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| mpc755... |
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Here is the experiment. It is similar to the image on the right here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experiment
Send a photon through a BBO crystal. Two down converted photons are
created.
Note: It is important to realize at this point, due to conservation of
momentum, the waves associated with each photon are exact opposites.
Send each photon through its own beam splitter. Combine the paths of
one of the beam splitters which the photon traveled through with the
path of the other beam splitter which the photon was reflected by.
For the other two paths have detectors (D1 and D2) just after the beam
splitters.
When one of the photons is detected at either D1 or D2, but not both,
then there is a photon 'particle' and its associated 'bow wave' along
with the aether wave of the detected photon traveling along the
combined paths.
In QM, since one of the photons has already been detected, there
should only be a photon 'particle' and its associated 'bow wave'
traveling along a single path with nothing to interfere with.
If an interference pattern is created, this means the 'bow wave' of a
photon interfered with the aether wave of the detected photon which
altered the direction the photon 'particle' was traveling.
Even with the nonsense of QM, once one of the particles is detected I
do not see how QM could interpret the results other than the photon
'particle' and its 'bow wave' is interfering with 'something else'. |
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| Nick |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:06 am |
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On Oct 30, 12:02 pm, mpc755 <mpc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Here is the experiment. It is similar to the image on the right here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experi...
Send a photon through a BBO crystal. Two down converted photons are
created.
Note: It is important to realize at this point, due to conservation of
momentum, the waves associated with each photon are exact opposites.
Send each photon through its own beam splitter. Combine the paths of
one of the beam splitters which the photon traveled through with the
path of the other beam splitter which the photon was reflected by.
For the other two paths have detectors (D1 and D2) just after the beam
splitters.
When one of the photons is detected at either D1 or D2, but not both,
then there is a photon 'particle' and its associated 'bow wave' along
with the aether wave of the detected photon traveling along the
combined paths.
In QM, since one of the photons has already been detected, there
should only be a photon 'particle' and its associated 'bow wave'
traveling along a single path with nothing to interfere with.
If an interference pattern is created, this means the 'bow wave' of a
photon interfered with the aether wave of the detected photon which
altered the direction the photon 'particle' was traveling.
Even with the nonsense of QM, once one of the particles is detected I
do not see how QM could interpret the results other than the photon
'particle' and its 'bow wave' is interfering with 'something else'.
[/quote]
Proton wave inteference tested in the Two Slit Experiment
Mitch Raemsch |
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| mpc755... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:14 am |
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On Oct 30, 4:06 pm, BURT <macromi... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 30, 12:02 pm, mpc755 <mpc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Here is the experiment. It is similar to the image on the right here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experi...
Send a photon through a BBO crystal. Two down converted photons are
created.
Note: It is important to realize at this point, due to conservation of
momentum, the waves associated with each photon are exact opposites.
Send each photon through its own beam splitter. Combine the paths of
one of the beam splitters which the photon traveled through with the
path of the other beam splitter which the photon was reflected by.
For the other two paths have detectors (D1 and D2) just after the beam
splitters.
When one of the photons is detected at either D1 or D2, but not both,
then there is a photon 'particle' and its associated 'bow wave' along
with the aether wave of the detected photon traveling along the
combined paths.
In QM, since one of the photons has already been detected, there
should only be a photon 'particle' and its associated 'bow wave'
traveling along a single path with nothing to interfere with.
If an interference pattern is created, this means the 'bow wave' of a
photon interfered with the aether wave of the detected photon which
altered the direction the photon 'particle' was traveling.
Even with the nonsense of QM, once one of the particles is detected I
do not see how QM could interpret the results other than the photon
'particle' and its 'bow wave' is interfering with 'something else'.
Proton wave inteference tested in the Two Slit Experiment
Mitch Raemsch
[/quote]
The experiment I am proposing would consist of two protons and would
be a Four Slit Experiment.
The outside slits would detect one, but not both, of the protons.
The proton which exits an inner slit and its associated 'bow wave'
would interact with the aether wave of the detected proton.
Is this what you are referring to? If so, please provide links. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:23 am |
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On Oct 30, 1:14 pm, mpc755 <mpc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 30, 4:06 pm, BURT <macromi... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 12:02 pm, mpc755 <mpc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Here is the experiment. It is similar to the image on the right here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experi...
Send a photon through a BBO crystal. Two down converted photons are
created.
Note: It is important to realize at this point, due to conservation of
momentum, the waves associated with each photon are exact opposites.
Send each photon through its own beam splitter. Combine the paths of
one of the beam splitters which the photon traveled through with the
path of the other beam splitter which the photon was reflected by.
For the other two paths have detectors (D1 and D2) just after the beam
splitters.
When one of the photons is detected at either D1 or D2, but not both,
then there is a photon 'particle' and its associated 'bow wave' along
with the aether wave of the detected photon traveling along the
combined paths.
In QM, since one of the photons has already been detected, there
should only be a photon 'particle' and its associated 'bow wave'
traveling along a single path with nothing to interfere with.
If an interference pattern is created, this means the 'bow wave' of a
photon interfered with the aether wave of the detected photon which
altered the direction the photon 'particle' was traveling.
Even with the nonsense of QM, once one of the particles is detected I
do not see how QM could interpret the results other than the photon
'particle' and its 'bow wave' is interfering with 'something else'.
Proton wave inteference tested in the Two Slit Experiment
Mitch Raemsch
The experiment I am proposing would consist of two protons and would
be a Four Slit Experiment.
The outside slits would detect one, but not both, of the protons.
The proton which exits an inner slit and its associated 'bow wave'
would interact with the aether wave of the detected proton.
Is this what you are referring to? If so, please provide links.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
[/quote]
It is enteresting that the aether of vibration is the quantum wave.
Interferece is a manifestion of the wave that causes quantum
vibration. The atom shakes and its part shake in a second way.
Vibrating of the already vibrating. Atom and part. Double vibration.
One inside the other in the aether.
Mitch Raemsch |
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| mpc755... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:30 am |
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On Oct 30, 4:23 pm, BURT <macromi... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 30, 1:14 pm, mpc755 <mpc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 4:06 pm, BURT <macromi... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 12:02 pm, mpc755 <mpc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Here is the experiment. It is similar to the image on the right here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experi...
Send a photon through a BBO crystal. Two down converted photons are
created.
Note: It is important to realize at this point, due to conservation of
momentum, the waves associated with each photon are exact opposites..
Send each photon through its own beam splitter. Combine the paths of
one of the beam splitters which the photon traveled through with the
path of the other beam splitter which the photon was reflected by.
For the other two paths have detectors (D1 and D2) just after the beam
splitters.
When one of the photons is detected at either D1 or D2, but not both,
then there is a photon 'particle' and its associated 'bow wave' along
with the aether wave of the detected photon traveling along the
combined paths.
In QM, since one of the photons has already been detected, there
should only be a photon 'particle' and its associated 'bow wave'
traveling along a single path with nothing to interfere with.
If an interference pattern is created, this means the 'bow wave' of a
photon interfered with the aether wave of the detected photon which
altered the direction the photon 'particle' was traveling.
Even with the nonsense of QM, once one of the particles is detected I
do not see how QM could interpret the results other than the photon
'particle' and its 'bow wave' is interfering with 'something else'.
Proton wave inteference tested in the Two Slit Experiment
Mitch Raemsch
The experiment I am proposing would consist of two protons and would
be a Four Slit Experiment.
The outside slits would detect one, but not both, of the protons.
The proton which exits an inner slit and its associated 'bow wave'
would interact with the aether wave of the detected proton.
Is this what you are referring to? If so, please provide links.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
It is enteresting that the aether of vibration is the quantum wave.
Interferece is a manifestion of the wave that causes quantum
vibration. The atom shakes and its part shake in a second way.
Vibrating of the already vibrating. Atom and part. Double vibration.
One inside the other in the aether.
Mitch Raemsch
[/quote]
The experiment I am proposing has to do with the aether wave which
exists after the photon which created the aether wave is detected. In
QM, the wave function will collapse and no longer exist after the
photon is detected.
I am proposing an experiment which will demonstrate AD and be evidence
against QM. |
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| PD... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:40 am |
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On Oct 30, 3:06 pm, BURT <macromi... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 30, 12:02 pm, mpc755 <mpc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Here is the experiment. It is similar to the image on the right here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experi...
Send a photon through a BBO crystal. Two down converted photons are
created.
Note: It is important to realize at this point, due to conservation of
momentum, the waves associated with each photon are exact opposites.
Send each photon through its own beam splitter. Combine the paths of
one of the beam splitters which the photon traveled through with the
path of the other beam splitter which the photon was reflected by.
For the other two paths have detectors (D1 and D2) just after the beam
splitters.
When one of the photons is detected at either D1 or D2, but not both,
then there is a photon 'particle' and its associated 'bow wave' along
with the aether wave of the detected photon traveling along the
combined paths.
In QM, since one of the photons has already been detected, there
should only be a photon 'particle' and its associated 'bow wave'
traveling along a single path with nothing to interfere with.
If an interference pattern is created, this means the 'bow wave' of a
photon interfered with the aether wave of the detected photon which
altered the direction the photon 'particle' was traveling.
Even with the nonsense of QM, once one of the particles is detected I
do not see how QM could interpret the results other than the photon
'particle' and its 'bow wave' is interfering with 'something else'.
Proton wave inteference tested in the Two Slit Experiment
Mitch Raemsch
[/quote]
Oh MITCH! You blew it! He was on his way to 20 posts talking to
himself, and you interrupted him! |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:52 am |
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On Oct 30, 4:30 pm, mpc755 <mpc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 30, 4:23 pm, BURT <macromi... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 1:14 pm, mpc755 <mpc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 4:06 pm, BURT <macromi... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 12:02 pm, mpc755 <mpc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Here is the experiment. It is similar to the image on the right here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experi....
Send a photon through a BBO crystal. Two down converted photons are
created.
Note: It is important to realize at this point, due to conservation of
momentum, the waves associated with each photon are exact opposites.
Send each photon through its own beam splitter. Combine the paths of
one of the beam splitters which the photon traveled through with the
path of the other beam splitter which the photon was reflected by..
For the other two paths have detectors (D1 and D2) just after the beam
splitters.
When one of the photons is detected at either D1 or D2, but not both,
then there is a photon 'particle' and its associated 'bow wave' along
with the aether wave of the detected photon traveling along the
combined paths.
In QM, since one of the photons has already been detected, there
should only be a photon 'particle' and its associated 'bow wave'
traveling along a single path with nothing to interfere with.
If an interference pattern is created, this means the 'bow wave' of a
photon interfered with the aether wave of the detected photon which
altered the direction the photon 'particle' was traveling.
Even with the nonsense of QM, once one of the particles is detected I
do not see how QM could interpret the results other than the photon
'particle' and its 'bow wave' is interfering with 'something else'.
Proton wave inteference tested in the Two Slit Experiment
Mitch Raemsch
The experiment I am proposing would consist of two protons and would
be a Four Slit Experiment.
The outside slits would detect one, but not both, of the protons.
The proton which exits an inner slit and its associated 'bow wave'
would interact with the aether wave of the detected proton.
Is this what you are referring to? If so, please provide links.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
It is enteresting that the aether of vibration is the quantum wave.
Interferece is a manifestion of the wave that causes quantum
vibration. The atom shakes and its part shake in a second way.
Vibrating of the already vibrating. Atom and part. Double vibration.
One inside the other in the aether.
Mitch Raemsch
The experiment I am proposing has to do with the aether wave which
exists after the photon which created the aether wave is detected. In
QM, the wave function will collapse and no longer exist after the
photon is detected.
I am proposing an experiment which will demonstrate AD and be evidence
against QM.
[/quote]
A=mc^2
Where A is aether. All matter is condensed aether. A=mc^2 tells you
how much aether.
When matter transitions to aether, it is less dense but more
voluminous. The transition of matter to aether and the effect this
transition has on the aether and matter which exists in the
surrounding three dimensional space is what we label 'energy'. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:02 pm |
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On Oct 30, 1:30 pm, mpc755 <mpc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 30, 4:23 pm, BURT <macromi... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 1:14 pm, mpc755 <mpc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 4:06 pm, BURT <macromi... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 12:02 pm, mpc755 <mpc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Here is the experiment. It is similar to the image on the right here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experi....
Send a photon through a BBO crystal. Two down converted photons are
created.
Note: It is important to realize at this point, due to conservation of
momentum, the waves associated with each photon are exact opposites.
Send each photon through its own beam splitter. Combine the paths of
one of the beam splitters which the photon traveled through with the
path of the other beam splitter which the photon was reflected by..
For the other two paths have detectors (D1 and D2) just after the beam
splitters.
When one of the photons is detected at either D1 or D2, but not both,
then there is a photon 'particle' and its associated 'bow wave' along
with the aether wave of the detected photon traveling along the
combined paths.
In QM, since one of the photons has already been detected, there
should only be a photon 'particle' and its associated 'bow wave'
traveling along a single path with nothing to interfere with.
If an interference pattern is created, this means the 'bow wave' of a
photon interfered with the aether wave of the detected photon which
altered the direction the photon 'particle' was traveling.
Even with the nonsense of QM, once one of the particles is detected I
do not see how QM could interpret the results other than the photon
'particle' and its 'bow wave' is interfering with 'something else'.
Proton wave inteference tested in the Two Slit Experiment
Mitch Raemsch
The experiment I am proposing would consist of two protons and would
be a Four Slit Experiment.
The outside slits would detect one, but not both, of the protons.
The proton which exits an inner slit and its associated 'bow wave'
would interact with the aether wave of the detected proton.
Is this what you are referring to? If so, please provide links.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
It is enteresting that the aether of vibration is the quantum wave.
Interferece is a manifestion of the wave that causes quantum
vibration. The atom shakes and its part shake in a second way.
Vibrating of the already vibrating. Atom and part. Double vibration.
One inside the other in the aether.
Mitch Raemsch
The experiment I am proposing has to do with the aether wave which
exists after the photon which created the aether wave is detected. In
QM, the wave function will collapse and no longer exist after the
photon is detected.
[/quote]
Yes. The electron wave function collapses because of the presence of
light in its field. Light at the Two Slit experiment collapses the
quantum wave as it passes over it. There is No Observer Created
Reality. Instead you can imagine light itself as creating the wave
function collapse phenomenon. This is worth a Nobel Prize. Protons
collapse as well when put into that experiment/aether.
Mitch Raemsch
[quote]
I am proposing an experiment which will demonstrate AD and be evidence
against QM.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -[/quote] |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:59 pm |
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mpc755 wrote:
[quote]When matter transitions to aether, it is less dense but more
voluminous.
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How come that you are more dense everyday but not less voluminous,
at least your posts aren't ? |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:14 pm |
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On Oct 30, 8:02 pm, BURT <macromi... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 30, 1:30 pm, mpc755 <mpc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 4:23 pm, BURT <macromi... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 1:14 pm, mpc755 <mpc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 4:06 pm, BURT <macromi... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 12:02 pm, mpc755 <mpc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Here is the experiment. It is similar to the image on the right here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experi....
Send a photon through a BBO crystal. Two down converted photons are
created.
Note: It is important to realize at this point, due to conservation of
momentum, the waves associated with each photon are exact opposites.
Send each photon through its own beam splitter. Combine the paths of
one of the beam splitters which the photon traveled through with the
path of the other beam splitter which the photon was reflected by.
For the other two paths have detectors (D1 and D2) just after the beam
splitters.
When one of the photons is detected at either D1 or D2, but not both,
then there is a photon 'particle' and its associated 'bow wave' along
with the aether wave of the detected photon traveling along the
combined paths.
In QM, since one of the photons has already been detected, there
should only be a photon 'particle' and its associated 'bow wave'
traveling along a single path with nothing to interfere with.
If an interference pattern is created, this means the 'bow wave' of a
photon interfered with the aether wave of the detected photon which
altered the direction the photon 'particle' was traveling.
Even with the nonsense of QM, once one of the particles is detected I
do not see how QM could interpret the results other than the photon
'particle' and its 'bow wave' is interfering with 'something else'.
Proton wave inteference tested in the Two Slit Experiment
Mitch Raemsch
The experiment I am proposing would consist of two protons and would
be a Four Slit Experiment.
The outside slits would detect one, but not both, of the protons.
The proton which exits an inner slit and its associated 'bow wave'
would interact with the aether wave of the detected proton.
Is this what you are referring to? If so, please provide links.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
It is enteresting that the aether of vibration is the quantum wave.
Interferece is a manifestion of the wave that causes quantum
vibration. The atom shakes and its part shake in a second way.
Vibrating of the already vibrating. Atom and part. Double vibration.
One inside the other in the aether.
Mitch Raemsch
The experiment I am proposing has to do with the aether wave which
exists after the photon which created the aether wave is detected. In
QM, the wave function will collapse and no longer exist after the
photon is detected.
Yes. The electron wave function collapses because of the presence of
light in its field. Light at the Two Slit experiment collapses the
quantum wave as it passes over it. There is No Observer Created
Reality. Instead you can imagine light itself as creating the wave
function collapse phenomenon. This is worth a Nobel Prize. Protons
collapse as well when put into that experiment/aether.
Mitch Raemsch
[/quote]
Correct, there is no Observer created reality. The photon when
detected does physically collapse, but it is important to realize when
a photon interacts with the slits in the double slit experiment there
is an aether wave traveling through both slits, one of which contains
a photon which is capable of collapsing and being detected as a
particle. I'm not so sure about protons. I think protons do not
collapse. I think protons always exist as a particle and the
displacement wave enters and exits both slit while the proton always
enters and exits a single slit. This is why I always refer to the C-60
molecule in the double slit experiment. There have been experiments
where the C-60 molecule has created interference patterns in the
double slit experiment. I think a C-60 molecule is complex enough that
considering 60 interconnected atoms are able to enter, travel through,
and exit multiple slits simultaneously without releasing energy,
requiring energy, or having a change in momentum requires a leap of
faith. It is conceptually much easier to understand the C-60 molecule
creates a displacement wave in the aether and it is the displacement
wave which enters and exits both slits while the C-60 molecule enters
and exits a single slit.
Where does a 'particle' become a particle that doesn't require quotes?
Definitely not a photon and probably not an electron but sooner or
later a photon is a particle (without quotes) creating a displacement
wave in the aether.
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I am proposing an experiment which will demonstrate AD and be evidence
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On Oct 30, 8:02 pm, BURT <macromi... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 30, 1:30 pm, mpc755 <mpc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 4:23 pm, BURT <macromi... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 1:14 pm, mpc755 <mpc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 4:06 pm, BURT <macromi... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 12:02 pm, mpc755 <mpc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Here is the experiment. It is similar to the image on the right here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experi....
Send a photon through a BBO crystal. Two down converted photons are
created.
Note: It is important to realize at this point, due to conservation of
momentum, the waves associated with each photon are exact opposites.
Send each photon through its own beam splitter. Combine the paths of
one of the beam splitters which the photon traveled through with the
path of the other beam splitter which the photon was reflected by.
For the other two paths have detectors (D1 and D2) just after the beam
splitters.
When one of the photons is detected at either D1 or D2, but not both,
then there is a photon 'particle' and its associated 'bow wave' along
with the aether wave of the detected photon traveling along the
combined paths.
In QM, since one of the photons has already been detected, there
should only be a photon 'particle' and its associated 'bow wave'
traveling along a single path with nothing to interfere with.
If an interference pattern is created, this means the 'bow wave' of a
photon interfered with the aether wave of the detected photon which
altered the direction the photon 'particle' was traveling.
Even with the nonsense of QM, once one of the particles is detected I
do not see how QM could interpret the results other than the photon
'particle' and its 'bow wave' is interfering with 'something else'.
Proton wave inteference tested in the Two Slit Experiment
Mitch Raemsch
The experiment I am proposing would consist of two protons and would
be a Four Slit Experiment.
The outside slits would detect one, but not both, of the protons.
The proton which exits an inner slit and its associated 'bow wave'
would interact with the aether wave of the detected proton.
Is this what you are referring to? If so, please provide links.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
It is enteresting that the aether of vibration is the quantum wave.
Interferece is a manifestion of the wave that causes quantum
vibration. The atom shakes and its part shake in a second way.
Vibrating of the already vibrating. Atom and part. Double vibration.
One inside the other in the aether.
Mitch Raemsch
The experiment I am proposing has to do with the aether wave which
exists after the photon which created the aether wave is detected. In
QM, the wave function will collapse and no longer exist after the
photon is detected.
Yes. The electron wave function collapses because of the presence of
light in its field. Light at the Two Slit experiment collapses the
quantum wave as it passes over it. There is No Observer Created
Reality. Instead you can imagine light itself as creating the wave
function collapse phenomenon. This is worth a Nobel Prize. Protons
collapse as well when put into that experiment/aether.
Mitch Raemsch
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Correct, there is no Observer created reality. The photon when
detected does physically collapse, but it is important to realize when
a photon interacts with the slits in the double slit experiment there
is an aether wave traveling through both slits, one of which contains
a photon which is capable of collapsing and being detected as a
particle. I'm not so sure about protons. I think protons do not
collapse. I think protons always exist as a particle and the
displacement wave enters and exits both slit while the proton always
enters and exits a single slit. This is why I always refer to the C-60
molecule in the double slit experiment. There have been experiments
where the C-60 molecule has created interference patterns in the
double slit experiment. I think a C-60 molecule is complex enough that
considering 60 interconnected atoms are able to enter, travel through,
and exit multiple slits simultaneously without releasing energy,
requiring energy, or having a change in momentum requires a leap of
faith. It is conceptually much easier to understand the C-60 molecule
creates a displacement wave in the aether and it is the displacement
wave which enters and exits both slits while the C-60 molecule enters
and exits a single slit.
Where does a 'particle' become a particle that doesn't require quotes?
Definitely not a photon and probably not an electron but sooner or
later a photon is a particle (without quotes) creating a displacement
wave in the aether.
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On Oct 30, 8:02 pm, BURT <macromi... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 30, 1:30 pm, mpc755 <mpc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 4:23 pm, BURT <macromi... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 1:14 pm, mpc755 <mpc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 4:06 pm, BURT <macromi... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 12:02 pm, mpc755 <mpc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Here is the experiment. It is similar to the image on the right here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experi....
Send a photon through a BBO crystal. Two down converted photons are
created.
Note: It is important to realize at this point, due to conservation of
momentum, the waves associated with each photon are exact opposites.
Send each photon through its own beam splitter. Combine the paths of
one of the beam splitters which the photon traveled through with the
path of the other beam splitter which the photon was reflected by.
For the other two paths have detectors (D1 and D2) just after the beam
splitters.
When one of the photons is detected at either D1 or D2, but not both,
then there is a photon 'particle' and its associated 'bow wave' along
with the aether wave of the detected photon traveling along the
combined paths.
In QM, since one of the photons has already been detected, there
should only be a photon 'particle' and its associated 'bow wave'
traveling along a single path with nothing to interfere with.
If an interference pattern is created, this means the 'bow wave' of a
photon interfered with the aether wave of the detected photon which
altered the direction the photon 'particle' was traveling.
Even with the nonsense of QM, once one of the particles is detected I
do not see how QM could interpret the results other than the photon
'particle' and its 'bow wave' is interfering with 'something else'.
Proton wave inteference tested in the Two Slit Experiment
Mitch Raemsch
The experiment I am proposing would consist of two protons and would
be a Four Slit Experiment.
The outside slits would detect one, but not both, of the protons.
The proton which exits an inner slit and its associated 'bow wave'
would interact with the aether wave of the detected proton.
Is this what you are referring to? If so, please provide links.- Hide quoted text -
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It is enteresting that the aether of vibration is the quantum wave.
Interferece is a manifestion of the wave that causes quantum
vibration. The atom shakes and its part shake in a second way.
Vibrating of the already vibrating. Atom and part. Double vibration.
One inside the other in the aether.
Mitch Raemsch
The experiment I am proposing has to do with the aether wave which
exists after the photon which created the aether wave is detected. In
QM, the wave function will collapse and no longer exist after the
photon is detected.
Yes. The electron wave function collapses because of the presence of
light in its field. Light at the Two Slit experiment collapses the
quantum wave as it passes over it. There is No Observer Created
Reality. Instead you can imagine light itself as creating the wave
function collapse phenomenon. This is worth a Nobel Prize. Protons
collapse as well when put into that experiment/aether.
Mitch Raemsch
[/quote]
Correct, there is no Observer created reality. The photon when
detected does physically collapse, but it is important to realize when
a photon interacts with the slits in the double slit experiment there
is an aether wave traveling through both slits, one of which contains
a photon which is capable of collapsing and being detected as a
particle. I'm not so sure about protons. I think protons do not
collapse. I think protons always exist as a particle and the
displacement wave enters and exits both slits while the proton always
enters and exits a single slit. This is why I always refer to the C-60
molecule in the double slit experiment. There have been experiments
where the C-60 molecule has created interference patterns in the
double slit experiment. I think a C-60 molecule is complex enough that
considering 60 interconnected atoms are able to enter, travel through,
and exit multiple slits simultaneously without releasing energy,
requiring energy, or having a change in momentum requires a leap of
faith. It is conceptually much easier to understand the C-60 molecule
creates a displacement wave in the aether and it is the displacement
wave which enters and exits both slits while the C-60 molecule enters
and exits a single slit.
When does a 'particle' become a particle that doesn't require quotes?
Definitely not a photon and probably not an electron but sooner or
later a particle is a standalone entity which does not require quotes
and creates a displacement wave in the aether which enters and exits
both slits while the particle (without quotes) enters and exits a
single slit.
[quote]
I am proposing an experiment which will demonstrate AD and be evidence
against QM.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
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On Oct 30, 8:39 pm, mpc755 <mpc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 30, 8:02 pm, BURT <macromi... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 1:30 pm, mpc755 <mpc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 4:23 pm, BURT <macromi... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 1:14 pm, mpc755 <mpc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 4:06 pm, BURT <macromi... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 12:02 pm, mpc755 <mpc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Here is the experiment. It is similar to the image on the right here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experi...
Send a photon through a BBO crystal. Two down converted photons are
created.
Note: It is important to realize at this point, due to conservation of
momentum, the waves associated with each photon are exact opposites.
Send each photon through its own beam splitter. Combine the paths of
one of the beam splitters which the photon traveled through with the
path of the other beam splitter which the photon was reflected by.
For the other two paths have detectors (D1 and D2) just after the beam
splitters.
When one of the photons is detected at either D1 or D2, but not both,
then there is a photon 'particle' and its associated 'bow wave' along
with the aether wave of the detected photon traveling along the
combined paths.
In QM, since one of the photons has already been detected, there
should only be a photon 'particle' and its associated 'bow wave'
traveling along a single path with nothing to interfere with.
If an interference pattern is created, this means the 'bow wave' of a
photon interfered with the aether wave of the detected photon which
altered the direction the photon 'particle' was traveling.
Even with the nonsense of QM, once one of the particles is detected I
do not see how QM could interpret the results other than the photon
'particle' and its 'bow wave' is interfering with 'something else'.
Proton wave inteference tested in the Two Slit Experiment
Mitch Raemsch
The experiment I am proposing would consist of two protons and would
be a Four Slit Experiment.
The outside slits would detect one, but not both, of the protons.
The proton which exits an inner slit and its associated 'bow wave'
would interact with the aether wave of the detected proton.
Is this what you are referring to? If so, please provide links.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
It is enteresting that the aether of vibration is the quantum wave.
Interferece is a manifestion of the wave that causes quantum
vibration. The atom shakes and its part shake in a second way.
Vibrating of the already vibrating. Atom and part. Double vibration..
One inside the other in the aether.
Mitch Raemsch
The experiment I am proposing has to do with the aether wave which
exists after the photon which created the aether wave is detected. In
QM, the wave function will collapse and no longer exist after the
photon is detected.
Yes. The electron wave function collapses because of the presence of
light in its field. Light at the Two Slit experiment collapses the
quantum wave as it passes over it. There is No Observer Created
Reality. Instead you can imagine light itself as creating the wave
function collapse phenomenon. This is worth a Nobel Prize. Protons
collapse as well when put into that experiment/aether.
Mitch Raemsch
Correct, there is no Observer created reality. The photon when
detected does physically collapse, but it is important to realize when
a photon interacts with the slits in the double slit experiment there
is an aether wave traveling through both slits, one of which contains
a photon which is capable of collapsing and being detected as a
particle. I'm not so sure about protons. I think protons do not
collapse. I think protons always exist as a particle and the
displacement wave enters and exits both slits while the proton always
enters and exits a single slit. This is why I always refer to the C-60
molecule in the double slit experiment. There have been experiments
where the C-60 molecule has created interference patterns in the
double slit experiment. I think a C-60 molecule is complex enough that
considering 60 interconnected atoms are able to enter, travel through,
and exit multiple slits simultaneously without releasing energy,
requiring energy, or having a change in momentum requires a leap of
faith. It is conceptually much easier to understand the C-60 molecule
creates a displacement wave in the aether and it is the displacement
wave which enters and exits both slits while the C-60 molecule enters
and exits a single slit.
When does a 'particle' become a particle that doesn't require quotes?
Definitely not a photon and probably not an electron but sooner or
later a particle is a standalone entity which does not require quotes
and creates a displacement wave in the aether which enters and exits
both slits while the particle (without quotes) enters and exits a
single slit.
I am proposing an experiment which will demonstrate AD and be evidence
against QM.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
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Light wave collapse is in its oscillation as it then reexpands.
Electron/proton waves collapse in the presence of light. Shine light
at the holes in the Two Slit Experiment and the particles go waveless.
Mitch Raemsch |
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On Oct 31, 2:23 pm, BURT <macromi... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 30, 8:39 pm, mpc755 <mpc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 8:02 pm, BURT <macromi... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 1:30 pm, mpc755 <mpc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 4:23 pm, BURT <macromi... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 1:14 pm, mpc755 <mpc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 4:06 pm, BURT <macromi... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 12:02 pm, mpc755 <mpc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Here is the experiment. It is similar to the image on the right here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experi...
Send a photon through a BBO crystal. Two down converted photons are
created.
Note: It is important to realize at this point, due to conservation of
momentum, the waves associated with each photon are exact opposites.
Send each photon through its own beam splitter. Combine the paths of
one of the beam splitters which the photon traveled through with the
path of the other beam splitter which the photon was reflected by.
For the other two paths have detectors (D1 and D2) just after the beam
splitters.
When one of the photons is detected at either D1 or D2, but not both,
then there is a photon 'particle' and its associated 'bow wave' along
with the aether wave of the detected photon traveling along the
combined paths.
In QM, since one of the photons has already been detected, there
should only be a photon 'particle' and its associated 'bow wave'
traveling along a single path with nothing to interfere with.
If an interference pattern is created, this means the 'bow wave' of a
photon interfered with the aether wave of the detected photon which
altered the direction the photon 'particle' was traveling.
Even with the nonsense of QM, once one of the particles is detected I
do not see how QM could interpret the results other than the photon
'particle' and its 'bow wave' is interfering with 'something else'.
Proton wave inteference tested in the Two Slit Experiment
Mitch Raemsch
The experiment I am proposing would consist of two protons and would
be a Four Slit Experiment.
The outside slits would detect one, but not both, of the protons.
The proton which exits an inner slit and its associated 'bow wave'
would interact with the aether wave of the detected proton.
Is this what you are referring to? If so, please provide links.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
It is enteresting that the aether of vibration is the quantum wave.
Interferece is a manifestion of the wave that causes quantum
vibration. The atom shakes and its part shake in a second way.
Vibrating of the already vibrating. Atom and part. Double vibration.
One inside the other in the aether.
Mitch Raemsch
The experiment I am proposing has to do with the aether wave which
exists after the photon which created the aether wave is detected. In
QM, the wave function will collapse and no longer exist after the
photon is detected.
Yes. The electron wave function collapses because of the presence of
light in its field. Light at the Two Slit experiment collapses the
quantum wave as it passes over it. There is No Observer Created
Reality. Instead you can imagine light itself as creating the wave
function collapse phenomenon. This is worth a Nobel Prize. Protons
collapse as well when put into that experiment/aether.
Mitch Raemsch
Correct, there is no Observer created reality. The photon when
detected does physically collapse, but it is important to realize when
a photon interacts with the slits in the double slit experiment there
is an aether wave traveling through both slits, one of which contains
a photon which is capable of collapsing and being detected as a
particle. I'm not so sure about protons. I think protons do not
collapse. I think protons always exist as a particle and the
displacement wave enters and exits both slits while the proton always
enters and exits a single slit. This is why I always refer to the C-60
molecule in the double slit experiment. There have been experiments
where the C-60 molecule has created interference patterns in the
double slit experiment. I think a C-60 molecule is complex enough that
considering 60 interconnected atoms are able to enter, travel through,
and exit multiple slits simultaneously without releasing energy,
requiring energy, or having a change in momentum requires a leap of
faith. It is conceptually much easier to understand the C-60 molecule
creates a displacement wave in the aether and it is the displacement
wave which enters and exits both slits while the C-60 molecule enters
and exits a single slit.
When does a 'particle' become a particle that doesn't require quotes?
Definitely not a photon and probably not an electron but sooner or
later a particle is a standalone entity which does not require quotes
and creates a displacement wave in the aether which enters and exits
both slits while the particle (without quotes) enters and exits a
single slit.
I am proposing an experiment which will demonstrate AD and be evidence
against QM.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Light wave collapse is in its oscillation as it then reexpands.
Electron/proton waves collapse in the presence of light. Shine light
at the holes in the Two Slit Experiment and the particles go waveless.
Mitch Raemsch
[/quote]
Sounds like the light waves are destroying the coherence of the
electron/proton waves (i.e. decoherence). This is the same things as
placing detectors at the exits to the slits and there not being an
interference pattern. The act of detecting the particle causes the
displacement wave to be turned into chop.
That is what decoherence is, the destruction of the coherence of the
displacement wave. In a boat in water analogy, it is the same thing as
placing buoys at the exits to the slits the boat goes through in order
to detect the boat and turning the bow wave of the boat, which is
exiting both slits ahead of the boat, into chop. If the boat continues
on to another set of slits, the bow wave the boat is creating in the
water will regain its coherence.
This is what is occurring for the electron/proton. After interacting
with the light waves, the displacement wave the electron/proton is
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On Oct 25, 8:44 am, mpc755 <mpc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]'Ether and the Theory of Relativity by Albert Einstein'http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~history/Extras/Einstein_ether.html
"the state of the [ether] is at every place determined by connections
with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places"
Most everything Maxwell did was based off of the notion of a
'displacement current'. What is displaced by the current? The aether.
If you take Einstein's concept of the state of the aether is at every
place determined by the connections with the matter and the state of
the aether in neighboring places and Maxwell's concept of a
displacement current, you have Aether Displacement.
The aether is displaced by the objects which exist in it.
And there is plenty of evidence of the aether.
Any double slit experiment is evidence of the aether.
If you perform the double slit experiment with a particle and you
place detectors at the entrances or the exits to the slits, the
particle is always detected entering or exiting a single slit. The
reason for this, in Aether Displacement, is due to the fact the
particle ALWAYS enters and exits a single slit and the displacement
wave it creates in the aether enters and exits both. To say the
particle enters and exits both slits when you do not look for it is
not supported by the experimental evidence.
The act of detecting the particle causes the aether displacement wave
to be turned into chop and there is no interference. No detectors and
the aether displacement wave exits both slits, creating interference
which alters the direction the particle travels.
In Aether Displacement, the definition of a particle is a standalone
entity which travels a single path in the double slit experiment and
the definition of a wave is a displacement in the aether which travels
available paths.
The photon 'particle' travels a single path, but the photon aether
wave travels available paths. 'Particle' is in quotes because a photon
may be a disturbance in the aether where its ability to collapse and
be detected as a particle travels a single path but the disturbance in
the aether is still a wave which travels available paths.
'Delayed choice quantum eraser'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delayed_choice_quantum_eraser#The_experi...
If you look at the image to the right you will see both red and blue
lines together before detectors D1 and D2. Since the photon aether
displacement wave is traveling available paths, the photon aether
displacement wave is traveling both the red and blue paths creating
interference which alters the direction the photon 'particle' travels.
With Aether Displacement, nothing is erased, nothing is delayed. The
aether displacement wave travels available paths and the particle
travels a single path. In Aether Displacement, when anything is ever
'erased' in these types of experiments, all that is occurring is the
available paths are being combined which allows the aether
displacement waves to physically travel the available paths creating
interference which alters the direction the particle travels.
Double slit, quantum eraser, and delayed choice experiments are
evidence of aether.
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What is the difference between a boat and water and a C-60 molecule
and aether in a double slit experiment?
There are no atoms on the other side of the slits when the experiment
is performed with C-60 molecules and aether. |
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