyone but me is a leftist weenie" mentality is pretty
blatantly apparent. Probably more so in person.
I would not want to be taught by such a twit either.
They probably called some of his former employers and got a handle of
his "people skills"... or lack thereof. |
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| krw... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:20 pm |
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:00:23 -0700, 100WattDarkSucker
<100WattDarkSucker at (no spam) thebigbarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
[quote]On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:52:12 -0500, krw <krw at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:43:41 -0700, 100WattDarkSucker
100WattDarkSucker at (no spam) thebigbarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:38:25 -0500, krw <krw at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
"I'm always right, no matter how the facts turn out."
Sounds like the KRW mind set to me.
Even if true, it beats *being* AlwaysWrong, hands down.
I guess you'll have to perform a complete reversal of your past twenty
years then.
[/quote]
You don't read very well, do you AlwaysWrong? |
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| krw... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:21 pm |
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:06:16 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon at (no spam) My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
[quote]On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:52:12 -0500, krw <krw at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:43:41 -0700, 100WattDarkSucker
100WattDarkSucker at (no spam) thebigbarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:38:25 -0500, krw <krw at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
"I'm always right, no matter how the facts turn out."
Sounds like the KRW mind set to me.
Even if true, it beats *being* AlwaysWrong, hands down.
Some day we will seek out Nymbecile, show him multiple sheets of paper
listing his ignorant statements, then drag him behind a pick-up truck.
In the meantime, krw, I must add you to my file of...
(From: troll-feeder) & ((troll-in-reference)|(troll-in-body))
pairs... sorry 
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No problem. Glad I can be of service. |
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| krw... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:27 pm |
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:23:05 -0800, John Larkin
<jjSNIPlarkin at (no spam) highTHISlandtechnology.com> wrote:
[quote]On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:38:25 -0500, krw <krw at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:56:00 -0700 (PDT), Tim Williams
tmoranwms at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 29, 6:47 pm, Ian Bell <ruffreco... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Is it me or was it only 'in the old days' that people went into
electronics (.i.e. got educated in it at college level) because they
were already hooked on it and had built a bunch of stuff? A friend and I
were selling crystal radios at primary school before we were eleven
years old. By the time I was 18 and went to university I had read every
electronics book in the city library, passed the Radio Amateurs Exam,
and built dozens of bits of kit. Don't kids do that any more?
Nope, they really don't.
I got to chat with the school's EE chair once. He said, about 30
years ago, people like me (kids who stuck screwdrivers into radios)
were common (he was one himself), so there was a lot of curriculum
they could test out of, or heck maybe even in those days it was just
"you know ohm's law? sure, you can skip this prerequisite".
No money in the degree if they allow you to test out of courses.
So skip the basics and take advanced courses.
[/quote]
Advanced courses? What advanced courses?
[quote]But nowadays, that's a lot less common (probably less than 10%), and
the certifications are more stringent, and the bureaucracy more
impersonal, so I'm doomed to sit in classes alongside students who
don't know the right end of the soldering iron.
In fairness, most will never need to touch a soldering iron. I've
worked with many who haven't into any sort of lab since college. There
is a lot more to EE, these days, than PCBs.
This is excellent. Lots of ancient instrumentation is failing or out
of production, and there are few people who can design next-gen gear.
Most of the kiddies are useless around real electricity [1], and the
big aerospace and scientific instrument companies are less and less
eager to do stuff in-house.
[/quote]
I'm not disagreeing, just stating the way it is. Being able to do
this work has worked out well for me.
[quote]Not that the classes are very useful anyway. I'm in a control systems
class right now. I still don't know what the hell 1/(s+2) is. I know
full well what 1 / (s + 1/RC) is, but see, that's not what they
teach. It's just more numbers, run the algebra and find the answer.
Some academics want to abstract the math away from real circuits.
That's why it's so good to come into these classes with some real
circuit experience and instincts. Then lightbulbs turn on for you
while the rest of the class doesn't notice.
But most circuit designers can learn all they need about control
theory in one day.
That is an issue. Laplace should be taught after there is a sound
circuits understanding. They never taught Gregg before English.
Spice has eliminated the need for most analytic solutions to control
loops. Most good loops are nonlinear anyhow, so were never solvable
analytically. The best combo is good instincts and LT Spice.
[/quote]
Spice isn't good for building instincts, however. It too easily
becomes a crutch and makes people believe that they're really
standing.
[quote]John
[1] most of the young EEs I meet are *afraid* of electricity.
[/quote]
Haven't seen that so much, but I have been tutoring one student who
has a real problem with algebra. |
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| 100WattDarkSucker... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:48 pm |
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:20:47 -0500, krw <krw at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
[quote]On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:00:23 -0700, 100WattDarkSucker
100WattDarkSucker at (no spam) thebigbarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:52:12 -0500, krw <krw at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:43:41 -0700, 100WattDarkSucker
100WattDarkSucker at (no spam) thebigbarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:38:25 -0500, krw <krw at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
"I'm always right, no matter how the facts turn out."
Sounds like the KRW mind set to me.
Even if true, it beats *being* AlwaysWrong, hands down.
I guess you'll have to perform a complete reversal of your past twenty
years then.
You don't read very well, do you AlwaysWrong?
[/quote]
Take your lobotomized brain elsewhere, chump. |
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| Archimedes' Lever... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 6:49 pm |
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:27:34 -0500, krw <krw at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
[quote]Advanced courses? What advanced courses?
[/quote]
Nothing a lobotomized retard like you could handle. |
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| krw... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:02 pm |
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:48:43 -0700, 100WattDarkSucker
<100WattDarkSucker at (no spam) thebigbarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
[quote]On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:20:47 -0500, krw <krw at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:00:23 -0700, 100WattDarkSucker
100WattDarkSucker at (no spam) thebigbarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:52:12 -0500, krw <krw at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:43:41 -0700, 100WattDarkSucker
100WattDarkSucker at (no spam) thebigbarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:38:25 -0500, krw <krw at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
"I'm always right, no matter how the facts turn out."
Sounds like the KRW mind set to me.
Even if true, it beats *being* AlwaysWrong, hands down.
I guess you'll have to perform a complete reversal of your past twenty
years then.
You don't read very well, do you AlwaysWrong?
Take your lobotomized brain elsewhere, chump.
[/quote]
Sorry DimBulb, I'm here just for you. |
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| krw... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:02 pm |
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:49:25 -0700, Archimedes' Lever
<OneBigLever at (no spam) InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote:
[quote]On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:27:34 -0500, krw <krw at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
Advanced courses? What advanced courses?
Nothing a lobotomized retard like you could handle.
[/quote]
Nothing you've ever taken, clearly. |
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| Archimedes' Lever... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:39 pm |
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:02:55 -0500, krw <krw at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
[quote]On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:49:25 -0700, Archimedes' Lever
OneBigLever at (no spam) InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:27:34 -0500, krw <krw at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
Advanced courses? What advanced courses?
Nothing a lobotomized retard like you could handle.
Nothing you've ever taken, clearly.
[/quote]
Currently working in the Ku band, as well as many others. You?
Clearly, you have spent years making shit up. |
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| krw... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:09 pm |
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:39:05 -0700, Archimedes' Lever
<OneBigLever at (no spam) InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote:
[quote]On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 20:02:55 -0500, krw <krw at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:49:25 -0700, Archimedes' Lever
OneBigLever at (no spam) InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:27:34 -0500, krw <krw at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
Advanced courses? What advanced courses?
Nothing a lobotomized retard like you could handle.
Nothing you've ever taken, clearly.
Currently working in the Ku band, as well as many others. You?
[/quote]
You're currently working in the water closet with a mop, Dimmie.
[quote]Clearly, you have spent years making shit up.
[/quote]
Making things, yes, while you're mopping shit up. |
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| Michael A. Terrell... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:15 pm |
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krw wrote:
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:48:43 -0700, 100WattDarkSucker
100WattDarkSucker at (no spam) thebigbarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:20:47 -0500, krw <krw at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:00:23 -0700, 100WattDarkSucker
100WattDarkSucker at (no spam) thebigbarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:52:12 -0500, krw <krw at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:43:41 -0700, 100WattDarkSucker
100WattDarkSucker at (no spam) thebigbarattheendoftheuniverse.org> wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:38:25 -0500, krw <krw at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
"I'm always right, no matter how the facts turn out."
Sounds like the KRW mind set to me.
Even if true, it beats *being* AlwaysWrong, hands down.
I guess you'll have to perform a complete reversal of your past twenty
years then.
You don't read very well, do you AlwaysWrong?
Take your lobotomized brain elsewhere, chump.
Sorry DimBulb, I'm here just for you.
[/quote]
OOOOHHH!!! Dimmie has learned a new word!
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The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary! |
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| Archimedes' Lever... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:48 pm |
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 22:09:57 -0500, krw <krw at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
[quote]while you're mopping shit up.
[/quote]
As it relates to this forum, you are absolutely correct.
None of it is mine, however. I guess that you are immune to the stench. |
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