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| crunch... |
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/modern-man-a-wimp-says-anthropologist-1802501.html
"Roman legions completed more than one-and-a-half marathons a day
carrying more than half their body weight in equipment."
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"We are simply not exposed to the same loads or challenges that people
were in the ancient past and even in the recent past so our bodies
haven't developed. Even the level of training that we do, our elite
athletes, doesn't come close to replicating that.
"We wouldn't want to go back to the brutality of those days but there
are some things we would do well to profit from."
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| JTEM... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:57 am |
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crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/modern-man-a-wimp-says-anth...
"Roman legions completed more than one-and-a-half marathons a day
carrying more than half their body weight in equipment."
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This just isn't true. It might've happened once -- I dunno -- but it
was
not something that any Legion would have to do.
And if memory serves correctly, didn't one of the graves at Qumran
contain the remains of a man who appeared to have physically
exerted himself even LESS than a modern man? |
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| Tiglath... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:56 am |
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On Oct 21, 10:08 am, crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/modern-man-a-wimp-says-anth...
"Roman legions completed more than one-and-a-half marathons a day
carrying more than half their body weight in equipment."
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"We are simply not exposed to the same loads or challenges that people
were in the ancient past and even in the recent past so our bodies
haven't developed. Even the level of training that we do, our elite
athletes, doesn't come close to replicating that.
"We wouldn't want to go back to the brutality of those days but there
are some things we would do well to profit from."
David Christainsen
[/quote]
I disagree. Look at human longevity in antiquity.
What good does a marathon do the the body? It's an unhealthy
excess. Roman soldiers' bodies were used up for the good of the
state, not for the health of the soldiers.
He thinks ancient men were immune to the ravages of their brutish
jobs. How long do you think Marius' Mules lived, after years marching
with 80-100 pounds on their backs? Was joint cartilege different
back then than it is now?
The writer is obviously not familiar with the gruelling training of
top athletes, who equally abuse and use up their bodies for Olympic
goal, and who achieve records which I very much doubt ancient
Olympians got even close. Their goal is not health but victory. The
side-effects are unique strength and endurance but just as often
injury and excessive wear with consequences evident only later in
life.
What so important about not being a 'wimp' anyway, in the sense the
writer means? Many animals have physical powers we can only dream
of. The strongest human is still an underpowered animal. The only
smart use of our weak body is to make it a healthy and durable vehicle
to carry our brain in. For it is brain power that outdoes the
strength of the largest whale, the speed of the fastest cheetah, and
the poison of the most venomous reptile. And it is brain power, that
allowed small-frame, garlic-eating Roman legionnaires to defeat large
and ferocious Germans (they made them fight in the sun, which the
Italians could bear but the Germans could not, as well as the arms
design and tactics that made physical size almost irrelevant)
And.... as I discovered in my twenties after a few years of
bodybuilding. It's guys, for the most part, that like big muscles,
not chicks. I stopped immediately and played guitar instead, which is
a lot more productive.
People who have jobs that exercise their bodies need not exercise:
farmers, dock workers, construction workers, etc. Good diet alone
will keep them healthy and long living. Only if you have a desk job
you need to get on a bicycle or otherwise exercise.
Time is better spent exercising the brain or practicing an art than
beefing up.
Look at JTEM, he thinks with his Arian biceps. |
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| Tiglath... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:59 am |
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On Oct 21, 10:57 am, JTEM <jte... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/modern-man-a-wimp-says-anth...
"Roman legions completed more than one-and-a-half marathons a day
carrying more than half their body weight in equipment."
This just isn't true. It might've happened once -- I dunno -- but it
was
not something that any Legion would have to do.
[/quote]
It was not uncommon to march more than the distance of a marathon in a
day for ancient armies, but that is still not a marathon. A marathon
involves running not walking. The author should get a job in
McDonalds instead or writing lousy articles like this. |
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| JTEM... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:36 pm |
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Tiglath <te... at (no spam) tiglath.net> wrote:
[quote]Look at JTEM, he thinks with his Arian biceps.
[/quote]
You've confused me with Giwer the Nazi cunt,
though confusion appears to be your natural state. |
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| Matt Giwer... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 2:22 am |
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, JTEM wrote:
[quote]Tiglath <te... at (no spam) tiglath.net> wrote:
Look at JTEM, he thinks with his Arian biceps.
You've confused me with Giwer the Nazi cunt, though confusion appears to
be your natural state.
[/quote]
While I can pass your native misogyny I am a bit surprised you
passed Aryan.
--
Religion puts food on the tables of priests. This
is the sole purpose of religion.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 4186
http://www.giwersworld.org/00_files/zion-hit-points.phtml a16
Jews stole the land. The owners want it back. a16
Thu Oct 22 04:19:29 EDT 2009 |
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| Tiglath... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:01 am |
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On Oct 21, 6:36 pm, JTEM <jte... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Tiglath <te... at (no spam) tiglath.net> wrote:
Look at JTEM, he thinks with his Arian biceps.
You've confused me with Giwer the Nazi cunt,
though confusion appears to be your natural state.
[/quote]
The sky is clear for all to see the group infested by TWO Nazi cunts
who hate Jews: JTEM and Giwer.
At least Giwer has the courage of his convictions, which makes him
slightly better than you. |
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| Tiglath... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:05 am |
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On Oct 22, 9:41 am, SolomonW <Solom... at (no spam) nospamMail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:56:25 -0700 (PDT), Tiglath wrote:
People who have jobs that exercise their bodies need not exercise:
farmers, dock workers, construction workers, etc. Good diet alone
will keep them healthy and long living. Only if you have a desk job
you need to get on a bicycle or otherwise exercise.
In my experience white collar workers are healthier than blue collar
workers.
http://www.eurofound.europa.eu/ewco/2008/10/AT0810019I.htm
The study shows clear differences between blue-collar and white-collar
workers in terms of life expectancy as a result of strenuous work (Figure 1
below). Whereas blue-collar workers have a probability of 75.7% of reaching
the age of 70 years, the same holds true for 84.4% of white-collar workers.
[/quote]
Good info.
White collar doesn't imply sedentary life. Most of the people I meet
in bicycle races work in offices.
There is also the phenomenon I describe as "real men don't go to the
doctor," which afflicts blue collar more than white, and I am sure
decreases their longevity. |
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| JTEM... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:21 am |
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Matt Giwer <matt at (no spam) localhost> wrote:
[quote] While I can pass your native misogyny I
am a bit surprised you passed Aryan.
[/quote]
Spelling flames are two notches below ad hominem.
I mean, at least ad hominem manages to be entertaining
on the rarest of occasions. |
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| JTEM... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 4:22 am |
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Tiglath <te... at (no spam) tiglath.net> wrote:
[quote]The sky is clear
[/quote]
The issue is that your head is in a fog, you
cowardly little shit.
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| Lee Olsen... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:01 am |
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On Oct 22, 7:05 am, Tiglath <te... at (no spam) tiglath.net> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 22, 9:41 am, SolomonW <Solom... at (no spam) nospamMail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:56:25 -0700 (PDT), Tiglath wrote:
People who have jobs that exercise their bodies need not exercise:
farmers, dock workers, construction workers, etc. Good diet alone
will keep them healthy and long living. Only if you have a desk job
you need to get on a bicycle or otherwise exercise.
In my experience white collar workers are healthier than blue collar
workers.
http://www.eurofound.europa.eu/ewco/2008/10/AT0810019I.htm
The study shows clear differences between blue-collar and white-collar
workers in terms of life expectancy as a result of strenuous work (Figure 1
below). Whereas blue-collar workers have a probability of 75.7% of reaching
the age of 70 years, the same holds true for 84.4% of white-collar workers.
Good info.
[/quote]
Good only if you like garbage statistics. Without the blue-collar
fishermen dying young
providing food for the white collars, the whites would have a life
span of a few weeks
at best. Without the blue-collar lumberjacks dying young setting
chokers, the white
collars would be working in the rain, shortning their lifespan
accordingly.
[quote]
White collar doesn't imply sedentary life. Most of the people I meet
in bicycle races work in offices.
[/quote]
"What good does a marathon do the the body?"
What good do bicycle races do to the the body?
[quote]
There is also the phenomenon I describe as "real men don't go to the
doctor," which afflicts blue collar more than white, and I am sure
decreases their longevity.
[/quote]
Without the short-lived bluecollars to feed the doctor, we wouldn't
have doctors either....so much for Dr's. longevity. |
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| Tiglath... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:18 am |
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On Oct 22, 11:01 am, Lee Olsen <paleoc... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
[quote]
http://www.eurofound.europa.eu/ewco/2008/10/AT0810019I.htm
The study shows clear differences between blue-collar and white-collar
workers in terms of life expectancy as a result of strenuous work (Figure 1
below). Whereas blue-collar workers have a probability of 75.7% of reaching
the age of 70 years, the same holds true for 84.4% of white-collar workers.
Good info.
Good only if you like garbage statistics. Without the blue-collar
fishermen dying young
providing food for the white collars, the whites would have a life
span of a few weeks
at best. Without the blue-collar lumberjacks dying young setting
chokers, the white
collars would be working in the rain, shortning their lifespan
accordingly.
[/quote]
That doesn't invalidate the statistics in the slightest.
Just because B does the dirty work for A, doesn't mean that statistics
saying that A lives longer than B are false. Learn the difference.
[quote]White collar doesn't imply sedentary life. Most of the people I meet
in bicycle races work in offices.
"What good does a marathon do the the body?"
What good do bicycle races do to the the body?
[/quote]
Unable to see the difference too?
A marathon involves running 26 miles -- always an excess.
A bicycle race can be of any duration or difficulty. Statistics on
the last century I did, which was on an almost perfectly flat course,
said that the youngest participant to complete the race was 5 and the
oldest 87.
Not to mention that running involves impact and bicycling doesn't.
[quote]
There is also the phenomenon I describe as "real men don't go to the
doctor," which afflicts blue collar more than white, and I am sure
decreases their longevity.
Without the short-lived bluecollars to feed the doctor, we wouldn't
have doctors either....so much for Dr's. longevity.
[/quote]
I guess you do not work in an office. |
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| Tiglath... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 5:56 am |
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On Oct 22, 4:22 am, Matt Giwer <matt at (no spam) localhost> wrote:
[quote]On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, JTEM wrote:
Tiglath <te... at (no spam) tiglath.net> wrote:
Look at JTEM, he thinks with his Arian biceps.
You've confused me with Giwer the Nazi cunt, though confusion appears to
be your natural state.
While I can pass your native misogyny I am a bit surprised you
passed Aryan.
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Ah oh, trouble in the Thousand Years Reich.
Cat fight.
Brownshirt quarrels with Brownpants. |
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| Lee Olsen... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:37 am |
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On Oct 22, 8:18 am, Tiglath <te... at (no spam) tiglath.net> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 22, 11:01 am, Lee Olsen <paleoc... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
http://www.eurofound.europa.eu/ewco/2008/10/AT0810019I.htm
The study shows clear differences between blue-collar and white-collar
workers in terms of life expectancy as a result of strenuous work (Figure 1
below). Whereas blue-collar workers have a probability of 75.7% of reaching
the age of 70 years, the same holds true for 84.4% of white-collar workers.
Good info.
Good only if you like garbage statistics. Without the blue-collar
fishermen dying young
providing food for the white collars, the whites would have a life
span of a few weeks
at best. Without the blue-collar lumberjacks dying young setting
chokers, the white
collars would be working in the rain, shortning their lifespan
accordingly.
That doesn't invalidate the statistics in the slightest.
[/quote]
That's right, they remain just as worthless as your posts in
this thread.
[quote]
Just because B does the dirty work for A, doesn't mean that statistics
saying that A lives longer than B are false. Learn the difference.
[/quote]
Didn't get it? Without the B's you wouldn't have A's in the first
place,
a fact you seemed to have missed in the McAllister article.
[quote]
White collar doesn't imply sedentary life. Most of the people I meet
in bicycle races work in offices.
"What good does a marathon do the the body?"
What good do bicycle races do to the the body?
Unable to see the difference too?
[/quote]
You specified "races", don't you know the difference?
[quote]A marathon involves running 26 miles -- always an excess.
[/quote]
BS, not all runners are professionals who do a marathon in
2 hours flat, don't you know the difference?
[quote]
A bicycle race can be of any duration or difficulty.
[/quote]
Duh...ditto marathons.
[quote] Statistics on
the last century I did, which was on an almost perfectly flat course,
said that the youngest participant to complete the race was 5 and the
oldest 87.
[/quote]
How long had the 87 person been running?
[quote]
Not to mention that running involves impact and bicycling doesn't.
[/quote]
I don't run, and never did much, like close to zero. I've biked a lot
and have
bad knees. Probably genetic, who knows?
[quote]
There is also the phenomenon I describe as "real men don't go to the
doctor," which afflicts blue collar more than white, and I am sure
decreases their longevity.
Without the short-lived bluecollars to feed the doctor, we wouldn't
have doctors either....so much for Dr's. longevity.
I guess you do not work in an office.
[/quote]
If I were you (and thank God I'm not), I wouldn't be too quick to
apply for
McAllister's job, it requires the ability to read and don't bother
applying at
McDonalds either, that requires basic reading also. Here is where you
got
off on the wrong track: "longevity." The article wasn't about
longevity, which
would have little or nothing to do with the condition of ancient
peoples bone
structure and their ability to run. They were certainly using their
bones to
an excess, no matter how long they lived. "nasty, brutal, and short" I
think
is the cliche
McAllister is right on, maybe you need to find an anthropology forum. |
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| SolomonW... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:41 am |
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On Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:56:25 -0700 (PDT), Tiglath wrote:
[quote]People who have jobs that exercise their bodies need not exercise:
farmers, dock workers, construction workers, etc. Good diet alone
will keep them healthy and long living. Only if you have a desk job
you need to get on a bicycle or otherwise exercise.
[/quote]
In my experience white collar workers are healthier than blue collar
workers.
http://www.eurofound.europa.eu/ewco/2008/10/AT0810019I.htm
The study shows clear differences between blue-collar and white-collar
workers in terms of life expectancy as a result of strenuous work (Figure 1
below). Whereas blue-collar workers have a probability of 75.7% of reaching
the age of 70 years, the same holds true for 84.4% of white-collar workers. |
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