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| Jerry Peters... |
 Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:17 am |
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TonyS <scarborofun at (no spam) gmail.nspm.com> wrote:
[quote]JeffM wrote:
TonyS wrote:
Where is all this spam coming from?
Phil Hobbs wrote:
Get a real newsreader, like Thunderbird.
You really should check the header before posting such advice.
It appears that the problem isn't *getting* the proper software
but in not making the effort to learn how to use it effectively.
effort?
I tried message filters now and they work flaky to say the least.
I also use different computers quite often, how many times should I create
filters, let alone keep them up-to-date?
Would be so much more efficient to filter on the provider side.
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So switch providers to one that does the filtering. I see little or no
spam in sci.electronics.repair using eternal-september. They're free,
text-only, but do require registration.
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| TonyS... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:25 pm |
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Jerry Peters wrote:
[quote]TonyS <scarborofun at (no spam) gmail.nspm.com> wrote:
So switch providers to one that does the filtering. I see little or no
spam in sci.electronics.repair using eternal-september. They're free,
text-only, but do require registration.
Jerry
[/quote]
I just did what you suggested and sure enough, there is not a single spam. And
it seems fast enough. Thanks.
The thing is, my ISP used to provide the news and there was also no spam in this
group. Then they outsourced to giganews and now there is all this spam.
However, there is a number of groups that are restricted to users of my ISP.
These are groups that are local and they have become quite important to me.
You can't get them with any other provider.
That means I have to work with 2 news providers now and that's only because
giganews doesn't filter properly. I have complained to my provider but nothing
has changed, yet.
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| Dave Platt... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:28 pm |
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In article <csydndorBfd96HbXnZ2dnUVZ_jxi4p2d at (no spam) westnet.com.au>,
TonyS <scarborofun at (no spam) gmail.nspm.com> wrote:
[quote]I just did what you suggested and sure enough, there is not a single spam. And
it seems fast enough. Thanks.
The thing is, my ISP used to provide the news and there was also no spam
in this
group. Then they outsourced to giganews and now there is all this spam.
However, there is a number of groups that are restricted to users of my ISP.
These are groups that are local and they have become quite important to me.
You can't get them with any other provider.
That means I have to work with 2 news providers now and that's only because
giganews doesn't filter properly. I have complained to my provider but nothing
has changed, yet.
[/quote]
You might want to consider running something like "leafnode". I use
it to pull a Giganews feed to my own system, once an hour. With a few
filtering rules (based on the news headers), almost all of the spam is
never fetched from Giganews to my system. It works really well for me.
--
Dave Platt <dplatt at (no spam) radagast.org> AE6EO
Friends of Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
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| TonyS... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:49 pm |
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Dave Platt wrote:
[quote]In article <csydndorBfd96HbXnZ2dnUVZ_jxi4p2d at (no spam) westnet.com.au>,
TonyS <scarborofun at (no spam) gmail.nspm.com> wrote:
You might want to consider running something like "leafnode". I use
it to pull a Giganews feed to my own system, once an hour. With a few
filtering rules (based on the news headers), almost all of the spam is
never fetched from Giganews to my system. It works really well for me.
[/quote]
Thanks but this would take things too far for me  |
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| JeffM... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:42 am |
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| Jeff Liebermann... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:07 am |
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On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:55:36 +0800, TonyS <scarborofun at (no spam) gmail.nspm.com>
wrote:
[quote]Where is all this spam coming from?
[/quote]
Most email spam comes from users PC's taken over by a botnet. Since
email and usenet readers are often common, some of the email spam is
leaking over to usenet.
[quote]Can hardly find the posts.
Or is it just my news server, no one seams do mind?
[/quote]
Usenet news providers put quite a bit of effort into filtering out the
spam. Every once in a while, a large amount leaks through. It lasts
for a day or two, a filter gets crafted by the usenet news provider,
and life continues normally. Different Usenet news providers have
different philosophies about spam. Supernews used to be very
aggressive at eliminating spam, resulting in about 1 in 20 of my
posting just disappearing because something I included was treated as
spam. Other services advertise that they're "censorship free" which
simply means they don't bother doing any filtering for spam.
<http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/cleanfeed/>
[quote]Is there anything that can be done about it?
[/quote]
1. Don't click on the included links. That's how the spammers
determine if their advertising is effective.
2. Don't buy from spammers. A large number of people buy from them,
mostly because of the price and easy availability (i.e. Viagra).
3. Complain to your usenet provider.
4. Tell Google that they've switched from "Do no evil" to being the
source of much evil. They need to do some enforcement, but that's
difficult since usenet news does not generate any advertising revenue.
5. Do your own filtering. I use nfilter:
<http://www.nfilter.org>
<http://www.fitnwell.net/nfilter.htm>
<http://www.subgenius.com/updates/X0018_Nfilter-_A_Spam_Filt.html>
<http://www.saska.co.uk/nfilter/nfilter_faq_modified.html>
This is old technology, but still works quite well.
[quote]Like fines for anyone who ever buys anything from a spammer?
[/quote]
It's not just for sale advertising that's a problem. There's also
political, religious, flying saucer, and personal agenda advertising.
Enforcement at the source is almost impossible.
--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl at (no spam) cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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| JeffM... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:23 am |
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Jeff Liebermann wrote:
[quote]Full disclosure: I've been involved in usenet news since Bnews
running on Xenix 286 in the early 1980's when there were
only 16 newsgroups and everyone was incredibly polite.
I've also helped admin, moderate, and monitor
usenet news servers and groups,
a nightmare I never wish to repeat.
I figured something like that.[/quote]
I was just tacking on some more ideas for the OP.
....and most folks don't pay much mind
to the nuances of Google Groups
--not even those who use it for daily Usenet access. 8-(
[quote]History of Usenet (according to Giganews):
http://www.giganews.com/usenet-history/
That's a useful once-over-lightly page[/quote]
--certainly better than Wikipedia's page on Usenet
which gets deep really fast. |
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| Jeff Liebermann... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:13 pm |
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On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 10:42:26 -0700 (PDT), JeffM <jeffm_ at (no spam) email.com>
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[quote]5. Do your own filtering. I use nfilter:
...and Platt has already mentioned Leafnode.
[/quote]
They're not quite the same. NewsProxy/nfilter are filters that
operate in the news reader. Leafnode is a full usenet news server,
where you read and archive your news locally. It does have a built in
filter suitable for filtering out spam. Leafnode is great if you
happen to have a dedicated Unix server handy that's running 24x7x365.
Full disclosure: I've been involved in usenet news since Bnews
running on Xenix 286 in the early 1980's when there were only 16
newsgroups and everyone was incredibly polite. I've also helped
admin, moderate, and monitor usenet news servers and groups, a
nightmare I never wish to repeat.
History of Usenet (according to Giganews):
<http://www.giganews.com/usenet-history/>
<http://www.giganews.com/usenet-history/sitemap.html>
--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl at (no spam) cruzio.com
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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| Bob Larter... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:28 am |
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TonyS wrote:
[quote]JeffM wrote:
Phil Hobbs wrote:
You really should check the header before posting such advice.
It appears that the problem isn't *getting* the proper software
but in not making the effort to learn how to use it effectively.
...and an additional layer in the stack improves the yield:
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=nFilter+OR+NewsProxy+Hamster+Leafnode+-jeffm_+-News.Proxy+-inurl:www&num=100
Thanks for the links. I use Thunderbird and will look into this.
The strange thing is that never before I saw the need for any spam filter.
I do filter out certain unpleasant posters, which is only partly useful
as I still see the posts that reply to the OP.
I've been on usenet for close to 20 years end have never come across
spam of this scale. It's fair to assume that something has changed.
[/quote]
No, not really. It's just that spammers have figured out how to automate
account-creation at Google, so there's more of them these days.
--
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\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
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| Bob Larter... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:31 am |
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N_Cook wrote:
[quote]David Nebenzahl <nobody at (no spam) but.us.chickens> wrote in message
news:4ae64244$0$11315$822641b3 at (no spam) news.adtechcomputers.com...
On 10/26/2009 3:55 PM TonyS spake thus:
I've been on usenet for close to 20 years end have never come across
spam of this scale. It's fair to assume that something has changed.
Something has, indeed. It's called Google (Google Groups). They've
really fucked things up around here.
--
Found--the gene that causes belief in genetic determinism
It was fine when it was
http://www.deja.com/usenet
[/quote]
You mean DejaNews.
[quote]bought by guess who?
[/quote]
Ayup. And many of us predicted that this would be what would happen.
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\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
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| Bob Larter... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:32 am |
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David Nebenzahl wrote:
[quote]On 10/27/2009 12:19 AM N_Cook spake thus:
David Nebenzahl <nobody at (no spam) but.us.chickens> wrote in message
news:4ae64244$0$11315$822641b3 at (no spam) news.adtechcomputers.com...
On 10/26/2009 3:55 PM TonyS spake thus:
I've been on usenet for close to 20 years end have never come across
spam of this scale. It's fair to assume that something has changed.
Something has, indeed. It's called Google (Google Groups). They've
really fucked things up around here.
It was fine when it was
http://www.deja.com/usenet
bought by guess who?
Yes it was. Let's not forget who fucked it all up. It was those
"geniuses" over there in Mountain View.
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Yeah. "Don't be evil", my arse.
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| Bob Larter... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:34 am |
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TonyS wrote:
[quote]Jerry Peters wrote:
TonyS <scarborofun at (no spam) gmail.nspm.com> wrote:
So switch providers to one that does the filtering. I see little or no
spam in sci.electronics.repair using eternal-september. They're free,
text-only, but do require registration.
Jerry
I just did what you suggested and sure enough, there is not a single
spam. And it seems fast enough. Thanks.
The thing is, my ISP used to provide the news and there was also no spam
in this group. Then they outsourced to giganews and now there is all
this spam.
However, there is a number of groups that are restricted to users of my
ISP. These are groups that are local and they have become quite
important to me.
You can't get them with any other provider.
That means I have to work with 2 news providers now and that's only
because giganews doesn't filter properly. I have complained to my
provider but nothing has changed, yet.
[/quote]
In Thunderbird, you can set up multiple news providers. (via New
Account.) Use eternal-september for the public groups, & only use
Giganews for your local groups.
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\|/ \|/ it is illegal to kill them." Perna condita delenda est
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| Bob Larter... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:35 am |
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Meat Plow wrote:
[quote]On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:55:36 +0800, TonyS
scarborofun at (no spam) gmail.nspm.com>wrote:
Where is all this spam coming from?
Can hardly find the posts.
Or is it just my news server, no one seams do mind?
Is there anything that can be done about it?
Like fines for anyone who ever buys anything from a spammer?
Tony
Not seen on Altopia.
[/quote]
Really? Back when I used them, Altopias boast used to be that they
didn't filter anything.
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| TonyS... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:47 am |
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Bob Larter wrote:
[quote]TonyS wrote:
In Thunderbird, you can set up multiple news providers. (via New
Account.) Use eternal-september for the public groups, & only use
Giganews for your local groups.
[/quote]
Yes, thats what I am doing now.
Just for good measure I am trying my spam filter on giganews.
Sort of works now actually.
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| Jerry Peters... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:43 am |
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Jeff Liebermann <jeffl at (no spam) cruzio.com> wrote:
[quote]On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:55:36 +0800, TonyS <scarborofun at (no spam) gmail.nspm.com
wrote:
Where is all this spam coming from?
Most email spam comes from users PC's taken over by a botnet. Since
email and usenet readers are often common, some of the email spam is
leaking over to usenet.
Can hardly find the posts.
Or is it just my news server, no one seams do mind?
Usenet news providers put quite a bit of effort into filtering out the
spam. Every once in a while, a large amount leaks through. It lasts
for a day or two, a filter gets crafted by the usenet news provider,
and life continues normally. Different Usenet news providers have
different philosophies about spam. Supernews used to be very
aggressive at eliminating spam, resulting in about 1 in 20 of my
posting just disappearing because something I included was treated as
spam. Other services advertise that they're "censorship free" which
simply means they don't bother doing any filtering for spam.
http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/cleanfeed/
Is there anything that can be done about it?
1. Don't click on the included links. That's how the spammers
determine if their advertising is effective.
2. Don't buy from spammers. A large number of people buy from them,
mostly because of the price and easy availability (i.e. Viagra).
[/quote]
But what's the probability that I'd actually *receive* Viagra or
whatever? Especially from China.
Jerry |
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