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| GregS... |
 Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:40 pm |
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In article <blpge5td2aqqrsijj6ndpetcgjo6ghs9f4 at (no spam) 4ax.com>, Rich Webb <bbew.ar at (no spam) mapson.nozirev.ten> wrote:
[quote]On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:04:01 -0400, greenpjs at (no spam) neo.rr.com wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:45:00 +0000, Ron <ron at (no spam) lunevalleyaudio.com
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Meat Plow wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:28:02 -0000, "Scrim"
nospam at (no spam) nospam.nospam>wrote:
This groups is so badly spammed I'm starting to give up on it. Why does
sci.electronics repair get so much and can this be fixed?
Scrim
I guess Virgin doesn't filter it out for you so you'll have to do it
yourself.
Just get a decent newsreader, I use Thunderbird. Set filters to junk all
messages from the following
at (no spam) yeah.net
at (no spam) live.cn - in fact any .cn
at (no spam) 126.com
at (no spam) 163.com
and all at (no spam) .gmail
(You might miss a few genuine posts by blocking gmail, but it`a small
price to pay. Anyone serious tends to not use gmail/hotmail/yahoo etc.)
You can check the filter logs from time to time and any posters you
inadvertently filtered out, you can add back in individually.
When ever you get spam, add the address to the list.
Ron
I use Agent, but I don't filter anything. All the groups I subscribe
to get occassional spam, but this group gets 10 times more. Why would
it be different than the rest?
Spammers can check GoogleGroups for groups with high activity in
particular areas. Go to groups.google.com and start with "explore
groups." Google does a nice job of sorting groups by activity (days
since last post), messages per month, and number of users as well as
sorting by topic, language, etc. So, I'd guess that there may be some
set of characteristics of s.e.r that attract them.
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I highly disagree
I have found high spam in little used groups.
Spammers also try to stay away from groups whose users give out
a lot of trash and spam back to the originators. They don't like
spam either.
I'm not talking about Google.
To tell the truth, I think 4th parties do the spamming and the company,
usually ONE company, the one in China, has little knowledge of anything.
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| GregS... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 1:42 pm |
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In article <p1tge55knc66maevt7kkvoip4q43u8ko01 at (no spam) 4ax.com>, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl at (no spam) cruzio.com> wrote:
[quote]On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:48:30 -0400, Rich Webb
bbew.ar at (no spam) mapson.nozirev.ten> wrote:
Spammers can check GoogleGroups for groups with high activity in
particular areas. Go to groups.google.com and start with "explore
groups." Google does a nice job of sorting groups by activity (days
since last post), messages per month, and number of users as well as
sorting by topic, language, etc. So, I'd guess that there may be some
set of characteristics of s.e.r that attract them.
Yep. They also check to see how many people actually click on the
inevitable URL included in the spam message. It's a tiny percentage
of the users, but that's where they allegedly make their money. The
more clicks, the more spam. (Feed the pigeons and what do you get?
More pigeons).
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I have clicked on it many times, and I go directly
to the CONTACT point and send my regards.
If everybody who complains did this, there would be no spam from those
guys. Its mostly one company in China.
greg
[quote]Looks like VirginMedia outsources their usenet news to Giganews. I'm
also using Giganews. After some minor keyword filtering, I get about
10 spam messages in this newsgroup per day. No big deal. In Agent, I
just hit the <del> key and they're gone. If they're repetitive, I
just add it to the built in spam filter.
However, if you REALLY want to get rid of the spam, just hire a hitman
and make a few spammers really disappear. If they're that bad a
problem, it should be worth the money. Take up a collection. Then
start at the top of this list:
http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/index.lasso
Note that the majority are in the USA. Start at the top and work your
way down. Eliminate a few of the top spammers and I'm sure the others
will get the clue.
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| Michael A. Terrell... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:12 pm |
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Jeff Liebermann wrote:
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On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:59:38 +0000, Ron <ron at (no spam) lunevalleyaudio.com
wrote:
I'm not sure, but I don't think we are allowed to do that sort of thing
over here.
There's probably a law making just about everything illegal. I can't
make it through a day without breaking at least one or two laws (other
than traffic violations).
http://www.whatsonxiamen.com/news7022.html
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/3552/need-a-hitman-illegal-aliens-available-for-hire-thank-ices-myers-torres-for-murder-of-detroit-couple/
(plenty more). If spam is causing such a problem for ISP's,
individuals, companies, governments, etc, it should be fairly easy to
take up a collection and do what's necessary to "set and example". I'm
sure the judge will understand after his mailbox is filled with spam.
I'm not suggesting any new laws or massive enforcement efforts. Just a
high profile extermination of some of the major perpetrators. The
others will surely get the clue and find something else to trash.
[/quote]
Someone killed Russia's top spammer a few years ago:
<http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=russian+spammer+killed&aq=1&oq=russian+spamm&aqi=g3>
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| David Nebenzahl... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:12 pm |
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On 10/28/2009 11:42 AM GregS spake thus:
[quote]In article <p1tge55knc66maevt7kkvoip4q43u8ko01 at (no spam) 4ax.com>, Jeff
Liebermann <jeffl at (no spam) cruzio.com> wrote:
On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:48:30 -0400, Rich Webb
bbew.ar at (no spam) mapson.nozirev.ten> wrote:
Spammers can check GoogleGroups for groups with high activity in
particular areas. Go to groups.google.com and start with "explore
groups." Google does a nice job of sorting groups by activity
(days since last post), messages per month, and number of users
as well as sorting by topic, language, etc. So, I'd guess that
there may be some set of characteristics of s.e.r that attract
them.
Yep. They also check to see how many people actually click on the
inevitable URL included in the spam message. It's a tiny percentage
of the users, but that's where they allegedly make their money.
The more clicks, the more spam. (Feed the pigeons and what do you
get? More pigeons).
I have clicked on it many times, and I go directly
to the CONTACT point and send my regards.
If everybody who complains did this, there would be no spam from those
guys. Its mostly one company in China.
[/quote]
Wrong.
Complaining like that will have *zero* effect. Spammers just don't give
a shit how many people like you they offend. All they care about is
reaching enough suckers to sell whatever it is they're selling.
It's also a worldwide phenomonon. China has no monopoly on spam.
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Who needs a junta or a dictatorship when you have a Congress
blowing Wall Street, using the media as a condom?
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| JeffM... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:28 pm |
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[quote]Jeff Liebermann wrote:
[Spammers] also check to see how many people actually
click on the inevitable URL included in the spam message.
GregS wrote:
I have clicked on it many times, and I go directly
to the CONTACT point and send my regards.
**Read** what JeffL said.[/quote]
You validate their existence with every click.
DO NOT **EVER** CLICK SPAM LINKS.
The idiots who click the links from Google Groups
are the **REAL** problem. As JeffL said,
they look at the referring URL and spam those URLs MORE.
[quote]If everybody who complains did this,
there would be no spam from those guys.
That's the most foolish thing I've heard in a long time.[/quote]
If you want to complain to someone,
complain to their PROVIDERS
(for Google Groupers, that's their ISPs).
[quote]Its mostly one company in China.
It's unlikely that it's one monolythic manufacturing company.[/quote]
....and how hard do you think it is
to find someone in China with a lot of time on his hands
and set him up with an Internet connection?
It's not even coming from one access provider.
The truth is that NO ONE in Red China gives a shit.
The country is populated with criminals.
Don't waste your time on those. JUST IGNORE THEM.[1]
You sometimes see results with reports to
Indian, Pakistani, and Indonesian ISPs.
Taiwanese ISPs also seem to be responsive.
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....and your blockquoting 2-deep and in-full seems extreme.
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[1] Now, if you have a BOTNET at your disposal,
*THAT* would make your effort worthwhile.
As it is, however,
your puny effort just comfirms that their methods are working. |
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| Jeff Liebermann... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:54 pm |
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| Michael A. Terrell... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:31 pm |
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| Geoffrey S. Mendelson... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:39 pm |
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Jeff Liebermann wrote:
[quote]hate to tell you this, but English is a minority language. At current
grown rates, the official language of the planet could eventually
become Chinese:
[/quote]
There has always been a language of trade and diplomacy, recently up to
WWII, it was French. After WWII it became the US dialect of English.
That has grown into what is becoming a dialect of English used on the Internet,
which will be the common languge for probably 20 or 30 years or more.
I'm not talking about "leet" (WTF, OMG, etc), but something like "I can haz
cheezburger?"
Geoff.
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| Jeff Liebermann... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:43 am |
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On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:31:49 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
[quote]What bugs me is all the Asian and other spam I receive in languages I
can't read. Do these morons think people are going to learn another
language, just to read their crap?
[/quote]
Well, there are about 845 million Mandarin Chinese speaking people on
the planet, compared to about 341 million English speaking people.
Hindi and Urdu total about 427 million. Arabic has 422 million. I
hate to tell you this, but English is a minority language. At current
grown rates, the official language of the planet could eventually
become Chinese:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers>
Why wait? Learn Chinese today.
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Jeff Liebermann jeffl at (no spam) cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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| GregS... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:34 am |
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In article <e0f3ea0d-49fa-48fd-9dbb-ec187d845ffc at (no spam) l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, JeffM <jeffm_ at (no spam) email.com> wrote:
[quote]Jeff Liebermann wrote:
[Spammers] also check to see how many people actually
click on the inevitable URL included in the spam message.
GregS wrote:
I have clicked on it many times, and I go directly
to the CONTACT point and send my regards.
**Read** what JeffL said.
You validate their existence with every click.
DO NOT **EVER** CLICK SPAM LINKS.
[/quote]
There is NO click in my Usenet reader.
All you do is identify your IP.
[quote]The idiots who click the links from Google Groups
are the **REAL** problem. As JeffL said,
they look at the referring URL and spam those URLs MORE.
If everybody who complains did this,
there would be no spam from those guys.
That's the most foolish thing I've heard in a long time.
If you want to complain to someone,
complain to their PROVIDERS
(for Google Groupers, that's their ISPs).
Its mostly one company in China.
It's unlikely that it's one monolythic manufacturing company.
....and how hard do you think it is
to find someone in China with a lot of time on his hands
and set him up with an Internet connection?
[/quote]
If you would go to their websites, you will find exactly the same format and contact info.
ANd you GET replies, wasting THEIR time.
[quote]It's not even coming from one access provider.
The truth is that NO ONE in Red China gives a shit.
The country is populated with criminals.
Don't waste your time on those. JUST IGNORE THEM.[1]
You sometimes see results with reports to
Indian, Pakistani, and Indonesian ISPs.
Taiwanese ISPs also seem to be responsive.
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....and your blockquoting 2-deep and in-full seems extreme.
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[1] Now, if you have a BOTNET at your disposal,
*THAT* would make your effort worthwhile.
As it is, however,
your puny effort just comfirms that their methods are working.
[/quote]
Never complain, and go on with your life as it is.
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| GregS... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:37 am |
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In article <hcc5i8$cbu$1 at (no spam) usenet01.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, zekfrivo at (no spam) zekfrivolous.com (GregS) wrote:
[quote]In article <e0f3ea0d-49fa-48fd-9dbb-ec187d845ffc at (no spam) l2g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
JeffM <jeffm_ at (no spam) email.com> wrote:
Jeff Liebermann wrote:
[Spammers] also check to see how many people actually
click on the inevitable URL included in the spam message.
GregS wrote:
I have clicked on it many times, and I go directly
to the CONTACT point and send my regards.
**Read** what JeffL said.
You validate their existence with every click.
DO NOT **EVER** CLICK SPAM LINKS.
[/quote]
I have found most of the websites are in Ca. based, and while I have tried
contacting people there, its difficult using Whois.
Most try to hide emails.
[quote]There is NO click in my Usenet reader.
All you do is identify your IP.
The idiots who click the links from Google Groups
are the **REAL** problem. As JeffL said,
they look at the referring URL and spam those URLs MORE.
If everybody who complains did this,
there would be no spam from those guys.
That's the most foolish thing I've heard in a long time.
If you want to complain to someone,
complain to their PROVIDERS
(for Google Groupers, that's their ISPs).
Its mostly one company in China.
It's unlikely that it's one monolythic manufacturing company.
....and how hard do you think it is
to find someone in China with a lot of time on his hands
and set him up with an Internet connection?
If you would go to their websites, you will find exactly the same format and
contact info.
ANd you GET replies, wasting THEIR time.
It's not even coming from one access provider.
The truth is that NO ONE in Red China gives a shit.
The country is populated with criminals.
Don't waste your time on those. JUST IGNORE THEM.[1]
You sometimes see results with reports to
Indian, Pakistani, and Indonesian ISPs.
Taiwanese ISPs also seem to be responsive.
..
....and your blockquoting 2-deep and in-full seems extreme.
..
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[1] Now, if you have a BOTNET at your disposal,
*THAT* would make your effort worthwhile.
As it is, however,
your puny effort just comfirms that their methods are working.
Never complain, and go on with your life as it is.
greg[/quote] |
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| Michael A. Terrell... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 3:27 pm |
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Jeff Liebermann wrote:
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On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:31:49 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
What bugs me is all the Asian and other spam I receive in languages I
can't read. Do these morons think people are going to learn another
language, just to read their crap?
Well, there are about 845 million Mandarin Chinese speaking people on
the planet, compared to about 341 million English speaking people.
Hindi and Urdu total about 427 million. Arabic has 422 million. I
hate to tell you this, but English is a minority language. At current
grown rates, the official language of the planet could eventually
become Chinese:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers
Why wait? Learn Chinese today.
[/quote]
Why bother. I'm old enough it doesn't matter. Today's batch was
mostly from Russia, in Cyrillic.
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| Jeff Liebermann... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 6:53 pm |
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On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:39:04 +0000 (UTC), "Geoffrey S. Mendelson"
<gsm at (no spam) mendelson.com> wrote:
[quote]There has always been a language of trade and diplomacy, recently up to
WWII, it was French. After WWII it became the US dialect of English.
[/quote]
One of my friends is a doctor originally from Pakistan. He learned
English so that he could emigrate to California. He recently remarked
that he would have done better to learn Spanish.
[quote]That has grown into what is becoming a dialect of English used on the Internet,
which will be the common languge for probably 20 or 30 years or more.
I'm not talking about "leet" (WTF, OMG, etc), but something like "I can haz
cheezburger?"
[/quote]
Nope. The language of the future will be SMS-talk and other languages
that consist mostly of abbreviations, acronyms, and pictograms.
Tomorrows principle languages will be what the kids of today are
using:
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_language>
<http://www.nationaltextingregistry.us/acronym_listing/>
Hopefully, I won't be around to see it happen.
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Jeff Liebermann jeffl at (no spam) cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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| Robert Macy... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:50 am |
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On Oct 30, 12:23 pm, propman <prop... at (no spam) nowhere.ca> wrote:
...snip...
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One other thing I might suggest is to switch your newsgroup account to
the following free access newsgroup server:
http://www.eternal-september.org/
I've been using them for a couple of years no and have no complaint with
their service. Their spam filtering works as I hardly see any spam and
the ones that do slip through is certainly not in magnitude that others
here have remarked they are seeing in this newsgroup.
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I signed up. But, where do you find the newsgroups? |
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| Scrim... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:38 am |
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Wow! That's the longest thread I've ever started! Cheers!
I'm using Windows Mail to read Newsgroups. I think if I use its filter it
will filter my mail as well as newsgroups and I don't want to risk missing
any mail (I get so little spam mail I don't need it there).
So I'm guessing what I really need to do is use a dedicated newsreader
(terminology?) like that one from Mozilla. Then I can set up filtering just
in there and presumably it'll be a better newsgroup experience all round
compared to Windows Mail?
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