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| Pat Flannery... |
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| Joseph Nebus... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:28 pm |
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Pat Flannery <flanner at (no spam) daktel.com> writes:
[quote]Looking very tall and skinny indeed:
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/ares1x/091020rollout/index4.html
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I hadn't realized the plan was to have the 1-X launch in about
a week. That seems like a lightning-quick progression from rollout to
actual launch for NASA. I imagine huge factors in that are that the
upper stage and crew module just need to have weight and not blow up
on their own, rather than deal with the problems of being live stages.
(Yes, I'm aware they need to do more than that, but they have to be less
challenging things than live stages would be.)
Quite a few discussions about shuttle procedures by Henry Spencer
(and others) left me the impression one of shuttle's operational weak
points is requiring a lot of pad work that is usually slower and more
expensive than similar work inside the Vehicle Assembly Building would be.
I'm curious to what extent plans for Ares I, should it come to fruition,
are for it to get near the roll-it-out-and-launch-the-thing point, or if
it's expected to roll out, sit a month or two for final work, and then
take off.
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Joseph Nebus
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| OM... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:44 pm |
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On 20 Oct 2009 15:28:00 -0400, nebusj- at (no spam) -rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) wrote:
[quote]I hadn't realized the plan was to have the 1-X launch in about
a week. That seems like a lightning-quick progression from rollout to
actual launch for NASA.
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....Hey, it's not *that* much more advanced than a Redstone when you
look at it. It's really more an aerodynamics test than a full-up
system test.
OM
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| not-jonathan... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:44 pm |
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"Pat Flannery" <flanner at (no spam) daktel.com> wrote in message
news:C9qdnRSaLNGXW0DXnZ2dnUVZ_hWdnZ2d at (no spam) posted.northdakotatelephone...
[quote]Looking very tall and skinny indeed:
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/ares1x/091020rollout/index4.html
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I always thought the skinny end went first?
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| Sylvia Else... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:40 pm |
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| BradGuth... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:19 am |
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On Oct 20, 4:40 pm, Sylvia Else <syl... at (no spam) not.at.this.address> wrote:
[quote]Pat Flannery wrote:
Looking very tall and skinny indeed:
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/ares1x/091020rollout/index4.html
Pat
Hope they've read up on Euler instability.
Sylvia.
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It's a very heavy but nifty stack of modified TNT. What could
possibly go wrong? (again)
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| BradGuth... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:50 am |
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On Oct 21, 5:27 am, Sylvia Else <syl... at (no spam) not.at.this.address> wrote:
[quote]BradGuth wrote:
On Oct 20, 4:40 pm, Sylvia Else <syl... at (no spam) not.at.this.address> wrote:
Pat Flannery wrote:
Looking very tall and skinny indeed:
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/ares1x/091020rollout/index4.html
Pat
Hope they've read up on Euler instability.
Sylvia.
It's a very heavy but nifty stack of modified TNT. What could
possibly go wrong? (again)
~ BG
The perversity of inanimate objects (in this context, meaning not alive
objects) means that it will perform flawlessly until they stick humans
on top.
Sylvia.
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That's why we pay others to ride the great stick of death. It's like
Russian roulette, it's great fun for all, at least up until the last
guy finishes the game.
~ BG |
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| hallerb at (no spam) aol.com... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:28 am |
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Frankly a nice on pad EXLOSION is needed to help KILL this useless
launcher......
nice big vibrant embarasing fireball taking out pad too........... |
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| Sylvia Else... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 6:27 am |
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BradGuth wrote:
[quote]On Oct 20, 4:40 pm, Sylvia Else <syl... at (no spam) not.at.this.address> wrote:
Pat Flannery wrote:
Looking very tall and skinny indeed:
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/ares1x/091020rollout/index4.html
Pat
Hope they've read up on Euler instability.
Sylvia.
It's a very heavy but nifty stack of modified TNT. What could
possibly go wrong? (again)
~ BG
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The perversity of inanimate objects (in this context, meaning not alive
objects) means that it will perform flawlessly until they stick humans
on top.
Sylvia. |
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| Rick Jones... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 8:41 am |
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In sci.space.history Jeff Findley <jeff.findley at (no spam) ugs.nojunk.com> wrote:
[quote]You're being *very* generous today.
Other than the SRB casings, this thing has very little in common
with the actual Ares I design. It's actually a shuttle SRB (four
segment) with a dummy SRB segment on top to "simulate" a five
segment SRB. Of course, everything above the first stage is also
dummy parts to "simulate" an upper stage and an Orion capsule.
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Aren't you leaving-out the RCS (?) bits in place to keep the thing
from tumbling arse over teakettle?
rick jones
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| Joseph Nebus... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:57 am |
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OM <om at (no spam) sci.space.history> writes:
[quote]On 20 Oct 2009 15:28:00 -0400, nebusj- at (no spam) -rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) wrote:
I hadn't realized the plan was to have the 1-X launch in about
a week. That seems like a lightning-quick progression from rollout to
actual launch for NASA.
...Hey, it's not *that* much more advanced than a Redstone when you
look at it. It's really more an aerodynamics test than a full-up
system test.
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Though come to think of it, how long did the Little Joe and Big
Joe rockets spend at the launchpad waiting to be gotten ready for their
tests? A casual scan of the Mercury Chronology doesn't seem to mention
any padwork apart from launches, planned or surprise. Of course, there
isn't any way to compare the work ahead-of-the-pad versus on-the-pad of
those tests to Ares 1-X without wholesale making up of everything.
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Joseph Nebus
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| hallerb at (no spam) aol.com... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:00 pm |
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[quote]Actually, even the outer mold-lines of the Orion and its launch escape tower
is different than what is planned for Ares I. � This whole Ares I-X flight
really is little more than a stunt. �NASA management wanted to get something
flying SOON to "show progress". �All other goals, like acquiring good data
for engineering Ares I, seem to be secondary priorities.
Jeff
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probably done to avoid the nasty vibration issues on the first
launch......... |
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| Jeff Findley... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:26 pm |
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"OM" <om at (no spam) sci.space.history> wrote in message
news:9obsd511r2a7n0k95kr8dck0ncrsb4vadk at (no spam) 4ax.com...
[quote]On 20 Oct 2009 15:28:00 -0400, nebusj- at (no spam) -rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) wrote:
I hadn't realized the plan was to have the 1-X launch in about
a week. That seems like a lightning-quick progression from rollout to
actual launch for NASA.
...Hey, it's not *that* much more advanced than a Redstone when you
look at it. It's really more an aerodynamics test than a full-up
system test.
[/quote]
You're being *very* generous today.
Other than the SRB casings, this thing has very little in common with the
actual Ares I design. It's actually a shuttle SRB (four segment) with a
dummy SRB segment on top to "simulate" a five segment SRB. Of course,
everything above the first stage is also dummy parts to "simulate" an upper
stage and an Orion capsule.
Jeff
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| BradGuth... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:02 pm |
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On Oct 21, 7:28 am, "hall... at (no spam) aol.com" <hall... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
[quote]Frankly a nice on pad EXLOSION is needed to help KILL this useless
launcher......
nice big vibrant embarasing fireball taking out pad too...........
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Unfortunately, beginners luck it'll probably run even better than
hoped. Then the special insider deals get made, along with sloppy
workmanship kicking in (fear of death if caught whistle-blowing), and
we start with killing off its payload of clowns we call astronauts, as
well as vaporizing launch pads and thoroughly traumatizing most of
everything else within a 10 km radii.
~ BG |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:52 pm |
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"hallerb at (no spam) aol.com" wrote:
: Frankly a nice on pad EXLOSION is needed to help KILL this useless
: launcher......
Especially if you're strapped to it when it blows. |
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