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| AZDuffman... |
 Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:45 am |
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US Steel producers say they can't compete so the governmet taxes
imported steel and actually gives this tax to the domestic producers.
The excuse is "the foreigh producers ger government subsidies."
US Auto producers in the early 80s got "voluntary" import restraint
agreements. They claimed foreign companies "sold below cost" in the
USA. (among other accusations)
Now the same democrats who gave us higher costs saying this is unfair
want to put a government-funded "public option" to compete with
privately owned insurance companies. Can someobe please explain how
it is good for government to say, "You charge and make too much, we
are going to undercut you. And to hell with your workers and
stockholders!"
So, isn't the government going to be "dumping" on health insurance
companies? |
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| AZDuffman... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:45 am |
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On Oct 22, 2:45 pm, "5228 Dead, 361 since 1/20/09" <d... at (no spam) dead.com>
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[quote]On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:45:59 -0700, AZDuffman wrote:
US Steel producers say they can't compete so the governmet taxes
imported steel and actually gives this tax to the domestic producers.
The excuse is "the foreigh producers ger government subsidies."
Gee, I thought you free market types absolutely hated tariffs.
[/quote]
I do. I also hate governent taking form one groupand giving to
another one. What is your point.
[quote]
US Auto producers in the early 80s got "voluntary" import restraint
agreements. They claimed foreign companies "sold below cost" in the
USA. (among other accusations)
Accusations that were without merit, and those foreign companies beat the
pants off them and forced them to compete anyway.
Now the same democrats who gave us higher costs saying this is unfair
want to put a government-funded "public option" to compete with
privately owned insurance companies. Can someobe please explain how it
is good for government to say, "You charge and make too much, we are
going to undercut you. And to hell with your workers and stockholders!"
So, isn't the government going to be "dumping" on health insurance
companies?
Let's see. US steel made steel. Toyota, Honda and the rest make cars.
What do insurance companies produce?
[/quote]
Uh, insurance and peace of mind? Planning for the unexpected? |
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| AZDuffman... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:18 pm |
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On Oct 22, 6:00 pm, "5228 Dead, 361 since 1/20/09"
<ze... at (no spam) finestplanet.com> wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:45:21 -0700 (PDT), AZDuffman
srduffy1... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 22, 2:45 pm, "5228 Dead, 361 since 1/20/09" <d... at (no spam) dead.com
wrote:
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:45:59 -0700, AZDuffman wrote:
US Steel producers say they can't compete so the governmet taxes
imported steel and actually gives this tax to the domestic producers..
The excuse is "the foreigh producers ger government subsidies."
Gee, I thought you free market types absolutely hated tariffs.
I do. I also hate governent taking form one groupand giving to
another one. What is your point.
So how is fostering competition taking from one group and giving to
another?
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It isn't fosteriong competition, it is a government takeover.
Government has no business competing with private companies.
[quote]What do insurance companies produce?
Uh, insurance and peace of mind? Planning for the unexpected?
And is there some reason the government can't do that even better?
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1. The government does nothing better as there is no profit motive to
improve.
2. Not the government's place to compete with private companies. How
would you feel if say you had a small grovcery store and the
government opened a bigger one across the street? |
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| 5228 Dead, 361 since 1/20/09... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 12:45 pm |
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On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:45:59 -0700, AZDuffman wrote:
[quote]US Steel producers say they can't compete so the governmet taxes
imported steel and actually gives this tax to the domestic producers.
The excuse is "the foreigh producers ger government subsidies."
[/quote]
Gee, I thought you free market types absolutely hated tariffs.
[quote]
US Auto producers in the early 80s got "voluntary" import restraint
agreements. They claimed foreign companies "sold below cost" in the
USA. (among other accusations)
[/quote]
Accusations that were without merit, and those foreign companies beat the
pants off them and forced them to compete anyway.
[quote]
Now the same democrats who gave us higher costs saying this is unfair
want to put a government-funded "public option" to compete with
privately owned insurance companies. Can someobe please explain how it
is good for government to say, "You charge and make too much, we are
going to undercut you. And to hell with your workers and stockholders!"
So, isn't the government going to be "dumping" on health insurance
companies?
[/quote]
Let's see. US steel made steel. Toyota, Honda and the rest make cars.
What do insurance companies produce? |
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| Phlip... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:44 pm |
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On Oct 22, 11:45 am, "5228 Dead, 361 since 1/20/09" <d... at (no spam) dead.com>
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[quote]On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:45:59 -0700, AZDuffman wrote:
So, isn't the government going to be "dumping" on health insurance
companies?
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Yes by forcing them to compete. You know - free market. See below.
[quote]Let's see. US steel made steel. Toyota, Honda and the rest make cars.
What do insurance companies produce?
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I thought O promised to fiscally isolate Public Option from the tax
system. It must take in slightly more cash than it hands out in
benefits.
I thought the only remaining reason not to make it a coop was so the
gov't can defend it, and the insurers can't send in moles to ... coopt
it. |
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| Phlip... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 1:47 pm |
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On Oct 22, 3:15 pm, Steve <stevencan... at (no spam) yahooooooo.com> wrote:
[quote]The government is good for national defense and that's about it...
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Good rationale - thanks!
Universal health will indeed make us all strong & agile, able to
rapidly mobilize in response to any kind of threat. |
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| Phlip... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:46 pm |
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On Oct 22, 5:40 pm, "5228 Dead, 361 since 1/20/09" <d... at (no spam) dead.com>
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[quote]On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:47:33 -0700, Phlip wrote:
The government is good for national defense and that's about it...
Good rationale - thanks!
Universal health will indeed make us all strong & agile, able to rapidly
mobilize in response to any kind of threat.
It does raise an interesting point. If your country is reduced to
nothing more than a draft on your children in order to fight wars that
you cannot hope to benefit from, then what do you owe that government?
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Note that one provision of "no child left behind" was copying their
records to their local recruitment offices. The recruiters would know
which children were not going to make it into college...
But the GOP are all about personal privacy, and against communistic
prying into everyone's records, so I'm sure they will oppose that
practice! |
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| Phlip... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:55 pm |
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On Oct 22, 6:43 pm, "5228 Dead, 361 since 1/20/09" <d... at (no spam) dead.com>
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[quote]On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:46:38 -0700, Phlip wrote:
Note that one provision of "no child left behind" was copying their
records to their local recruitment offices. The recruiters would know
which children were not going to make it into college...
But the GOP are all about personal privacy, and against communistic
prying into everyone's records, so I'm sure they will oppose that
practice!
Um, right. Sure. They'll get right on that...
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Gee, at least One Child Left Behind didn't indoctrinate children into
an autocratic dictatorship...
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2009/09/few-good-kids |
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| 5228 Dead, 361 since 1/20/09... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:00 pm |
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On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:45:21 -0700 (PDT), AZDuffman
<srduffy1126 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 22, 2:45 pm, "5228 Dead, 361 since 1/20/09" <d... at (no spam) dead.com
wrote:
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:45:59 -0700, AZDuffman wrote:
US Steel producers say they can't compete so the governmet taxes
imported steel and actually gives this tax to the domestic producers.
The excuse is "the foreigh producers ger government subsidies."
Gee, I thought you free market types absolutely hated tariffs.
I do. I also hate governent taking form one groupand giving to
another one. What is your point.
[/quote]
So how is fostering competition taking from one group and giving to
another?
[quote]
US Auto producers in the early 80s got "voluntary" import restraint
agreements. They claimed foreign companies "sold below cost" in the
USA. (among other accusations)
Accusations that were without merit, and those foreign companies beat the
pants off them and forced them to compete anyway.
Now the same democrats who gave us higher costs saying this is unfair
want to put a government-funded "public option" to compete with
privately owned insurance companies. Can someobe please explain how it
is good for government to say, "You charge and make too much, we are
going to undercut you. And to hell with your workers and stockholders!"
So, isn't the government going to be "dumping" on health insurance
companies?
Let's see. US steel made steel. Toyota, Honda and the rest make cars.
What do insurance companies produce?
Uh, insurance and peace of mind? Planning for the unexpected?
[/quote]
And is there some reason the government can't do that even better?
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| Steve... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:15 pm |
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On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:00:01 -0700, "5228 Dead, 361 since 1/20/09"
<zeppp at (no spam) finestplanet.com> wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:45:21 -0700 (PDT), AZDuffman
srduffy1126 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 22, 2:45 pm, "5228 Dead, 361 since 1/20/09" <d... at (no spam) dead.com
wrote:
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 10:45:59 -0700, AZDuffman wrote:
US Steel producers say they can't compete so the governmet taxes
imported steel and actually gives this tax to the domestic producers.
The excuse is "the foreigh producers ger government subsidies."
Gee, I thought you free market types absolutely hated tariffs.
I do. I also hate governent taking form one groupand giving to
another one. What is your point.
So how is fostering competition taking from one group and giving to
another?
US Auto producers in the early 80s got "voluntary" import restraint
agreements. They claimed foreign companies "sold below cost" in the
USA. (among other accusations)
Accusations that were without merit, and those foreign companies beat the
pants off them and forced them to compete anyway.
Now the same democrats who gave us higher costs saying this is unfair
want to put a government-funded "public option" to compete with
privately owned insurance companies. Can someobe please explain how it
is good for government to say, "You charge and make too much, we are
going to undercut you. And to hell with your workers and stockholders!"
So, isn't the government going to be "dumping" on health insurance
companies?
Let's see. US steel made steel. Toyota, Honda and the rest make cars.
What do insurance companies produce?
Uh, insurance and peace of mind? Planning for the unexpected?
And is there some reason the government can't do that even better?
[/quote]
The government is good for national defense and that's about it...
outside of that, this government is completely inept. Take, for
example the government schools that gave us losers like the Usenet
lefterloons.
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Contrary to what liberals whine, nobody
owes you anything. |
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| Steve... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:50 pm |
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On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:47:33 -0700 (PDT), Phlip <phlip2005 at (no spam) gmail.com>
wrote:
[quote]On Oct 22, 3:15 pm, Steve <stevencan... at (no spam) yahooooooo.com> wrote:
The government is good for national defense and that's about it...
Good rationale - thanks!
Universal health will indeed make us all strong & agile, able to
rapidly mobilize in response to any kind of threat.
[/quote]
Universal health will only benefit you losers.. and we could all do
without you losers....
--
Contrary to what liberals whine, nobody
owes you anything. |
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| Beam Me Up Scotty... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:31 pm |
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Steve wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:47:33 -0700 (PDT), Phlip <phlip2005 at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
On Oct 22, 3:15 pm, Steve <stevencan... at (no spam) yahooooooo.com> wrote:
The government is good for national defense and that's about it...
Good rationale - thanks!
Universal health will indeed make us all strong & agile, able to
rapidly mobilize in response to any kind of threat.
Universal health will only benefit you losers.. and we could all do
without you losers....
[/quote]
Actually the losers will get dragged down with the rest of us.... we'll
all have fewer jobs and a smaller GDP for our troubles. |
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| 5228 Dead, 361 since 1/20/09... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:40 pm |
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On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:47:33 -0700, Phlip wrote:
[quote]On Oct 22, 3:15Â pm, Steve <stevencan... at (no spam) yahooooooo.com> wrote:
The government is good for national defense and that's about it...
Good rationale - thanks!
Universal health will indeed make us all strong & agile, able to rapidly
mobilize in response to any kind of threat.
[/quote]
It does raise an interesting point. If your country is reduced to
nothing more than a draft on your children in order to fight wars that
you cannot hope to benefit from, then what do you owe that government? |
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| Steve... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:54 pm |
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On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:31:16 -0400, Beam Me Up Scotty
<Then-Destroy-Everything at (no spam) Talk-n-dog.com> wrote:
[quote]Steve wrote:
On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:47:33 -0700 (PDT), Phlip <phlip2005 at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
On Oct 22, 3:15 pm, Steve <stevencan... at (no spam) yahooooooo.com> wrote:
The government is good for national defense and that's about it...
Good rationale - thanks!
Universal health will indeed make us all strong & agile, able to
rapidly mobilize in response to any kind of threat.
Universal health will only benefit you losers.. and we could all do
without you losers....
Actually the losers will get dragged down with the rest of us.... we'll
all have fewer jobs and a smaller GDP for our troubles.
[/quote]
Losers never win....
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| Steve... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:54 pm |
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On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:40:16 -0500, "5228 Dead, 361 since 1/20/09"
<dead at (no spam) dead.com> wrote:
[quote]On Thu, 22 Oct 2009 16:47:33 -0700, Phlip wrote:
On Oct 22, 3:15 pm, Steve <stevencan... at (no spam) yahooooooo.com> wrote:
The government is good for national defense and that's about it...
Good rationale - thanks!
Universal health will indeed make us all strong & agile, able to rapidly
mobilize in response to any kind of threat.
It does raise an interesting point. If your country is reduced to
nothing more than a draft on your children in order to fight wars that
you cannot hope to benefit from, then what do you owe that government?
[/quote]
Hell, who cares what Zepp owes? Let him file bankruptcy
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