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| Stormin Mormon... |
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VERY severely edited. And some snarky
comments dropped in for good measure.
Read full article at link.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091024/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_swine_flu
http://tinyurl.com/yl6qekx
President Barack Obama declared the flu
outbreak a national emergency, giving his health
chief the power to let hospitals move emergency
rooms offsite to speed treatment and protect
noninfected patients.
(Like some unelected bureaucrat in Washingmachine
DC knows how to run emergency rooms, and
doctors don't.)
The declaration, signed Friday night, comes with the
disease more prevalent than ever and production
delays of the vaccine.
Health authorities say more than 1,000 people in
the United States, including almost 100 children,
have died from the strain of flu known as H1N1,
and 46 states have widespread flu activity.
Administration officials said the declaration was
a pre-emptive move designed to make decisions
easier when they need to be made. Officials said
the move was not in response to any single
development.
(Besides, we wanted the power anyhow.)
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen
Sebelius now has authority to bypass federal
rules when opening alternative care sites, such
as offsite hospital centers at schools or community
centers if hospitals seek permission.
(Oh, yeah, now we're above the law.)
Some hospitals have opened drive-thrus and drive-up
tent clinics to screen and treat swine flu patients. The
idea is to keep infectious people out of regular
emergency rooms and away from other sick patients.
(Did they have federal permission? Got to get
permission before making any decisions!)
Hospitals could modify patient rules - for example,
requiring them to give less information during a
hectic time - to quicken access to treatment, with
government approval, under the declaration.
(That's more like it. Have the government workers
make decisions for your doctors. Like in countries
with socialized medicine.)
It also addresses a financial question for hospitals -
reimbursement for treating people at sites not
typically approved. For instance, federal rules do
not allow hospitals to put up treatment tents more
than 250 yards away from the doors; if the tents
are 300 yards or more away, typically federal
dollars won't go to pay for treatment.
Administration officials said those rules might
not make sense while fighting the swine flu,
especially if the best piece of pavement is in
the middle of a parking lot and some medical
centers already are putting in place parts of
their emergency plans.
The national emergency declaration was the
second of two steps needed to give Sebelius
extraordinary powers during a crisis.
(That's how Hitler came to power. Extra power
in time of crisis.)
On April 26, the administration declared swine
flu a public health emergency, allowing the
shipment of roughly 12 million doses of flu-fighting
medications from a federal stockpile to states
in case they eventually needed them. At the time,
there were 20 confirmed cases in the U.S. of
people recovering easily. There was no vaccine
against swine flu, but the CDC had taken the
initial step necessary for producing one.
"As a nation, we have prepared at all levels of
government, and as individuals and communities,
taking unprecedented steps to counter the
emerging pandemic," Obama wrote in Saturday's
declaration.
He said the pandemic keeps evolving, the rates of
illness are rising rapidly in many areas and there's
a potential "to overburden health care resources."
"Many millions" of Americans have had swine flu
so far, according to an estimate that CDC Director
Dr. Thomas Frieden gave Friday. The government
doesn't test everyone to confirm swine flu so it
doesn't have an exact count. He also said there
have been more than 20,000 hospitalizations.
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On the Net:
CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/update.htm
Government's flu site: http://www.flu.gov/
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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| vaughn... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:56 am |
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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock## at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[quote]
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091024/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_swine_flu
http://tinyurl.com/yl6qekx
President Barack Obama declared the flu
outbreak a national emergency,
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Your point?
I don't know about yours, but my health department is doing a crappy job.
Because of that, there is a significant chance of unnecessary deaths. Obama
has not yet been put in charge of local health departments.
Vaughn
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| Steven Bornfeld... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:09 am |
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
[quote]VERY severely edited. And some snarky
comments dropped in for good measure.
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You can take the threat of disaster seriously, or you can have a
response like Katrina.
I hope we can all make snarky comments when this is over.
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| Stormin Mormon... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:23 pm |
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I hope "taking it seriously" doesn't mean a major loss of
freedoms.
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Christopher A. Young
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"Steven Bornfeld" <dentaltwinmung at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote in
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
[quote]VERY severely edited. And some snarky
comments dropped in for good measure.
[/quote]
You can take the threat of disaster seriously, or you can
have a
response like Katrina.
I hope we can all make snarky comments when this is over.
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| vaughn... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:39 pm |
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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock## at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[quote]I hope "taking it seriously" doesn't mean a major loss of
freedoms.
[/quote]
I believe that you are an advocate of the political party that brought us
the so called "Patriot Act"?? The same political party that changed the law
so that we can't go abroad without first obtaining a government-issued
document?? The same political party whose administration illegally spied on
its citizens?? ...and imprisoned citizens for years without charges or
trials??
....and then you have the temerity to somehow connect the current party's
attempts to contain a flu outbreak with "loss of freedoms"? Kind of
one-sided thinking ain't it?
Sorry about the political rant, but getting back to teeth (or at least
public health) the government actually has wide authority when it comes to
public health, but has been very shy about using it in recent generations,
so we tend to forget. The AIDS epidemic could have been contained by
isolating a relatively few citizens, something the government clearly has
the right to do. They choose not to, for reasons that are still beyond me.
As a result, thousands died and $ billions have been spent.
I live less than a mile from the nation's last TB sanitarium. There are
people locked up in there. The government has the power to do that, powers
that go back to English common law. I could go on about public health, but
it would be better if you did some reading. Start here (probably in your
public library) :
http://www.amazon.com/Plagues-Politics-United-States-Service/dp/0465057799
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| Stormin Mormon... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:29 pm |
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Actually, I was horrified by the Unpatriotic act. I'm a
political conservative. Aside from the tea party attendees,
there are very few conservatives left any more. Ronald
Reagan tried his best, he may have been the last one. That
said, much of your post is quite incorrect. Lets hope we
still have dentists after the public option "needs to be
triggered" or some such wording.
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Christopher A. Young
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"vaughn" <vaughnsimonHATESSPAM at (no spam) gmail.FAKE.com> wrote in
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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock## at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote
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[quote]I hope "taking it seriously" doesn't mean a major loss of
freedoms.
[/quote]
I believe that you are an advocate of the political party
that brought us
the so called "Patriot Act"?? The same political party that
changed the law
so that we can't go abroad without first obtaining a
government-issued
document?? The same political party whose administration
illegally spied on
its citizens?? ...and imprisoned citizens for years without
charges or
trials??
....and then you have the temerity to somehow connect the
current party's
attempts to contain a flu outbreak with "loss of freedoms"?
Kind of
one-sided thinking ain't it?
Sorry about the political rant, but getting back to teeth
(or at least
public health) the government actually has wide authority
when it comes to
public health, but has been very shy about using it in
recent generations,
so we tend to forget. The AIDS epidemic could have been
contained by
isolating a relatively few citizens, something the
government clearly has
the right to do. They choose not to, for reasons that are
still beyond me.
As a result, thousands died and $ billions have been spent.
I live less than a mile from the nation's last TB
sanitarium. There are
people locked up in there. The government has the power to
do that, powers
that go back to English common law. I could go on about
public health, but
it would be better if you did some reading. Start here
(probably in your
public library) :
http://www.amazon.com/Plagues-Politics-United-States-Service/dp/0465057799
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| Stormin Mormon... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:29 pm |
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I hope the first ammendment survives this admin, and the
Department of Snarky Comments doesn't lock us all away.
--
Christopher A. Young
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
[quote]VERY severely edited. And some snarky
comments dropped in for good measure.
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You can take the threat of disaster seriously, or you can
have a
response like Katrina.
I hope we can all make snarky comments when this is over.
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| vaughn... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:52 pm |
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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock## at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[quote]Lets hope we
still have dentists after the public option "needs to be
triggered" or some such wording.
[/quote]
Correct me if I am wrong, but the "public option" insurance plan is just as
unlikely to include real dentistry coverage as any other health insurance
plan. I doubt tht it will impact dentistry in any real way.
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| Steven Bornfeld... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 2:30 pm |
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vaughn wrote:
[quote]
Correct me if I am wrong, but the "public option" insurance plan is just as
unlikely to include real dentistry coverage as any other health insurance
plan. I doubt tht it will impact dentistry in any real way.
Vaughn
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I've heard nothing about any public option mentioning dentistry. Oh,
and not in any private option either. We're pretty low on the totem pole.
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| Dave King... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:51 am |
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On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 16:30:10 -0400, Steven Bornfeld
<bornfeldmung at (no spam) dentaltwins.com> wrote:
[quote]vaughn wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong, but the "public option" insurance plan is just as
unlikely to include real dentistry coverage as any other health insurance
plan. I doubt tht it will impact dentistry in any real way.
Vaughn
I've heard nothing about any public option mentioning dentistry. Oh,
and not in any private option either. We're pretty low on the totem pole.
Steve
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For once that will be a good thing ;)
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| Stormin Mormon... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:33 am |
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Might be the only good thing about the socialist take over.
But, watch. Dental will be next.
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Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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[quote]Lets hope we
still have dentists after the public option "needs to be
triggered" or some such wording.
[/quote]
Correct me if I am wrong, but the "public option" insurance
plan is just as
unlikely to include real dentistry coverage as any other
health insurance
plan. I doubt tht it will impact dentistry in any real way.
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| vaughn... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 4:22 pm |
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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock## at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[quote]Might be the only good thing about the socialist take over.
[/quote]
Obama will no more lead a socialist takeover than Bush led a fascist
takeover.
[quote]But, watch. Dental will be next.
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Unlikely.
Just like too many others of your political persuasion, you seem to argue
against medical reform using misinformation that you make up on the spot.
"Death squads" anyone?
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| Stormin Mormon... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:46 pm |
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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock## at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote
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[quote]Might be the only good thing about the socialist take
over.
[/quote]
Obama will no more lead a socialist takeover than Bush led a
fascist
takeover.
CY: I sure hope you are correct.
[quote]But, watch. Dental will be next.
[/quote]
Unlikely.
Just like too many others of your political persuasion, you
seem to argue
against medical reform using misinformation that you make up
on the spot.
"Death squads" anyone?
CY: As a political conservative, I do try to be as factual
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| vaughn... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:15 pm |
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"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock## at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[quote]
CY: As a political conservative, I do try to be as factual
as possible.
OK, perhaps you would like to tell us what "facts" are behind the following[/quote]
scare mongering statement: " Lets hope we
still have dentists after the public option "needs to be triggered" or some
such wording."
[quote]I've noticed liberals making up stuff, though.
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Oh? Do you suppose it was liberals who made up the "death squads" and other
health care fear mongering we have been subjected to?
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On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:22:09 -0400, "vaughn"
<vaughnsimonHATESSPAM at (no spam) gmail.FAKE.com> wrote:
[quote]
"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock## at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Might be the only good thing about the socialist take over.
Obama will no more lead a socialist takeover than Bush led a fascist
takeover.
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Agreed, because BO is leading a fascist takeover.
[quote]
But, watch. Dental will be next.
Unlikely.
[/quote]
For now, maybe. but the die is set.
[quote]Just like too many others of your political persuasion, you seem to argue
against medical reform using misinformation that you make up on the spot.
"Death squads" anyone?
[/quote]
Checked the consolidated 'pelosi' house bill yet ?
[quote]
Vaughn
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Let's be clear in our definitions sir.
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From: dict.org
3 definitions found for fascism
From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 :
fascism \fasc"ism\ (f[a^]sh"[i^]z'm) n.
1. a political theory advocating an authoritarian
hierarchical government; -- opposed to democracy and
liberalism.
[WordNet 1.5]
2. an authoritarian system of government under absolute
control of a single dictator, allowing no political
opposition, forcibly suppressing dissent, and rigidly
controlling most industrial and economic activities. Such
regimes usually try to achieve popularity by a strongly
nationalistic appeal, often mixed with racism.
[PJC]
3. Specifically, the Fascist movement led by Benito Mussolini
in Italy from 1922 to 1943.
[PJC]
4. broadly, a tendency toward or support of a strongly
authoritarian or dictatorial control of government or
other organizations; -- often used pejoratively in this
sense.
[PJC]
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From Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
Fascism, pronounced /'fæ??z?m/, is an extremist political ideology
that seeks to combine radical and authoritarian
nationalism[1][2][3][4] with a corporatist economic system,[5] and
which is usually considered to be on the far right of the traditional
left-right political spectrum.[6][7][8][9][10] Fascists believe that
nations and/or races are in perpetual conflict whereby only the strong
can survive by being healthy, vital, and by asserting themselves in
conflict against the weak.[11]
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Basically the definition of Fascism is the government control of
private enterprise. Yet I disagree with the 'far right' nomination in
the above definition.
Furthermore, let's truly explore the definition of national
socialism:
1 definition found for nazi
From WordNet (r) 2.0 :
Nazi
adj 1: relating to or consistent with or typical of the
ideology
and practice of Nazism or the Nazis; "the total Nazi
crime"; "the Nazi interpretation of history"
2: relating to a form of socialism; "the national socialist
party came to power in 1933" [syn: national socialist]
n : a German member of Adolf Hitler's political party [syn:
German
Nazi]
2 definitions found for nazism
From WordNet (r) 2.0 :
Nazism
n : a form of socialism featuring racism and expansionism [syn:
Naziism, national socialism]
From Moby Thesaurus II by Grady Ward, 1.0 :
22 Moby Thesaurus words for "Nazism":
centralism, collectivism, communism, constitutionalism,
democratism, fascism, federalism, feudalism, feudality,
governmentalism, imperialism, monarchism, national socialism,
neofascism, parliamentarianism, parliamentarism, pluralism,
political principles, republicanism, royalism, socialism,
statism
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If you got this far, thanks for reading. Now to my points.
On the above cited definitions, are you willing to enter into a civil
debate?
Citing facts, ignoring conjecture, without regurgitating mass media
fallacies, leftist spin, unsubstantiated statistics, and downright
lies ?
I challenge your assertations gentlemen !
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