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| Michael A. Terrell... |
 Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:12 am |
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amdx wrote:
[quote]
Don't worry the Florida government will prevent anyone with a profit
motive from bringing food, ice, generators, flashlights, batteries or any
other items you would be in need off. It's Price gouging!
http://www.800helpfla.com/price_gouging.html
Let's say I'm in Northern Alabama, I run to my local generator dealer and
load 10 $600 generators in the truck and go to Florida, I sell them to
people for $900.
The buyers are happy until the state tells them they got gouged. They
complain now I'm liable for $1000 fine per generator.
[/quote]
It was wore than that. The cheap $300 Chinese crap that run about
two weeks before it's output dies, or the engine seizes were sold for
$1,200 to $2,000 around here. FEMA did deliver ice & bottle water by
the tractor trailer load. They also brought in loads of MREs, and the
Red Cross brought in some hot meals but those do no good until you can
leave your home or neighborhood. We had huge trees down and laying
across the only road out of here. The county told us were were low
priority, and it would be two or three weeks before they got to us. So,
a bunch of senior citizens and disabled were out there in the rain with
chain saws cutting our way out of here. There were piles of wood along
most of the road by the time we finished. Then FEMA contractors finally
showed up to haul it off. The lazy bastards would drop the bucket on
their front end loader on a pile and drag it down the street, to their
dump truck. In the process they destroyed most of the asphalt on owner
maintained streets. Then we found out that they weren't 'responsible'.
If the people selling things sold it at their regular price, then
itemized the additional delivery costs it would have been another story.
Also, none of them had a tax number so the state didn't get their 6.5%.
Some of the 'dealers' brought opened boxes with defective merchandise,
then hightailed it out of the area before people could find gasoline to
find out they were defective. It didn't take them long to get rid of a
dozen or two in a half hour.
Some gas stations tripled the price of their remaining inventory, and
pumped until the tanks were dry. A lot of cars and generators were
damaged by contaminated fuel.
[quote]Forget it! Most of them are transplanted yankees anyway.
I'm from the government and I'm here to help you. (NOT)
Mike
PS. (a transplanted yankee)
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| Stormin Mormon... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:20 am |
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I'm a believer in the free market. Don't want a $2,000
generator? That's fine. Just don't buy it. But, price caps
prevent people from moving to fill the demand.
I do believe in honesty in sales -- if it's a defective
reject, it should be accurately described and labelled.
Same with gasoline. Don't like $6 a galon? Buy some where
else.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote in
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amdx wrote:
[quote]
Don't worry the Florida government will prevent anyone
with a profit
motive from bringing food, ice, generators, flashlights,
batteries or any
other items you would be in need off. It's Price
gouging!
http://www.800helpfla.com/price_gouging.html
Let's say I'm in Northern Alabama, I run to my local
generator dealer and
load 10 $600 generators in the truck and go to Florida, I
sell them to
people for $900.
The buyers are happy until the state tells them they got
gouged. They
complain now I'm liable for $1000 fine per generator.
[/quote]
It was wore than that. The cheap $300 Chinese crap that
run about
two weeks before it's output dies, or the engine seizes were
sold for
$1,200 to $2,000 around here. FEMA did deliver ice & bottle
water by
the tractor trailer load. They also brought in loads of
MREs, and the
Red Cross brought in some hot meals but those do no good
until you can
leave your home or neighborhood. We had huge trees down and
laying
across the only road out of here. The county told us were
were low
priority, and it would be two or three weeks before they got
to us. So,
a bunch of senior citizens and disabled were out there in
the rain with
chain saws cutting our way out of here. There were piles of
wood along
most of the road by the time we finished. Then FEMA
contractors finally
showed up to haul it off. The lazy bastards would drop the
bucket on
their front end loader on a pile and drag it down the
street, to their
dump truck. In the process they destroyed most of the
asphalt on owner
maintained streets. Then we found out that they weren't
'responsible'.
If the people selling things sold it at their regular
price, then
itemized the additional delivery costs it would have been
another story.
Also, none of them had a tax number so the state didn't get
their 6.5%.
Some of the 'dealers' brought opened boxes with defective
merchandise,
then hightailed it out of the area before people could find
gasoline to
find out they were defective. It didn't take them long to
get rid of a
dozen or two in a half hour.
Some gas stations tripled the price of their remaining
inventory, and
pumped until the tanks were dry. A lot of cars and
generators were
damaged by contaminated fuel. |
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| goarilla... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:51 pm |
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On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:45:31 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
[quote]Richard Heathfield wrote:
In <qJWdnRlBv50gFH_XnZ2dnUVZ_tli4p2d at (no spam) earthlink.com>, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:
Richard Heathfield wrote:
In <qJWdnR5Bv513Gn_XnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d at (no spam) earthlink.com>, Michael A.
Terrell wrote:
Richard Heathfield wrote:
In <E7idnR8QDPtfkX_XnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d at (no spam) earthlink.com>, Michael A.
Terrell wrote:
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Hurricane victims in Florida like it too. That is, if they
remembered to stock up, first.
The whole thing about spam is that you don't /need/ to stock up
on it.
(Especially, as it turns out, in Florida.)
How many hurricanes have you sat through,
Dozens, I expect. How many Usenet articles have you completely
misinterpreted?
How many times have you considered yourself clever when you
aren't?
Six times, altogether. (That whole 1976 fiasco doesn't count,
obviously.) How many times have you managed to turn a light-hearted
remark into a mud-wrestling match?
None. I've never mud wrestled, and I certainly won't do it with any
man. Apparently you've never been so sick that you could barely stand,
and had to walk five miles to get groceries. A normal 15 minute walk
took three hours, each way. I had spent five full days unconscious with
a bad case of the flu and had lost over 20 pounds in five days. laugh
all you want, and continue to think you're smart but you have no clue.
[/quote]
are you claiming you can _walk_ 5 miles in
15 minutes ? |
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| Gunner Asch... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:38 pm |
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On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 09:05:06 -0700, "Bill Noble"
<nobody at (no spam) nowhere.invalid> wrote:
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"Bill McKee" <bmckeespamnot at (no spam) ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:W_Cdnd64WsOlBX_XnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d at (no spam) earthlink.com...
"amdx" <amdx at (no spam) knology.net> wrote in message
news:eaa58$4ae1f572$d8baf3ed$27248 at (no spam) KNOLOGY.NET...
"Rich Grise" <richgrise at (no spam) example.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2009.10.23.15.26.46.334327 at (no spam) example.net...
If you receive e-mail from the local health department warning you not
to eat canned spiced ham due to the risk of contracting the "swine flu"
virus, ignore it.
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It's just
;-)
Cheers!
Rich
Hi Rich,
I thought it was funny, sure a lot of grump old men lurking today.
Have a great day!
Mike
Sad part is dumb people believe it. Paris Hilton said she did not worry
about swine flu as she did not eat pork. True story.
my impression of Ms Hilton is that she has a public persona - a stupid blond
chick that show a lot of flesh from time to time - but that she is really
pretty smart, and knows exactly what she is doing - I would not be surprised
to discover that she thought carefully about what to say about swine flu
that would be sufficiently "blond" to feed her public - think of it this
way, if she was actually stupid, she wouldn't make (and keep) all the money
she is making - it's not just Conrad's fortune any more.
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Indeed. I agree.
Gunner
"Upon Roosevelt's death in 1945, H. L. Mencken predicted in his diary
that Roosevelt would be remembered as a great president, "maybe even
alongside Washington and Lincoln," opining that Roosevelt "had every
quality that morons esteem in their heroes."" |
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| pyotr filipivich... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:43 pm |
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Let the Record show that Gunner Asch <gunner at (no spam) NOSPAMlightspeed.net> on
or about Sat, 24 Oct 2009 03:51:51 -0700 did write/type or cause to
appear in rec.crafts.metalworking the following:
[quote]On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 04:44:28 +0000, Richard Heathfield
rjh at (no spam) see.sig.invalid> wrote:
In <pan.2009.10.23.20.56.34.262229 at (no spam) example.net>, Rich Grise wrote:
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Monty Python seems to not like [Spam],
I think that's a bit strong. It's just a sketch.
but then again, the Brits eat kidney pie.
Not this one, pal. If it's all the same to you, I'll stick to
chocolate fudge cheesecake, straight from the fridge.
snip
Then there is the British habit of eating Spotted Dick....
What have the Brits come to?
[/quote]
The States. Southern Africa, (but the descendents are leaving
there again.)
[quote]Sigh..no wonder some of my ancestors fled
that country....
[/quote]
We didn't so much 'flee' as 'seek new opportunities" to set things
up Right. For God and The King! (even if the King is mendacious in
his assurances of retributive justice.)
pyotr
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pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough! |
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| Michael A. Terrell... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:44 pm |
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goarilla wrote:
[quote]
On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 07:45:31 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Richard Heathfield wrote:
In <qJWdnRlBv50gFH_XnZ2dnUVZ_tli4p2d at (no spam) earthlink.com>, Michael A. Terrell
wrote:
Richard Heathfield wrote:
In <qJWdnR5Bv513Gn_XnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d at (no spam) earthlink.com>, Michael A.
Terrell wrote:
Richard Heathfield wrote:
In <E7idnR8QDPtfkX_XnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d at (no spam) earthlink.com>, Michael A.
Terrell wrote:
snip
Hurricane victims in Florida like it too. That is, if they
remembered to stock up, first.
The whole thing about spam is that you don't /need/ to stock up
on it.
(Especially, as it turns out, in Florida.)
How many hurricanes have you sat through,
Dozens, I expect. How many Usenet articles have you completely
misinterpreted?
How many times have you considered yourself clever when you
aren't?
Six times, altogether. (That whole 1976 fiasco doesn't count,
obviously.) How many times have you managed to turn a light-hearted
remark into a mud-wrestling match?
None. I've never mud wrestled, and I certainly won't do it with any
man. Apparently you've never been so sick that you could barely stand,
and had to walk five miles to get groceries. A normal 15 minute walk
took three hours, each way. I had spent five full days unconscious with
a bad case of the flu and had lost over 20 pounds in five days. laugh
all you want, and continue to think you're smart but you have no clue.
are you claiming you can _walk_ 5 miles in
15 minutes ?
[/quote]
No, I meant to say 15 minutes each way. Rarely did I have to walk the
whole way, so the average was 15 minutes per direction. That day it was
well below zero, and very few cars were on the road.
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| Michael A. Terrell... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:47 pm |
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
[quote]
I'm a believer in the free market. Don't want a $2,000
generator? That's fine. Just don't buy it. But, price caps
prevent people from moving to fill the demand.
[/quote]
Great overpay for all the crap you want. Why should people who don't
know any better get ripped off?
[quote]I do believe in honesty in sales -- if it's a defective
reject, it should be accurately described and labelled.
Same with gasoline. Don't like $6 a galon? Buy some where
else.
[/quote]
Where else would that be? There were only a couple stations in the
area with any gasoline and electicity for their pumps, and it was over
$10 a gallon for their dregs. So much for your 'religion'.
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The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary! |
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| mpm... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:29 pm |
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On Oct 24, 11:07 pm, "Martin H. Eastburn" <lionsl... at (no spam) consolidated.net>
wrote:
[quote]We have to do the same. Keep generators and gasoline
food and supplies and ammo for the guns. A big storm
might fell trees on thousands of sections of power line.
The last three hurricanes (lived through that many Typhoons as well)
were interesting. Rita and IKE that last two were the worst.
Ike ripped trees left and right here - bursting trees 24" in diameter
twisted and snapped the trunks high in the air. I lost a lot of good
tree. Now a lot of it is rotting - since there is to much to get
and it would just rot in the stack. I save and use what I can.
Wish I had a bandsaw saw mill. That would be nice.
Martin
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Richard Heathfield wrote:
In <E7idnR8QDPtfkX_XnZ2dnUVZ_sydn... at (no spam) earthlink.com>, Michael A.
Terrell wrote:
mpm wrote:
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As for SPAM, here's something to consider:
I heard the reason polynesians like the taste is because it tastes
like humans. (Allegedly)
I know some Thai people who like it too.!! I'm just sayin'...
Hurricane victims in Florida like it too. That is, if they
remembered to stock up, first.
The whole thing about spam is that you don't /need/ to stock up on it.
(Especially, as it turns out, in Florida.)
How many hurricanes have you sat through, and weeks after with no
electricity? No stores open, and little food being brought into the
area? Don't keep food on hand, if it's your choice but after several
times of being stuck at home for over a month has taught me to keep
enough canned and dry goods on hand for at least a month. I don't
really care if the idiots starve to death because they are to stupid or
lazy to keep emergency rations.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
[/quote]
Forget the bandsaw. TNT works just as well.
Wouldn't bother to try to pull a permit for it though...
Just light the fuse and run like hell. :)
Here, we had so many storms one year ('05, I think?), by the time the
third one ran over us, there weren't any good trees left standing to
knock over!
Which is weird -- in that, the last one seemed to have much stronger
winds and was definitely a closer strike, but did far less damage
overall.
I guess everything that could be damaged had already been wiped out by
the prior storms.
Well, except for the electricity. That took 3 weeks for the home,
and 2-1/2 weeks for the office.
Unfortunately, a long section of poles feeding our substation /switch
were lost, and those had to be reset before there was any hope of
getting power restored.
Everything leaving that substation is underground (at least it looks
that way). Once it was back up, I think we had power in an hour or
so.
It was "fun" watching the utility guys restore power.
I watch this one team continuously engage a pole breaker (6 or 7
times) to literally burn off a few tree branches that had crossed the
lines.
They'd hit that breaker, and the poles would shake (wooden). Plus a
loud pop.
Hey, no power. Hot as hell out. What else you gonna do but watch the
power company trucks???
The first one just caught the tree on fire. But the last hit did the
job...
The branches flew off the wires and fell in a small fire to the
roadway below.
They waited just long enough to know they weren't about to start the
next Great Chicago Fire and went on the next obstruction in the lines.
Probably not "standard procedure", but I must say it was pretty
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| Martin H. Eastburn... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:07 pm |
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We have to do the same. Keep generators and gasoline
food and supplies and ammo for the guns. A big storm
might fell trees on thousands of sections of power line.
The last three hurricanes (lived through that many Typhoons as well)
were interesting. Rita and IKE that last two were the worst.
Ike ripped trees left and right here - bursting trees 24" in diameter
twisted and snapped the trunks high in the air. I lost a lot of good
tree. Now a lot of it is rotting - since there is to much to get
and it would just rot in the stack. I save and use what I can.
Wish I had a bandsaw saw mill. That would be nice.
Martin
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
[quote]Richard Heathfield wrote:
In <E7idnR8QDPtfkX_XnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d at (no spam) earthlink.com>, Michael A.
Terrell wrote:
mpm wrote:
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As for SPAM, here's something to consider:
I heard the reason polynesians like the taste is because it tastes
like humans. (Allegedly)
I know some Thai people who like it too.!! I'm just sayin'...
Hurricane victims in Florida like it too. That is, if they
remembered to stock up, first.
The whole thing about spam is that you don't /need/ to stock up on it.
(Especially, as it turns out, in Florida.)
How many hurricanes have you sat through, and weeks after with no
electricity? No stores open, and little food being brought into the
area? Don't keep food on hand, if it's your choice but after several
times of being stuck at home for over a month has taught me to keep
enough canned and dry goods on hand for at least a month. I don't
really care if the idiots starve to death because they are to stupid or
lazy to keep emergency rations.
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| Phil Carmody... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:44 am |
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"Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> writes:
[quote]Richard Heathfield wrote:
In <qJWdnRlBv50gFH_XnZ2dnUVZ_tli4p2d at (no spam) earthlink.com>, Michael A.
Terrell wrote:
Richard Heathfield wrote:
In <qJWdnR5Bv513Gn_XnZ2dnUVZ_tmdnZ2d at (no spam) earthlink.com>, Michael A.
Terrell wrote:
Richard Heathfield wrote:
In <E7idnR8QDPtfkX_XnZ2dnUVZ_sydnZ2d at (no spam) earthlink.com>, Michael A.
Terrell wrote:
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Hurricane victims in Florida like it too. That is, if they
remembered to stock up, first.
The whole thing about spam is that you don't /need/ to stock up
on it.
(Especially, as it turns out, in Florida.)
How many hurricanes have you sat through,
Dozens, I expect. How many Usenet articles have you completely
misinterpreted?
How many times have you considered yourself clever when you
aren't?
Six times, altogether. (That whole 1976 fiasco doesn't count,
obviously.) How many times have you managed to turn a light-hearted
remark into a mud-wrestling match?
None. I've never mud wrestled, and I certainly won't do it with any
man. Apparently you've never been so sick that you could barely stand,
and had to walk five miles to get groceries. A normal 15 minute walk
took three hours, each way. I had spent five full days unconscious with
a bad case of the flu and had lost over 20 pounds in five days. laugh
all you want, and continue to think you're smart but you have no clue.
[/quote]
Can we please get this thread back onto the topic of Obama, please?
Phil
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| Helmut Hullen... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:12 am |
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Hallo, Phil,
Du meintest am 25.10.09:
[quote]Can we please get this thread back onto the topic of Obama, please?
[/quote]
And can you please continue this thread only in "on topic" newsgroups?
Thank you!
(ok - maybe there is no fitting newsgroup. But then it's the best
solution not to continue the thread)
Viele Gruesse
Helmut
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| Stormin Mormon... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:05 am |
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VERY severely edited. And some snarky
comments dropped in for good measure.
Read full article at link.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091024/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_obama_swine_flu
http://tinyurl.com/yl6qekx
President Barack Obama declared the swine flu
outbreak a national emergency, giving his health
chief the power to let hospitals move emergency
rooms offsite to speed treatment and protect
noninfected patients.
(Like some unelected bureaucrat in Washingmachine
DC knows how to run emergency rooms, and
doctors don't.)
The declaration, signed Friday night, comes with the
disease more prevalent than ever and production
delays of the vaccine.
Health authorities say more than 1,000 people in
the United States, including almost 100 children,
have died from the strain of flu known as H1N1,
and 46 states have widespread flu activity.
Administration officials said the declaration was
designed to make decisions easier when they
need to be made.
(Besides, we wanted the power anyhow.)
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen
Sebelius now has authority to bypass federal
rules when opening alternative care sites, such
as offsite hospital centers at schools or community
centers if hospitals seek permission.
(Oh, yeah, now we're above the law.)
Some hospitals have opened drive-thrus and drive-up
tent clinics to screen and treat swine flu patients. The
idea is to keep infectious people out of regular
emergency rooms and away from other sick patients.
(Did they have federal permission? Got to get
permission before making any decisions!)
Hospitals could modify patient rules - for example,
requiring them to give less information during a
hectic time - to quicken access to treatment, with
government approval, under the declaration.
(That's more like it. Have the government workers
make decisions for your doctors. Like in countries
with socialized medicine.)
It also addresses a financial question for hospitals -
reimbursement for treating people at sites not
typically approved. For instance, federal rules do
not allow hospitals to put up treatment tents more
than 250 yards away from the doors; if the tents
are 300 yards or more away, typically federal
dollars won't go to pay for treatment.
Administration officials said those rules might
not make sense while fighting the swine flu,
especially if the best piece of pavement is in
the middle of a parking lot and some medical
centers already are putting in place parts of
their emergency plans.
The national emergency declaration was the
second of two steps needed to give Sebelius
extraordinary powers during a crisis.
(That's how Hitler came to power. Extra power
in time of crisis.)
On April 26, the administration declared swine
flu a public health emergency, allowing the
shipment of roughly 12 million doses of flu-fighting
medications from a federal stockpile to states
in case they eventually needed them. At the time,
there were 20 confirmed cases in the U.S. of
people recovering easily. There was no vaccine
against swine flu, but the CDC had taken the
initial step necessary for producing one.
"As a nation, we have prepared at all levels of
government, and as individuals and communities,
taking unprecedented steps to counter the
emerging pandemic," Obama wrote in Saturday's
declaration.
He said the pandemic keeps evolving, the rates of
illness are rising rapidly in many areas and there's
a potential "to overburden health care resources."
"Many millions" of Americans have had swine flu
so far, according to an estimate that CDC Director
Dr. Thomas Frieden gave Friday. The government
doesn't test everyone to confirm swine flu so it
doesn't have an exact count. He also said there
have been more than 20,000 hospitalizations.
___
On the Net:
CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/update.htm
Government's flu site: http://www.flu.gov/
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Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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| UltimatePatriot... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:11 am |
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On 25 Oct 2009 13:12:00 +0100, helmut at (no spam) hullen.de (Helmut Hullen) wrote:
[quote]Hallo, Phil,
Du meintest am 25.10.09:
Can we please get this thread back onto the topic of Obama, please?
And can you please continue this thread only in "on topic" newsgroups?
Thank you!
(ok - maybe there is no fitting newsgroup. But then it's the best
solution not to continue the thread)
Viele Gruesse
Helmut
"Ubuntu" - an African word, meaning "Slackware is too hard for me".
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Hear Here! There, there! |
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| Stormin Mormon... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:37 pm |
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Stormin Mormon wrote:
[quote]
I'm a believer in the free market. Don't want a $2,000
generator? That's fine. Just don't buy it. But, price caps
prevent people from moving to fill the demand.
[/quote]
Great overpay for all the crap you want. Why should people
who don't
know any better get ripped off?
CY: The government is not responsible for education,
even if they think they are.
[quote]I do believe in honesty in sales -- if it's a defective
reject, it should be accurately described and labelled.
Same with gasoline. Don't like $6 a galon? Buy some where
else.
[/quote]
Where else would that be? There were only a couple
stations in the
area with any gasoline and electicity for their pumps, and
it was over
$10 a gallon for their dregs. So much for your 'religion'.
CY: And, if people could sell for a fair market price,
they could afford to put in a backup generator, and
sell after the storm. So much for your price fixing,
which prevents people from meeting the demand.
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http://www.republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/News/DocumentPrint.aspx?DocumentID=150826
Aparently, 49 of 50 states have lost jobs since the pork
spending bill was signed.
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Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
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"Phil Carmody" <thefatphil_demunged at (no spam) yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
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Can we please get this thread back onto the topic of Obama,
please?
Phil
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