 |
|
| Science Forum Index » Philosophy Forum » Ain't Britain's NHS grand?... |
|
Page 1 of 13 Goto page 1, 2, 3 ... 11, 12, 13 Next |
|
| Author |
Message |
| Fred Weiss... |
 Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:45 am |
|
|
|
Guest
|
Well, not according to many of its own staff.
"3,000 NHS staff get private care"
THE National Health Service has spent £1.5m paying for hundreds of its
staff to have private health treatment so they can leapfrog their own
waiting lists.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article6879553.ece
Brace yourself. This is what Obama and his Wrecking Crew want to jam
down our throats.
Fred Weiss |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
| Ed... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 1:13 pm |
|
|
|
Guest
|
On Oct 19, 5:45 pm, Fred Weiss <fredwe... at (no spam) papertig.com> wrote:
[quote]Well, not according to many of its own staff.
"3,000 NHS staff get private care"
THE National Health Service has spent £1.5m paying for hundreds of its
staff to have private health treatment so they can leapfrog their own
waiting lists.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article6879553.ece
Brace yourself. This is what Obama and his Wrecking Crew want to jam
down our throats.
Fred Weiss
[/quote]
On the other hand, Republican senators and congressmen, who excoriate
Obama's health plan, seem quite content with the FEHBP, a socialized
medical care for themselves and other federal employees. |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
| Sir Frederick... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:14 pm |
|
|
|
Guest
|
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:45:35 -0700 (PDT), Fred Weiss <fredweiss at (no spam) papertig.com> wrote:
[quote]Well, not according to many of its own staff.
"3,000 NHS staff get private care"
THE National Health Service has spent £1.5m paying for hundreds of its
staff to have private health treatment so they can leapfrog their own
waiting lists.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article6879553.ece
Brace yourself. This is what Obama and his Wrecking Crew want to jam
down our throats.
Fred Weiss
[/quote]
Watch it! or you will be censored.
Welcome to Africa, BTW. |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
| bigfletch8 at (no spam) gmail.com... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 4:46 pm |
|
|
|
Guest
|
On Oct 20, 5:45 am, Fred Weiss <fredwe... at (no spam) papertig.com> wrote:
[quote]Well, not according to many of its own staff.
"3,000 NHS staff get private care"
THE National Health Service has spent £1.5m paying for hundreds of its
staff to have private health treatment so they can leapfrog their own
waiting lists.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article6879553.ece
Brace yourself. This is what Obama and his Wrecking Crew want to jam
down our throats.
Fred Weiss
[/quote]
Hang on there...Britain have had three generations to stuff it up. The
US are only getting started.
There seems something universally flawed with sickness care systems in
democratic countries.
Australia is the richest democratic nation per capita on Earth with a
national health system, paid for from income taxes, plus a widely
subscribed to, private system, and a pop of only 21 mil
Those who can not afford private insurance have to wait many months,
to a few years for 'so called' elective surgery. Even those in need of
heart bypass surgery.
This doesnt add up if you compare the three countries demographically.
BOfL |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
| Bret Cahill... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 5:06 pm |
|
|
|
Guest
|
[quote]Well, not according to many of its own staff.
"3,000 NHS staff get private care"
THE National Health Service has spent £1.5m
[/quote]
The US health care industry wastes that much money every 0.3 seconds.
Bret Cahill |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
| Andy F.... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:42 pm |
|
|
|
Guest
|
"Fred Weiss" <fredweiss at (no spam) papertig.com> wrote in message
news:545c241d-41ea-4a98-88e8-06ad96379084 at (no spam) m11g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
Well, not according to many of its own staff.
"3,000 NHS staff get private care"
THE National Health Service has spent £1.5m paying for hundreds of its
staff to have private health treatment so they can leapfrog their own
waiting lists.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article6879553.ece
Brace yourself. This is what Obama and his Wrecking Crew want to jam
down our throats.
***********************************
You mean a system where rich people get better treatment than poor people?
Wouldn't that be terrible!!!!! |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
| turtoni... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 6:51 pm |
|
|
|
Guest
|
On Oct 19, 10:46 pm, "bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com" <bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com>
wrote:
[quote]Australia is the richest democratic nation per capita on Earth
[/quote]
Stop right there.
FACT CHECK coming up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_of_living_in_the_United_States#International_household_income_comparison
Country Median household income national currency units Year PPP rate
(OECD) Median household income (PPP)
The data for each country has been converted to US dollars using
Purchasing Power Parity (obtained from the OECD).
2007 data:
Median household income:
California $55,450
United States $50,233
Canada $44,000
Switzerland (after taxes and health insurance) $43,698
New Zealand $41,000
United Kingdom $39,000
Australia $38,000
Israel $37,000
Ireland $35,000
Scotland, United Kingdom $34,000
West Virginia $33,000
Hong Kong $31,000
Singapore $30,000 |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
| Fred Weiss... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 11:09 pm |
|
|
|
Guest
|
On Oct 19, 11:06 pm, Bret Cahill <BretCah... at (no spam) peoplepc.com> wrote:
[quote]Well, not according to many of its own staff.
"3,000 NHS staff get private care"
THE National Health Service has spent £1.5m
The US health care industry wastes that much money every 0.3 seconds.
[/quote]
You mean it wastes more than the entire GDP? |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
| tg... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:25 am |
|
|
|
Guest
|
On Oct 20, 5:24 am, "Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
ho... at (no spam) yahoo.co> wrote:
[quote]"Fred Weiss" <fredwe... at (no spam) papertig.com> wrote in message
news:545c241d-41ea-4a98-88e8-06ad96379084 at (no spam) m11g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
Well, not according to many of its own staff.
"3,000 NHS staff get private care"
THE National Health Service has spent £1.5m paying for hundreds of its
staff to have private health treatment so they can leapfrog their own
waiting lists.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article6879553.ece
Brace yourself. This is what Obama and his Wrecking Crew want to jam
down our throats.
Fred Weiss
=The NHS uses a lot of private facilities to reduce waiting times. Staff of
the NHS will generally be patients of the NHS as they are in the UK legally,
and anyone in the UK legally can get treatment (indeed most that aren't as
well). The NHS is the biggest employer in Europe. Taking all this together
surely it must hapen that staff make up some proportion of those [patients
who get private treatment paid for.
[/quote]
OMG! Quantitative thinking! Track this poster down and send him/her
to Gitmo!
-tg |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
| Fred Weiss... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:30 am |
|
|
|
Guest
|
On Oct 20, 5:24 am, "Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
ho... at (no spam) yahoo.co> wrote:
[quote]=The NHS uses a lot of private facilities to reduce waiting times.
[/quote]
If socialized medicine is so wonderful why are there waiting times and
why are private facilities needed?
And it's not as if the NHS is going to solve the problem anytime soon.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6128201/1-in-10-NHS-jobs-would-have-to-be-cut-to-meet-efficiency-targets.html
Britain is also fortunate to have a private option (assuming of course
you can afford it on top of the tax burden to support the NHS). Canada
doesn't - altho' the situation there is so equally desperate they are
being forced to consider it. As it is now they pay to send patients to
the US. Of course that's the US now, with its remnant of a shred of a
shard of free market medicine. Where will they go once we embrace the
same mediocre socialized system they have?
There's always Thailand I guess.
Fred Weiss |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
| tg... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:08 am |
|
|
|
Guest
|
On Oct 20, 7:49 am, "Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
ho... at (no spam) yahoo.co> wrote:
[quote]"Fred Weiss" <fredwe... at (no spam) papertig.com> wrote in message
news:b378f3c6-0dea-438a-9a9d-46aabef7474d at (no spam) d23g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 20, 5:24 am, "Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
ho... at (no spam) yahoo.co> wrote:
=The NHS uses a lot of private facilities to reduce waiting times.
If socialized medicine is so wonderful why are there waiting times and
why are private facilities needed?
= Not sure it is so wonderful but it certainly has its advantages,
especially for the unfortunate and their relatives. There are waiting times
simply because there is never enough resources to treat everyone for
everything. However emergency and chronic treatments are the top priority
and it is mainly elective and less urgent treatment that has waiting lists.
It is certainly not ideal.
[/quote]
Again speaking to the quantitative side: I would like to see a
comparison of 'waiting times' that has some standard (unbiased)
criteria.
In the US, in the most medical-heavy city of Boston, with excellent
insurance, seeing a specialist can involve long waits and scheduling
problems. What is the case in other systems?
I am also curious to understand how we can compare waiting times when
there are so many uninsured people in the US, who don't add to the
waiting lists since they can't get care at all.
I suspect that once we take such things into account, there's not much
to recommend the US system with respect to this variable.
-tg
[quote]As to using private facilities this can lead to various efficiencies, or
access to personell or equipment that is available, deal with temporary
increases in certain needs etc etc. It is one of the strengths of the
British system that private and NHS resources are very much interlinked IMO.
And it's not as if the NHS is going to solve the problem anytime soon.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6128201/1-in-10-NHS-jobs...
Britain is also fortunate to have a private option (assuming of course
you can afford it on top of the tax burden to support the NHS). Canada
doesn't - altho' the situation there is so equally desperate they are
being forced to consider it. As it is now they pay to send patients to
the US. Of course that's the US now, with its remnant of a shred of a
shard of free market medicine. Where will they go once we embrace the
same mediocre socialized system they have?
There's always Thailand I guess.
=Or Malaysia, Philippines, both of which I have some personal experience
with but not from being treated myself fortunately. I think every country
has private medical care as well available, some just don't have much of a
social side.[/quote] |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
| Giga... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:24 am |
|
|
|
Guest
|
"Fred Weiss" <fredweiss at (no spam) papertig.com> wrote in message
news:545c241d-41ea-4a98-88e8-06ad96379084 at (no spam) m11g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
Well, not according to many of its own staff.
"3,000 NHS staff get private care"
THE National Health Service has spent £1.5m paying for hundreds of its
staff to have private health treatment so they can leapfrog their own
waiting lists.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article6879553.ece
Brace yourself. This is what Obama and his Wrecking Crew want to jam
down our throats.
Fred Weiss
=The NHS uses a lot of private facilities to reduce waiting times. Staff of
the NHS will generally be patients of the NHS as they are in the UK legally,
and anyone in the UK legally can get treatment (indeed most that aren't as
well). The NHS is the biggest employer in Europe. Taking all this together
surely it must hapen that staff make up some proportion of those [patients
who get private treatment paid for. |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
| Giga... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:49 am |
|
|
|
Guest
|
"Fred Weiss" <fredweiss at (no spam) papertig.com> wrote in message
news:b378f3c6-0dea-438a-9a9d-46aabef7474d at (no spam) d23g2000vbm.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 20, 5:24 am, "Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
ho... at (no spam) yahoo.co> wrote:
[quote]=The NHS uses a lot of private facilities to reduce waiting times.
[/quote]
If socialized medicine is so wonderful why are there waiting times and
why are private facilities needed?
= Not sure it is so wonderful but it certainly has its advantages,
especially for the unfortunate and their relatives. There are waiting times
simply because there is never enough resources to treat everyone for
everything. However emergency and chronic treatments are the top priority
and it is mainly elective and less urgent treatment that has waiting lists.
It is certainly not ideal.
As to using private facilities this can lead to various efficiencies, or
access to personell or equipment that is available, deal with temporary
increases in certain needs etc etc. It is one of the strengths of the
British system that private and NHS resources are very much interlinked IMO.
And it's not as if the NHS is going to solve the problem anytime soon.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/6128201/1-in-10-NHS-jobs-would-have-to-be-cut-to-meet-efficiency-targets.html
Britain is also fortunate to have a private option (assuming of course
you can afford it on top of the tax burden to support the NHS). Canada
doesn't - altho' the situation there is so equally desperate they are
being forced to consider it. As it is now they pay to send patients to
the US. Of course that's the US now, with its remnant of a shred of a
shard of free market medicine. Where will they go once we embrace the
same mediocre socialized system they have?
There's always Thailand I guess.
=Or Malaysia, Philippines, both of which I have some personal experience
with but not from being treated myself fortunately. I think every country
has private medical care as well available, some just don't have much of a
social side. |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
| Giga... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:52 am |
|
|
|
Guest
|
"tg" <tgdenning at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:a3ed4205-8339-4bf7-93c8-41e8dd0ae7fc at (no spam) o13g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 20, 5:24 am, "Giga" <"Giga" <just(removetheseandaddmatthe end)
ho... at (no spam) yahoo.co> wrote:
[quote]"Fred Weiss" <fredwe... at (no spam) papertig.com> wrote in message
news:545c241d-41ea-4a98-88e8-06ad96379084 at (no spam) m11g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
Well, not according to many of its own staff.
"3,000 NHS staff get private care"
THE National Health Service has spent £1.5m paying for hundreds of its
staff to have private health treatment so they can leapfrog their own
waiting lists.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article6879553.ece
Brace yourself. This is what Obama and his Wrecking Crew want to jam
down our throats.
Fred Weiss
=The NHS uses a lot of private facilities to reduce waiting times. Staff
of
the NHS will generally be patients of the NHS as they are in the UK
legally,
and anyone in the UK legally can get treatment (indeed most that aren't as
well). The NHS is the biggest employer in Europe. Taking all this together
surely it must hapen that staff make up some proportion of those [patients
who get private treatment paid for.
[/quote]
OMG! Quantitative thinking! Track this poster down and send him/her
to Gitmo!
: ) |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
| bigfletch8 at (no spam) gmail.com... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:33 am |
|
|
|
Guest
|
On Oct 20, 12:51 pm, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 19, 10:46 pm, "bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com" <bigflet... at (no spam) gmail.com
wrote:
Australia is the richest democratic nation per capita on Earth
Stop right there.
FACT CHECK coming up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_of_living_in_the_United_States#...
Country Median household income national currency units Year PPP rate
(OECD) Median household income (PPP)
The data for each country has been converted to US dollars using
Purchasing Power Parity (obtained from the OECD).
2007 data:
Median household income:
California $55,450
United States $50,233
Canada $44,000
Switzerland (after taxes and health insurance) $43,698
New Zealand $41,000
United Kingdom $39,000
Australia $38,000
Israel $37,000
Ireland $35,000
Scotland, United Kingdom $34,000
West Virginia $33,000
Hong Kong $31,000
Singapore $30,000
[/quote]
Sorry, I didnt think I would have to elaborate, not being the point of
the thread. You have presented stats on median income.Thats not what
Im referring to.
Always ready to pounce from your sniper position.
Seeing you are so keen, try looking up the "countries" income from
tourism, education (Invisible exports in case you dont get that one),
coal, iron ore, gold, diamonds,(plus a whole range of
minerals),food,technology (yes we did invent wifi), liquefied natural
gas, oil (yes oil), and divide that by 21 mill.We are also one of the
highest tax payers in the western world.
You may also have noticed, that we have performed better than any of
the G20 countries after the American created financial debacle,
showing growth of about 2 to 3% with an unemployment rate of about
5.5%, but hey, dont ley the facts get in the way of a good 'snipe'.
Everything that makes other countries rich, we have all of them in
abundance.
I know it would have gone over your head, but I was making a point
about 'sickness support systems', and how they seem to have similar
symptoms, regardless of the status of the country.
BOfL |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
|
All times are GMT - 5 Hours
The time now is Sat Dec 12, 2009 2:35 am
|
|