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| bigfletch8 at (no spam) gmail.com... |
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The 'third eye' has been depicted in a number of ancient cultures,
usually with spiritual or psychic connotations. (To me, spirituality
is to religion as symphonic music is to rap).
Many forms of yoga teach the technique of focusing on what is called
the 'tisra til'. Seers often say that is the point in which different
visions crystallize, or a 'gateway' to parallel realities
To the uninitiated, this (validly) sounded like so much mumbo jumbo.
When the pineal gland was first identified, it was seen as a 'lump'
with no perceived usefulness. It was then seen to be a light sensitive
gland, from which all other components of the endocrinology system
connect. Approaching night, melatonin is triggered, as with serotonin
with the sunrise.
Further investigation, discovered structures of hammers and cones
identical to those in the cornea...!
This is a good example of how religious conditioning can block the day
to day value of such scientific based discovery, because such
scientific findings confront, what is mistakenly associated with
religious dogmas.
Another example being the effect carbon dating has on the
creationists belief. It at least 'shakes up' their views, but of
course, some hold on even tighter to their old images, as though new
insights will somehow diminish the truth of what is really happening.
Both sides of the argument refer to historical timing, but if the
religionist is willing to change his reference from local timing ( the
insignificant 'dot' of a planet revolving around a third rate star in
a fourth rate galaxy),to cosmological time scales, then it doesnt
sound ludicrous at all. This is a measure of spiritual growth, often
referred to as an expanding consciousness
If god exists in some form, then surely, it is only when we are each
willing to look deeper into form'ation, can we get closer to the
deeper truths.
Religions at best, are stepping stones, and at worst, are the sort of
stones used for stoning "metaphorically as well as literally".
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| Jimbo... |
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On Oct 23, 11:17 am, "bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com" <bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com>
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[quote]The 'third eye' has been depicted in a number of ancient cultures,
usually with spiritual or psychic connotations. (To me, spirituality
is to religion as symphonic music is to rap).
Many forms of yoga teach the technique of focusing on what is called
the 'tisra til'. Seers often say that is the point in which different
visions crystallize, or a 'gateway' to parallel realities
To the uninitiated, this (validly) sounded like so much mumbo jumbo.
When the pineal gland was first identified, it was seen as a 'lump'
with no perceived usefulness. It was then seen to be a light sensitive
gland, from which all other components of the endocrinology system
connect. Approaching night, melatonin is triggered, as with serotonin
with the sunrise.
Further investigation, discovered structures of hammers and cones
identical to those in the cornea...!
This is a good example of how religious conditioning can block the day
to day value of such scientific based discovery, because such
scientific findings confront, what is mistakenly associated with
religious dogmas.
Another example being the effect carbon dating has on the
creationists belief. It at least 'shakes up' their views, but of
course, some hold on even tighter to their old images, as though new
insights will somehow diminish the truth of what is really happening.
Both sides of the argument refer to historical timing, but if the
religionist is willing to change his reference from local timing ( the
insignificant 'dot' of a planet revolving around a third rate star in
a fourth rate galaxy),to cosmological time scales, then it doesnt
sound ludicrous at all. This is a measure of spiritual growth, often
referred to as an expanding consciousness
If god exists in some form, then surely, it is only when we are each
willing to look deeper into form'ation, can we get closer to the
deeper truths.
Religions at best, are stepping stones, and at worst, are the sort of
stones used for stoning "metaphorically as well as literally".
BOfL
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The law of averages states that if one makes millions of assertions
based on religious dogma, a certain percentage of those are bound to
also be confirmed in science, although for different reasons. It
doesn't mean anything beyond the fact that science found evidence why
that particular dogma is correct. Some people tend to ignore the
fact that science disproved 100,000 such assertions for each one of
them that were proven correct. In other words, if you put a million
monkey in a large concert hall on a million pianos, for a million
years, eventually you're going to hear Handel's Messiah. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:19 am |
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On Oct 23, 8:17 am, "bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com" <bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com>
wrote:
[quote]The 'third eye' has been depicted in a number of ancient cultures,
usually with spiritual or psychic connotations. (To me, spirituality
is to religion as symphonic music is to rap).
Many forms of yoga teach the technique of focusing on what is called
the 'tisra til'. Seers often say that is the point in which different
visions crystallize, or a 'gateway' to parallel realities
To the uninitiated, this (validly) sounded like so much mumbo jumbo.
When the pineal gland was first identified, it was seen as a 'lump'
with no perceived usefulness. It was then seen to be a light sensitive
gland, from which all other components of the endocrinology system
connect. Approaching night, melatonin is triggered, as with serotonin
with the sunrise.
Further investigation, discovered structures of hammers and cones
identical to those in the cornea...!
[/quote]
Beg pardon? There is a bone informally called
the hammer in the middle ear; cones are in the
retina.
Haiku Jones
[quote]
This is a good example of how religious conditioning can block the day
to day value of such scientific based discovery, because such
scientific findings confront, what is mistakenly associated with
religious dogmas.
Another example being the effect carbon dating has on the
creationists belief. It at least 'shakes up' their views, but of
course, some hold on even tighter to their old images, as though new
insights will somehow diminish the truth of what is really happening.
Both sides of the argument refer to historical timing, but if the
religionist is willing to change his reference from local timing ( the
insignificant 'dot' of a planet revolving around a third rate star in
a fourth rate galaxy),to cosmological time scales, then it doesnt
sound ludicrous at all. This is a measure of spiritual growth, often
referred to as an expanding consciousness
If god exists in some form, then surely, it is only when we are each
willing to look deeper into form'ation, can we get closer to the
deeper truths.
Religions at best, are stepping stones, and at worst, are the sort of
stones used for stoning "metaphorically as well as literally".
BOfL[/quote] |
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| Kevin B. Murphy... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:02 pm |
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I've made reference to the fifth half eye... If you look in the mirror or at
your partner and cross your eyes until two of the four eyes that you are
seeing overlap... that is what I'm making reference to... the fifth half eye
or third eye if you insist. There is a biblical passage which portrays a
being covered with eyes, inside and out... There is the mentality of a
person who lives his life by avoiding being in the wrong place at the wrong
time... Some might associate it with a criminal or a thief mentality.
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| Kevin B. Murphy... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:51 pm |
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Here is another one for your interest... moving your head as if your eyes
are drawing infinity symbols... it may actually be where the infinity symbol
came from but that would be pure speculation on my part... The funny thing
is that there are two differant motions for this... one is like parallel
infinity symbols and the other is like snake eyes... could it be nature's
answer to nod means no, shake your head means yes?
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| BOfL... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:53 pm |
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On Oct 23, 11:25 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 23, 11:17 am, "bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com" <bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
The 'third eye' has been depicted in a number of ancient cultures,
usually with spiritual or psychic connotations. (To me, spirituality
is to religion as symphonic music is to rap).
Many forms of yoga teach the technique of focusing on what is called
the 'tisra til'. Seers often say that is the point in which different
visions crystallize, or a 'gateway' to parallel realities
To the uninitiated, this (validly) sounded like so much mumbo jumbo.
When the pineal gland was first identified, it was seen as a 'lump'
with no perceived usefulness. It was then seen to be a light sensitive
gland, from which all other components of the endocrinology system
connect. Approaching night, melatonin is triggered, as with serotonin
with the sunrise.
Further investigation, discovered structures of hammers and cones
identical to those in the cornea...!
This is a good example of how religious conditioning can block the day
to day value of such scientific based discovery, because such
scientific findings confront, what is mistakenly associated with
religious dogmas.
Another example being the effect carbon dating has on the
creationists belief. It at least 'shakes up' their views, but of
course, some hold on even tighter to their old images, as though new
insights will somehow diminish the truth of what is really happening.
Both sides of the argument refer to historical timing, but if the
religionist is willing to change his reference from local timing ( the
insignificant 'dot' of a planet revolving around a third rate star in
a fourth rate galaxy),to cosmological time scales, then it doesnt
sound ludicrous at all. This is a measure of spiritual growth, often
referred to as an expanding consciousness
If god exists in some form, then surely, it is only when we are each
willing to look deeper into form'ation, can we get closer to the
deeper truths.
Religions at best, are stepping stones, and at worst, are the sort of
stones used for stoning "metaphorically as well as literally".
BOfL
The law of averages states that if one makes millions of assertions
based on religious dogma, a certain percentage of those are bound to
also be confirmed in science, although for different reasons. It
doesn't mean anything beyond the fact that science found evidence why
that particular dogma is correct. Some people tend to ignore the
fact that science disproved 100,000 such assertions for each one of
them that were proven correct. In other words, if you put a million
monkey in a large concert hall on a million pianos, for a million
years, eventually you're going to hear Handel's Messiah.- Hide quoted text -
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[/quote]
If you actually believe that, you will be very disappointed. You will
still be waiting for the monkeys to do something, by then' you will
have forgotten what it is, and will have missed out on a million years
of evolution in music.If they are not equipped to hear it as we are,
they certainly wont be able to compose, then play. On the same
argument, they will also have built their own aircraft, and will be
flying to gigs.
Sounds like the basis of a sci fi series :-)
On your specific claim, name a few of the thousands of examples of
such proof, but be specific with your premises, such as using time as
a measure, for ,say, the age of the earth. Is the term 'cosmic day' as
relevant to 'creation' stories as 'earth day' is to the planet? We can
be quite arrogant in our local labelling.
Even the term dogma can be questioned, from a subjective pov. If
someone is having repeatable phenomenal experiences by focusing on the
third eye, then it is not dogma, but if another is following the
procedure, in the belief it is doing him good, with no experiential
proof, then he is being dogmatic.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:00 pm |
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On Oct 24, 1:19 am, haiku jones <575jo... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 23, 8:17 am, "bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com" <bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
The 'third eye' has been depicted in a number of ancient cultures,
usually with spiritual or psychic connotations. (To me, spirituality
is to religion as symphonic music is to rap).
Many forms of yoga teach the technique of focusing on what is called
the 'tisra til'. Seers often say that is the point in which different
visions crystallize, or a 'gateway' to parallel realities
To the uninitiated, this (validly) sounded like so much mumbo jumbo.
When the pineal gland was first identified, it was seen as a 'lump'
with no perceived usefulness. It was then seen to be a light sensitive
gland, from which all other components of the endocrinology system
connect. Approaching night, melatonin is triggered, as with serotonin
with the sunrise.
Further investigation, discovered structures of hammers and cones
identical to those in the cornea...!
Beg pardon? There is a bone informally called
the hammer in the middle ear; cones are in the
retina.
Haiku Jones
This is a good example of how religious conditioning can block the day
to day value of such scientific based discovery, because such
scientific findings confront, what is mistakenly associated with
religious dogmas.
Another example being the effect carbon dating has on the
creationists belief. It at least 'shakes up' their views, but of
course, some hold on even tighter to their old images, as though new
insights will somehow diminish the truth of what is really happening.
Both sides of the argument refer to historical timing, but if the
religionist is willing to change his reference from local timing ( the
insignificant 'dot' of a planet revolving around a third rate star in
a fourth rate galaxy),to cosmological time scales, then it doesnt
sound ludicrous at all. This is a measure of spiritual growth, often
referred to as an expanding consciousness
If god exists in some form, then surely, it is only when we are each
willing to look deeper into form'ation, can we get closer to the
deeper truths.
Religions at best, are stepping stones, and at worst, are the sort of
stones used for stoning "metaphorically as well as literally".
BOfL- Hide quoted text -
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Sorry, I meant rods and cones, and got my labelling confused.
So much for the spelling mistakes :-)
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| Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:06 pm |
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On Oct 24, 6:51 am, "Kevin B. Murphy" <kmurphy... at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
[quote]Here is another one for your interest... moving your head as if your eyes
are drawing infinity symbols... it may actually be where the infinity symbol
came from but that would be pure speculation on my part... The funny thing
is that there are two differant motions for this... one is like parallel
infinity symbols and the other is like snake eyes... could it be nature's
answer to nod means no, shake your head means yes?
--
Tell it to the Marines.
[/quote]
Im sure you have noticed that Many Hindus make such a movement with
their head when they are in conversation.
The practical use may be similar to the benefit of yoga eye exercises,
(remarkable) reducing the need for optometrists, just like the poor
market for chiropractors in Muslim countries, the way they perform
their back exercises each day.
There are many practical benefits that can be observed from dogmatic
activities.
BOfL |
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In article <cf9fa34a-6e4b-44af-941f-89573e8b5cb7 at (no spam) o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com>,
bigfletch8 at (no spam) gmail.com <bigfletch8 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]The 'third eye' has been depicted in a number of ancient cultures,
[...]
When the pineal gland was first identified, it was seen as a 'lump'
with no perceived usefulness. It was then seen to be a light sensitive
gland, from which all other components of the endocrinology system
connect. Approaching night, melatonin is triggered, as with serotonin
with the sunrise.
Further investigation, discovered structures of hammers and cones
[/quote]
Shouldn't that be hammers and tongs?
[quote]identical to those in the cornea...!
[/quote]
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| Kevin B. Murphy... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:43 am |
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On 23-Oct-2009, BOfL <bigfletch8 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Im sure you have noticed that Many Hindus make such a movement with
their head when they are in conversation.
The practical use may be similar to the benefit of yoga eye exercises,
(remarkable) reducing the need for optometrists, just like the poor
market for chiropractors in Muslim countries, the way they perform
their back exercises each day.
There are many practical benefits that can be observed from dogmatic
activities.
[/quote]
No, I actually didn't know this kind of stuff was Hindu... Hindu's aren't
nearly as crazy as I am. If what you are saying is true, then what we have
are military drills here in the west... I practically have a catalog of
these sorts of routines but the syntax is in the English language... My most
recent drill routine is for 'psychotic weird cop' or something.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:28 am |
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On Oct 23, 10:53 pm, BOfL <bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 23, 11:25 pm, Jimbo <ckdbig... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 23, 11:17 am, "bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com" <bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
The 'third eye' has been depicted in a number of ancient cultures,
usually with spiritual or psychic connotations. (To me, spirituality
is to religion as symphonic music is to rap).
Many forms of yoga teach the technique of focusing on what is called
the 'tisra til'. Seers often say that is the point in which different
visions crystallize, or a 'gateway' to parallel realities
To the uninitiated, this (validly) sounded like so much mumbo jumbo.
When the pineal gland was first identified, it was seen as a 'lump'
with no perceived usefulness. It was then seen to be a light sensitive
gland, from which all other components of the endocrinology system
connect. Approaching night, melatonin is triggered, as with serotonin
with the sunrise.
Further investigation, discovered structures of hammers and cones
identical to those in the cornea...!
This is a good example of how religious conditioning can block the day
to day value of such scientific based discovery, because such
scientific findings confront, what is mistakenly associated with
religious dogmas.
Another example being the effect carbon dating has on the
creationists belief. It at least 'shakes up' their views, but of
course, some hold on even tighter to their old images, as though new
insights will somehow diminish the truth of what is really happening.
Both sides of the argument refer to historical timing, but if the
religionist is willing to change his reference from local timing ( the
insignificant 'dot' of a planet revolving around a third rate star in
a fourth rate galaxy),to cosmological time scales, then it doesnt
sound ludicrous at all. This is a measure of spiritual growth, often
referred to as an expanding consciousness
If god exists in some form, then surely, it is only when we are each
willing to look deeper into form'ation, can we get closer to the
deeper truths.
Religions at best, are stepping stones, and at worst, are the sort of
stones used for stoning "metaphorically as well as literally".
BOfL
The law of averages states that if one makes millions of assertions
based on religious dogma, a certain percentage of those are bound to
also be confirmed in science, although for different reasons. It
doesn't mean anything beyond the fact that science found evidence why
that particular dogma is correct. Some people tend to ignore the
fact that science disproved 100,000 such assertions for each one of
them that were proven correct. In other words, if you put a million
monkey in a large concert hall on a million pianos, for a million
years, eventually you're going to hear Handel's Messiah.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
If you actually believe that, you will be very disappointed. You will
still be waiting for the monkeys to do something, by then' you will
have forgotten what it is, and will have missed out on a million years
of evolution in music.If they are not equipped to hear it as we are,
they certainly wont be able to compose, then play.
[/quote]
If you would read more carefully, it wasn't about composing, it is
about the law of averages. You missed the point entirely. |
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| Kevin B. Murphy... |
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On 24-Oct-2009, "Kevin B. Murphy" <kmurphy004 at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
[quote]No, I actually didn't know this kind of stuff was Hindu... Hindu's aren't
nearly as crazy as I am. If what you are saying is true, then what we
have
are military drills here in the west... I practically have a catalog of
these sorts of routines but the syntax is in the English language... My
most
recent drill routine is for 'psychotic weird cop' or something.
[/quote]
In any event the 'psychotic cop' drill ends by the cop shooting at the shoes
on the power line because... shoes on the power line are an act of
treason... real cops don't care about treason... cops are not military.
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| bob young... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:34 pm |
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"bigfletch8 at (no spam) gmail.com" wrote:
[quote]The 'third eye' has been depicted in a number of ancient cultures,
usually with spiritual or psychic connotations. (To me, spirituality
is to religion as symphonic music is to rap).
Many forms of yoga teach the technique of focusing on what is called
the 'tisra til'. Seers often say that is the point in which different
visions crystallize, or a 'gateway' to parallel realities
To the uninitiated, this (validly) sounded like so much mumbo jumbo.
When the pineal gland was first identified, it was seen as a 'lump'
with no perceived usefulness. It was then seen to be a light sensitive
gland, from which all other components of the endocrinology system
connect. Approaching night, melatonin is triggered, as with serotonin
with the sunrise.
Further investigation, discovered structures of hammers and cones
identical to those in the cornea...!
This is a good example of how religious conditioning can block the day
to day value of such scientific based discovery, because such
scientific findings confront, what is mistakenly associated with
religious dogmas.
Another example being the effect carbon dating has on the
creationists belief. It at least 'shakes up' their views, but of
course, some hold on even tighter to their old images, as though new
insights will somehow diminish the truth of what is really happening.
Both sides of the argument refer to historical timing, but if the
religionist is willing to change his reference from local timing ( the
insignificant 'dot' of a planet revolving around a third rate star in
a fourth rate galaxy),to cosmological time scales, then it doesnt
sound ludicrous at all. This is a measure of spiritual growth, often
referred to as an expanding consciousness
If god exists in some form, then surely, it is only when we are each
willing to look deeper into form'ation, can we get closer to the
deeper truths.
Religions at best, are stepping stones, and at worst, are the sort of
stones used for stoning "metaphorically as well as literally".
BOfL
[/quote]
Thanks - meaningful indeed.
Bob
Humanist, atheist, realist, sentimentalist Brit.
Man creates his gods in his own image,
then spends the rest of his life
manipulating them to his heart's content
R E L I G I O N - it is all in the mind,
an escape from life's realities and hardships,
sixty percent ritual, forty percent fantasy |
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Jimbo wrote:
[quote]On Oct 23, 11:17 am, "bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com" <bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
The 'third eye' has been depicted in a number of ancient cultures,
usually with spiritual or psychic connotations. (To me, spirituality
is to religion as symphonic music is to rap).
Many forms of yoga teach the technique of focusing on what is called
the 'tisra til'. Seers often say that is the point in which different
visions crystallize, or a 'gateway' to parallel realities
To the uninitiated, this (validly) sounded like so much mumbo jumbo.
When the pineal gland was first identified, it was seen as a 'lump'
with no perceived usefulness. It was then seen to be a light sensitive
gland, from which all other components of the endocrinology system
connect. Approaching night, melatonin is triggered, as with serotonin
with the sunrise.
Further investigation, discovered structures of hammers and cones
identical to those in the cornea...!
This is a good example of how religious conditioning can block the day
to day value of such scientific based discovery, because such
scientific findings confront, what is mistakenly associated with
religious dogmas.
Another example being the effect carbon dating has on the
creationists belief. It at least 'shakes up' their views, but of
course, some hold on even tighter to their old images, as though new
insights will somehow diminish the truth of what is really happening.
Both sides of the argument refer to historical timing, but if the
religionist is willing to change his reference from local timing ( the
insignificant 'dot' of a planet revolving around a third rate star in
a fourth rate galaxy),to cosmological time scales, then it doesnt
sound ludicrous at all. This is a measure of spiritual growth, often
referred to as an expanding consciousness
If god exists in some form, then surely, it is only when we are each
willing to look deeper into form'ation, can we get closer to the
deeper truths.
Religions at best, are stepping stones, and at worst, are the sort of
stones used for stoning "metaphorically as well as literally".
BOfL
The law of averages states that if one makes millions of assertions
based on religious dogma, a certain percentage of those are bound to
also be confirmed in science, although for different reasons. It
doesn't mean anything beyond the fact that science found evidence why
that particular dogma is correct. Some people tend to ignore the
fact that science disproved 100,000 such assertions for each one of
them that were proven correct. In other words, if you put a million
monkey in a large concert hall on a million pianos, for a million
years, eventually you're going to hear Handel's Messiah.
[/quote]
By that time they must be capapable of verbal communication, so by the same
yardstick, one of 'em would be playing the Messiah whilst dedicating it to
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"Kevin B. Murphy" wrote:
[quote]I've made reference to the fifth half eye... If you look in the mirror or at
your partner and cross your eyes until two of the four eyes that you are
seeing overlap... that is what I'm making reference to... the fifth half eye
or third eye if you insist. There is a biblical passage which portrays a
being covered with eyes, inside and out... There is the mentality of a
person who lives his life by avoiding being in the wrong place at the wrong
time... Some might associate it with a criminal or a thief mentality.
--
Tell it to the Marines.
[/quote]
Good grief - that's an old one, my Lincolnshire mother used to say that.
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