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| pautrey2... |
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[quote]Homeopathy/cell salts are bunk. In the 19th century
it didn't matter much given the dangers of more
conventional medicine of the era.
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http://www.homeoint.org/books5/paterson/intro.htm
THE BOWEL NOSODES
BY John Paterson M. B., Ch. B., D. P. H. (Camb.), F. F. Hom.
Presented by Médi-T.
INTRODUCTION
In 1936 I presented a paper to the British Homœopathic Society, which
was published in their Journal of April 1936, under the title of "The
potentized Drug and Its Action on the Bowel Flora" and it dealt with
the clinical and bacteriological observations on 12,000 cases. A brief
summary of the findings is as follows :
http://www.homeoint.org/books5/paterson/intro.htm
On Oct 29, 6:18 pm, "trigonometry1... at (no spam) gmail.com |"
<trigonometry1... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 29, 5:02 am, pautrey2 <rpautr... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 23, 10:52 pm, "trigonometry1... at (no spam) gmail.com |"
trigonometry1... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 23, 5:04 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
http://www.aanmc.org/
The Association of Accredited Naturopathic Medical Colleges (AANMC)
was established ... efforts of accredited and recognized schools of
naturopathic medicine.
http://www.naturalhealers.com/qa/naturopathic-medicine.shtml
Naturopathic Medicine Schools & Careers
Learn About Naturopathic Medicine Careers and Naturopathy
Infrastructure
Naturopathy Schools | Natural Healers Career Resource Center
Thanks Jan. I did learn something and it pushed me a bit
more toward Mark and Oyster's position. Not all
the way just a couple of feet.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wishy%20washy
Homeopathy/cell salts are bunk. In the 19th century
it didn't matter much given the dangers of more
conventional medicine of the era. But now the conventional
medicine are more effective though highly imperfect.
Naturopathy could be so much more
than it is. My view of alternative care came by way a DO whose
used some elements of naturopathy in that he was willing to
use drugs, amino acids, nutrients, vitamin D, and certain hormones
in different ways than conventional medicine.
We differ on what good care involves. It is as if I am
on a different corner of a triangle. Mark is a different
corner and you are on the remaining one. I am about
what works and what doesn't. Sometimes I am just
thinking out loud and at other times I playing and
trying on ideas. I hope I am about process not
foregone conclusions.
Take for example the vaccine controversy, there
those who doubt all vaccines and those who support
all vaccines. It seems to me these are roles perhaps
even needed roles. But it also seems to me, that
the ideal/ the reality of what approaches optimal
is going to be something a bit different than each
of these camps would claim.
Would I use an herbal remedy? Sure in that I have.
And they've worked or helped.
Would I go to MD to get an antibiotic? I have
done that. Would I go to the county health
department office and get the hep A and B shot
series? I've done that. Have I taken the
recent flu shots? No. And I figure my innate
immune system is better shape the major
here or in the general population and that
I am much less prone to range of ailments
include than the influenza. Do I take nutriceuticals
and vitamins on a daily basis with good and
profound effects, I certainly do. Do these
displace conventional drugs certainly while being
MORE effective than conventional drugs, certainly.
So instead of having adverse effects from conventional
med, I get additional beneficial effects :-)
I see cell salts as a useless distraction and as
something that needs to be dropped from
alternative medicine. I get that it is an article
of faith and that is the problem. In the vaccine
controversy, I suspect neither camp here has quite
got it right. While clearly I am closer to Mark and his
crew on the vaccine issue, I allow room for some
doubt and certainly room of other means of keeping
the immune system healthy and strong besides
vaccines. Nor do I see vaccines as without some
risks. And in theory some truly bad risks at that.
There is far far too little research in preventative
health and much of what has been been
clearly flawed like the defunct SELECT study.
There were complaints about that study even before
it was started and one associated researcher
even admitted to some of its having failings after
it was shut down.
Do I shift opinions at times? Yes. Do my views neatly fit in
either camp? No.
Is that wishy washy enough for you?
I certainly hope so.........................................Trig- Hide quoted text -
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| pautrey... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:49 pm |
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| Jan Drew... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:39 pm |
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On Oct 23, 8:49�pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 23, 8:04�pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
http://www.aanmc.org/
The Association of Accredited Naturopathic Medical Colleges (AANMC)
was established ... efforts of accredited and recognized schools of
naturopathic medicine.
http://www.naturalhealers.com/qa/naturopathic-medicine.shtml
Naturopathic Medicine Schools & Careers
Learn About Naturopathic Medicine Careers and Naturopathy
Infrastructure
Naturopathy Schools | Natural Healers Career Resource Center
Witch Doctor Schools.
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Actually, they are not they are Accredited Naturopathic Medical
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| Jan Drew... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:45 pm |
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On Oct 28, 6:07�pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 23, 11:52�pm, "trigonometry1... at (no spam) gmail.com |"
trigonometry1... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 23, 5:04�pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
http://www.aanmc.org/
The Association of Accredited Naturopathic Medical Colleges (AANMC)
was established ... efforts of accredited and recognized schools of
naturopathic medicine.
http://www.naturalhealers.com/qa/naturopathic-medicine.shtml
Naturopathic Medicine Schools & Careers
Learn About Naturopathic Medicine Careers and Naturopathy
Infrastructure
Naturopathy Schools | Natural Healers Career Resource Center
Thanks Jan. I did learn something and it pushed me a bit
more toward Mark and Oyster's position. Not all
the way just a couple of feet.
In the past few years, when I see a story about a person who was going
for conventional medical treatment and was dissuaded from continuing,
it has been a naturopath who did it. I do not recall a chiropractor,
DO, or any other professional who interfers with an established doctor-
patient relationship.
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**Call me Mark "Diversion" Probert.**
Forget that again?
Or, **Anecdotes are not facts. They are, at best interesting stories.
At
worst, outright lies.** Mark Probert |
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| Jan Drew... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:48 pm |
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On Oct 29, 10:23�am, Mark Probert <mark.prob... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 29, 7:59�am, pautrey2 <rpautr... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 28, 5:07�pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 23, 11:52�pm, "trigonometry1... at (no spam) gmail.com |"
trigonometry1... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 23, 5:04�pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
http://www.aanmc.org/
The Association of Accredited Naturopathic Medical Colleges (AANMC)
was established ... efforts of accredited and recognized schools of
naturopathic medicine.
http://www.naturalhealers.com/qa/naturopathic-medicine.shtml
Naturopathic Medicine Schools & Careers
Learn About Naturopathic Medicine Careers and Naturopathy
Infrastructure
Naturopathy Schools | Natural Healers Career Resource Center
Thanks Jan. I did learn something and it pushed me a bit
more toward Mark and Oyster's position. Not all
the way just a couple of feet.
In the past few years, when I see a story about a person who was going
for conventional medical treatment and was dissuaded from continuing,
it has been a naturopath who did it. I do not recall a chiropractor,
DO, or any other professional who interfers with an established doctor-
patient relationship.- Hide quoted text -
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudologia_fantastica-
Did you have anything intelligent to say, because if you did, your
software stripped it out of your message.
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Chalk up another lie from Mark S Probert. |
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| Jan Drew... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:52 pm |
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On Oct 30, 2:23�am, "trigonometry1... at (no spam) gmail.com |"
<trigonometry1... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 29, 8:33�pm, pautrey2 <rpautr... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:> > Is that wishy washy enough for you?
Yes.
Are you Peter B? In alter ego form?
Trig
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Do you know how to find hosting posts? |
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| Jan Drew... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:55 pm |
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Troll.
From: "Peter B." <i... at (no spam) i-brag.com>
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| Jan Drew... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:58 pm |
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On Oct 30, 6:39�pm, "Peter B." <i... at (no spam) i-brag.com> troll blathered.
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Nothing but off topic and insults. |
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| Peter B.... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 4:39 pm |
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"pautrey2" <rpautrey2 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:af64b617-c41a-418c-b08c-c1fe734620ff at (no spam) d5g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 23, 10:47 pm, "Peter B." <i... at (no spam) i-brag.com> wrote:
[quote]"Jan Drew" <jdrew63... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote in message
news:d373a21f-0299-4d2e-b3db-e0e1759b2439 at (no spam) m20g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...
http://www.aanmc.org/
The Association of Accredited Naturopathic Medical Colleges (AANMC)
was established ... efforts of accredited and recognized schools of
naturopathic medicine.
http://www.naturalhealers.com/qa/naturopathic-medicine.shtml
Naturopathic Medicine Schools & Careers
Learn About Naturopathic Medicine Careers and Naturopathy
Infrastructure
Naturopathy Schools | Natural Healers Career Resource Center
What happened to Horticulture?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffoon
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I realize you're proud of your new found skills for posting links,
However, I have already seen your pic, and trust me, once is more than
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| trigonometry1972 at (no spam) gmail.com |... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:58 pm |
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On Oct 30, 4:52 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 30, 2:23 am, "trigonometry1... at (no spam) gmail.com |"
trigonometry1... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 29, 8:33 pm, pautrey2 <rpautr... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:> > Is that wishy washy enough for you?
Yes.
Are you Peter B? In alter ego form?
Trig
Do you know how to find hosting posts?
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I only meant pautrey2 was posting in
a style similar to that of Peter B the
seconds.
At times I have taken a close look
at posting try to determine a bit
more about the source. But I rarely
do it and frankly I have little interest
beyond the face value of authors pen name
and its google history.
I am often surprised at the number
of hits my Google profile gets which
I alter now and then for its audience.
One glass of wine and two cups of
coffee...................................Trig |
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| Mark Probert... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:02 pm |
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On Oct 23, 11:52 pm, "trigonometry1... at (no spam) gmail.com |"
<trigonometry1... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 23, 5:04 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
http://www.aanmc.org/
The Association of Accredited Naturopathic Medical Colleges (AANMC)
was established ... efforts of accredited and recognized schools of
naturopathic medicine.
http://www.naturalhealers.com/qa/naturopathic-medicine.shtml
Naturopathic Medicine Schools & Careers
Learn About Naturopathic Medicine Careers and Naturopathy
Infrastructure
Naturopathy Schools | Natural Healers Career Resource Center
Thanks Jan. I did learn something and it pushed me a bit
more toward Mark and Oyster's position. Not all
the way just a couple of feet.
[/quote]
You'll get there eventually.
One step at a time. |
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| Mark Probert... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:20 pm |
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On Oct 29, 7:18 pm, "trigonometry1... at (no spam) gmail.com |"
<trigonometry1... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 29, 5:02 am, pautrey2 <rpautr... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 23, 10:52 pm, "trigonometry1... at (no spam) gmail.com |"
trigonometry1... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 23, 5:04 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
http://www.aanmc.org/
The Association of Accredited Naturopathic Medical Colleges (AANMC)
was established ... efforts of accredited and recognized schools of
naturopathic medicine.
http://www.naturalhealers.com/qa/naturopathic-medicine.shtml
Naturopathic Medicine Schools & Careers
Learn About Naturopathic Medicine Careers and Naturopathy
Infrastructure
Naturopathy Schools | Natural Healers Career Resource Center
Thanks Jan. I did learn something and it pushed me a bit
more toward Mark and Oyster's position. Not all
the way just a couple of feet.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wishy%20washy
Homeopathy/cell salts are bunk. In the 19th century
it didn't matter much given the dangers of more
conventional medicine of the era. But now the conventional
medicine are more effective though highly imperfect.
Naturopathy could be so much more
than it is. My view of alternative care came by way a DO whose
used some elements of naturopathy in that he was willing to
use drugs, amino acids, nutrients, vitamin D, and certain hormones
in different ways than conventional medicine.
We differ on what good care involves. It is as if I am
on a different corner of a triangle. Mark is a different
corner and you are on the remaining one. I am about
what works and what doesn't. Sometimes I am just
thinking out loud and at other times I playing and
trying on ideas. I hope I am about process not
foregone conclusions.
Take for example the vaccine controversy, there
those who doubt all vaccines and those who support
all vaccines.
[/quote]
You are not framing the issue correctly. It is a question of those of
us who support science and the science supporting safety and efficacy
of vaccinations, versus those who deny science and substitute fear,
fables and foolishness.
There is this thread which is the perfect example. It is the one where
Scumamore posts an article about questions. The very first question,
the one about doulber blind studies, has been blown out by Jeff and my
postings. However, that has not changed anything.
The fact is, it is a war between science and ignorance. |
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| Mark Probert... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:22 pm |
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On Oct 30, 7:39 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 23, 8:49 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 23, 8:04 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
http://www.aanmc.org/
The Association of Accredited Naturopathic Medical Colleges (AANMC)
was established ... efforts of accredited and recognized schools of
naturopathic medicine.
http://www.naturalhealers.com/qa/naturopathic-medicine.shtml
Naturopathic Medicine Schools & Careers
Learn About Naturopathic Medicine Careers and Naturopathy
Infrastructure
Naturopathy Schools | Natural Healers Career Resource Center
Witch Doctor Schools.
Actually, they are not they are Accredited Naturopathic Medical
Colleges.-
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OK, they are accredited Witch Doctor Schools.
Happy, now? |
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| Mark Probert... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:24 pm |
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On Oct 30, 7:45 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 28, 6:07 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 23, 11:52 pm, "trigonometry1... at (no spam) gmail.com |"
trigonometry1... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 23, 5:04 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
http://www.aanmc.org/
The Association of Accredited Naturopathic Medical Colleges (AANMC)
was established ... efforts of accredited and recognized schools of
naturopathic medicine.
http://www.naturalhealers.com/qa/naturopathic-medicine.shtml
Naturopathic Medicine Schools & Careers
Learn About Naturopathic Medicine Careers and Naturopathy
Infrastructure
Naturopathy Schools | Natural Healers Career Resource Center
Thanks Jan. I did learn something and it pushed me a bit
more toward Mark and Oyster's position. Not all
the way just a couple of feet.
In the past few years, when I see a story about a person who was going
for conventional medical treatment and was dissuaded from continuing,
it has been a naturopath who did it. I do not recall a chiropractor,
DO, or any other professional who interfers with an established doctor-
patient relationship.
**Call me Mark "Diversion" Probert.**
Forget that again?
[/quote]
There is no diversion there. I was discussing Nturopthic Witch
Doctors.
[quote]Or, **Anecdotes are not facts. They are, at best interesting stories.
At
worst, outright lies.** Mark Probert-
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I was not trying to prove a scientific fact, which is what I was
addressing when I said that. I have explained that to you several
times, but, your mind is incapable of understanding that. |
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| Mark Probert... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:24 pm |
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On Oct 30, 7:48 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 29, 10:23 am, Mark Probert <mark.prob... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 29, 7:59 am, pautrey2 <rpautr... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 28, 5:07 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 23, 11:52 pm, "trigonometry1... at (no spam) gmail.com |"
trigonometry1... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 23, 5:04 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
http://www.aanmc.org/
The Association of Accredited Naturopathic Medical Colleges (AANMC)
was established ... efforts of accredited and recognized schools of
naturopathic medicine.
http://www.naturalhealers.com/qa/naturopathic-medicine.shtml
Naturopathic Medicine Schools & Careers
Learn About Naturopathic Medicine Careers and Naturopathy
Infrastructure
Naturopathy Schools | Natural Healers Career Resource Center
Thanks Jan. I did learn something and it pushed me a bit
more toward Mark and Oyster's position. Not all
the way just a couple of feet.
In the past few years, when I see a story about a person who was going
for conventional medical treatment and was dissuaded from continuing,
it has been a naturopath who did it. I do not recall a chiropractor,
DO, or any other professional who interfers with an established doctor-
patient relationship.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudologia_fantastica-
Did you have anything intelligent to say, because if you did, your
software stripped it out of your message.
Chalk up another lie from Mark S Probert.-
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There is no lie there, idiot. |
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