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| The Translucent Amoebae... |
 Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:30 am |
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Does anyone know ( figured out ) from common knowledge
That is; This is a well considered topic...???
How Old, Old could be...
When specifically referring to The Oldest Possible Planet with Carbon
Based Life on it?
Given that ( if correct ) The earliest suns had to collapse numerous
times to create the heavy metals,
Then blow up, and their expanding bubbles of this material would have
to overlap numerous times
to collect in regions of space where there was sufficient hydrogen to
start a new, long lived solar system...
And so on.
Given that life may be much more unlikely to have come about,
And completely ignoring the evolution of intelligence or
civilizations,
But just allowing for the most primitive prenucleated self replicating
cells...
How long after the big bang ( if accurate ) could such buggles have
come into existence?
Thanx! |
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| G=EMC^2 Glazier... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:22 am |
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Thanx Planets all the same age. Comets that come out of the Oort cloud
are older. Medium Milky Way stars like our sun about the same age. Red
stars could be older. White dwarf stars can last a trillion years for
they do not get their energy from fusion. Helium and hydrogen are the
oldest elements. hydrogen can last a trillion years. Iron far more
complex atom does not decay. Compounds like water molecules break down
very easy and fast,and a good reason the moon is so very dry. When the
earth finally powders away it will leave lots of powdered iron in
space,and that can be recycled Bert |
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| The Translucent Amoebae... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:27 am |
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On Oct 29, 5:22 am, herbertglaz... at (no spam) webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
[quote]Thanx Planets all the same age. Comets that come out of the Oort cloud
are older. Medium Milky Way stars like our sun about the same age. Red
stars could be older. White dwarf stars can last a trillion years for
they do not get their energy from fusion. Helium and hydrogen are the
oldest elements. hydrogen can last a trillion years. Iron far more
complex atom does not decay. Compounds like water molecules break down
very easy and fast,and a good reason the moon is so very dry. When the
earth finally powders away it will leave lots of powdered iron in
space,and that can be recycled Bert
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i'm not talking about just this solar system or even the entire
milkyway candy bar,
i'm thinking along the lines of the entire universe ( this one ).
The one that's allegedly 14.7 billion light years ( radius or
diameter? )
Given the earliest forming galaxies, and the earliest forming stars...
How soon after the big balooey could self replicating carbon based
molecules have formed into prenucleated Cells? |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:05 pm |
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You ( T. Amoebae ) have confused the age of the KNOWN Universe
( which is thought to be 13.7 giga·years old )
with it's radius ( 45 giga·light·years out, from earth ).
Do you know why there's such a big difference ( 45 vs. 13.7 ) ?
Quoting “The Cosmic Symphony” by Wayne Hu and Martin White,
Scientific American, February 2004:
“ Researchers can determine the distance CMB photons have traveled
before reaching Earth -- about 45 billion light-years.
( Although the photons have traveled for only about 14 billion years,
the expansion of the universe has elongated their route. ) ”.
www.Google.COM/groups?selm=Jeff_Relf_2006_Dec_17_7_%40Cotse.NET
news:Jeff_Relf_2006_Dec_17_7_ at (no spam) Cotse.NET
http://Background.UChicago.EDU/~whu/Papers/HuWhi04.pdf |
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| Double-A... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:53 pm |
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On Nov 2, 6:32pm, herbertglaz... at (no spam) webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
[quote]No sign off So I will go with the name Omoe universe is 22 billion
years young First 8 billion years after the big bang was all micro
realm. It was a time neutrons came to be and decayed into hydrogen. Then
on to helium etc. When human kind can create hydrogen atoms in a lab.
it would help answer questions that physicist stay away from because
they have know idea how the structures of atoms really came to be. They
can't even find the source of gravity. TOE is 22 billion years away
Bert
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I think hydrogen can be be created in the laboratory. Then powerful
photons collide, they are observed to produce protons and anti-
protons, or electrons and positrons. The protons and electrons then
can combine to form hydrogen atoms. Perhaps the anti-protons and
positrons combine to form neutrons. That would explain where the
antimatter goes. Neutrons and anti-neutrons are thought to be somehow
different, but maybe that's just a theoretical technicality.
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| G=EMC^2 Glazier... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:32 pm |
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No sign off So I will go with the name Omoe universe is 22 billion
years young First 8 billion years after the big bang was all micro
realm. It was a time neutrons came to be and decayed into hydrogen. Then
on to helium etc. When human kind can create hydrogen atoms in a lab.
it would help answer questions that physicist stay away from because
they have know idea how the structures of atoms really came to be. They
can't even find the source of gravity. TOE is 22 billion years away
Bert |
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| G=EMC^2 Glazier... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:55 am |
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Double A never heard of photons hitting each other?? What is the
definition of a "powerful photon" I know when electron collides with
positron photons are given off. That experiment gave me my electron
cloud structure of photons spinning at c in this EM cloud. Electron can
be destroyed,but their photon building blocks of photons can not be
destroyed they are pure energy. Photons can only be transformed to
higher or lower energy. Reality is their energy is based on their speed
of wave vibration.(frequency) Longer waves vibrate slower,and we can
call them red. Short waves having high energy we say are in the gamma.
I knew that many moons ago when I screwed a red bulb in for my dark room
light. Bert |
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| Double-A... |
| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:48 am |
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On Nov 3, 4:55am, herbertglaz... at (no spam) webtv.net (G=EMC^2 Glazier) wrote:
[quote]Double A never heard of photons hitting each other?? What is the
definition of a "powerful photon" I know when electron collides with
positron photons are given off. That experiment gave me my electron
cloud structure of photons spinning at c in this EM cloud. Electron can
be destroyed,but their photon building blocks of photons can not be
destroyed they are pure energy. Photons can only be transformed to
higher or lower energy. Reality is their energy is based on their speed
of wave vibration.(frequency) Longer waves vibrate slower,and we can
call them red. Short waves having high energy we say are in the gamma.
I knew that many moons ago when I screwed a red bulb in for my dark room
light. Bert
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You never heard of photons colliding? There actually are many photon
photon colliders now where they have studied this. A "powerful
photon" is a gamma photon.
"In a new experiment at the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center,
heretofore untested aspects of high field strength Quantum
Electrodynamics were probed."
"Several physical process were investigated. This thesis describes the
production of electron-positron pairs in photon-photon collisions.
This is particularly interesting since it represents the generation of
massive particles from massless particles. The bunch/pulse
trajectories are approximately antiparallel."
http://www.osti.gov/energycitations/product.biblio.jsp?osti_id=826613
This is just the reverse of the electron-positron annihilation
process. As Feynman pointed out, on the micro level, time has no set
direction.
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