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| AZDuffman... |
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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28788.html
Liberman has some common sense and realizes bankrupting the country
because some people don't like companies "making profit" is a bad
idea.
Lets see how many dems defect after the democrat losses in VA and NJ
next week. |
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| AZDuffman... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:03 am |
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On Oct 27, 3:51 pm, hal wrote:
[quote]On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:43:22 -0700 (PDT), AZDuffman
srduffy1... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28788.html
Liberman has some common sense and realizes bankrupting the country
because some people don't like companies "making profit" is a bad
idea.
Lieberman is a lying, cocksucking Jew who only cares about using the
stupid Goyim to fund his beloved Israel.
Lets see how many dems defect after the democrat losses in VA and NJ
next week.- Hide quoted text -
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How colorful. You must be a liberal what with making racist remarks
like that. Keep it up and youcan appear as big of a racist as Obama
is. |
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| AZDuffman... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:54 am |
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On Oct 27, 4:35 pm, Michael Coburn <mik... at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:
[quote]On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:43:22 -0700, AZDuffman wrote:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28788.html
Liberman has some common sense and realizes bankrupting the country
because some people don't like companies "making profit" is a bad idea.
Lets see how many dems defect after the democrat losses in VA and NJ
next week.
Joe LIEberman is a lying pig supported by the Insurance lobby. In reading
his pig dung assessment and lies concerning his rationale for being
against a Public Option, it is made clear once again that supposedly
competing private insurance companies CANNOT contain runaway medical
costs. LIEberman's reference to the "cost shifting" is an admission of
this fact. As Medicare controls waste and over-billing the providers
SHIFT the cost to the insurance companies who just pay it and shift it to
the employers who pay it and shift it to the employees. The private
insurance companies have never controlled costs and never will.
LIEberman is well aware that a public option would dramatically expand
the nonopsony power of government to control the increasing costs and
FORCE the insurance companies into line in that the shifting of costs
would become too extreme for the private companies to just "pass along".
They too would have to limit their payments to providers.
This is the INTENT of the Public Option and it is the way in which the
Public Option will control the mushrooming costs.
[/quote]
Here is your problem. The government CANNOT control costs. Sure, it
can say "this is all we will pay" but then supply will dry up. Health
Care Costs will only be controlled when we have a free market of high-
deductible hospitalization-only plans coupled with Health Savings
Accounts so people actually shop for the majority of services which
are non-emergency. Then, just like LASIK prices have fallen, the rest
of health care costs will as well.
All the complaining about "insurance company profits" is nonsense.
The argument is being won! NO PUBLIC OPTION! And NO OBAMACARE for
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| tg... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:11 am |
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On Oct 27, 4:35 pm, Michael Coburn <mik... at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:
[quote]On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:43:22 -0700, AZDuffman wrote:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28788.html
Liberman has some common sense and realizes bankrupting the country
because some people don't like companies "making profit" is a bad idea.
Lets see how many dems defect after the democrat losses in VA and NJ
next week.
Joe LIEberman is a lying pig supported by the Insurance lobby. In reading
his pig dung assessment and lies concerning his rationale for being
against a Public Option, it is made clear once again that supposedly
competing private insurance companies CANNOT contain runaway medical
costs. LIEberman's reference to the "cost shifting" is an admission of
this fact. As Medicare controls waste and over-billing the providers
SHIFT the cost to the insurance companies who just pay it and shift it to
the employers who pay it and shift it to the employees. The private
insurance companies have never controlled costs and never will.
[/quote]
Of course not; since they can pass the cost to the customer, it is in
their interest to have price increases. I'm sure they would like
health care to make up 80% of an individual's expenditures, allowing
the rest for just enough food and shelter so they can keep working.
-tg
[quote]LIEberman is well aware that a public option would dramatically expand
the nonopsony power of government to control the increasing costs and
FORCE the insurance companies into line in that the shifting of costs
would become too extreme for the private companies to just "pass along".
They too would have to limit their payments to providers.
This is the INTENT of the Public Option and it is the way in which the
Public Option will control the mushrooming costs.
--
"Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson[/quote] |
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| Jerry Okamura... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:21 pm |
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"hal" wrote in message news:4ae74efd.75228609 at (no spam) news.newsguy.com...
[quote]On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:43:22 -0700 (PDT), AZDuffman
srduffy1126 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28788.html
Liberman has some common sense and realizes bankrupting the country
because some people don't like companies "making profit" is a bad
idea.
Lieberman is a lying, cocksucking Jew who only cares about using the
stupid Goyim to fund his beloved Israel.
Can a "lying, cocksucking Jew" be right on this issue?[/quote] |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:51 pm |
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On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:43:22 -0700 (PDT), AZDuffman
<srduffy1126 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28788.html
Liberman has some common sense and realizes bankrupting the country
because some people don't like companies "making profit" is a bad
idea.
[/quote]
Lieberman is a lying, cocksucking Jew who only cares about using the
stupid Goyim to fund his beloved Israel.
[quote]
Lets see how many dems defect after the democrat losses in VA and NJ
next week.[/quote] |
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| Bret Cahill... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:13 pm |
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[quote]http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28788.html
Liberman has some common sense and realizes bankrupting the country
because some people don't like companies "making profit" is a bad
idea.
[/quote]
Lieberman wants to address the GOP tax cut recession/depression/
meltdown.
[quote]Lets see how many dems defect after the democrat losses in VA and NJ
next week.
[/quote]
Va hasn't been the vanguard of anything since the Lost Cause.
Bret Cahill |
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| Michael Coburn... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:35 pm |
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On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:43:22 -0700, AZDuffman wrote:
[quote]http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28788.html
Liberman has some common sense and realizes bankrupting the country
because some people don't like companies "making profit" is a bad idea.
Lets see how many dems defect after the democrat losses in VA and NJ
next week.
[/quote]
Joe LIEberman is a lying pig supported by the Insurance lobby. In reading
his pig dung assessment and lies concerning his rationale for being
against a Public Option, it is made clear once again that supposedly
competing private insurance companies CANNOT contain runaway medical
costs. LIEberman's reference to the "cost shifting" is an admission of
this fact. As Medicare controls waste and over-billing the providers
SHIFT the cost to the insurance companies who just pay it and shift it to
the employers who pay it and shift it to the employees. The private
insurance companies have never controlled costs and never will.
LIEberman is well aware that a public option would dramatically expand
the nonopsony power of government to control the increasing costs and
FORCE the insurance companies into line in that the shifting of costs
would become too extreme for the private companies to just "pass along".
They too would have to limit their payments to providers.
This is the INTENT of the Public Option and it is the way in which the
Public Option will control the mushrooming costs.
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"Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson |
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| Michael Coburn... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:07 pm |
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On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:54:58 -0700, AZDuffman wrote:
[quote]On Oct 27, 4:35Â pm, Michael Coburn <mik... at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:43:22 -0700, AZDuffman wrote:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28788.html
Liberman has some common sense and realizes bankrupting the country
because some people don't like companies "making profit" is a bad
idea.
Lets see how many dems defect after the democrat losses in VA and NJ
next week.
Joe LIEberman is a lying pig supported by the Insurance lobby. In
reading his pig dung assessment and lies concerning his rationale for
being against a Public Option, it is made clear once again that
supposedly competing private insurance companies CANNOT contain runaway
medical costs. Â LIEberman's reference to the "cost shifting" is an
admission of this fact. Â As Medicare controls waste and over-billing
the providers SHIFT the cost to the insurance companies who just pay it
and shift it to the employers who pay it and shift it to the employees.
The private insurance companies have never controlled costs and never
will. LIEberman is well aware that a public option would dramatically
expand the nonopsony power of government to control the increasing
costs and FORCE the insurance companies into line in that the shifting
of costs would become too extreme for the private companies to just
"pass along". They too would have to limit their payments to providers.
This is the INTENT of the Public Option and it is the way in which the
Public Option will control the mushrooming costs.
Here is your problem. The government CANNOT control costs. Sure, it
can say "this is all we will pay" but then supply will dry up. Health
Care Costs will only be controlled when we have a free market of high-
deductible hospitalization-only plans coupled with Health Savings
Accounts so people actually shop for the majority of services which are
non-emergency. Then, just like LASIK prices have fallen, the rest of
health care costs will as well.
All the complaining about "insurance company profits" is nonsense.
The argument is being won! NO PUBLIC OPTION! And NO OBAMACARE for that
matter!
[/quote]
No, lying pig. The argument is NOT being won by the rightrded at all.
The righatrded are doing all they can to stop the people from advancing
as they want. The rightrded have already _LOST_ the actual argument.
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| Rod Speed... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:27 pm |
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AZDuffman wrote:
[quote]On Oct 27, 4:35 pm, Michael Coburn <mik... at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:43:22 -0700, AZDuffman wrote:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28788.html
Liberman has some common sense and realizes bankrupting the country
because some people don't like companies "making profit" is a bad
idea.
Lets see how many dems defect after the democrat losses in VA and NJ
next week.
Joe LIEberman is a lying pig supported by the Insurance lobby. In
reading his pig dung assessment and lies concerning his rationale
for being against a Public Option, it is made clear once again that
supposedly competing private insurance companies CANNOT contain
runaway medical costs. LIEberman's reference to the "cost shifting"
is an admission of this fact. As Medicare controls waste and
over-billing the providers SHIFT the cost to the insurance companies
who just pay it and shift it to the employers who pay it and shift
it to the employees. The private insurance companies have never
controlled costs and never will. LIEberman is well aware that a
public option would dramatically expand the nonopsony power of
government to control the increasing costs and FORCE the insurance
companies into line in that the shifting of costs would become too
extreme for the private companies to just "pass along". They too
would have to limit their payments to providers.
This is the INTENT of the Public Option and it is the way in which
the Public Option will control the mushrooming costs.
Here is your problem.
[/quote]
Nope.
[quote]The government CANNOT control costs.
[/quote]
Try telling that to the Japs. Dont be TOO surprised when
they just laugh in your stupid pig ignorant face, yet again.
[quote]Sure, it can say "this is all we will pay" but then supply will dry up.
[/quote]
How odd that it hasnt in Japan. Not only have they produced hospital
costs where the charge is quite literally just $10 per night if you are
happy with a shared 4 bed ward, and $90 if you want a private room,
the supply of hospital beds has not dried up and neither has the supply
of doctors or specialists either when the govt specifys what they can charge.
[quote]Health Care Costs will only be controlled when we have a free market of
high-deductible hospitalization-only plans coupled with Health Savings Accounts
so people actually shop for the majority of services which are non-emergency.
[/quote]
Try telling that to the Japs. Dont be TOO surprised when
they just laugh in your stupid pig ignorant face, yet again.
[quote]Then, just like LASIK prices have fallen, the rest of health care costs will as well.
[/quote]
The Japs achieved that in spades the other way.
Compare hospital charges sometime.
And those are MUCH more important costs as well.
[quote]All the complaining about "insurance company profits" is nonsense.
[/quote]
Yes, it isnt the profits that is the problem, its the cost of all those paper shuffling monkeys, fool.
[quote]The argument is being won! NO PUBLIC OPTION! And NO OBAMACARE for that matter!
[/quote]
Just another of your pathetic little pig ignorant fantasys, you watch. |
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| Econotron... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:19 pm |
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"AZDuffman" <srduffy1126 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b329475e-1718-4a1f-b807-8b6e10d07d59 at (no spam) v37g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
[quote]
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28788.html
Liberman has some common sense and realizes bankrupting the country
because some people don't like companies "making profit" is a bad
idea.
Lets see how many dems defect after the democrat losses in VA and NJ
next week.
That was to be expected. Few months ago, during one TV interview, he said[/quote]
that did not understand the rush of passing HC bill, any bill. He thought
that economic matters should have been addressed first, and the rest after
the economy recovered. But since he talks like falling asleep, nobody paid
much attention.
e. |
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| Les Cargill... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:52 pm |
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AZDuffman wrote:
[quote]http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28788.html
Liberman has some common sense and realizes bankrupting the country
because some people don't like companies "making profit" is a bad
idea.
Lets see how many dems defect after the democrat losses in VA and NJ
next week.
[/quote]
This is interesting:
http://www.intrade.com/jsp/intrade/common/c_cd.jsp?conDetailID=683800&z=1256666557672
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Les Cargill |
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| Clave... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 7:07 pm |
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"Michael Coburn" <mikcob at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote...
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[quote]Joe LIEberman is a lying pig supported by the Insurance lobby. In reading
his pig dung assessment and lies concerning his rationale for being
against a Public Option, it is made clear once again that supposedly
competing private insurance companies CANNOT contain runaway medical
costs. LIEberman's reference to the "cost shifting" is an admission of
this fact. As Medicare controls waste and over-billing the providers
SHIFT the cost to the insurance companies who just pay it and shift it to
the employers who pay it and shift it to the employees. The private
insurance companies have never controlled costs and never will.
LIEberman is well aware that a public option would dramatically expand
the nonopsony power of government to control the increasing costs and
FORCE the insurance companies into line in that the shifting of costs
would become too extreme for the private companies to just "pass along".
They too would have to limit their payments to providers.
This is the INTENT of the Public Option and it is the way in which the
Public Option will control the mushrooming costs.
[/quote]
Do you suppose the Democrats have the balls (should I even finish this
question?) to strip him of his gavel and kick him out of the caucus if he
votes against cloture?
Jim |
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| AZDuffman... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:19 am |
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On Oct 27, 9:07 pm, "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam... at (no spam) cablespeed.com>
wrote:
[quote]"Michael Coburn" <mik... at (no spam) verizon.net> wrote...
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Joe LIEberman is a lying pig supported by the Insurance lobby. In reading
his pig dung assessment and lies concerning his rationale for being
against a Public Option, it is made clear once again that supposedly
competing private insurance companies CANNOT contain runaway medical
costs. LIEberman's reference to the "cost shifting" is an admission of
this fact. As Medicare controls waste and over-billing the providers
SHIFT the cost to the insurance companies who just pay it and shift it to
the employers who pay it and shift it to the employees. The private
insurance companies have never controlled costs and never will.
LIEberman is well aware that a public option would dramatically expand
the nonopsony power of government to control the increasing costs and
FORCE the insurance companies into line in that the shifting of costs
would become too extreme for the private companies to just "pass along"..
They too would have to limit their payments to providers.
This is the INTENT of the Public Option and it is the way in which the
Public Option will control the mushrooming costs.
Do you suppose the Democrats have the balls (should I even finish this
question?) to strip him of his gavel and kick him out of the caucus if he
votes against cloture?
Jim- Hide quoted text -
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Not at all, they need his vote on other things too much.
Not only would Reid sell his own mother to make a deal, he's ship her
C.O.D. |
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