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| Hatunen... |
 Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:40 am |
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On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:16:35 +1100, "Andrew W"
<removethis_ajwerner at (no spam) optushome.com.au> wrote:
[quote]Hatunen wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:42:40 +1100, "Andrew W"
removethis_ajwerner at (no spam) optushome.com.au> wrote:
Hatunen wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 09:41:22 +1100, "Andrew W"
removethis_ajwerner at (no spam) optushome.com.au> wrote:
Hatunen wrote:
On Sat, 24 Oct 2009 10:32:16 +1100, "Andrew W"
removethis_ajwerner at (no spam) optushome.com.au> wrote:
Well then there are also the close up sightings of metallic
craft, and the direct encounters with the occupants.
Sure there are. But even if there are, they are no longer
unidentified.
We're not just talking about the distant sightings.
UFO is just a generic term for this ever broadening subject.
If they're that close, they're identified.
All the better. But they still come under the same umbrella subject
of UFOs. Do you wish to change the name of this field of study? Be
my guest.
Please define this "field of study". That way I'll be sure not to
misuse it.
You want me to identify something that everyone is clear about?
There is no single identification for this field. Its an area
involving everything from unexplained aerial phenomenon to
paranormal personal encounters with non-humans.
Who really cares what we call it.
See below, where you seem to want to define it as "flying
saucers". Is that the definition?
Are saying that the paranormal is included in the definition?
[...]
I suggest you have a look at some UFO documentaries to clear up your
uncertainties.
I've seen many of the so-called "documentaries". Too many, in
fact.
There are plenty available for download on the torrent sites.
I'm sure there are.
Just do a search for 'ufo' on http://www.torrentz.com/ and use a
program like utorrent to download them.
Also check the definition on Wikipedia and dictionary.com etc.
Let's see. Merriam-Webster aka dictionary.com) says: : an
unidentified flying object; especially : flying saucer.
I have no argument; I'm well aware that the word has been
co-opted.
But that it says "especially flying saucers". Are you saying the
whole field is defined by flying saucers?
No. That's just where it all starts.
The basic definition for UFO is objects that have not or cannot be
identified.
But that's just the initial definition of a widening field of study.
[/quote]
So far I haven't seen the name of this "field of study". That
would probably be a start toward a definition.
[quote]Where it connects to the rest of the field is where those objects have been
seen to actually come close or come down and show that they are in fact
metallic discs/vehicles.
[/quote]
Ah. So "flying saucers" is the field of study?
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************* DAVE HATUNEN (hatunen at (no spam) cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
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| Hatunen... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:42 am |
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On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:24:29 +1100, "Andrew W"
<removethis_ajwerner at (no spam) optushome.com.au> wrote:
[quote]Hatunen wrote:
Are saying that the paranormal is included in the definition?
The paranormal is not part of the definition but it is definitely part of
much of the field.
[/quote]
"Paranormal" takes in an awful lot. Is anything paranormal part
of this unnamed field of study, or just some kinds of paranormal
phenomena?
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| george... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:40 pm |
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On Oct 28, 8:57 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer... at (no spam) optushome.com.au>
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[quote]Wrong. I have heard and read hundreds of interviews etc. over the last ten
years or so including many with credible military officers.
[/quote]
We even had an astronaut claim that he saw Noahs Ark from space..
Just because some-one held a commission at some time doesn't prevent
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| Andrew W... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:06 pm |
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Hatunen wrote:
[quote]On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:16:35 +1100, "Andrew W"
removethis_ajwerner at (no spam) optushome.com.au> wrote:
Hatunen wrote:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:42:40 +1100, "Andrew W"
removethis_ajwerner at (no spam) optushome.com.au> wrote:
Also check the definition on Wikipedia and dictionary.com etc.
Let's see. Merriam-Webster aka dictionary.com) says: : an
unidentified flying object; especially : flying saucer.
I have no argument; I'm well aware that the word has been
co-opted.
But that it says "especially flying saucers". Are you saying the
whole field is defined by flying saucers?
No. That's just where it all starts.
The basic definition for UFO is objects that have not or cannot be
identified.
But that's just the initial definition of a widening field of study.
So far I haven't seen the name of this "field of study". That
would probably be a start toward a definition.
[/quote]
It has many names. UFOs, ETs, paranormal, abductions etc. etc.
It depends on the researcher and what area they cover.
[quote]
Where it connects to the rest of the field is where those objects
have been seen to actually come close or come down and show that
they are in fact metallic discs/vehicles.
Ah. So "flying saucers" is the field of study?
[/quote]
That's become one of the main aspects of it.
I know you want to put this into a box which is what many like to do so they
can get their heads around it better.
Unfortunately studying this subject requires thinking outside the box.
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enough. If you believe something too much then you have the same
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| Andrew W... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:15 pm |
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Hatunen wrote:
[quote]On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:24:29 +1100, "Andrew W"
removethis_ajwerner at (no spam) optushome.com.au> wrote:
Hatunen wrote:
Are saying that the paranormal is included in the definition?
The paranormal is not part of the definition but it is definitely
part of much of the field.
"Paranormal" takes in an awful lot. Is anything paranormal part
of this unnamed field of study, or just some kinds of paranormal
phenomena?
[/quote]
The observation that craft can phase in and out of reality, change/morph
their shape, and the ability of ETs to suddenly appear or go through walls
suggests that they are multidimensional and can manipulate the fabric of
reality.
Our science is also discovering that this is now possible. Science has
discovered that there are multiple dimensions.
Humans have even astral travelled and seen foreign landmarks and activities
that were later verified, yet there was no way the individual could have
known about those things.
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enough. If you believe something too much then you have the same
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| Andrew W... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:57 pm |
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george wrote:
[quote]On Oct 28, 5:42 am, Hatunen <hatu... at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:
"Paranormal" takes in an awful lot. Is anything paranormal part
of this unnamed field of study, or just some kinds of paranormal
phenomena?
In another set of posts in sci.skeptic he admits to believing that the
Greys exists...
Why?
Because he saw a video that had some-one making the claim in a
'conference setting'...
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Wrong. I have heard and read hundreds of interviews etc. over the last ten
years or so including many with credible military officers.
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enough. If you believe something too much then you have the same
problem. |
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| Andrew W... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:26 pm |
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george wrote:
[quote]On Oct 28, 8:57 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer... at (no spam) optushome.com.au
wrote:
Wrong. I have heard and read hundreds of interviews etc. over the
last ten years or so including many with credible military officers.
We even had an astronaut claim that he saw Noahs Ark from space..
Just because some-one held a commission at some time doesn't prevent
them being as mad as a hatter.
[/quote]
You have a right to your opinions I suppose.
That's all you have, opinions.
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If you are a hard skeptic then you haven't researched or questioned
enough. If you believe something too much then you have the same
problem. |
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| george... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 5:50 pm |
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On Oct 28, 12:26 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer... at (no spam) optushome.com.au>
wrote:
[quote]george wrote:
On Oct 28, 8:57 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer... at (no spam) optushome.com.au
wrote:
Wrong. I have heard and read hundreds of interviews etc. over the
last ten years or so including many with credible military officers.
We even had an astronaut claim that he saw Noahs Ark from space..
Just because some-one held a commission at some time doesn't prevent
them being as mad as a hatter.
You have a right to your opinions I suppose.
That's all you have, opinions.
[/quote]
So prove me wrong.
Show me where there is no insanity in the upper ranks of the military.
And show me (when you find him) as to how I got the astronauts claim
wrong about him seeing the Ark from space.
Your scepticism seems to be very shallow with to much credulity in the
strangest places... |
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| Andrew W... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:44 pm |
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george wrote:
[quote]On Oct 28, 12:26 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer... at (no spam) optushome.com.au
wrote:
george wrote:
On Oct 28, 8:57 am, "Andrew W"
removethis_ajwer... at (no spam) optushome.com.au> wrote:
Wrong. I have heard and read hundreds of interviews etc. over the
last ten years or so including many with credible military
officers.
We even had an astronaut claim that he saw Noahs Ark from space..
Just because some-one held a commission at some time doesn't prevent
them being as mad as a hatter.
You have a right to your opinions I suppose.
That's all you have, opinions.
So prove me wrong.
Show me where there is no insanity in the upper ranks of the military.
And show me (when you find him) as to how I got the astronauts claim
wrong about him seeing the Ark from space.
[/quote]
I can't find that article. Post a link please.
I don't see anything 'mad' about wanting to find a religious relic
especially if one was raised in a religious environment.
I think you probably tend to call mad anyone who doesn't think exactly like
you.
I know because my father has the same problem. He's also part of the old
generation that can't handle this advanced stuff and people who think
differently.
But the other thing is, do you really think that NASA would send a
potentially mad person into space? You don't know that they do mental and
personality evaluations on the candidates?
[quote]
Your scepticism seems to be very shallow with to much credulity in the
strangest places...
[/quote]
It all comes purely from research. Something you stopped doing just as the
best tool became available.
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enough. If you believe something too much then you have the same
problem. |
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| george... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 9:06 am |
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On Oct 28, 6:44 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer... at (no spam) optushome.com.au>
wrote:
[quote]george wrote:
On Oct 28, 12:26 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer... at (no spam) optushome.com.au
wrote:
george wrote:
On Oct 28, 8:57 am, "Andrew W"
removethis_ajwer... at (no spam) optushome.com.au> wrote:
Wrong. I have heard and read hundreds of interviews etc. over the
last ten years or so including many with credible military
officers.
We even had an astronaut claim that he saw Noahs Ark from space..
Just because some-one held a commission at some time doesn't prevent
them being as mad as a hatter.
You have a right to your opinions I suppose.
That's all you have, opinions.
So prove me wrong.
Show me where there is no insanity in the upper ranks of the military.
And show me (when you find him) as to how I got the astronauts claim
wrong about him seeing the Ark from space.
I can't find that article. Post a link please.
[/quote]
James Irwin
"Beginning in 1973, Irwin led several expeditions to Mount Ararat,
Turkey in search of the remains of Noah's Ark. His expeditions failed
to find any sign of the Ark. In 1982, he was injured during the
descent and had to be transported down the mountain on a horse and
then to the nearest hospital by Lieutenant Orhan Baser and his
commando team. Lieutenant Baser was assigned to protect and lead the
team on this expedition."
[quote]I don't see anything 'mad' about wanting to find a religious relic
especially if one was raised in a religious environment.
I think you probably tend to call mad anyone who doesn't think exactly like
you.
That is a copout.[/quote]
[quote]I know because my father has the same problem. He's also part of the old
generation that can't handle this advanced stuff and people who think
differently.
[/quote]
You just made an assumption. Inncorrect as it happens
[quote]
But the other thing is, do you really think that NASA would send a
potentially mad person into space? You don't know that they do mental and
personality evaluations on the candidates?
Oh. So how about the female astronaut who drove across the USA in a[/quote]
daiper so she didn't have to stop so she could murder some-one she
thought as getting away with her favourite astronaut
[quote]
Your scepticism seems to be very shallow with to much credulity in the
strangest places...
It all comes purely from research. Something you stopped doing just as the
best tool became available.
You don't use sceptisism as a tool. You believe and that it all you[/quote]
do.
Look at the background to these 'alien' cllaims.
Look for viable explanations with the evidence .
I recommend the following as a guide.
"If I hear hooves in the night I expect horses and not Zebras" |
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| Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:39 pm |
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On Oct 29, 12:01 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer... at (no spam) optushome.com.au>
wrote:
[quote]george wrote:
On Oct 28, 6:44 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer... at (no spam) optushome.com.au
wrote:
george wrote:
On Oct 28, 12:26 pm, "Andrew W"
removethis_ajwer... at (no spam) optushome.com.au> wrote:
george wrote:
On Oct 28, 8:57 am, "Andrew W"
removethis_ajwer... at (no spam) optushome.com.au> wrote:
So prove me wrong.
Show me where there is no insanity in the upper ranks of the
military. And show me (when you find him) as to how I got the
astronauts claim wrong about him seeing the Ark from space.
I can't find that article. Post a link please.
James Irwin
"Beginning in 1973, Irwin led several expeditions to Mount Ararat,
Turkey in search of the remains of Noah's Ark. His expeditions failed
to find any sign of the Ark. In 1982, he was injured during the
descent and had to be transported down the mountain on a horse and
then to the nearest hospital by Lieutenant Orhan Baser and his
commando team. Lieutenant Baser was assigned to protect and lead the
team on this expedition."
Ah, I think I saw that one but it might have been after I had posted my
reply.
The story sounds like what a lot of passionately curious people have done in
history.
I don't see anything 'mad' about wanting to find a religious relic
especially if one was raised in a religious environment.
I think you probably tend to call mad anyone who doesn't think
exactly like you.
That is a copout.
Really? Can you honestly say that you can bring yourself to look at things
from other people's perspectives?
You've called a lot of people and things mad and nonsense so far.
That's not a scientific or open minded approach in anyones book.
I know because my father has the same problem. He's also part of the
old generation that can't handle this advanced stuff and people who
think differently.
You just made an assumption. Inncorrect as it happens
I may have made a bit of an assumption but you do show all the signs of a
conservative old school rigid thinker.
All hard line skeptic debunkers do.
But the other thing is, do you really think that NASA would send a
potentially mad person into space? You don't know that they do
mental and personality evaluations on the candidates?
Oh. So how about the female astronaut who drove across the USA in a
daiper so she didn't have to stop so she could murder some-one she
thought as getting away with her favourite astronaut
That is barely coherent. I can't even begin to imagine what that could be
about.
Your scepticism seems to be very shallow with to much credulity in
the strangest places...
It all comes purely from research. Something you stopped doing just
as the best tool became available.
You don't use sceptisism as a tool. You believe and that it all you
do.
Look at the background to these 'alien' cllaims.
Look for viable explanations with the evidence .
I recommend the following as a guide.
"If I hear hooves in the night I expect horses and not Zebras"
Now you have made an assumption.
What you don't know is that I have over 100gig of audio and video interviews
of credible witnesses and insiders. And yes they have been verified as
honest., sane and authentic. They include insiders like Colonel Jesse Marcel
Jnr. who was a full-bird Colonel and had dealings and knowledge regarding
the Roswell incident and the government's cover-up activities.
His story as well as others is completely different to the government's
story about Roswell which was first a weather balloon, then a Mogul balloon.
But then there was the government's completely ridiculous dropped dummies
story which I won't go into.
One thing very noteworthy is that the military carried out a high security
operation to recover debris using trucks which they later claimed was a
Mogul balloon, yet the Mogul project wasn't even highly classified. (This is
strange since they even threatened many people in the area to not talk).
There were other similar balloons and they often didn't even bother
collecting them after they had fallen to earth. So why the big rah-rah this
time? Other than the balloon material itself which is no secret, the Mogul
only carried a Radiosonde which was known technology at the time.
Another thing to note is that the Roswell crash was from the start called a
'crash', yet balloons don't crash, they just come down. And they don't leave
a heck of a lot of scattered debris, certainly not 3/4 mile which the main
report says. Plus they don't need trucks accompanied by military and/or
airforce generals and advisors/consultants to carry them away.
The Roswell incident wasn't the only case using high security operations to
recover things (in some cases using large low-loader trucks). There were
several. Strange considering there was allegedly nothing at those sites to
begin with according to the government and military.
Other interviews I have include ones with:
(All were thoroughly checked out by research personnel and have appeared on
multiple respected radio programs over the years)
- Lt. Col. Kevin Randle (decorated in two wars, over 27 years of service,
expert on military matters, studied and considered leading authority on
paranormal, UFOs, has knowledge on Roswell)
- Stanton Friedman (Roswell, Majestic 12, Nuclear Physicist-Lecturer, BSc..
and MSc. Degrees in physics)
- Peter Robbins (involved in UFO studies for more than thirty years,
researcher, investigator, writer, lecturer, activist, consultant and author)
- Dennis Balthaser (Underground Bases and Tunnels, Speaker at The
Roswell-MUFON Conference, knowledge about Government and Military Secrecy at
underground locations)
- Thomas J Carey (Co-Author - Witness To Roswell, Air Force TOP
SECRET/CRYPTO clearance, research focussing on Roswell Incident)
- Frank Warren (UFO Chronicles, UFO historian)
- John Rowe (Airline pilot of 38 years shares his UFO experiences)
- George Green (Has had multiple contacts with extraterrestrials)
- Dr Nick Begich (Mind Control, HAARP, RFID's and More. Serves as Executive
Director of The Lay Institute on Technology)
- Stan Romanek (Close Encounters: Scientific Proof UFOs and Aliens are
Real - The Stan Romanek case is possibly the most scientifically documented
human/extraterrestrial encounters case in the world. There have been well
over 100 individually unique experiences that Stan has encountered since
December of 2000).
- Michael Horn (Authorized American Media Representative for the Billy Meier
Contacts which he has researched since 1979 and demonstrated to be
authentic).
- Bob Dean (retired Command Sergeant Major)
- Dan Burisch (Stargate Secrets, Project looking glass)
- John Lear (retired airline captain and friend of Bob Lazar)
- Clifford Stone (former Army Sergeant, US Government tried to suppress what
he actually saw one day in Pennsylvania 1969)
- Bill Holden (served as a steward on board Air Force One, from which he
tells a story of a short but revealing conversation with JFK about UFOs. But
that was just the beginning of his experiences. In the years which followed,
he was asked to participate several times in small select military groups to
encounter alien beings and craft demonstrations in what he believes was a
least partly a sort of experiment to assess reactions - a procedure that
others have also reported elsewhere).
- Nick Pope (The British UFO X-Files - Nick Pope used to run the British
Government's UFO project at the Ministry of Defense. Initially skeptical,
his research and investigation into the UFO phenomenon and access to
formerly classified government files on the subject soon convinced him that
the phenomenon raised important defense and national security issues,
especially when the witnesses were military pilots or where UFOs were
tracked on radar. Nick also looked into other mysteries such as alien
abductions, crop circles and ghosts. He now continues his research in a
private capacity and is recognized as a leading authority on UFOs and the
unexplained. He does extensive media work, lectures all around the world and
has acted as consultant on numerous television documentaries).
And many more.
- Dan Sherman (was trained by the US Air Force as an "Intuitive
Communicator" - a high-tech telepath - and found himself in daily
communication with two extraterrestrials as part of the US military's
preparation "for a future time in which all electronic communications would
be rendered useless").
- Bill Hamilton (speaking at the 2005 Crash Retrieval Conference in Las
Vegas and covered The Case for Reverse Engineering and Alien Astronautics,
UFOs, ETs and their agenda and interaction with mankind).
- Richard C. Hoagland (former museum space science Curator; a former NASA
Consultant; and, during the historic Apollo Missions to the Moon, was
science advisor to Walter Cronkite and CBS News).
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If you are a hard skeptic then you haven't researched or questioned
enough. If you believe something too much then you have the same
problem.
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Good work! This will quiet the real skeptics, but the debunkers will
make a total fool of themselves. That is what they do. Hagar,
"H"eroin, Cujo and the rest, as worthless as the shit on their
shoes.
Thanks again for the great info. This is what we are talking about!!
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george wrote:
[quote]On Oct 28, 6:44 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer... at (no spam) optushome.com.au
wrote:
george wrote:
On Oct 28, 12:26 pm, "Andrew W"
removethis_ajwer... at (no spam) optushome.com.au> wrote:
george wrote:
On Oct 28, 8:57 am, "Andrew W"
removethis_ajwer... at (no spam) optushome.com.au> wrote:
So prove me wrong.
Show me where there is no insanity in the upper ranks of the
military. And show me (when you find him) as to how I got the
astronauts claim wrong about him seeing the Ark from space.
I can't find that article. Post a link please.
James Irwin
"Beginning in 1973, Irwin led several expeditions to Mount Ararat,
Turkey in search of the remains of Noah's Ark. His expeditions failed
to find any sign of the Ark. In 1982, he was injured during the
descent and had to be transported down the mountain on a horse and
then to the nearest hospital by Lieutenant Orhan Baser and his
commando team. Lieutenant Baser was assigned to protect and lead the
team on this expedition."
[/quote]
Ah, I think I saw that one but it might have been after I had posted my
reply.
The story sounds like what a lot of passionately curious people have done in
history.
[quote]
I don't see anything 'mad' about wanting to find a religious relic
especially if one was raised in a religious environment.
I think you probably tend to call mad anyone who doesn't think
exactly like you.
That is a copout.
[/quote]
Really? Can you honestly say that you can bring yourself to look at things
from other people's perspectives?
You've called a lot of people and things mad and nonsense so far.
That's not a scientific or open minded approach in anyones book.
[quote]
I know because my father has the same problem. He's also part of the
old generation that can't handle this advanced stuff and people who
think differently.
You just made an assumption. Inncorrect as it happens
[/quote]
I may have made a bit of an assumption but you do show all the signs of a
conservative old school rigid thinker.
All hard line skeptic debunkers do.
[quote]
But the other thing is, do you really think that NASA would send a
potentially mad person into space? You don't know that they do
mental and personality evaluations on the candidates?
Oh. So how about the female astronaut who drove across the USA in a
daiper so she didn't have to stop so she could murder some-one she
thought as getting away with her favourite astronaut
[/quote]
That is barely coherent. I can't even begin to imagine what that could be
about.
[quote]
Your scepticism seems to be very shallow with to much credulity in
the strangest places...
It all comes purely from research. Something you stopped doing just
as the best tool became available.
You don't use sceptisism as a tool. You believe and that it all you
do.
Look at the background to these 'alien' cllaims.
Look for viable explanations with the evidence .
I recommend the following as a guide.
"If I hear hooves in the night I expect horses and not Zebras"
[/quote]
Now you have made an assumption.
What you don't know is that I have over 100gig of audio and video interviews
of credible witnesses and insiders. And yes they have been verified as
honest., sane and authentic. They include insiders like Colonel Jesse Marcel
Jnr. who was a full-bird Colonel and had dealings and knowledge regarding
the Roswell incident and the government's cover-up activities.
His story as well as others is completely different to the government's
story about Roswell which was first a weather balloon, then a Mogul balloon.
But then there was the government's completely ridiculous dropped dummies
story which I won't go into.
One thing very noteworthy is that the military carried out a high security
operation to recover debris using trucks which they later claimed was a
Mogul balloon, yet the Mogul project wasn't even highly classified. (This is
strange since they even threatened many people in the area to not talk).
There were other similar balloons and they often didn't even bother
collecting them after they had fallen to earth. So why the big rah-rah this
time? Other than the balloon material itself which is no secret, the Mogul
only carried a Radiosonde which was known technology at the time.
Another thing to note is that the Roswell crash was from the start called a
'crash', yet balloons don't crash, they just come down. And they don't leave
a heck of a lot of scattered debris, certainly not 3/4 mile which the main
report says. Plus they don't need trucks accompanied by military and/or
airforce generals and advisors/consultants to carry them away.
The Roswell incident wasn't the only case using high security operations to
recover things (in some cases using large low-loader trucks). There were
several. Strange considering there was allegedly nothing at those sites to
begin with according to the government and military.
Other interviews I have include ones with:
(All were thoroughly checked out by research personnel and have appeared on
multiple respected radio programs over the years)
- Lt. Col. Kevin Randle (decorated in two wars, over 27 years of service,
expert on military matters, studied and considered leading authority on
paranormal, UFOs, has knowledge on Roswell)
- Stanton Friedman (Roswell, Majestic 12, Nuclear Physicist-Lecturer, BSc.
and MSc. Degrees in physics)
- Peter Robbins (involved in UFO studies for more than thirty years,
researcher, investigator, writer, lecturer, activist, consultant and author)
- Dennis Balthaser (Underground Bases and Tunnels, Speaker at The
Roswell-MUFON Conference, knowledge about Government and Military Secrecy at
underground locations)
- Thomas J Carey (Co-Author - Witness To Roswell, Air Force TOP
SECRET/CRYPTO clearance, research focussing on Roswell Incident)
- Frank Warren (UFO Chronicles, UFO historian)
- John Rowe (Airline pilot of 38 years shares his UFO experiences)
- George Green (Has had multiple contacts with extraterrestrials)
- Dr Nick Begich (Mind Control, HAARP, RFID's and More. Serves as Executive
Director of The Lay Institute on Technology)
- Stan Romanek (Close Encounters: Scientific Proof UFOs and Aliens are
Real - The Stan Romanek case is possibly the most scientifically documented
human/extraterrestrial encounters case in the world. There have been well
over 100 individually unique experiences that Stan has encountered since
December of 2000).
- Michael Horn (Authorized American Media Representative for the Billy Meier
Contacts which he has researched since 1979 and demonstrated to be
authentic).
- Bob Dean (retired Command Sergeant Major)
- Dan Burisch (Stargate Secrets, Project looking glass)
- John Lear (retired airline captain and friend of Bob Lazar)
- Clifford Stone (former Army Sergeant, US Government tried to suppress what
he actually saw one day in Pennsylvania 1969)
- Bill Holden (served as a steward on board Air Force One, from which he
tells a story of a short but revealing conversation with JFK about UFOs. But
that was just the beginning of his experiences. In the years which followed,
he was asked to participate several times in small select military groups to
encounter alien beings and craft demonstrations in what he believes was a
least partly a sort of experiment to assess reactions - a procedure that
others have also reported elsewhere).
- Nick Pope (The British UFO X-Files - Nick Pope used to run the British
Government's UFO project at the Ministry of Defense. Initially skeptical,
his research and investigation into the UFO phenomenon and access to
formerly classified government files on the subject soon convinced him that
the phenomenon raised important defense and national security issues,
especially when the witnesses were military pilots or where UFOs were
tracked on radar. Nick also looked into other mysteries such as alien
abductions, crop circles and ghosts. He now continues his research in a
private capacity and is recognized as a leading authority on UFOs and the
unexplained. He does extensive media work, lectures all around the world and
has acted as consultant on numerous television documentaries).
And many more.
- Dan Sherman (was trained by the US Air Force as an "Intuitive
Communicator" - a high-tech telepath - and found himself in daily
communication with two extraterrestrials as part of the US military's
preparation "for a future time in which all electronic communications would
be rendered useless").
- Bill Hamilton (speaking at the 2005 Crash Retrieval Conference in Las
Vegas and covered The Case for Reverse Engineering and Alien Astronautics,
UFOs, ETs and their agenda and interaction with mankind).
- Richard C. Hoagland (former museum space science Curator; a former NASA
Consultant; and, during the historic Apollo Missions to the Moon, was
science advisor to Walter Cronkite and CBS News).
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enough. If you believe something too much then you have the same
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Andrew W wrote:
[quote]george wrote:
On Oct 28, 6:44 pm, "Andrew W"<removethis_ajwer... at (no spam) optushome.com.au
wrote:
george wrote:
On Oct 28, 12:26 pm, "Andrew W"
removethis_ajwer... at (no spam) optushome.com.au> wrote:
george wrote:
On Oct 28, 8:57 am, "Andrew W"
removethis_ajwer... at (no spam) optushome.com.au> wrote:
So prove me wrong.
Show me where there is no insanity in the upper ranks of the
military. And show me (when you find him) as to how I got the
astronauts claim wrong about him seeing the Ark from space.
I can't find that article. Post a link please.
James Irwin
"Beginning in 1973, Irwin led several expeditions to Mount Ararat,
Turkey in search of the remains of Noah's Ark. His expeditions failed
to find any sign of the Ark. In 1982, he was injured during the
descent and had to be transported down the mountain on a horse and
then to the nearest hospital by Lieutenant Orhan Baser and his
commando team. Lieutenant Baser was assigned to protect and lead the
team on this expedition."
Ah, I think I saw that one but it might have been after I had posted my
reply.
The story sounds like what a lot of passionately curious people have done in
history.
I don't see anything 'mad' about wanting to find a religious relic
especially if one was raised in a religious environment.
I think you probably tend to call mad anyone who doesn't think
exactly like you.
That is a copout.
Really? Can you honestly say that you can bring yourself to look at things
from other people's perspectives?
You've called a lot of people and things mad and nonsense so far.
That's not a scientific or open minded approach in anyones book.
I know because my father has the same problem. He's also part of the
old generation that can't handle this advanced stuff and people who
think differently.
You just made an assumption. Inncorrect as it happens
I may have made a bit of an assumption but you do show all the signs of a
conservative old school rigid thinker.
All hard line skeptic debunkers do.
But the other thing is, do you really think that NASA would send a
potentially mad person into space? You don't know that they do
mental and personality evaluations on the candidates?
Oh. So how about the female astronaut who drove across the USA in a
daiper so she didn't have to stop so she could murder some-one she
thought as getting away with her favourite astronaut
That is barely coherent. I can't even begin to imagine what that could be
about.
Your scepticism seems to be very shallow with to much credulity in
the strangest places...
It all comes purely from research. Something you stopped doing just
as the best tool became available.
You don't use sceptisism as a tool. You believe and that it all you
do.
Look at the background to these 'alien' cllaims.
Look for viable explanations with the evidence .
I recommend the following as a guide.
"If I hear hooves in the night I expect horses and not Zebras"
Now you have made an assumption.
What you don't know is that I have over 100gig of audio and video interviews
of credible witnesses and insiders. And yes they have been verified as
honest., sane and authentic. They include insiders like Colonel Jesse Marcel
Jnr. who was a full-bird Colonel and had dealings and knowledge regarding
the Roswell incident and the government's cover-up activities.
His story as well as others is completely different to the government's
story about Roswell which was first a weather balloon, then a Mogul balloon.
But then there was the government's completely ridiculous dropped dummies
story which I won't go into.
One thing very noteworthy is that the military carried out a high security
operation to recover debris using trucks which they later claimed was a
Mogul balloon, yet the Mogul project wasn't even highly classified. (This is
strange since they even threatened many people in the area to not talk).
There were other similar balloons and they often didn't even bother
collecting them after they had fallen to earth. So why the big rah-rah this
time? Other than the balloon material itself which is no secret, the Mogul
only carried a Radiosonde which was known technology at the time.
Another thing to note is that the Roswell crash was from the start called a
'crash', yet balloons don't crash, they just come down. And they don't leave
a heck of a lot of scattered debris, certainly not 3/4 mile which the main
report says. Plus they don't need trucks accompanied by military and/or
airforce generals and advisors/consultants to carry them away.
The Roswell incident wasn't the only case using high security operations to
recover things (in some cases using large low-loader trucks). There were
several. Strange considering there was allegedly nothing at those sites to
begin with according to the government and military.
Other interviews I have include ones with:
(All were thoroughly checked out by research personnel and have appeared on
multiple respected radio programs over the years)
- Lt. Col. Kevin Randle (decorated in two wars, over 27 years of service,
expert on military matters, studied and considered leading authority on
paranormal, UFOs, has knowledge on Roswell)
- Stanton Friedman (Roswell, Majestic 12, Nuclear Physicist-Lecturer, BSc.
and MSc. Degrees in physics)
- Peter Robbins (involved in UFO studies for more than thirty years,
researcher, investigator, writer, lecturer, activist, consultant and author)
- Dennis Balthaser (Underground Bases and Tunnels, Speaker at The
Roswell-MUFON Conference, knowledge about Government and Military Secrecy at
underground locations)
- Thomas J Carey (Co-Author - Witness To Roswell, Air Force TOP
SECRET/CRYPTO clearance, research focussing on Roswell Incident)
- Frank Warren (UFO Chronicles, UFO historian)
- John Rowe (Airline pilot of 38 years shares his UFO experiences)
- George Green (Has had multiple contacts with extraterrestrials)
- Dr Nick Begich (Mind Control, HAARP, RFID's and More. Serves as Executive
Director of The Lay Institute on Technology)
- Stan Romanek (Close Encounters: Scientific Proof UFOs and Aliens are
Real - The Stan Romanek case is possibly the most scientifically documented
human/extraterrestrial encounters case in the world. There have been well
over 100 individually unique experiences that Stan has encountered since
December of 2000).
- Michael Horn (Authorized American Media Representative for the Billy Meier
Contacts which he has researched since 1979 and demonstrated to be
authentic).
- Bob Dean (retired Command Sergeant Major)
- Dan Burisch (Stargate Secrets, Project looking glass)
- John Lear (retired airline captain and friend of Bob Lazar)
- Clifford Stone (former Army Sergeant, US Government tried to suppress what
he actually saw one day in Pennsylvania 1969)
- Bill Holden (served as a steward on board Air Force One, from which he
tells a story of a short but revealing conversation with JFK about UFOs. But
that was just the beginning of his experiences. In the years which followed,
he was asked to participate several times in small select military groups to
encounter alien beings and craft demonstrations in what he believes was a
least partly a sort of experiment to assess reactions - a procedure that
others have also reported elsewhere).
- Nick Pope (The British UFO X-Files - Nick Pope used to run the British
Government's UFO project at the Ministry of Defense. Initially skeptical,
his research and investigation into the UFO phenomenon and access to
formerly classified government files on the subject soon convinced him that
the phenomenon raised important defense and national security issues,
especially when the witnesses were military pilots or where UFOs were
tracked on radar. Nick also looked into other mysteries such as alien
abductions, crop circles and ghosts. He now continues his research in a
private capacity and is recognized as a leading authority on UFOs and the
unexplained. He does extensive media work, lectures all around the world and
has acted as consultant on numerous television documentaries).
And many more.
- Dan Sherman (was trained by the US Air Force as an "Intuitive
Communicator" - a high-tech telepath - and found himself in daily
communication with two extraterrestrials as part of the US military's
preparation "for a future time in which all electronic communications would
be rendered useless").
- Bill Hamilton (speaking at the 2005 Crash Retrieval Conference in Las
Vegas and covered The Case for Reverse Engineering and Alien Astronautics,
UFOs, ETs and their agenda and interaction with mankind).
- Richard C. Hoagland (former museum space science Curator; a former NASA
Consultant; and, during the historic Apollo Missions to the Moon, was
science advisor to Walter Cronkite and CBS News).
Look, as I've said in an earlier post in a different thread-the[/quote]
credibility of sources will always be called into question by naysayers.
This again becomes an unprovable assertion- very similar to religion.
Q:Why, for example, have none of these supposedly eminent people and
experts been featured by the mainstream media?Why are all these sources
of information coming from dodgy looking websites that look like they
were made by some geek in a basement?
A: Because the mainstream media doesn't believe them and are part of the
coverup conspiracy.
All the photographic and film evidence to date shows nothing but grainy
footage that could mean anything.
I would like to see hard evidence as much as the next UFO fan- however
given the current state of speculation, UFO phenomena must firmly remain
in the realm of pseudoscience and deeply wishful thinking.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 7:20 am |
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"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner at (no spam) optushome.com.au> wrote in message
news:4ae93db6$0$16717$afc38c87 at (no spam) news.optusnet.com.au...
[quote]"If I hear hooves in the night I expect horses and not Zebras"
Now you have made an assumption.
What you don't know is that I have over 100gig of audio and video
interviews of credible witnesses and insiders.
[/quote]
What a waste of hard drive space.
I save that valuable space for important
things..... Like porn.
[quote]And yes they have been verified as honest., sane and authentic.
[/quote]
<<<SNIP>>>
[quote]- Richard C. Hoagland (former museum space science Curator; a former NASA
Consultant; and, during the historic Apollo Missions to the Moon, was
science advisor to Walter Cronkite and CBS News).
[/quote]
LOL! This is the same Hoagland that claimed that astronauts had to dodge
glass buildings on the moon while landing?
"honest., sane and authentic"? BWAHAhahahahaha!
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| Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 2:20 pm |
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Rex wrote:
[quote]Andrew W wrote:
george wrote:
On Oct 28, 6:44 pm, "Andrew W"<removethis_ajwer... at (no spam) optushome.com.au
wrote:
george wrote:
On Oct 28, 12:26 pm, "Andrew W"
removethis_ajwer... at (no spam) optushome.com.au> wrote:
Now you have made an assumption.
What you don't know is that I have over 100gig of audio and video
interviews of credible witnesses and insiders. And yes they have
been verified as honest., sane and authentic. They include insiders
like Colonel Jesse Marcel Jnr. who was a full-bird Colonel and had
dealings and knowledge regarding the Roswell incident and the
government's cover-up activities. His story as well as others is
completely different to the
government's story about Roswell which was first a weather balloon,
then a Mogul balloon. But then there was the government's completely
ridiculous dropped dummies story which I won't go into.
One thing very noteworthy is that the military carried out a high
security operation to recover debris using trucks which they later
claimed was a Mogul balloon, yet the Mogul project wasn't even
highly classified. (This is strange since they even threatened many
people in the area to not talk). There were other similar balloons
and they often didn't even bother collecting them after they had
fallen to earth. So why the big rah-rah this time? Other than the
balloon material itself which is no secret, the Mogul only carried a
Radiosonde which was known technology at the time. Another thing to note
is that the Roswell crash was from the start
called a 'crash', yet balloons don't crash, they just come down. And
they don't leave a heck of a lot of scattered debris, certainly not
3/4 mile which the main report says. Plus they don't need trucks
accompanied by military and/or airforce generals and
advisors/consultants to carry them away. The Roswell incident wasn't the
only case using high security
operations to recover things (in some cases using large low-loader
trucks). There were several. Strange considering there was allegedly
nothing at those sites to begin with according to the government and
military. Other interviews I have include ones with:
(All were thoroughly checked out by research personnel and have
appeared on multiple respected radio programs over the years)
- Lt. Col. Kevin Randle (decorated in two wars, over 27 years of
service, expert on military matters, studied and considered leading
authority on paranormal, UFOs, has knowledge on Roswell)
- Stanton Friedman (Roswell, Majestic 12, Nuclear
Physicist-Lecturer, BSc. and MSc. Degrees in physics)
- Peter Robbins (involved in UFO studies for more than thirty years,
researcher, investigator, writer, lecturer, activist, consultant and
author) - Dennis Balthaser (Underground Bases and Tunnels, Speaker
at The Roswell-MUFON Conference, knowledge about Government and
Military Secrecy at underground locations)
- Thomas J Carey (Co-Author - Witness To Roswell, Air Force TOP
SECRET/CRYPTO clearance, research focussing on Roswell Incident)
- Frank Warren (UFO Chronicles, UFO historian)
- John Rowe (Airline pilot of 38 years shares his UFO experiences)
- George Green (Has had multiple contacts with extraterrestrials)
- Dr Nick Begich (Mind Control, HAARP, RFID's and More. Serves as
Executive Director of The Lay Institute on Technology)
- Stan Romanek (Close Encounters: Scientific Proof UFOs and Aliens
are Real - The Stan Romanek case is possibly the most scientifically
documented human/extraterrestrial encounters case in the world.
There have been well over 100 individually unique experiences that
Stan has encountered since December of 2000).
- Michael Horn (Authorized American Media Representative for the
Billy Meier Contacts which he has researched since 1979 and
demonstrated to be authentic).
- Bob Dean (retired Command Sergeant Major)
- Dan Burisch (Stargate Secrets, Project looking glass)
- John Lear (retired airline captain and friend of Bob Lazar)
- Clifford Stone (former Army Sergeant, US Government tried to
suppress what he actually saw one day in Pennsylvania 1969)
- Bill Holden (served as a steward on board Air Force One, from
which he tells a story of a short but revealing conversation with
JFK about UFOs. But that was just the beginning of his experiences.
In the years which followed, he was asked to participate several
times in small select military groups to encounter alien beings and
craft demonstrations in what he believes was a least partly a sort
of experiment to assess reactions - a procedure that others have
also reported elsewhere). - Nick Pope (The British UFO X-Files -
Nick Pope used to run the British Government's UFO project at the
Ministry of Defense. Initially skeptical, his research and
investigation into the UFO phenomenon and access to formerly
classified government files on the subject soon convinced him that
the phenomenon raised important defense and national security
issues, especially when the witnesses were military pilots or where
UFOs were tracked on radar. Nick also looked into other mysteries
such as alien abductions, crop circles and ghosts. He now continues
his research in a private capacity and is recognized as a leading
authority on UFOs and the unexplained. He does extensive media work,
lectures all around the world and has acted as consultant on
numerous television documentaries). And many more.
- Dan Sherman (was trained by the US Air Force as an "Intuitive
Communicator" - a high-tech telepath - and found himself in daily
communication with two extraterrestrials as part of the US military's
preparation "for a future time in which all electronic
communications would be rendered useless").
- Bill Hamilton (speaking at the 2005 Crash Retrieval Conference in
Las Vegas and covered The Case for Reverse Engineering and Alien
Astronautics, UFOs, ETs and their agenda and interaction with
mankind). - Richard C. Hoagland (former museum space science
Curator; a former NASA Consultant; and, during the historic Apollo
Missions to the Moon, was science advisor to Walter Cronkite and CBS
News).
Look, as I've said in an earlier post in a different thread-the
credibility of sources will always be called into question by
naysayers. This again becomes an unprovable assertion- very similar
to religion. Q:Why, for example, have none of these supposedly
eminent people and experts been featured by the mainstream media?
[/quote]
The mainstream media is controlled by the governments.
Plus only bad news and violence gets ratings. That's what the majority like.
The media is all about ratings and money.
[quote]
Why
are all these sources of information coming from dodgy looking
websites that look like they were made by some geek in a basement?
A: Because the mainstream media doesn't believe them and are part of
the coverup conspiracy.
[/quote]
What exactly is a dodgy website? Just because some young creative mind was
employed to create an innovative website doesn't mean it contains lies.
Plain looking websites have been known to contain propaganda.
[quote]
All the photographic and film evidence to date shows nothing but
grainy footage that could mean anything.
[/quote]
Its hard to be at the right place at the right time with a camera and a
tripod.
Plus if your only way to gain data from an event is to watch movies then
you're not a very good investigator.
[quote]
I would like to see hard evidence as much as the next UFO fan- however
given the current state of speculation, UFO phenomena must firmly
remain in the realm of pseudoscience and deeply wishful thinking.
[/quote]
There is no wishful thinking in this field. There is lots of very
interesting data.
Its just that the debunkers are not really interested. They just want
instant satisfaction. They want the evidence to be dropped in their laps
while they sit in their armchairs.
[quote]
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"Technology is a word for something that doesn't work yet"
-- Douglas Adams
[/quote]
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enough. If you believe something too much then you have the same
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