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| chazwin... |
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On Oct 26, 1:58 am, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 25, 9:17 am, chazwin <chazwy... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 24, 7:19 pm, tooly <rd... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote:
On Oct 23, 7:10 am, chazwin <chazwy... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
As usual you are talking the usual bollocks from your perspective from
the outer planets.
Didn't you have a bout with cancer chazwin? Hope you are ok now [if
correct on this]. How did the system work for you if so?
I am really pleased to be able to say that the NHS saved my life.
I had two surgeries, 33 radio-terapy sessions on my head and neck, 6
day long chemotherapy sessions, 3 scans (MRI/CT/PT combined), access
to a dietitian and speech therapist, a large bag of various drugs
such as anti-emetics, anti-depressants, pain killers, digestive
remedies such as lanzaprzole, and more, weekly consultations with the
oncologist during treatment. It has been 1 year since the end of
treatment and have been seen every 6-8 weeks for back-up examinations.
I will continue with check-ups every 3 months for another year.
All I had to pay for is a pre-payment card for prescriptions about
£100 per year, and £1 per day for parking the car.
Plus the $4000 you paid in national insurance for the year?
(snip)
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Actually I paid nothing in NI because I was too ill to work idiot!
Think about it!
If I had also been poorer I would have benefited from unemployment
payments too.
And, as I have said numerous time before the NHS costs an average of
£2000 per capita, which you pay when you work, not when you are ill. |
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| 1Z... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:31 am |
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On 26 Oct, 02:08, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
[quote]Actually i was just thinking. Since most British people live and work
in the UK for all their lives, they HAVE to pay into the national
insurance as soon as they start working. I wonder how much that add's
up to over a lifetime? For me, that would have been quite a large sum
of money, especially, since i've never really be ill with anything
(touch wood).
[/quote]
Some people will pay in more than they take out,
some will take out more than they pay in. Exactly the
same is true of private insurance.
Insurance is a cost-spreading mechanism. |
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| chazwin... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:08 am |
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On Oct 26, 11:31 am, 1Z <peterdjo... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]On 26 Oct, 02:08, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
Actually i was just thinking. Since most British people live and work
in the UK for all their lives, they HAVE to pay into the national
insurance as soon as they start working. I wonder how much that add's
up to over a lifetime? For me, that would have been quite a large sum
of money, especially, since i've never really be ill with anything
(touch wood).
Some people will pay in more than they take out,
some will take out more than they pay in. Exactly the
same is true of private insurance.
Insurance is a cost-spreading mechanism.
[/quote]
The only real difference between the US and UK , is that in the UK you
can benefit from the scheme before you put in, and when you are least
able to put it - like when you are just born, are ill, or are old. |
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| tg... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 2:09 am |
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On Oct 26, 7:31 am, 1Z <peterdjo... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]On 26 Oct, 02:08, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
Actually i was just thinking. Since most British people live and work
in the UK for all their lives, they HAVE to pay into the national
insurance as soon as they start working. I wonder how much that add's
up to over a lifetime? For me, that would have been quite a large sum
of money, especially, since i've never really be ill with anything
(touch wood).
Some people will pay in more than they take out,
some will take out more than they pay in. Exactly the
same is true of private insurance.
Insurance is a cost-spreading mechanism.
[/quote]
And 'private' insurance in the US receives a large government subsidy.
So even ignoring the issue of uncompensated care, many of us have been
paying to support others that aren't in our own insurance plan.
-tg |
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| turtoni... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:01 am |
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On Oct 26, 7:10 am, chazwin <chazwy... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 26, 1:58 am, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
On Oct 25, 9:17 am, chazwin <chazwy... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 24, 7:19 pm, tooly <rd... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote:
On Oct 23, 7:10 am, chazwin <chazwy... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
As usual you are talking the usual bollocks from your perspective from
the outer planets.
Didn't you have a bout with cancer chazwin? Hope you are ok now [if
correct on this]. How did the system work for you if so?
I am really pleased to be able to say that the NHS saved my life.
I had two surgeries, 33 radio-terapy sessions on my head and neck, 6
day long chemotherapy sessions, 3 scans (MRI/CT/PT combined), access
to a dietitian and speech therapist, a large bag of various drugs
such as anti-emetics, anti-depressants, pain killers, digestive
remedies such as lanzaprzole, and more, weekly consultations with the
oncologist during treatment. It has been 1 year since the end of
treatment and have been seen every 6-8 weeks for back-up examinations..
I will continue with check-ups every 3 months for another year.
All I had to pay for is a pre-payment card for prescriptions about
£100 per year, and £1 per day for parking the car.
Plus the $4000 you paid in national insurance for the year?
(snip)
Actually I paid nothing in NI because I was too ill to work idiot!
Think about it!
[/quote]
Right. But you were paying into the NI when you were working, yer
stupid yank.
[quote]If I had also been poorer I would have benefited from unemployment
payments too.
And, as I have said numerous time before the NHS costs an average of
£2000 per capita, which you pay when you work, not when you are ill.
[/quote]
Which is about $4000 a year in DOLLARS. |
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| turtoni... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:02 am |
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On Oct 26, 7:31 am, 1Z <peterdjo... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]On 26 Oct, 02:08, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
Actually i was just thinking. Since most British people live and work
in the UK for all their lives, they HAVE to pay into the national
insurance as soon as they start working. I wonder how much that add's
up to over a lifetime? For me, that would have been quite a large sum
of money, especially, since i've never really be ill with anything
(touch wood).
Some people will pay in more than they take out,
some will take out more than they pay in. Exactly the
same is true of private insurance.
Insurance is a cost-spreading mechanism.
[/quote]
Right. Except that millions in the US don't pay jack shit especially
the young and healthy. |
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| turtoni... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:03 am |
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On Oct 26, 8:08 am, chazwin <chazwy... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 26, 11:31 am, 1Z <peterdjo... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On 26 Oct, 02:08, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
Actually i was just thinking. Since most British people live and work
in the UK for all their lives, they HAVE to pay into the national
insurance as soon as they start working. I wonder how much that add's
up to over a lifetime? For me, that would have been quite a large sum
of money, especially, since i've never really be ill with anything
(touch wood).
Some people will pay in more than they take out,
some will take out more than they pay in. Exactly the
same is true of private insurance.
Insurance is a cost-spreading mechanism.
The only real difference between the US and UK , is that in the UK you
can benefit from the scheme before you put in, and when you are least
able to put it - like when you are just born, are ill, or are old.
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Yeah, in the US people are having babies in the streets.. |
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| turtoni... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:03 am |
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On Oct 26, 8:09 am, tg <tgdenn... at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 26, 7:31 am, 1Z <peterdjo... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On 26 Oct, 02:08, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
Actually i was just thinking. Since most British people live and work
in the UK for all their lives, they HAVE to pay into the national
insurance as soon as they start working. I wonder how much that add's
up to over a lifetime? For me, that would have been quite a large sum
of money, especially, since i've never really be ill with anything
(touch wood).
Some people will pay in more than they take out,
some will take out more than they pay in. Exactly the
same is true of private insurance.
Insurance is a cost-spreading mechanism.
And 'private' insurance in the US receives a large government subsidy.
So even ignoring the issue of uncompensated care, many of us have been
paying to support others that aren't in our own insurance plan.
-tg
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RIGHT. |
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| tg... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:32 am |
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On Oct 26, 1:03 pm, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 26, 8:09 am, tg <tgdenn... at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
On Oct 26, 7:31 am, 1Z <peterdjo... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On 26 Oct, 02:08, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
Actually i was just thinking. Since most British people live and work
in the UK for all their lives, they HAVE to pay into the national
insurance as soon as they start working. I wonder how much that add's
up to over a lifetime? For me, that would have been quite a large sum
of money, especially, since i've never really be ill with anything
(touch wood).
Some people will pay in more than they take out,
some will take out more than they pay in. Exactly the
same is true of private insurance.
Insurance is a cost-spreading mechanism.
And 'private' insurance in the US receives a large government subsidy.
So even ignoring the issue of uncompensated care, many of us have been
paying to support others that aren't in our own insurance plan.
-tg
RIGHT.
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Which demonstrates the superiority of highly state-controlled
universal coverage to the US model. What we have is simply a shell
game that costs more and delivers less.
-tg |
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| 1Z... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 7:44 am |
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On 26 Oct, 17:02, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
[quote]Right. Except that millions in the US don't pay jack shit especially
the young and healthy.
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And they get jack shit right back for it.
Oh, and make the system mroe expensive for eveybody else. |
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| chazwin... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:45 am |
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On Oct 26, 5:03 pm, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 26, 8:08 am, chazwin <chazwy... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 26, 11:31 am, 1Z <peterdjo... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On 26 Oct, 02:08, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
Actually i was just thinking. Since most British people live and work
in the UK for all their lives, they HAVE to pay into the national
insurance as soon as they start working. I wonder how much that add's
up to over a lifetime? For me, that would have been quite a large sum
of money, especially, since i've never really be ill with anything
(touch wood).
Some people will pay in more than they take out,
some will take out more than they pay in. Exactly the
same is true of private insurance.
Insurance is a cost-spreading mechanism.
The only real difference between the US and UK , is that in the UK you
can benefit from the scheme before you put in, and when you are least
able to put it - like when you are just born, are ill, or are old.
Yeah, in the US people are having babies in the streets..
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That would be funny if it were not true. |
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| chazwin... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:46 am |
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On Oct 26, 12:09 pm, tg <tgdenn... at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 26, 7:31 am, 1Z <peterdjo... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On 26 Oct, 02:08, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
Actually i was just thinking. Since most British people live and work
in the UK for all their lives, they HAVE to pay into the national
insurance as soon as they start working. I wonder how much that add's
up to over a lifetime? For me, that would have been quite a large sum
of money, especially, since i've never really be ill with anything
(touch wood).
Some people will pay in more than they take out,
some will take out more than they pay in. Exactly the
same is true of private insurance.
Insurance is a cost-spreading mechanism.
And 'private' insurance in the US receives a large government subsidy.
So even ignoring the issue of uncompensated care, many of us have been
paying to support others that aren't in our own insurance plan.
-tg
[/quote]
I didn't know that. Any idea how much it costs the tax payer in
corporate tax breaks? |
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| chazwin... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:48 am |
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On Oct 26, 5:02 pm, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 26, 7:31 am, 1Z <peterdjo... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On 26 Oct, 02:08, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
Actually i was just thinking. Since most British people live and work
in the UK for all their lives, they HAVE to pay into the national
insurance as soon as they start working. I wonder how much that add's
up to over a lifetime? For me, that would have been quite a large sum
of money, especially, since i've never really be ill with anything
(touch wood).
Some people will pay in more than they take out,
some will take out more than they pay in. Exactly the
same is true of private insurance.
Insurance is a cost-spreading mechanism.
Right. Except that millions in the US don't pay jack shit especially
the young and healthy.
[/quote]
They are gambling that they don't get run over or get a serious
disease tomorrow. |
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| chazwin... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:50 am |
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On Oct 26, 5:01 pm, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 26, 7:10 am, chazwin <chazwy... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 26, 1:58 am, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
On Oct 25, 9:17 am, chazwin <chazwy... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 24, 7:19 pm, tooly <rd... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote:
On Oct 23, 7:10 am, chazwin <chazwy... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
As usual you are talking the usual bollocks from your perspective from
the outer planets.
Didn't you have a bout with cancer chazwin? Hope you are ok now [if
correct on this]. How did the system work for you if so?
I am really pleased to be able to say that the NHS saved my life.
I had two surgeries, 33 radio-terapy sessions on my head and neck, 6
day long chemotherapy sessions, 3 scans (MRI/CT/PT combined), access
to a dietitian and speech therapist, a large bag of various drugs
such as anti-emetics, anti-depressants, pain killers, digestive
remedies such as lanzaprzole, and more, weekly consultations with the
oncologist during treatment. It has been 1 year since the end of
treatment and have been seen every 6-8 weeks for back-up examinations.
I will continue with check-ups every 3 months for another year.
All I had to pay for is a pre-payment card for prescriptions about
£100 per year, and £1 per day for parking the car.
Plus the $4000 you paid in national insurance for the year?
(snip)
Actually I paid nothing in NI because I was too ill to work idiot!
Think about it!
Right. But you were paying into the NI when you were working, yer
stupid yank.
If I had also been poorer I would have benefited from unemployment
payments too.
And, as I have said numerous time before the NHS costs an average of
£2000 per capita, which you pay when you work, not when you are ill.
Which is about $4000 a year in DOLLARS.
[/quote]
No its more like $3200.
How much do you have to pay for 100% coverage.? |
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| chazwin... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:52 am |
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On Oct 26, 5:01 pm, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
[quote]On Oct 26, 7:10 am, chazwin <chazwy... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 26, 1:58 am, turtoni <turt... at (no spam) fastmail.net> wrote:
On Oct 25, 9:17 am, chazwin <chazwy... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 24, 7:19 pm, tooly <rd... at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote:
On Oct 23, 7:10 am, chazwin <chazwy... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
As usual you are talking the usual bollocks from your perspective from
the outer planets.
Didn't you have a bout with cancer chazwin? Hope you are ok now [if
correct on this]. How did the system work for you if so?
I am really pleased to be able to say that the NHS saved my life.
I had two surgeries, 33 radio-terapy sessions on my head and neck, 6
day long chemotherapy sessions, 3 scans (MRI/CT/PT combined), access
to a dietitian and speech therapist, a large bag of various drugs
such as anti-emetics, anti-depressants, pain killers, digestive
remedies such as lanzaprzole, and more, weekly consultations with the
oncologist during treatment. It has been 1 year since the end of
treatment and have been seen every 6-8 weeks for back-up examinations.
I will continue with check-ups every 3 months for another year.
All I had to pay for is a pre-payment card for prescriptions about
£100 per year, and £1 per day for parking the car.
Plus the $4000 you paid in national insurance for the year?
(snip)
Actually I paid nothing in NI because I was too ill to work idiot!
Think about it!
Right. But you were paying into the NI when you were working, yer
stupid yank.
If I had also been poorer I would have benefited from unemployment
payments too.
And, as I have said numerous time before the NHS costs an average of
£2000 per capita, which you pay when you work, not when you are ill.
Which is about $4000 a year in DOLLARS.
[/quote]
$3200 - but you are missing the point. I paid nothing when I was ill,
having no job at the time. |
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