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| Henry Wilson DSc... |
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:59:43 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1 at (no spam) mchsi.com> wrote:
[quote]Henry Wilson DSc wrote:
What are the required conditions for spinning matter to condense into a HOLLOW
ball rather than a solid one?
Perhaps you could tell us how you think neutron starts come
to exist in the first place, Henry!
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Gravity.
It condensed lots of matter into a spinning ball...then a bloody big explosion
in the middle blew out an enormous spherical cavity. It wasn't enough to blow
the star completely apart though.
Henry Wilson...www.scisite.info/index.htm
Einstein...World's greatest SciFi writer.. |
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| Henry Wilson DSc... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:40 pm |
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:42:19 -0800 (PST), amorgan at (no spam) xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan
Morgan) wrote:
[quote]In article <hjs4f59q488hgvv24or6ae8dc9olucp2e9 at (no spam) 4ax.com>,
Henry Wilson DSc <H at (no spam) ..> wrote:
On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 15:26:53 -0800 (PST), amorgan at (no spam) xenon.Stanford.EDU (Alan
Morgan) wrote:
In article <9rv3f5pd5ap964d4g4mh0hleiq9o3ok7bg at (no spam) 4ax.com>,
Henry Wilson DSc <H at (no spam) ..> wrote:
That's right. One must consider the strength of the shell.
Tennis balls are quite stable, spinning or not.
Why not neutron stars?
Gravity. We've been over this.
There's no gravity inside a honogeneous shell, dopey. It could easily be
hollow.
I never claimed there was. There is, however, a force that exerts on
the shell itself. Make the shell sufficiently large/dense and it will
collapse in on itself.
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I know
....so make it out of stronger stuff.
[quote]Alan
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Henry Wilson...www.scisite.info/index.htm
Einstein...World's greatest SciFi writer.. |
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| Henry Wilson DSc... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:41 pm |
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 03:55:51 -0500, "Darla" <darlapere at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
[quote]"Henry Wilson DSc ." <HW at (no spam) ..> wrote in message
news:eh05f5tu7vk99tatkkciarvchf3c9t56tu at (no spam) 4ax.com...
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:12:15 -0500, "Darla" <darlapere at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
"BradGuth" <bradguth at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 3, 1:17 pm, "Darla" <darlap... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
"Double-A" <double... at (no spam) hush.com> wrote in message
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On Oct 30, 12:30 pm, BradGuth <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 30, 9:07 am, "Nightcrawler" <Dirtyde... at (no spam) dirtcheap.net> wrote:
"BradGuth" <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in
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On Oct 29, 7:10 pm, _ at (no spam) Jeff_Relf.Seattle.inValid wrote:
BradˇGuth's "hollow earth" theory is insane. Pressure accrues.
Imagine the pressure you'd feel at the bottom of the Mariana
Trench.
The center of earth is like that but, instead of water,
you have zettaˇtons of blazingˇhot steel pressing down on you.
It's just a theory, although hollow is relative.
Hollow is defined, not relative.
How about a reduced pressure and/or lower density interior?
The pressure at the center is created through compression, not
gravitational attraction AT THE CORE, rather the matter trying to
get
TO/THRU the core via the resultant vector created by ALL of the
matter
of the earth, not just at the core.
However, do to this compression the matter at the core will have a
higher specific density, thus a bit more gravity than the same
material
would have without a large mass trying to press through equally from
all sides.
That's really odd, because in deep underground caves or mine shafts,
other than the expected atmospheric pressure increase that's obvious
and somewhat minor (<42% increase per 3.5 km depth unless you plan on
artificially cooling that column of air in order to get a 100%
increase per 3.5 km), there's hardly any other significant geology
pressures for our physiology to contend with, including while swimming
or scuba diving in those deep underground lakes or aquifers, and
there's certainly not any big increase in gravity (if anything it only
measurably increases ever so slightly), and there's certainly no
objective way of telling if the inner core is merely that of a dense
shell that's hollow inside, or not.
http://nopr.niscair.res.in/bitstream/123456789/2506/1/IJRSP%2037(1)%2...
The fact that gravity increases measurably in deep caves/mines tells
you that the interior of the Earth is denser than the rock above you.
Otherwise gravity would have already begun to decrease.
Double-A
My dearest Double-A!
The centerline gravity Has begun to decrease.
It's the downward semi-lateral crust density that increases a bit more
quickly than that centerline decrease that causes the increase in net
gravitational force as one goes deeper into the crust.
For a time.
Measuring devices used so far have no way of distinguishing the
semi-lateral
forces from the centerline force, so they measure the net force as
having
increased.
There is, of course, a semi-lateral force at the surface which, if
separated
from the centerline force, would be found to be at minimum, and it
increases
quickly as spelunkers and divers explore to deeper levels.
At a glance, it may seem that the semi-lateral forces cancel.
That is only true if they are 180 degrees out of phase.
There are infinite directions of pull that are less than 180 degrees out
of
phase.
The downward semi-laterals do eventually get cancelled more and more by
the
upward forces.
One must go extremely deep before the net decrease would begin to
establish
itself.
What you call "gravity" must be the greatest fun for all of you!
You must try to imagine the real vectorial forces upon you and shy away
from
Newton's centerline-only gravitational image.
Such an imagication is quite limiting.
The sky is a "limit", and it stretches out in infinite directions.
So why not the ground also?
Is the Earth not infinite vectorisations within a finite boundary?
--
Darla
That's certainly a whole lot better way of saying it, though still
complex and as you say, it's not going to be limited to all that
Newtonian centerline-only gravitational stuff as we travel inward
(below the crust). It must be nearly as complex and/or downright
interesting for that of our Selene/moon interior, that's no longer
fluid under that extremely thick and substantially mineral saturated
crust, other than encountering a few layers or geode pockets of
mineral brines.
What's at the residual hot core of our Selene/moon?
What's the approximate age of our moon?
~ BG
It's not as complex or complicated as one may think, Brad.
A vector analysis only seems complex.
In this age of computerized analysis and finding websites designed to
analyze vectorial "What ifs", it is much easier now to go after the info
one
seeks.
And yet I would bet my left tortogal that nobody has gone beyond the
Newtonian center-focus yet, at least not enough to convince themselves
that
there is something worth publishing.
There are things in the Moon's core that are similar to the elements of
Earth's core.
Your science will know soon enough.
This also applies to the Moon's age.
It is as old as the Earth.
The moon is hollow. A nuclear explosion caused a bloody great cavity.
Henry Wilson...www.scisite.info/index.htm
Einstein...World's greatest SciFi writer..
The Moon has many hollow areas within it just as Earth has.
Yes, there were many explosions back "in the day".
The main thing that affected the Moon's interior was its close proximity to
a very large mass.
Your website is very hard to read.
The background shouts while the textual additions whisper.
And we make it a policy not to download exec files.
[/quote]
You are the loser. my programs are harmless. I wrote them.
[quote]You could do so much better, Henry Wilson!
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Henry Wilson...www.scisite.info/index.htm
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| Sam Wormley... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 2:45 pm |
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Henry Wilson DSc wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:59:43 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1 at (no spam) mchsi.com> wrote:
Henry Wilson DSc wrote:
What are the required conditions for spinning matter to condense into a HOLLOW
ball rather than a solid one?
Perhaps you could tell us how you think neutron starts come
to exist in the first place, Henry!
Gravity.
It condensed lots of matter into a spinning ball...then a bloody big explosion
in the middle blew out an enormous spherical cavity. It wasn't enough to blow
the star completely apart though.
[/quote]
Bzzzt!
Henry, Henri--implosion not explosion!
Do some self-education, Henri! |
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| Saul Levy... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:16 pm |
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What the FUCK'S a tortogal? lmfjao!
You're making this SHIT UP!
Saul Levy
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 02:12:15 -0500, "Darla" <darlapere at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
[quote]It's not as complex or complicated as one may think, Brad.
A vector analysis only seems complex.
In this age of computerized analysis and finding websites designed to
analyze vectorial "What ifs", it is much easier now to go after the info one
seeks.
And yet I would bet my left tortogal that nobody has gone beyond the
Newtonian center-focus yet, at least not enough to convince themselves that
there is something worth publishing.
There are things in the Moon's core that are similar to the elements of
Earth's core.
Your science will know soon enough.
This also applies to the Moon's age.
It is as old as the Earth.[/quote] |
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| Saul Levy... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:24 pm |
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Take the INTERNET FOR DUMMIES COURSE! lmfjao!
Saul Levy
On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 03:55:51 -0500, "Darla" <darlapere at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
[quote]The Moon has many hollow areas within it just as Earth has.
Yes, there were many explosions back "in the day".
The main thing that affected the Moon's interior was its close proximity to
a very large mass.
Your website is very hard to read.
The background shouts while the textual additions whisper.
And we make it a policy not to download exec files.
You could do so much better, Henry Wilson![/quote] |
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| Nightcrawler... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:25 pm |
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A testicle clamp?
"Saul Levy" <saullevy1 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote in message news:m3g6f55kqcp26ccepfjkjg371drgonvn5p at (no spam) 4ax.com...
[quote]What the FUCK'S a tortogal? lmfjao!
You're making this SHIT UP!
Saul Levy[/quote] |
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| Androcles... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:48 pm |
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"Henry Wilson DSc ." <HW at (no spam) ..> wrote in message
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[quote]On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:17:42 -0000, "Androcles"
Headmaster at (no spam) Hogwarts.physics_p
wrote:
"Henry Wilson DSc ." <HW at (no spam) ..> wrote in message
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On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:12:58 -0000, "Androcles"
Headmaster at (no spam) Hogwarts.physics_p
The trouble is that researching them is next to impossible. Black holes
are
by definition invisible and there's no scientific theory able to explain
them. Despite these obvious obstacles, Horizon meets the astronomers
attempting to image a black hole for the very first time and the
theoretical
physicists getting ever closer to unlocking their mysteries. It's a
story
that takes us into the heart of a black hole and to the very edge of
what
we
think we know about the universe.
A black hole is just a big neutron star or similar. where's the
problem?.
In Oz. Anything it doesn't understand it invents a quick solution to,
according to its faulty intuition. It's called a "Wilson".
Prove I'm wrong then.
The fuckwit's fallacy: "Prove I'm wrong"...[/quote]
Burden of proof is upon the claimant.
Bright green flying elephants lay their eggs in black holes.
Prove I'm wrong then.
The Easter Bunny lays chocolate eggs.
Prove I'm wrong then.
The Tooth Fairy buys children's milk teeth.
Prove I'm wrong then.
Time dilates as speed increases.
Prove Einstein wrong then.
Where's the problem?
The problem is in Oz, it's called an illogical Wilson. |
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| Darla... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:48 pm |
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"Saul Levy" <saullevy1 at (no spam) cox.net> wrote in message
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[quote]What the FUCK'S a tortogal? lmfjao!
You're making this SHIT UP!
Saul Levy
[/quote]
Of course, Saul!
We must be making this shit up from your perspective.
Our tortogals are the sean equivalent of your testicles.
Ours do not protrude dangerously, which makes ours the better "design".
And all seans have them.
Haven't we already covered this years ago?
I suppose I may have left their nomenclature to human imagination.
They are ovally shaped and are the source of our ejaculations.
If this is TMI for anybody, then please forgive.
I'm almost certain that Saul is intelligent enough to have already perceived
all this, but... one never really knows, does one?
Good one, Saul! <G>
You "got" me.
--
**** Darla of sci.electromagnetics
Be well and come, be welcome.
You are the fifth star! |
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| Henry Wilson DSc... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:48 pm |
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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:45:54 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1 at (no spam) mchsi.com> wrote:
[quote]Henry Wilson DSc wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:59:43 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1 at (no spam) mchsi.com> wrote:
Henry Wilson DSc wrote:
What are the required conditions for spinning matter to condense into a HOLLOW
ball rather than a solid one?
Perhaps you could tell us how you think neutron starts come
to exist in the first place, Henry!
Gravity.
It condensed lots of matter into a spinning ball...then a bloody big explosion
in the middle blew out an enormous spherical cavity. It wasn't enough to blow
the star completely apart though.
Bzzzt!
Henry, Henri--implosion not explosion!
Do some self-education, Henri!
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Wormey, as usual you are confused. This is what I am suggesting could happen.
The thing first condensed into a ball. Then, under intense gravitational
pressure, the conditions in the cente became such that a mini nuclear fusion
explosion occured, expanding and fusing the outside shell into a very strong
structure. So it became a hollow ball, still attracting more external matter.
There are plenty of stable hollow balls around Wormey. Have a look in any
shop..
Henry Wilson...www.scisite.info/index.htm
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| Androcles... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:51 pm |
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"Henry Wilson DSc ." <HW at (no spam) ..> wrote in message
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[quote]On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:59:43 GMT, Sam Wormley <swormley1 at (no spam) mchsi.com> wrote:
Henry Wilson DSc wrote:
What are the required conditions for spinning matter to condense into a
HOLLOW
ball rather than a solid one?
Perhaps you could tell us how you think neutron starts come
to exist in the first place, Henry!
Gravity.
It condensed lots of matter into a spinning ball...then a bloody big
explosion
in the middle blew out an enormous spherical cavity. It wasn't enough to
blow
the star completely apart though.
Then the inside is padded and called a cell, the ideal habitat for a Wilson.[/quote] |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:43 pm |
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"Henry Wilson DSc." <HW at (no spam) ..> wrote in message news:6ph6f55f1irodr6qi2qgvtll6ndoarinll at (no spam) 4ax.com...
[quote]Wormey, as usual you are confused. This is what I am suggesting could happen.
The thing first condensed into a ball. Then, under intense gravitational
pressure, the conditions in the cente became such that a mini nuclear fusion
explosion occured, expanding and fusing the outside shell into a very strong
structure. So it became a hollow ball, still attracting more external matter.
There are plenty of stable hollow balls around Wormey. Have a look in any
shop..
[/quote]
You sure as hell don't have a clue about scale, do you? Ever wonder why
a Godzilla couldn't walk, let alone breath? |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:24 pm |
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Henry Wilson DSc wrote:
[quote]
The thing first condensed into a ball. Then, under intense gravitational
pressure, the conditions in the cente became such that a mini nuclear fusion
explosion occured, expanding and fusing the outside shell into a very strong
structure. So it became a hollow ball, still attracting more external matter.
[/quote]
Here's the scoop, Wilson... gas (mostly hydrogen) does collapse to form stars
and fused hydrogen into helium while on the main sequence. Massive enough
stars can have other fusion process than can result in some iron core*
implosions. The iron core can never undergo a fission or fusion reaction.
*for main sequence stars that have at least ten solar masses.
Fusion of the iron core just can't happen! It's a dead end.
Gravitation is so strong that the cores collapse forming
o white dwarf held up against further collapse by electron degeneracy pressure,
o neutron stars held up against further collapse by neutron degeneracy pressure,
o or not held up at all and collapse within the core's Schwarzschild radius.
In any of these cases, gravity is a big winner and leaves no place for a void.
I can go into a lot more detail if you like. |
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| Nightcrawler... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:56 pm |
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"Sam Wormley" <swormley1 at (no spam) mchsi.com> wrote in message news:c9JIm.122779$la3.64726 at (no spam) attbi_s22...
[quote]Here's the scoop, Wilson... gas (mostly hydrogen) does collapse to form stars
and fused hydrogen into helium while on the main sequence. Massive enough
stars can have other fusion process than can result in some iron core*
implosions. The iron core can never undergo a fission or fusion reaction.
*for main sequence stars that have at least ten solar masses.
Fusion of the iron core just can't happen! It's a dead end.
Gravitation is so strong that the cores collapse forming
o white dwarf held up against further collapse by electron degeneracy pressure,
o neutron stars held up against further collapse by neutron degeneracy pressure,
o or not held up at all and collapse within the core's Schwarzschild radius.
In any of these cases, gravity is a big winner and leaves no place for a void.
I can go into a lot more detail if you like.
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That still doesn't explain the empty region between Wilson's and Guthball's
ears. |
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| Sam Wormley... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:15 pm |
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Nightcrawler wrote:
[quote]"Sam Wormley" <swormley1 at (no spam) mchsi.com> wrote in message news:c9JIm.122779$la3.64726 at (no spam) attbi_s22...
Here's the scoop, Wilson... gas (mostly hydrogen) does collapse to form stars
and fused hydrogen into helium while on the main sequence. Massive enough
stars can have other fusion process than can result in some iron core*
implosions. The iron core can never undergo a fission or fusion reaction.
*for main sequence stars that have at least ten solar masses.
Fusion of the iron core just can't happen! It's a dead end.
Gravitation is so strong that the cores collapse forming
o white dwarf held up against further collapse by electron degeneracy pressure,
o neutron stars held up against further collapse by neutron degeneracy pressure,
o or not held up at all and collapse within the core's Schwarzschild radius.
In any of these cases, gravity is a big winner and leaves no place for a void.
I can go into a lot more detail if you like.
That still doesn't explain the empty region between Wilson's and Guthball's
ears.
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That's just backed-up farts! |
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