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| HVAC... |
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"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner at (no spam) optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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[quote]
Would you like to point out which scientific fields aliens and alien
invasions come under?
I'd be glad to.
Cryptozoology, astrobiology, exobiology, xenobiology, exopaleontology,
bioastronomy and exopoloitics.
[/quote]
These things might fly on tv shows like 'Fringe'.
In the real world of science, all those subjects come
under the heading of 'bullshit'.
[quote]Or crop circles? A bunch of drunken Brits tramping round in the dark?
Cerealogy.
[/quote]
Hahahahahahaha! Why not Cornflakesology ?
[quote]Now, answer my question.
Who's saying that the subjects on Coast to Coast AM are wacky?
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| george... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:34 am |
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On Oct 30, 7:16 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer... at (no spam) optushome.com.au>
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[quote]george wrote:
Have a look at this dramatic night vision footage of a large triangle flying
across the sky and see what you think.
And you'll notice that its not fuzzy and out of focus.http://ufodisclosurecountdownclock.blogspot.com/2009/10/exopolitics-g...
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Of course it isn't out of focus or fuzzy.
Had it been you wouldn't have posted the link.
However it -is- heavily edited and the 'triangle isn't solid but a
group of lights that are moving at around the same speed as the
airliner pointed out at the beginning of the video.
My guess is that it is a software artifact. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 9:37 am |
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On Oct 31, 1:23 am, "HVAC" <harlowcampb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer... at (no spam) optushome.com.au> wrote in message
news:4aea82ef$0$5419$afc38c87 at (no spam) news.optusnet.com.au...
Would you like to point out which scientific fields aliens and alien
invasions come under?
I'd be glad to.
Cryptozoology, astrobiology, exobiology, xenobiology, exopaleontology,
bioastronomy and exopoloitics.
These things might fly on tv shows like 'Fringe'.
[/quote]
And the total results from his 'scientific' fields reach all the way
up to nothing :-)
[quote]In the real world of science, all those subjects come
under the heading of 'bullshit'.
Or crop circles? A bunch of drunken Brits tramping round in the dark?
Cerealogy.
Hahahahahahaha! Why not Cornflakesology ?
Now, answer my question.
Who's saying that the subjects on Coast to Coast AM are wacky?
(More awkward silence)
[/quote]
I have a feeling that he should be confronting religious nutters
instead of having to present fact here. |
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| Andrew W... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 5:09 pm |
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HVAC wrote:
[quote]"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner at (no spam) optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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Look Andy..... Just face the fact that you are a natural born
sucker. Things will go easier on you after that.
Fact according to who?
Again, this fact is based on empirical evidence.
[/quote]
No. Its only fact according to closed minded conservative materialist
debunkers like yourself and loudmouthed public debunkers who only believe
the mainstream hard science fraternity and the government and military
disinformation campaigns for which there is proof by the way.
I have taken in vast amounts of properly checked out information over the
last ten years or so from hundreds of credible sources.
[quote]
You've acted* like a credulous rube in the past,
we can expect more of the same in the future.
[/quote]
I've done considerably more research since then.
You make assumptions about me based entirely on your closed minded beliefs
that only what the government and some old school scientists say is true
about ufos is actually the real truth and that the average individual *can't
possibly* be right.
You're the sucker, because you can't get your head around metaphysical
concepts so you just believe and propagate everything the government says.
You guys are what the Russian governments used to call useful idiots. You
bark loudly like vicious dogs and hope that everyone just runs away yelping
so that you can remain supreme ruler of these groups. Pure ego.
[quote]
*I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt saying
that you *acted* like a rube.
[/quote]
You don't know anything about me or what I know. Unless of course you work
for the government that is.
Its pretty telling that you've been in these groups nearly every day for at
about ten years.
You're either an unemployed bitter researcher who never found what he was
looking for, or a you're spook.
--
If you are a hard skeptic then you haven't researched or questioned
enough. If you believe something too much then you have the same
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| Andrew W... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:10 pm |
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HVAC wrote:
[quote]"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner at (no spam) optushome.com.au> wrote in message
news:4aea82ef$0$5419$afc38c87 at (no spam) news.optusnet.com.au...
Would you like to point out which scientific fields aliens and alien
invasions come under?
I'd be glad to.
Cryptozoology, astrobiology, exobiology, xenobiology,
exopaleontology, bioastronomy and exopoloitics.
These things might fly on tv shows like 'Fringe'.
In the real world of science, all those subjects come
under the heading of 'bullshit'.
[/quote]
Sorry, but those subjects are being studied by respected people.
Just because you can't handle those concepts...
The earth being round and rotating around the sun used to be considered very
fringe.
So did going to the moon. They are now fact.
You guys still continue to cling to the old school hard science attitudes.
That's getting very old.
The facts regarding ufos is unfortunately going to take a bit longer to come
out due to the very sticky military secrecy and politics issues.
The problem here is you guys only believe in the physical methodical
sciences. That's only 50% of the science field. The other 50% is the
metaphysical sciences. That's the new emerging science model.
[quote]
Or crop circles? A bunch of drunken Brits tramping round in the
dark?
Cerealogy.
Hahahahahahaha! Why not Cornflakesology ?
[/quote]
Hahaha. Yeah. Very funny.
No really.
[quote]
Now, answer my question.
Who's saying that the subjects on Coast to Coast AM are wacky?
(More awkward silence)
[/quote]
Why no answer?
Here's why. Because its only you cranks who are saying it and you don't
want to admit it.
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If you are a hard skeptic then you haven't researched or questioned
enough. If you believe something too much then you have the same
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| Andrew W... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 6:53 pm |
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HVAC wrote:
[quote]"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner at (no spam) optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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Who's saying that these things are wacky?
(Awkward silence)
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Only you guys. That's who.
[quote]
F.Y.I.
Scientists are not having a problem with these concepts any more.
Apparently
only you and a few other dinosaurs are.
Please list 5 of these 'scientists'.
I'll wait right here.
[/quote]
Just off the top of my head regading the metaphysical sciences field there
is -
Albert Einstein
Dr. Micho Kaku
Dr Bruce Lipton
Greg Braden
Among the earliest in the metaphysical sciences was Aristotle.
Among the scientific ufo field is -
Prof. John Mack (late)
J. Allen Hynek
Dr. Micho Kaku to some extent
Dr Kevin Randle
And more.
The list I posted the other day has others, plus there are further ones I
could dig up.
--
If you are a hard skeptic then you haven't researched or questioned
enough. If you believe something too much then you have the same
problem. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:01 pm |
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george wrote:
[quote]On Oct 31, 1:23 am, "HVAC" <harlowcampb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer... at (no spam) optushome.com.au> wrote in message
news:4aea82ef$0$5419$afc38c87 at (no spam) news.optusnet.com.au...
Would you like to point out which scientific fields aliens and
alien invasions come under?
I'd be glad to.
Cryptozoology, astrobiology, exobiology, xenobiology,
exopaleontology, bioastronomy and exopoloitics.
These things might fly on tv shows like 'Fringe'.
And the total results from his 'scientific' fields reach all the way
up to nothing :-)
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No. That was your head you just described. 
See I do have a sense of humour.
[quote]
In the real world of science, all those subjects come
under the heading of 'bullshit'.
Or crop circles? A bunch of drunken Brits tramping round in the
dark?
Cerealogy.
Hahahahahahaha! Why not Cornflakesology ?
Now, answer my question.
Who's saying that the subjects on Coast to Coast AM are wacky?
(More awkward silence)
I have a feeling that he should be confronting religious nutters
instead of having to present fact here.
[/quote]
Already done that.
--
If you are a hard skeptic then you haven't researched or questioned
enough. If you believe something too much then you have the same
problem. |
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| Andrew W... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 7:12 pm |
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george wrote:
[quote]On Oct 30, 7:16 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer... at (no spam) optushome.com.au
wrote:
george wrote:
Have a look at this dramatic night vision footage of a large
triangle flying
across the sky and see what you think.
And you'll notice that its not fuzzy and out of
focus.http://ufodisclosurecountdownclock.blogspot.com/2009/10/exopolitics-g...
Of course it isn't out of focus or fuzzy.
Had it been you wouldn't have posted the link.
However it -is- heavily edited and the 'triangle isn't solid but a
group of lights that are moving at around the same speed as the
airliner pointed out at the beginning of the video.
My guess is that it is a software artifact.
[/quote]
Editing doesn't really affect its credibility because uploads to youtube
have to be as small and succinct as possible.
And the object could well be solid. With the perfect uniformity and constant
perfect spacing I would say yes.
We don't have the technology to keep separate objects that precisely
together.
Anyway your opinion is appreciated and noted.
--
If you are a hard skeptic then you haven't researched or questioned
enough. If you believe something too much then you have the same
problem. |
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| HVAC... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:16 am |
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"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner at (no spam) optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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[quote]
Look Andy..... Just face the fact that you are a natural born
sucker. Things will go easier on you after that.
Again, this fact is based on empirical evidence.
No. Its only fact according to closed minded conservative materialist
debunkers like yourself and loudmouthed public debunkers who only believe
the mainstream hard science fraternity and the government and military
disinformation campaigns for which there is proof by the way.
[/quote]
Suggest my definition of 'proof' is slightly more conservative
than yours, since I require real proof....Not bullshit.
[quote]I have taken in vast amounts of properly checked out information over the
last ten years or so from hundreds of credible sources.
[/quote]
Proof. That's all I want. I don't care if you line up a million
witnesses including Jesus Horatio Christ himself, because
in scientific terms those million witnesses equal exactly squat.
[quote]You've acted* like a credulous rube in the past,
we can expect more of the same in the future.
I've done considerably more research since then.
You make assumptions about me based entirely on your closed minded beliefs
that only what the government and some old school scientists say is true
about ufos is actually the real truth and that the average individual
*can't possibly* be right.
[/quote]
Hello? Can you fucking hear me?
I want PROOF.
[quote]You're the sucker, because you can't get your head around metaphysical
concepts
[/quote]
Definition: metaphysics
a.. speculation upon questions that are unanswerable
a.. to scientific observation, analysis, or experiment.
There you have it. What you are doing is SPECULATING.
That's fine, speculate away. Just don't expect me to accept
as fact the bullshit that you speculate about.
[quote]so you just believe and propagate everything the government says.
[/quote]
Well now, Obama wouldn't lie to us would he?
He said his government would be 'transparent'.
[quote]You guys are what the Russian governments used to call useful idiots. You
bark loudly like vicious dogs and hope that everyone just runs away
yelping so that you can remain supreme ruler of these groups. Pure ego.
[/quote]
Wow! The Russians were talking about me and this group?
[quote]*I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt saying
that you *acted* like a rube.
You don't know anything about me or what I know. Unless of course you work
for the government that is.
[/quote]
How long are you paranoid conspiracy kooks gonna ride THAT scooter?
[quote]Its pretty telling that you've been in these groups nearly every day for
at about ten years.
You're either an unemployed bitter researcher who never found what he was
looking for, or a you're spook.
[/quote]
I hereby deny working directly for the
government of the United States of America.
Glad we got THAT settled. |
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| HVAC... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:36 am |
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"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner at (no spam) optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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[quote]
These things might fly on tv shows like 'Fringe'.
In the real world of science, all those subjects come
under the heading of 'bullshit'.
Sorry, but those subjects are being studied by respected people.
[/quote]
Like Hoagland? (snarf)
[quote]Just because you can't handle those concepts...
The earth being round and rotating around the sun used to be considered
very fringe.
[/quote]
Yet it was science that discovered this. Using scientific methods.
NOT metaphysics.
[quote]So did going to the moon.
[/quote]
Yet it was science that got us there. Using scientific methods.
NOT metaphysics.
[quote]They are now fact.
You guys still continue to cling to the old school hard science attitudes.
[/quote]
These 'hard science attitudes' has allowed us to move out of
the dark ages of pseudo-science, superstition and 'metaphysics'.
[quote]That's getting very old.
The facts regarding ufos is unfortunately going to take a bit longer to
come out due to the very sticky military secrecy and politics issues.
The problem here is you guys only believe in the physical methodical
sciences. That's only 50% of the science field. The other 50% is the
metaphysical sciences. That's the new emerging science model.
[/quote]
I hope not. Not in this country anyway. Those who allow religion and
metaphysics to cloud the truth will eventually be Darwined out.
They will be tossed into the scrapheap of history, along with those who
pray for god to change the weather and those who rattle beads to ward
off evil spirits.
--
"Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings." |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 9:46 am |
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On Nov 1, 2:36 am, "HVAC" <harlowcampb... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]I hope not. Not in this country anyway. Those who allow religion and
metaphysics to cloud the truth will eventually be Darwined out.
They will be tossed into the scrapheap of history, along with those who
pray for god to change the weather and those who rattle beads to ward
off evil spirits.
[/quote]
Religion demands its adherants believe ten (or more) impossible things
before breakfast.
Failure to do so gets them offside with the sect leaders who threaten
the questioners with no heaven.
This belief system transports itself into the various consspiracy
theories doing the rounds.
And of course this 'aliens in UFOs'
It is science we have to thank for extended lifetimes, for all the
technology we enjoy.
Religion gives hatred, mistrust, ignorance and bigotry and has
advanced humanity not one whit. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 10:11 am |
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On Oct 31, 1:53 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer... at (no spam) optushome.com.au>
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[quote]Just off the top of my head regading the metaphysical sciences field there
is -
Albert Einstein
[/quote]
Appeal to authority. Mistaking his quotes as science
[quote]Dr. Micho Kaku
[/quote]
Theoretical multiuniverse claims
[quote]Dr Bruce Lipton
[/quote]
Kook. Makes the claim that red blood cells have a nucleus
[quote]Greg Braden
Gregg Braden (Greg Braden) uses spurious science and contrived[/quote]
biblical references to back up his spiritual theories.
[quote]Among the earliest in the metaphysical sciences was Aristotle.
Before Aristotle (and some claim well after) there was no scientific[/quote]
method and therfore no science.
[quote]
Among the scientific ufo field is -
Prof. John Mack (late)
Believed in tales of alien abduction.
J. Allen Hynek
Was consultant astronomer to Project Bluebook. Obsessed
Dr. Micho Kaku to some extent
The possibility of mutliuniverses doesn't mean little green men.[/quote]
You've mentioned him twice
[quote]Dr Kevin Randle
Conspiracy kook. Buyabook
And more.
The list I posted the other day has others, plus there are further ones I
could dig up.
[/quote]
Yes and all of them will have the same or lesser credentials than
those you have already posted |
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On Oct 31, 10:24 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer... at (no spam) optushome.com.au>
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[quote]george wrote:
On Oct 31, 1:53 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer... at (no spam) optushome.com.au
wrote:
Just off the top of my head regading the metaphysical sciences field
there is -
Albert Einstein
Appeal to authority. Mistaking his quotes as science
Dr. Micho Kaku
Theoretical multiuniverse claims
Dr Bruce Lipton
Kook. Makes the claim that red blood cells have a nucleus
Greg Braden
Gregg Braden (Greg Braden) uses spurious science and contrived
biblical references to back up his spiritual theories.
Among the earliest in the metaphysical sciences was Aristotle.
Before Aristotle (and some claim well after) there was no scientific
method and therfore no science.
Among the scientific ufo field is -
Prof. John Mack (late)
Believed in tales of alien abduction.
J. Allen Hynek
Was consultant astronomer to Project Bluebook. Obsessed
Dr. Micho Kaku to some extent
The possibility of mutliuniverses doesn't mean little green men.
You've mentioned him twice
Dr Kevin Randle
Conspiracy kook. Buyabook
And more.
The list I posted the other day has others, plus there are further
ones I could dig up.
Yes and all of them will have the same or lesser credentials than
those you have already posted
Dumb American.
--
If you are a hard skeptic then you haven't researched or questioned
enough. If you believe something too much then you have the same
problem.
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George is exactly that, one of those dumb Americans. He has absolutely
nothing to offer unless it comes out of a book. He doesn't do any UFO
or para-normal research and acts like he's an expert. I've dismissed
him just like Tholen. He is most likely gov'mnt cheese. Bought and
paid for.......
RT |
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On Oct 31, 6:55 pm, vtcapo <vtc... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 31, 10:24 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer... at (no spam) optushome.com.au
wrote:
george wrote:
On Oct 31, 1:53 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer... at (no spam) optushome.com.au
wrote:
Just off the top of my head regading the metaphysical sciences field
there is -
Albert Einstein
Appeal to authority. Mistaking his quotes as science
Dr. Micho Kaku
Theoretical multiuniverse claims
Dr Bruce Lipton
Kook. Makes the claim that red blood cells have a nucleus
Greg Braden
Gregg Braden (Greg Braden) uses spurious science and contrived
biblical references to back up his spiritual theories.
Among the earliest in the metaphysical sciences was Aristotle.
Before Aristotle (and some claim well after) there was no scientific
method and therfore no science.
Among the scientific ufo field is -
Prof. John Mack (late)
Believed in tales of alien abduction.
J. Allen Hynek
Was consultant astronomer to Project Bluebook. Obsessed
Dr. Micho Kaku to some extent
The possibility of mutliuniverses doesn't mean little green men.
You've mentioned him twice
Dr Kevin Randle
Conspiracy kook. Buyabook
And more.
The list I posted the other day has others, plus there are further
ones I could dig up.
Yes and all of them will have the same or lesser credentials than
those you have already posted
Dumb American.
--
If you are a hard skeptic then you haven't researched or questioned
enough. If you believe something too much then you have the same
problem.
George is exactly that, one of those dumb Americans. He has absolutely
nothing to offer unless it comes out of a book. He doesn't do any UFO
or para-normal research and acts like he's an expert. I've dismissed
him just like Tholen. He is most likely gov'mnt cheese. Bought and
paid for.......
RT
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99.9% of Usenet/newsgroup contributors are either political or faith-
based spooks and moles (always cloaked as pretend-Atheists and social/
political Independents) that somehow manage to know all there is to
know.
I used to have a parrot that did pretty much the exact same thing.
~ BG |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:56 pm |
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HVAC wrote:
[quote]"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner at (no spam) optushome.com.au> wrote in message
news:4aeb7234$0$6092$afc38c87 at (no spam) news.optusnet.com.au...
Look Andy..... Just face the fact that you are a natural born
sucker. Things will go easier on you after that.
Again, this fact is based on empirical evidence.
No. Its only fact according to closed minded conservative materialist
debunkers like yourself and loudmouthed public debunkers who only
believe the mainstream hard science fraternity and the government
and military disinformation campaigns for which there is proof by
the way.
Suggest my definition of 'proof' is slightly more conservative
than yours, since I require real proof....Not bullshit.
[/quote]
'Bullshit' is your rube like opinion.
[quote]
I have taken in vast amounts of properly checked out information
over the last ten years or so from hundreds of credible sources.
Proof. That's all I want. I don't care if you line up a million
witnesses including Jesus Horatio Christ himself, because
in scientific terms those million witnesses equal exactly squat.
[/quote]
That kind of proof is not possible yet with the military/political world we
still live in.
If you can't understand that and you're too lazy to find out like most of us
already have then I can't help you.
[quote]
You've acted* like a credulous rube in the past,
we can expect more of the same in the future.
I've done considerably more research since then.
You make assumptions about me based entirely on your closed minded
beliefs that only what the government and some old school scientists
say is true about ufos is actually the real truth and that the
average individual *can't possibly* be right.
Hello? Can you fucking hear me?
I want PROOF.
[/quote]
How about a lollypop kiddy?
Grow up.
I'd like to see proof too but we can't yet.
[quote]
You're the sucker, because you can't get your head around
metaphysical concepts
Definition: metaphysics
a.. speculation upon questions that are unanswerable
a.. to scientific observation, analysis, or experiment.
There you have it. What you are doing is SPECULATING.
That's fine, speculate away. Just don't expect me to accept
as fact the bullshit that you speculate about.
[/quote]
Definition: metaphysics
1. the branch of philosophy that treats of first principles, includes
ontology and cosmology, and is intimately connected with epistemology.
2. philosophy, esp. in its more abstruse branches.
3. the underlying theoretical principles of a subject or field of inquiry.
4. (initial capital letter, italics) a treatise (4th century b.c.) by
Aristotle, dealing with first principles, the relation of universals to
particulars, and the teleological doctrine of causation.
Metaphysics is basically anything beyond the pure physical/material, which
science is now progressing on to.
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so you just believe and propagate everything the government says.
Well now, Obama wouldn't lie to us would he?
[/quote]
Are you serious? Obama is a politician. Politician are puppets. He has
already gone back on many if not all of his promises.
Every president has, and will continue to do so until the sheeple wake up
and replace the current bullshit political structure.
[quote]
He said his government would be 'transparent'.
[/quote]
Excuse me? Since when do you believe anything a politician says?
A politician will say anything to get elected. They're much like high
profile car salesman. Once the deal is done its back to the old policies
after a bit of re-heating and recycling.
You Americans are such dupes. The rest of the world is laughing at you all.
You had one president that had been a movie star (Reagan), the last was
barely literate.
Your presidency is a joke. Your elections are nothing but expensive
popularity contests.
[quote]
You guys are what the Russian governments used to call useful
idiots. You bark loudly like vicious dogs and hope that everyone
just runs away yelping so that you can remain supreme ruler of these
groups. Pure ego.
Wow! The Russians were talking about me and this group?
[/quote]
No silly. But the expression has become rather useful for how the govt. and
military uses ignorant debunkers to turn the public against each other.
[quote]
*I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt saying
that you *acted* like a rube.
You don't know anything about me or what I know. Unless of course
you work for the government that is.
How long are you paranoid conspiracy kooks gonna ride THAT scooter?
[/quote]
There's a lot you still need to learn about governments and military
secrets.
I can't believe its the 21st century, its the information age with the
internet, and there are still so many ignorant people in the world.
Its shameful. I guess you're just part of the older generation who can't
keep up with the fast changing modern age.
[quote]
Its pretty telling that you've been in these groups nearly every day
for at about ten years.
You're either an unemployed bitter researcher who never found what
he was looking for, or a you're spook.
I hereby deny working directly for the
government of the United States of America.
Glad we got THAT settled.
[/quote]
Ok.
You said 'directly'. Not sure what that means.
--
If you are a hard skeptic then you haven't researched or questioned
enough. If you believe something too much then you have the same
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