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The welder was sold, for 33% more than I was asking here.
I also learned something today. He wanted the tank (fine) I asked the
buyer, who lived 50 miles from here, what will he do with a tank with
a local supplier's name on the collar.
He said, GET THIS, that he puts them in his lathe, and simply turns
the collar down on the lathe, so that all lettering is removed. That's
a big MF of a lathe!
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"Ignoramus21577" <ignoramus21577 at (no spam) NOSPAM.21577.invalid> wrote in message
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[quote]The welder was sold, for 33% more than I was asking here.
I also learned something today. He wanted the tank (fine) I asked the
buyer, who lived 50 miles from here, what will he do with a tank with
a local supplier's name on the collar.
He said, GET THIS, that he puts them in his lathe, and simply turns
the collar down on the lathe, so that all lettering is removed. That's
a big MF of a lathe!
i
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I altered my bottle by just grinding it smooth, then finishing it with a
sanding disc, then a wire brush at (no spam) 14,000 rpm. Sounds like this ain't his
first rodeo.
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| Gunner Asch... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:53 pm |
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On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:53:12 -0500, Ignoramus21577
<ignoramus21577 at (no spam) NOSPAM.21577.invalid> wrote:
[quote]The welder was sold, for 33% more than I was asking here.
I also learned something today. He wanted the tank (fine) I asked the
buyer, who lived 50 miles from here, what will he do with a tank with
a local supplier's name on the collar.
He said, GET THIS, that he puts them in his lathe, and simply turns
the collar down on the lathe, so that all lettering is removed. That's
a big MF of a lathe!
i
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You dont have access to one? I can go up to 26"....through the
spindle...
Okuma LN6.... <G>
Gunner
"Upon Roosevelt's death in 1945, H. L. Mencken predicted in his diary
that Roosevelt would be remembered as a great president, "maybe even
alongside Washington and Lincoln," opining that Roosevelt "had every
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| Winston... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:12 am |
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Ignoramus21577 wrote:
[quote]The welder was sold, for 33% more than I was asking here.
I also learned something today. He wanted the tank (fine) I asked the
buyer, who lived 50 miles from here, what will he do with a tank with
a local supplier's name on the collar.
He said, GET THIS, that he puts them in his lathe, and simply turns
the collar down on the lathe, so that all lettering is removed. That's
a big MF of a lathe!
i
[/quote]
Sounds self-defeating to me.
I've had N+1 cylinders traded in, swapped, filled, hydrotested etc.
through several different suppliers, with not one issue about ownership,
ever. The most I ever did was wipe the dust off the outside with a
dampened cloth. This includes a couple auction bottles known to be out
of hydro.
Turning down the collar would make a perfectly acceptable trade-in
hinky, yes? I don't get it.
--Winston
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"Intellectually, I understand that you've treated iCorp with nothing but
kindness and generosity. Still, I'm gripped with this... discomfort.
(Pine trees and tiny glass beads affect me the same way.)
I can't accuse you of witchcraft, and if I call you a communist or
socialist, even my people will laugh at me. So, I've decided that you
are paranoid. YES!". (Remove lampshade from head and clamber
down from the desktop, whistling selections from "South Pacific").
iCorp Human Resources Handbook, Chapter 3: _Termination for Cause_
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| Bruce L. Bergman... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:37 am |
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On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:12:23 -0700, Winston <Winston at (no spam) bigbrother.net>
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[quote]Ignoramus21577 wrote:
The welder was sold, for 33% more than I was asking here.
I also learned something today. He wanted the tank (fine) I asked the
buyer, who lived 50 miles from here, what will he do with a tank with
a local supplier's name on the collar.
He said, GET THIS, that he puts them in his lathe, and simply turns
the collar down on the lathe, so that all lettering is removed. That's
a big MF of a lathe!
i
Sounds self-defeating to me.
I've had N+1 cylinders traded in, swapped, filled, hydrotested etc.
through several different suppliers, with not one issue about ownership,
ever. The most I ever did was wipe the dust off the outside with a
dampened cloth. This includes a couple auction bottles known to be out
of hydro.
Turning down the collar would make a perfectly acceptable trade-in
hinky, yes? I don't get it.
[/quote]
They are only taking a light cut with a lathe or a light touch with
the die grinder on the bottom (non-threaded) half of the collar, just
enough to take off the cast-in raised letters with the old bottle
owner name on them.
Doesn't matter that the company named on that collar is no longer in
business and didn't sell off their stock to another company, you are
stuck with a bottle you can't exchange. At least until you make that
confounding name disasppear.
Once it's neatly gone, and you have a supply house that has enough
discretion to not ask questions that don't need asking, now you have
an Owner Bottle you can get filled.
--<< Bruce >>-- |
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| Winston... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 12:48 am |
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Bruce L. Bergman wrote:
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[quote]They are only taking a light cut with a lathe or a light touch with
the die grinder on the bottom (non-threaded) half of the collar
[/quote]
(...)
I think I understand.
It's still hinky. :)
--Winston |
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| Ignoramus27237... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:34 am |
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On 2009-10-27, Gunner Asch <gunner at (no spam) NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
[quote]On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:53:12 -0500, Ignoramus21577
ignoramus21577 at (no spam) NOSPAM.21577.invalid> wrote:
The welder was sold, for 33% more than I was asking here.
I also learned something today. He wanted the tank (fine) I asked the
buyer, who lived 50 miles from here, what will he do with a tank with
a local supplier's name on the collar.
He said, GET THIS, that he puts them in his lathe, and simply turns
the collar down on the lathe, so that all lettering is removed. That's
a big MF of a lathe!
i
You dont have access to one? I can go up to 26"....through the
spindle...
[/quote]
Gunner, I would really like to have a bg shed with several big
machines in it. Whenever I see those liquidation sales, with 20x78"
lathes going for $600 or something, my heart bleeds.
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| SteveB... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 8:32 am |
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"Winston" <Winston at (no spam) bigbrother.net> wrote in message
news:hc638e02bjh at (no spam) news6.newsguy.com...
[quote]Ignoramus21577 wrote:
The welder was sold, for 33% more than I was asking here. I also learned
something today. He wanted the tank (fine) I asked the
buyer, who lived 50 miles from here, what will he do with a tank with
a local supplier's name on the collar.
He said, GET THIS, that he puts them in his lathe, and simply turns
the collar down on the lathe, so that all lettering is removed. That's
a big MF of a lathe!
i
Sounds self-defeating to me.
I've had N+1 cylinders traded in, swapped, filled, hydrotested etc.
through several different suppliers, with not one issue about ownership,
ever. The most I ever did was wipe the dust off the outside with a
dampened cloth. This includes a couple auction bottles known to be out
of hydro.
Turning down the collar would make a perfectly acceptable trade-in
hinky, yes? I don't get it.
--Winston
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You really don't know what we're talking about, do you? You are obviously
not talking about lease bottles with their name in the cast collar. Even if
you have one in your possession, it's not a trade-in bottle unless your name
is on the lease. When the owner company decommissions the bottle from a
rental status, THEY remove their stamp, or stamp some type of ID code on the
bottle. Until then, it's rental property that has not been returned. If
you take it for filling or exchange, they can confiscate it on the spot, and
just say thank you. Calling the police will do no good, as it is a civil
matter, and besides, their name, or the name of the company they represent
is clearly on it, and that's proof that it is THEIRS. If you want to make a
fuss, the counter geek can tell the responding officer that you brought in
stolen property, and that is NOT a civil matter. It is owned forever and
always by that company unless that company goes out of business, sells it to
you and you have the paperwork, or sells the cylinders and the public knows
about it as in the case of the US Navy. Third party paperwork does not
work, as in the case of Joe Schmo sold it to me, therefore, it's mine. You
have to have paperwork from the company name on the collar.
You really don't get it, or don't do a lot of cylinders, do you? How long
have you been reading these threads.
HTH, and that you NOW understand it.
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| Gunner Asch... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:51 am |
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On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:34:13 -0500, Ignoramus27237
<ignoramus27237 at (no spam) NOSPAM.27237.invalid> wrote:
[quote]On 2009-10-27, Gunner Asch <gunner at (no spam) NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:
On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 21:53:12 -0500, Ignoramus21577
ignoramus21577 at (no spam) NOSPAM.21577.invalid> wrote:
The welder was sold, for 33% more than I was asking here.
I also learned something today. He wanted the tank (fine) I asked the
buyer, who lived 50 miles from here, what will he do with a tank with
a local supplier's name on the collar.
He said, GET THIS, that he puts them in his lathe, and simply turns
the collar down on the lathe, so that all lettering is removed. That's
a big MF of a lathe!
i
You dont have access to one? I can go up to 26"....through the
spindle...
Gunner, I would really like to have a bg shed with several big
machines in it. Whenever I see those liquidation sales, with 20x78"
lathes going for $600 or something, my heart bleeds.
i
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Indeed. The lathe I mentioned though is in my shop in Fullerton. I have
440 service at 800 amps.....the motor that runs it is....50hp. Nothing
you really really want to own unless you have lots and lots and lots of
work.
But I agree on having a warehouse...some really really good deals on
machinery these days. But when it costs $2000 to move that $800
lathe..and no one is buying...its almost enough to make a guy cry....
GUnner
"Upon Roosevelt's death in 1945, H. L. Mencken predicted in his diary
that Roosevelt would be remembered as a great president, "maybe even
alongside Washington and Lincoln," opining that Roosevelt "had every
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| Winston... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:24 pm |
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SteveB wrote:
[quote]"Winston" <Winston at (no spam) bigbrother.net> wrote in message
news:hc638e02bjh at (no spam) news6.newsguy.com...
[/quote]
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[quote]Turning down the collar would make a perfectly acceptable trade-in
hinky, yes? I don't get it.
--Winston
You really don't know what we're talking about, do you?
[/quote]
We shall see. (I was just asking a question, Steve.)
[quote]You are obviously
not talking about lease bottles with their name in the cast collar.
[/quote]
Why do you say that? I thought I was.
[quote]Even if you have one in your possession, it's not a trade-in bottle unless
your name is on the lease.
[/quote]
Yes, in most cases that is true.
[quote]When the owner company decommissions the bottle from a
rental status, THEY remove their stamp, or stamp some type of ID code on the
bottle. Until then, it's rental property that has not been returned. If
you take it for filling or exchange, they can confiscate it on the spot, and
just say thank you.
[/quote]
That's reasonable.
[quote]Calling the police will do no good, as it is a civil
matter, and besides, their name, or the name of the company they represent
is clearly on it, and that's proof that it is THEIRS. If you want to make a
fuss, the counter geek can tell the responding officer that you brought in
stolen property, and that is NOT a civil matter. It is owned forever and
always by that company unless that company goes out of business, sells it to
you and you have the paperwork, or sells the cylinders and the public knows
about it as in the case of the US Navy. Third party paperwork does not
work, as in the case of Joe Schmo sold it to me, therefore, it's mine. You
have to have paperwork from the company name on the collar.
[/quote]
Yes, in most cases. So?
[quote]You really don't get it, or don't do a lot of cylinders, do you? How long
have you been reading these threads.
[/quote]
Years. And you?
[quote]HTH, and that you NOW understand it.
[/quote]
I got that before, Steve.
Can you help me understand your position, though?
You come in to possession of a bottle.
It has "a local supplier's name on the collar."
I know what I would do under those circumstances.
I'd return it to the supplier.
The buyer of Iggy's MIG indicated that "he puts them in his lathe, and simply
turns the collar down on the lathe, so that all lettering is removed."
I feel that doing that is morally wrong; I would not do it.
My closing statement, rephrased is that modifying such a bottle
is very likely to cast suspicion on one's integrity, at the very least.
It would be perfectly acceptable to return the bottle to it's owner,
as is, no modifications.
If the owner no longer maintains an interest in the bottle, one could
reasonably expect to have it accepted in trade, just as any
'owner' bottle.
I get the feeling that we are in "Violent Agreement".
Yes?
--Winston |
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| Rich Grise... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:33 pm |
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On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:43:52 -0600, SteveB wrote:
[quote]"Winston" <Winston at (no spam) bigbrother.net> wrote
SteveB wrote:
"Winston" <Winston at (no spam) bigbrother.net> wrote
Turning down the collar would make a perfectly acceptable trade-in
hinky, yes? I don't get it.
You really don't know what we're talking about, do you?
We shall see. (I was just asking a question, Steve.)
You are obviously not talking about lease bottles with their name in
the cast collar.
Why do you say that? I thought I was.
Because bottles with names cast in the collars are owned by the company,
and not able to be just exchanged freely as you claim, rather exchanged
under the terms of the rental/lease agreement.
Is there a special mark that's used for bottles that can be personally[/quote]
owned by an individual?
Thanks,
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| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:43 pm |
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"Winston" <Winston at (no spam) bigbrother.net> wrote > SteveB wrote:
[quote]"Winston" <Winston at (no spam) bigbrother.net> wrote
Turning down the collar would make a perfectly acceptable trade-in
hinky, yes? I don't get it.
--Winston
[/quote]
[quote]You really don't know what we're talking about, do you?
We shall see. (I was just asking a question, Steve.)
You are obviously not talking about lease bottles with their name in the
cast collar.
Why do you say that? I thought I was.
[/quote]
Because bottles with names cast in the collars are owned by the company, and
not able to be just exchanged freely as you claim, rather exchanged under
the terms of the rental/lease agreement.
[quote]
Even if you have one in your possession, it's not a trade-in bottle
unless
your name is on the lease.
Yes, in most cases that is true.
When the owner company decommissions the bottle from a rental status,
THEY remove their stamp, or stamp some type of ID code on the bottle.
Until then, it's rental property that has not been returned. If you take
it for filling or exchange, they can confiscate it on the spot, and just
say thank you.
That's reasonable.
Calling the police will do no good, as it is a civil matter, and besides,
their name, or the name of the company they represent is clearly on it,
and that's proof that it is THEIRS. If you want to make a fuss, the
counter geek can tell the responding officer that you brought in stolen
property, and that is NOT a civil matter. It is owned forever and always
by that company unless that company goes out of business, sells it to you
and you have the paperwork, or sells the cylinders and the public knows
about it as in the case of the US Navy. Third party paperwork does not
work, as in the case of Joe Schmo sold it to me, therefore, it's mine.
You have to have paperwork from the company name on the collar.
Yes, in most cases. So?
You really don't get it, or don't do a lot of cylinders, do you? How
long have you been reading these threads.
Years. And you?
HTH, and that you NOW understand it.
I got that before, Steve.
Can you help me understand your position, though?
You come in to possession of a bottle.
It has "a local supplier's name on the collar."
I know what I would do under those circumstances.
I'd return it to the supplier.
The buyer of Iggy's MIG indicated that "he puts them in his lathe, and
simply
turns the collar down on the lathe, so that all lettering is removed."
I feel that doing that is morally wrong; I would not do it.
My closing statement, rephrased is that modifying such a bottle
is very likely to cast suspicion on one's integrity, at the very least.
It would be perfectly acceptable to return the bottle to it's owner,
as is, no modifications.
If the owner no longer maintains an interest in the bottle, one could
reasonably expect to have it accepted in trade, just as any
'owner' bottle.
I get the feeling that we are in "Violent Agreement".
Yes?
--Winston[/quote] |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 3:56 pm |
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"Winston" <Winston at (no spam) bigbrother.net> wrote in message
news:hc7hcp05td at (no spam) news2.newsguy.com...
[quote]SteveB wrote:
"Winston" <Winston at (no spam) bigbrother.net> wrote in message
news:hc638e02bjh at (no spam) news6.newsguy.com...
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Turning down the collar would make a perfectly acceptable trade-in
hinky, yes? I don't get it.
--Winston
You really don't know what we're talking about, do you?
We shall see. (I was just asking a question, Steve.)
You are obviously not talking about lease bottles with their name in the
cast collar.
Why do you say that? I thought I was.
Even if you have one in your possession, it's not a trade-in bottle
unless
your name is on the lease.
Yes, in most cases that is true.
When the owner company decommissions the bottle from a rental status,
THEY remove their stamp, or stamp some type of ID code on the bottle.
Until then, it's rental property that has not been returned. If you take
it for filling or exchange, they can confiscate it on the spot, and just
say thank you.
That's reasonable.
Calling the police will do no good, as it is a civil matter, and besides,
their name, or the name of the company they represent is clearly on it,
and that's proof that it is THEIRS. If you want to make a fuss, the
counter geek can tell the responding officer that you brought in stolen
property, and that is NOT a civil matter. It is owned forever and always
by that company unless that company goes out of business, sells it to you
and you have the paperwork, or sells the cylinders and the public knows
about it as in the case of the US Navy. Third party paperwork does not
work, as in the case of Joe Schmo sold it to me, therefore, it's mine.
You have to have paperwork from the company name on the collar.
Yes, in most cases. So?
You really don't get it, or don't do a lot of cylinders, do you? How
long have you been reading these threads.
Years. And you?
HTH, and that you NOW understand it.
I got that before, Steve.
Can you help me understand your position, though?
You come in to possession of a bottle.
It has "a local supplier's name on the collar."
I know what I would do under those circumstances.
I'd return it to the supplier.
The buyer of Iggy's MIG indicated that "he puts them in his lathe, and
simply
turns the collar down on the lathe, so that all lettering is removed."
I feel that doing that is morally wrong; I would not do it.
My closing statement, rephrased is that modifying such a bottle
is very likely to cast suspicion on one's integrity, at the very least.
It would be perfectly acceptable to return the bottle to it's owner,
as is, no modifications.
If the owner no longer maintains an interest in the bottle, one could
reasonably expect to have it accepted in trade, just as any
'owner' bottle.
I get the feeling that we are in "Violent Agreement".
Yes?
--Winston
[/quote]
Apparently no. Iggy bought and paid for a bottle, and was able to sell it
to a person who could use it without going through the gyrations the
supplier wanted them to. Or just wanted to take the easy way out.
I bought and paid for a cylinder that the seller (an honorable man I know)
stated he owned. When I took it to refill, they asked me to return it,
which I refused. (It stayed on the back of my truck until after
negotiations.) Said bottle had been out of hydro for 18 years, although
still under pressure. If said bottle was an issue of a rental/lease
agreement, that would have been resolved years hence, therefore giving the
possessor 9/10 of the weight of the law. My exception was that the company
that was dealing with the refills refused to give me ANY consideration at
all even after I had spent over $3,000 last year with them.
There are cases where one clearly purchases a dubious bottle. In other
cases, there should be some leeway on adjusting these bottles so as to keep
the person's continuing business. If the companies want to blackmail you
and be hardheaded, you just put it in a lathe, or smooth the embossing off.
Do the math. Would they rather yank you around on a $200 tank, or keep a
customer that does $3k a year with them. I know what I'd do.
After a person having a bottle in their possession nearly twenty years, I
would ASS-U-ME that the company would "no longer maintain an interest" in
the bottle, as you put it.
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SteveB wrote:
[quote]"Winston" <Winston at (no spam) bigbrother.net> wrote in message
news:hc7hcp05td at (no spam) news2.newsguy.com...
SteveB wrote:
"Winston" <Winston at (no spam) bigbrother.net> wrote in message
news:hc638e02bjh at (no spam) news6.newsguy.com...
(...)
Turning down the collar would make a perfectly acceptable trade-in
hinky, yes? I don't get it.
--Winston
You really don't know what we're talking about, do you?
We shall see. (I was just asking a question, Steve.)
You are obviously not talking about lease bottles with their name in the
cast collar.
Why do you say that? I thought I was.
Even if you have one in your possession, it's not a trade-in bottle
unless
your name is on the lease.
Yes, in most cases that is true.
When the owner company decommissions the bottle from a rental status,
THEY remove their stamp, or stamp some type of ID code on the bottle.
Until then, it's rental property that has not been returned. If you take
it for filling or exchange, they can confiscate it on the spot, and just
say thank you.
That's reasonable.
Calling the police will do no good, as it is a civil matter, and besides,
their name, or the name of the company they represent is clearly on it,
and that's proof that it is THEIRS. If you want to make a fuss, the
counter geek can tell the responding officer that you brought in stolen
property, and that is NOT a civil matter. It is owned forever and always
by that company unless that company goes out of business, sells it to you
and you have the paperwork, or sells the cylinders and the public knows
about it as in the case of the US Navy. Third party paperwork does not
work, as in the case of Joe Schmo sold it to me, therefore, it's mine.
You have to have paperwork from the company name on the collar.
Yes, in most cases. So?
You really don't get it, or don't do a lot of cylinders, do you? How
long have you been reading these threads.
Years. And you?
HTH, and that you NOW understand it.
I got that before, Steve.
Can you help me understand your position, though?
You come in to possession of a bottle.
It has "a local supplier's name on the collar."
I know what I would do under those circumstances.
I'd return it to the supplier.
The buyer of Iggy's MIG indicated that "he puts them in his lathe, and
simply
turns the collar down on the lathe, so that all lettering is removed."
I feel that doing that is morally wrong; I would not do it.
My closing statement, rephrased is that modifying such a bottle
is very likely to cast suspicion on one's integrity, at the very least.
It would be perfectly acceptable to return the bottle to it's owner,
as is, no modifications.
If the owner no longer maintains an interest in the bottle, one could
reasonably expect to have it accepted in trade, just as any
'owner' bottle.
I get the feeling that we are in "Violent Agreement".
Yes?
--Winston
Apparently no. Iggy bought and paid for a bottle, and was able to sell it
to a person who could use it without going through the gyrations the
supplier wanted them to. Or just wanted to take the easy way out.
I bought and paid for a cylinder that the seller (an honorable man I know)
stated he owned. When I took it to refill, they asked me to return it,
which I refused. (It stayed on the back of my truck until after
negotiations.) Said bottle had been out of hydro for 18 years, although
still under pressure. If said bottle was an issue of a rental/lease
agreement, that would have been resolved years hence, therefore giving the
possessor 9/10 of the weight of the law. My exception was that the company
that was dealing with the refills refused to give me ANY consideration at
all even after I had spent over $3,000 last year with them.
[/quote]
So what if he was honorable. Could it more likely be that he thought he
owned it because he didn't understand the contract?
[quote]
There are cases where one clearly purchases a dubious bottle. In other
cases, there should be some leeway on adjusting these bottles so as to keep
the person's continuing business. If the companies want to blackmail you
and be hardheaded, you just put it in a lathe, or smooth the embossing off.
Do the math. Would they rather yank you around on a $200 tank, or keep a
customer that does $3k a year with them. I know what I'd do.
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So you advocate stealing the bottle which the company PROVED they owned?
If I was the one who had the company who owned the bottle you would have
been arrested and charges filed against you.
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After a person having a bottle in their possession nearly twenty years, I
would ASS-U-ME that the company would "no longer maintain an interest" in
the bottle, as you put it.
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So because the other person didn't bother to return it gives YOU legal
title to keep it? Damn where did you come up with that?
The company OWNS the bottle until they either are bought out by a
different company (who then own those bottles) OR the company goes out
of business. If they go out of business and sell the bottles outright
then you woudld get a reciept saying you owned it.
[quote]Steve
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| Ignoramus27237... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 4:42 pm |
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Regarding the ethics of rental tanks: as far as I know, for each of
the "company owned" tanks, there was a deposit paid that exceeds the
value of the tank. When these tanks later change hands, the gas
supplier keeps the deposit, whihc is the money that it also had an
opportunity to use for years. This was the case with my own bottle
rental from Terrace: they took a big deposit and gave me a bottle.
So, taking that bottle does not result in that supplier being hurt
financially.
The so called "ownership", in this case, is just a way to prevent
people from going to other suppliers with that bottle, in other words,
this is basically a legalized racket.
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