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| Pat Flannery... |
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| Pat Flannery... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:37 pm |
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| Totorkon... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:04 am |
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On Oct 19, 10:37 pm, Pat Flannery <flan... at (no spam) daktel.com> wrote:
[quote]Pat Flannery wrote:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1122206.html
Don't know what the hell to make of this one, but here's his Wikipedia
article:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stewart_Nozette
The connection with the south pole lunar ice theory is strange to say
the least, as is his being that deeply involved in classified military
satellite technology while working for NASA.
Via NASA Watch:
Full text of the spying complaint in PDF format:http://media.nbclocalmedia.com/documents/reduced+signed+complaint.pdf
Nozette's LRO and Chandrayaan-1 work:http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/Mini-RF/team/stewart_nozette.html
There's bound to be a really fascinating back-story in regards to all this.
Pat
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Pat,
it never ceases to amaze me, what you can pull out of the internet
Totorkon, Aertrion, Stephen Kearney
it has always been fun,, what we have done |
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| Pat Flannery... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:58 am |
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Totorkon wrote:
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Pat,
it never ceases to amaze me, what you can pull out of the internet
Totorkon, Aertrion, Stephen Kearney
it has always been fun,, what we have done
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Back when capable laptops first arrived, they said a key point was
reached at NASA when during a Shuttle launch someone noticed that most
of the people in Mission Control were staring at their laptops rather
than looking at the big monitor screens.
I hit the same point when I found it was easier to look up a fact on the
web than walk into my bedroom and look it up in one of my reference books.
Pat |
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| OM... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:45 pm |
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 00:13:44 -0500, Pat Flannery <flanner at (no spam) daktel.com>
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[quote]http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1122206.html
Don't know what the hell to make of this one, but here's his Wikipedia
article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stewart_Nozette
The connection with the south pole lunar ice theory is strange to say
the least, as is his being that deeply involved in classified military
satellite technology while working for NASA.
[/quote]
....Oh great. Now some troll will no doubt come along claiming that
LCROSS was nothing but a Soviet sleeper agent program designed to
waste NASA money by sending them on a wild ice chase.
OM
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| OM... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:48 pm |
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:58:41 -0500, Pat Flannery <flanner at (no spam) daktel.com>
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[quote]Back when capable laptops first arrived, they said a key point was
reached at NASA when during a Shuttle launch someone noticed that most
of the people in Mission Control were staring at their laptops rather
than looking at the big monitor screens.
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....Then again, have you actually *been* in the MCC and seen the level
of brightness of those wallscreens? They're still rear-projected - at
least as of 2005, when Lee Briscoe let me and Brother Dim have a look
behind the curtain, so to speak - and rear projections has its
limitations on luminosity.
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| Jorge R. Frank... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:42 pm |
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OM wrote:
[quote]On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:58:41 -0500, Pat Flannery <flanner at (no spam) daktel.com
wrote:
Back when capable laptops first arrived, they said a key point was
reached at NASA when during a Shuttle launch someone noticed that most
of the people in Mission Control were staring at their laptops rather
than looking at the big monitor screens.
...Then again, have you actually *been* in the MCC and seen the level
of brightness of those wallscreens? They're still rear-projected - at
least as of 2005, when Lee Briscoe let me and Brother Dim have a look
behind the curtain, so to speak - and rear projections has its
limitations on luminosity.
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That may be true in the station FCR (FCR-1), but the shuttle FCR (White
FCR) has front-projection screens. You can see the projectors hanging
down near the front of the room. |
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| OM... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:59 pm |
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On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 20:42:40 -0500, "Jorge R. Frank"
<jrfrank at (no spam) ibm-pc.borg> wrote:
[quote]OM wrote:
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:58:41 -0500, Pat Flannery <flanner at (no spam) daktel.com
wrote:
Back when capable laptops first arrived, they said a key point was
reached at NASA when during a Shuttle launch someone noticed that most
of the people in Mission Control were staring at their laptops rather
than looking at the big monitor screens.
...Then again, have you actually *been* in the MCC and seen the level
of brightness of those wallscreens? They're still rear-projected - at
least as of 2005, when Lee Briscoe let me and Brother Dim have a look
behind the curtain, so to speak - and rear projections has its
limitations on luminosity.
That may be true in the station FCR (FCR-1), but the shuttle FCR (White
FCR) has front-projection screens. You can see the projectors hanging
down near the front of the room.
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....And even front projectors have their limits, Jorge. The fact that
the luminosity is, at best, only 65-70% of what you'd get off of a
super-sized LCD, or even a 32" picture tupe, sours the whole deal for
me. Then again, I will admit that having worked in Broadcast TV, I'm
spoiled when it comes to monitor quality, because the one thing the
station always kept state-of-the-art while I was there were the
monitors.
....Either way, I may need to bounce this off of a couple of friends
who work out at JSC and see what they can rustle up, possibly getting
me in contact with whoever's in charge of maintaining those display.
It's a really minor point of history, but I'd be curious to see if
they're making any progress towards installing those honker HD screens
or not.
OM
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| Eric Chomko... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:37 am |
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On Oct 20, 4:45 pm, OM <o... at (no spam) sci.space.history> wrote:
[quote]On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 00:13:44 -0500, Pat Flannery <flan... at (no spam) daktel.com
wrote:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1122206.html
Don't know what the hell to make of this one, but here's his Wikipedia
article:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stewart_Nozette
The connection with the south pole lunar ice theory is strange to say
the least, as is his being that deeply involved in classified military
satellite technology while working for NASA.
...Oh great. Now some troll will no doubt come along claiming that
LCROSS was nothing but a Soviet sleeper agent program designed to
waste NASA money by sending them on a wild ice chase.
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Nah, better than that!
From Nozette's wiki page:
He gave more than $36,000 in federal campaign contributions (1990–
2007), all to Republican candidates or committees.
And he's from Chevy Chase, MD, about as liberal an area as you can
get. He might as well be from San Fran or Mass. And he has a PhD in
planetary science from MIT. You'd think he was a lefty from that. But
he was able to be bought. THAT means he is indeed a conservative!
More fodder for the bar crowd on Republican night at the local pub. ha-
ha...
I wonder when he was recruited from the other side. That'd make an
interesting story. And when are we going to start fining Israel for
this sort of thing? I mean don't we give them $2 billion per year?!
And they still spy on us! I recall the White House affair during
Clinton's administration, all nicely covered up.
We sure as hell ought to track down this odd trip and not just cover
it up like the last. This damn country's got financial woes, let
Israel get $$$ support from the Chinese if they can! |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:38 am |
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| eatfastnoodle... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 1:49 pm |
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On Oct 21, 1:37 pm, Eric Chomko <pne.cho... at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 20, 4:45 pm, OM <o... at (no spam) sci.space.history> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 00:13:44 -0500, Pat Flannery <flan... at (no spam) daktel.com
wrote:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1122206.html
Don't know what the hell to make of this one, but here's his Wikipedia
article:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stewart_Nozette
The connection with the south pole lunar ice theory is strange to say
the least, as is his being that deeply involved in classified military
satellite technology while working for NASA.
...Oh great. Now some troll will no doubt come along claiming that
LCROSS was nothing but a Soviet sleeper agent program designed to
waste NASA money by sending them on a wild ice chase.
Nah, better than that!
From Nozette's wiki page:
He gave more than $36,000 in federal campaign contributions (1990–
2007), all to Republican candidates or committees.
And he's from Chevy Chase, MD, about as liberal an area as you can
get. He might as well be from San Fran or Mass. And he has a PhD in
planetary science from MIT. You'd think he was a lefty from that. But
he was able to be bought. THAT means he is indeed a conservative!
More fodder for the bar crowd on Republican night at the local pub. ha-
ha...
I wonder when he was recruited from the other side. That'd make an
interesting story. And when are we going to start fining Israel for
this sort of thing? I mean don't we give them $2 billion per year?!
And they still spy on us! I recall the White House affair during
Clinton's administration, all nicely covered up.
We sure as hell ought to track down this odd trip and not just cover
it up like the last. This damn country's got financial woes, let
Israel get $$$ support from the Chinese if they can!
[/quote]
Aside from its irrational fear of Iran and stubborn refusal to see
beyond its conflict with Palestinians when it comes to defining
"security", Israel is a very rational country conducting a very
rational foreign policy. A rational foreign policy means there is no
permanent friend or enemy, only permanent interest. (not to mention
beside the Jewish block, the biggest support Israel has in the US is
evangelical Christians whose ultimate motive regarding Israel and
Jews isn't that benevolent.) Yes, Israel and China have very solid and
long-running working relations long before China even officially
established relationship with Israel, despite China's official pro-
Arab position and despite Israel's relation with the US, the nation
not exactly friendly to Chinese interest. Yes, you can have
relationships with and do business with pretty much anybody as long as
you know how to act like an adult. No, most other countries, including
Israel, don't think there are some boogeymen out there bending on
getting them for no reason other than "who we are". This is life, this
is politics, be adult about it and deal with it. |
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| Pat Flannery... |
| Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:59 pm |
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eatfastnoodle wrote:
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Aside from its irrational fear of Iran and stubborn refusal to see
beyond its conflict with Palestinians when it comes to defining
"security", Israel is a very rational country conducting a very
rational foreign policy.
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Two things about the Nozzete case; first, although the criminal
complaint states that he went to some country with two thumb drives, and
returned without them (dumb spy move #1 - he should have downloaded them
to a computer at his destination, refilled them with innocuous data, and
brought them back) we don't know that the country in question was
Israel, although that would be a pretty good guess considering what
followed.
Second, when you read what the FBI did to catch him, it sounds fairly
close to entrapment, and I'm sure his lawyers are going to make that the
backbone of their case for his innocence.
Here, Rand Simberg recounts his memories of the man, who certainly
couldn't be called a friend or anything like that:
http://www.transterrestrial.com/?p=22664
He just kept bumping into him for around 30 years. ;-)
Pat |
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| Eric Chomko... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:32 am |
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On Nov 1, 6:49 pm, eatfastnoodle <d12s34... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 21, 1:37 pm, Eric Chomko <pne.cho... at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
On Oct 20, 4:45 pm, OM <o... at (no spam) sci.space.history> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 00:13:44 -0500, Pat Flannery <flan... at (no spam) daktel.com
wrote:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1122206.html
Don't know what the hell to make of this one, but here's his Wikipedia
article:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stewart_Nozette
The connection with the south pole lunar ice theory is strange to say
the least, as is his being that deeply involved in classified military
satellite technology while working for NASA.
...Oh great. Now some troll will no doubt come along claiming that
LCROSS was nothing but a Soviet sleeper agent program designed to
waste NASA money by sending them on a wild ice chase.
Nah, better than that!
From Nozette's wiki page:
He gave more than $36,000 in federal campaign contributions (1990–
2007), all to Republican candidates or committees.
And he's from Chevy Chase, MD, about as liberal an area as you can
get. He might as well be from San Fran or Mass. And he has a PhD in
planetary science from MIT. You'd think he was a lefty from that. But
he was able to be bought. THAT means he is indeed a conservative!
More fodder for the bar crowd on Republican night at the local pub. ha-
ha...
I wonder when he was recruited from the other side. That'd make an
interesting story. And when are we going to start fining Israel for
this sort of thing? I mean don't we give them $2 billion per year?!
And they still spy on us! I recall the White House affair during
Clinton's administration, all nicely covered up.
We sure as hell ought to track down this odd trip and not just cover
it up like the last. This damn country's got financial woes, let
Israel get $$$ support from the Chinese if they can!
Aside from its irrational fear of Iran and stubborn refusal to see
beyond its conflict with Palestinians when it comes to defining
"security", Israel is a very rational country conducting a very
rational foreign policy. A rational foreign policy means there is no
permanent friend or enemy, only permanent interest. (not to mention
beside the Jewish block, the biggest support Israel has in the US is
evangelical Christians whose ultimate motive regarding Israel and
Jews isn't that benevolent.) Yes, Israel and China have very solid and
long-running working relations long before China even officially
established relationship with Israel, despite China's official pro-
Arab position and despite Israel's relation with the US, the nation
not exactly friendly to Chinese interest. Yes, you can have
relationships with and do business with pretty much anybody as long as
you know how to act like an adult. No, most other countries, including
Israel, don't think there are some boogeymen out there bending on
getting them for no reason other than "who we are". This is life, this
is politics, be adult about it and deal with it.
[/quote]
The point is that many believe Israel is a mistake and has been a
mistake for 60 years. They have not been proven right nor proven wrong
to this very day. So this is indeed politics and reality and we have
to deal with it. My comment was more to the fact that China has many
of our dollars mostly because we like giving them away and they like
taking them, though they do manufacture a huge percentage of our
consumer goods. Well, in the case of financial aid for a country that
appears to be spying on us, Israel, why give them money at all to turn
around and give it back for arms? Heck , why not just give them the
arms? |
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