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| Eddie... |
 Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:37 am |
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I want to write (by hand) if some voice recordings of mine are in
mono or stereo.
Are there some standard symbols used for a mono mic and a stereo
mic?
Are there mono/stereo mic symbols used in schematic circuit diagrams
which could be used?
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I've seen two overlapping circles used for stereo. But for some
reason a mono mic is one circle PLUS a short bar
http://tinyurl.com/ykdar8p |
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| Lostgallifreyan... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:38 am |
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Eddie <dummy at (no spam) invalid.com> wrote in
news:Xns9CA5B35E7A5FA91F3A2 at (no spam) feeder.eternal-september.org:
[quote:54b57e9d51]I want to write (by hand) if some voice recordings of mine are in
mono or stereo.
Are there some standard symbols used for a mono mic and a stereo
mic?
Are there mono/stereo mic symbols used in schematic circuit diagrams
which could be used?
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I've seen two overlapping circles used for stereo. But for some
reason a mono mic is one circle PLUS a short bar
http://tinyurl.com/ykdar8p
[/quote:54b57e9d51]
That comes from an original design, a 'ball and biscuit' mic, where the ball
was a magnetic former and container for a dynamic mic with voice coil, and
the 'biscuit' was a pop shield to prevent plosives from speech affecting it
badly at close range. The bar is the 'biscuit' seen edge on.
Your ideas for symbols seem ok to me, I can't think of better ones. Other
symbols have been used, but staying with the ones you've seen is a good way
to avoid ambiguous or unmemorable ones. (Although in a schematic, two circles
overlapping can mean a constant current source so there's often something
else implied by a simple symbol if the context changes.) |
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| Michael Black... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:53 am |
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Eddie wrote:
[quote:2a45c19fb2]I want to write (by hand) if some voice recordings of mine are in
mono or stereo.
Are there some standard symbols used for a mono mic and a stereo
mic?
Are there mono/stereo mic symbols used in schematic circuit diagrams
which could be used?
There are rarely stereo microphones. Usually just two microphones. Even[/quote:2a45c19fb2]
when something has two microphone elements in close proximity, on a
schematic they would appear as two microphones, since there would be
two elements hooked up to separate circuitry.
Why not "M" for mono, "S" for stereo?
That's so much simpler than drawing a symbol, even if you had something
that was standard.
Michael
[quote:2a45c19fb2]--------------------------------
I've seen two overlapping circles used for stereo. But for some
reason a mono mic is one circle PLUS a short bar
http://tinyurl.com/ykdar8p
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| John Fields... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:06 pm |
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:53:01 -0400, Michael Black <et472 at (no spam) ncf.ca> wrote:
[quote:b86f40c72c]On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Eddie wrote:
I want to write (by hand) if some voice recordings of mine are in
mono or stereo.
Are there some standard symbols used for a mono mic and a stereo
mic?
Are there mono/stereo mic symbols used in schematic circuit diagrams
which could be used?
There are rarely stereo microphones. Usually just two microphones. Even
when something has two microphone elements in close proximity, on a
schematic they would appear as two microphones, since there would be
two elements hooked up to separate circuitry.
Why not "M" for mono, "S" for stereo?
That's so much simpler than drawing a symbol, even if you had something
that was standard.
Michael
[/quote:b86f40c72c]
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http://library.thinkquest.org/10784/circuit_symbols.html |
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| Michael Black... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:15 pm |
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, John Fields wrote:
[quote:ca85b093fc]On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:53:01 -0400, Michael Black <et472 at (no spam) ncf.ca> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Eddie wrote:
I want to write (by hand) if some voice recordings of mine are in
mono or stereo.
Are there some standard symbols used for a mono mic and a stereo
mic?
Are there mono/stereo mic symbols used in schematic circuit diagrams
which could be used?
There are rarely stereo microphones. Usually just two microphones. Even
when something has two microphone elements in close proximity, on a
schematic they would appear as two microphones, since there would be
two elements hooked up to separate circuitry.
Why not "M" for mono, "S" for stereo?
That's so much simpler than drawing a symbol, even if you had something
that was standard.
Michael
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http://library.thinkquest.org/10784/circuit_symbols.html
But he wants something to indicate mono or stereo. I agree, that's a[/quote:ca85b093fc]
fairly standard symbol for a microphone, but he wants something to
indicate stereo. And I would argue that an "M" is still simpler than
drawing the mic symbol.
Michael |
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| ehsjr... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:26 pm |
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Michael Black wrote:
[quote:ef7e537ceb]On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, John Fields wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:53:01 -0400, Michael Black <et472 at (no spam) ncf.ca> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Eddie wrote:
I want to write (by hand) if some voice recordings of mine are in
mono or stereo.
Are there some standard symbols used for a mono mic and a stereo
mic?
Are there mono/stereo mic symbols used in schematic circuit diagrams
which could be used?
There are rarely stereo microphones. Usually just two microphones.
Even
when something has two microphone elements in close proximity, on a
schematic they would appear as two microphones, since there would be
two elements hooked up to separate circuitry.
Why not "M" for mono, "S" for stereo?
That's so much simpler than drawing a symbol, even if you had something
that was standard.
Michael
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http://library.thinkquest.org/10784/circuit_symbols.html
But he wants something to indicate mono or stereo. I agree, that's a
fairly standard symbol for a microphone, but he wants something to
indicate stereo. And I would argue that an "M" is still simpler than
drawing the mic symbol.
Michael
[/quote:ef7e537ceb]
Simpler is irrelevant. It's all about clear communication, not
about whether a symbol is easier or harder to draw.
If it is not a standard symbol, then the person looking at the
schematic may not understand what the symbol is supposed to
mean. D= is a mic symbol (when properly drawn) - there is no need
to identify it as mono with an M, it already is mono. If you
replace the symbol with an M, you still need to show the two
legs. And someone could still mistake it - for example, maybe the
"M" means meter. If you want to show a mic as stereo, then you
have to show where the other two legs connect, so merely adding
an S is not enough. And if you show it as just an S, someone might
think it represents a sine wave.
Ed |
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| Lostgallifreyan... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:12 pm |
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Eddie <dummy at (no spam) invalid.com> wrote in
news:Xns9CA5B35E7A5FA91F3A2 at (no spam) feeder.eternal-september.org:
[quote:fe63c27c78]I want to write (by hand) if some voice recordings of mine are in
mono or stereo.
Are there some standard symbols used for a mono mic and a stereo
mic?
Are there mono/stereo mic symbols used in schematic circuit diagrams
which could be used?
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I've seen two overlapping circles used for stereo. But for some
reason a mono mic is one circle PLUS a short bar
http://tinyurl.com/ykdar8p
[/quote:fe63c27c78]
Here's an idea...
For mono, do the usual, the circle and bar. If you were using it in a block
diagram you'd get by with one pin coming off the circle at the point opposite
the bar's contact with the circle, otherwise two, each slightly offset from
that position, and parallel.
For stereo, use the two overlapping circles, and a bar joining tangents on
each and extending to a point at each end coexistent with a tangent on the
points most distant from each other on the double-circle pattern. (Bar is
this same length now). Add one pin to each circle as before, for block
diagrams, and for schematics, a third extending from the circle intersection
point out to a point halfway between the outer ends of the other pins.
Stereo mics do exist, so this symbol makes sense, it fits existing
conventions, and isn't going to get confused with a current source symbol
because that has no bar, and its pins are in line, not offset.
I could have just drawn this, but I have no file hosting arranged, and
figuring that out is a lot harder than saying this stuff.. |
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| John Fields... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:13 am |
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:15:56 -0400, Michael Black <et472 at (no spam) ncf.ca> wrote:
[quote:ba1c1b6dda]On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, John Fields wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:53:01 -0400, Michael Black <et472 at (no spam) ncf.ca> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Eddie wrote:
I want to write (by hand) if some voice recordings of mine are in
mono or stereo.
Are there some standard symbols used for a mono mic and a stereo
mic?
Are there mono/stereo mic symbols used in schematic circuit diagrams
which could be used?
There are rarely stereo microphones. Usually just two microphones. Even
when something has two microphone elements in close proximity, on a
schematic they would appear as two microphones, since there would be
two elements hooked up to separate circuitry.
Why not "M" for mono, "S" for stereo?
That's so much simpler than drawing a symbol, even if you had something
that was standard.
Michael
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http://library.thinkquest.org/10784/circuit_symbols.html
But he wants something to indicate mono or stereo. I agree, that's a
fairly standard symbol for a microphone, but he wants something to
indicate stereo. And I would argue that an "M" is still simpler than
drawing the mic symbol.
[/quote:ba1c1b6dda]
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If it's on a schematic some sort of symbol will need to be drawn, no
matter what, and if it's mono a single symbol with its reference
designator (MK1, say) will work.
For a case of a single stereo microphone I'd use two symbols enclosed
within a dashed line rectangle and reference designators MK1L and MK1R. |
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| Michael Black... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:49 am |
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, ehsjr wrote:
[quote:50a9d63fd2]Michael Black wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, John Fields wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:53:01 -0400, Michael Black <et472 at (no spam) ncf.ca> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Eddie wrote:
I want to write (by hand) if some voice recordings of mine are in
mono or stereo.
Are there some standard symbols used for a mono mic and a stereo
mic?
Are there mono/stereo mic symbols used in schematic circuit diagrams
which could be used?
There are rarely stereo microphones. Usually just two microphones. Even
when something has two microphone elements in close proximity, on a
schematic they would appear as two microphones, since there would be
two elements hooked up to separate circuitry.
Why not "M" for mono, "S" for stereo?
That's so much simpler than drawing a symbol, even if you had something
that was standard.
Michael
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http://library.thinkquest.org/10784/circuit_symbols.html
But he wants something to indicate mono or stereo. I agree, that's a
fairly standard symbol for a microphone, but he wants something to indicate
stereo. And I would argue that an "M" is still simpler than
drawing the mic symbol.
Michael
Simpler is irrelevant. It's all about clear communication, not
about whether a symbol is easier or harder to draw.
Reread his post. He's talking about labelling recorded material, not[/quote:50a9d63fd2]
drawing a schematic. What's relevant for a schematic is not relevant in
this case.
Using letters or full words, "Mono" and "Stereo" fits the scenario far
better than trying to find some imaginary schematic symbol for a "stereo
microphone" which will take a lot more effort to draw for his purposes.
Michael
[quote:50a9d63fd2]If it is not a standard symbol, then the person looking at the
schematic may not understand what the symbol is supposed to
mean. D= is a mic symbol (when properly drawn) - there is no need
to identify it as mono with an M, it already is mono. If you
replace the symbol with an M, you still need to show the two
legs. And someone could still mistake it - for example, maybe the
"M" means meter. If you want to show a mic as stereo, then you
have to show where the other two legs connect, so merely adding
an S is not enough. And if you show it as just an S, someone might
think it represents a sine wave.
Ed
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| ehsjr... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:15 pm |
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Michael Black wrote:
[quote:b61c2d6ba2]On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, ehsjr wrote:
Michael Black wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, John Fields wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:53:01 -0400, Michael Black <et472 at (no spam) ncf.ca> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Eddie wrote:
I want to write (by hand) if some voice recordings of mine are in
mono or stereo.
Are there some standard symbols used for a mono mic and a stereo
mic?
Are there mono/stereo mic symbols used in schematic circuit diagrams
which could be used?
There are rarely stereo microphones. Usually just two
microphones. Even
when something has two microphone elements in close proximity, on a
schematic they would appear as two microphones, since there would be
two elements hooked up to separate circuitry.
Why not "M" for mono, "S" for stereo?
That's so much simpler than drawing a symbol, even if you had
something
that was standard.
Michael
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http://library.thinkquest.org/10784/circuit_symbols.html
But he wants something to indicate mono or stereo. I agree, that's a
fairly standard symbol for a microphone, but he wants something to
indicate stereo. And I would argue that an "M" is still simpler than
drawing the mic symbol.
Michael
Simpler is irrelevant. It's all about clear communication, not
about whether a symbol is easier or harder to draw.
Reread his post.
[/quote:b61c2d6ba2]
I was answering what you were talking about, which seemed to be
schematics: "There are rarely stereo microphones. Usually just two
microphones. Even when something has two microphone elements in close
proximity, on a schematic they would appear as two microphones, since
there would be two elements hooked up to separate circuitry."
[quote:b61c2d6ba2]He's talking about labelling recorded material, not
drawing a schematic. What's relevant for a schematic is not relevant in
this case.
[/quote:b61c2d6ba2]
Right. If it's just about labelling the recordings, then Mono or
Stereo works well, and better than making up a symbol.
Ed
[quote:b61c2d6ba2]Using letters or full words, "Mono" and "Stereo" fits the scenario far
better than trying to find some imaginary schematic symbol for a "stereo
microphone" which will take a lot more effort to draw for his purposes.
Michael
If it is not a standard symbol, then the person looking at the
schematic may not understand what the symbol is supposed to
mean. D= is a mic symbol (when properly drawn) - there is no need
to identify it as mono with an M, it already is mono. If you
replace the symbol with an M, you still need to show the two
legs. And someone could still mistake it - for example, maybe the
"M" means meter. If you want to show a mic as stereo, then you
have to show where the other two legs connect, so merely adding
an S is not enough. And if you show it as just an S, someone might
think it represents a sine wave.
Ed
[/quote:b61c2d6ba2] |
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| Rich Grise... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:48 pm |
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On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:15:56 -0400, Michael Black wrote:
[quote:7e4601f920]On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, John Fields wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:53:01 -0400, Michael Black <et472 at (no spam) ncf.ca> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Oct 2009, Eddie wrote:
I want to write (by hand) if some voice recordings of mine are in mono
or stereo.
Are there some standard symbols used for a mono mic and a stereo mic?
Are there mono/stereo mic symbols used in schematic circuit diagrams
which could be used?
There are rarely stereo microphones. Usually just two microphones.
Even when something has two microphone elements in close proximity, on
a schematic they would appear as two microphones, since there would be
two elements hooked up to separate circuitry.
Why not "M" for mono, "S" for stereo?
That's so much simpler than drawing a symbol, even if you had something
that was standard.
http://library.thinkquest.org/10784/circuit_symbols.html
But he wants something to indicate mono or stereo. I agree, that's a
fairly standard symbol for a microphone, but he wants something to
indicate stereo. And I would argue that an "M" is still simpler than
drawing the mic symbol.
Just use two mics, one labeled "Right" and the other labeled "Left."[/quote:7e4601f920]
Sure, there are "stereo mics", but they're really just two mics in the
same package.
Cheers!
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| Lostgallifreyan... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:44 pm |
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ehsjr <ehsjr at (no spam) nospamverizon.net> wrote in news:hbad7t$17e$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-
september.org:
[quote:ba278c3dcd]Right. If it's just about labelling the recordings, then Mono or
Stereo works well, and better than making up a symbol.
[/quote:ba278c3dcd]
Some people use labelling machines with basic graphic capability, or they
print them from a computer onto a sheet of little paper labels. So if you
only design it once you might as well do something that looks nice. I like my
idea of combining the two overlapping cirles and the standard circle/bar
symbol, as it's a simple design and seems to fit well with what the OP had in
mind, AND is unambiguous enough for schematics and block diagrams too. |
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| Lostgallifreyan... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:47 pm |
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Rich Grise <richgrise at (no spam) example.net> wrote in
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[quote:622cc8d205]Just use two mics, one labeled "Right" and the other labeled "Left."
Sure, there are "stereo mics", but they're really just two mics in the
same package.
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This is true, but when the point is to think in terms of a pairing as default
state that would be like having to always explicitly specify multiples of the
scissor, or the trouser. |
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| Lostgallifreyan... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:53 pm |
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Lostgallifreyan <no-one at (no spam) nowhere.net> wrote in
news:Xns9CA73030F5F62zoodlewurdle at (no spam) 216.196.109.145:
[quote:d3d3ad55eb]ehsjr <ehsjr at (no spam) nospamverizon.net> wrote in news:hbad7t$17e$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-
september.org:
Right. If it's just about labelling the recordings, then Mono or
Stereo works well, and better than making up a symbol.
Some people use labelling machines with basic graphic capability, or
they print them from a computer onto a sheet of little paper labels. So
if you only design it once you might as well do something that looks
nice. I like my idea of combining the two overlapping cirles and the
standard circle/bar symbol, as it's a simple design and seems to fit
well with what the OP had in mind, AND is unambiguous enough for
schematics and block diagrams too.
[/quote:d3d3ad55eb]
And for the proverbial shits and giggles, consider a real stereo mic, a
mid/side type built in a single capsule, where you might symbolise it with
two adjacent touching circles with a bar tangential to both. (Bar for
directional mid, circles-as-figure-8 for bidirectional side) Though I think
that might be more ambiguous, I think I've seen that kind of shape meaning
something else, somewhere.. |
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| Proteus IIV... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:49 pm |
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On Oct 15, 12:37 pm, Eddie <du... at (no spam) invalid.com> wrote:
[quote:fcd34c4c17]I want to write (by hand) if some voice recordings of mine are in
mono or stereo.
Are there some standard symbols used for a mono mic and a stereo
mic?
Are there mono/stereo mic symbols used in schematic circuit diagrams
which could be used?
--------------------------------
I've seen two overlapping circles used for stereo. But for some
reason a mono mic is one circle PLUS a short bar
http://tinyurl.com/ykdar8p
[/quote:fcd34c4c17]
THERE ARE OVER 10 SYMBOLS TO DEPICT A MICROPHNOE IN DIAGRAMS DEPENDING
ON IT'S TYPE
IT IS SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO THE SYMBOL FOR A SPEAKER BUT FOR THE CONE
OR AIR EXPANSION/CONTACT AREA WITH IS USUALLY CONCAVE FOR A MIKE AND
FLAT FOR A SPEAKER
THE COIL IS USUALLY ENCLOSED WITHIN THE MIKE SYMBOL AND OFFSET OFF THE
CONE IN A SPEAKER
THOUGH THAT IS JUST A ROUGH GENERAL DISCRIPT IT SHOULD HELP YOU DECIDE
WHICH ONE TO USE
I AM PROTEUS |
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