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| JTEM... |
 Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:44 pm |
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Tiglath <te... at (no spam) tiglath.net> wrote:
[quote]I am reading
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No, seriously, what is it you think you're doing, you
worthless Obumhole worshipper?
And does Bush II reward you in this world or the
next? |
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| JTEM... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:46 pm |
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Tiglath <te... at (no spam) tiglath.net> wrote:
[quote]Don't be
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Thanks. I'll read that just as soon as I care what a
mental case hiding behind a sock puppet has to
say. |
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| JTEM... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:47 pm |
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Weland <gi... at (no spam) poetic.com> wrote:
[quote]Oh indeed! You are
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Nope, still no legitimate reasons for interpreting
the Merneptah stele as mentioning Israel... but
plenty of mindless ad hominem.
Well, okay, more "Mindless" than "ad hominem." |
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| JTEM... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:50 pm |
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igor <inbellt... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]You are one of those people
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Really? Not two of those people or even three? It's
definitely "One," and you counted all by yourself?
__Wow!__
I. Am. Impressed. |
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| JTEM... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:52 pm |
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Weland <gi... at (no spam) poetic.com> wrote:
[quote]JTEM wrote:
It wasn't my claim, shit for brains. I said that Larry Swain
aka "Weland" forged a quote, and has resorted to forging
quotes in pretty much every exchange we ever had.
Edited.
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As I pointed out elsewhere, you're a lying sack of shit. You
can't admit to anything that conflicts with your fantasy that
you aren't an ignorant mental case without a single iota of
integrity. |
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| JTEM... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:55 pm |
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Tiglath <te... at (no spam) tiglath.net> wrote:
[quote]JTEM <jte... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
It wasn't my claim, shit for brains. I said that Larry Swain
aka "Weland" forged a quote,
That is a CLAIM, fuckwad.
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Hey, mental case, you just switched topics. Before your
mental illness caused you to say that I claimed you...Larry
forged cites (Larry doesn't do cites).
Anyhow, shit for brains, you're just as wrong now as you
were then. Because, it's not a claim. It is an established
fact, you worthless multiple personality disorder. |
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| JTEM... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 4:33 pm |
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Weland <gi... at (no spam) poetic.com> wrote:
[quote]JTEM wrote:
Here, I picked my nose and ate it. Yum.
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Enjoy, I guess.
[quote]Except that I'm talking about not what historical
context we place the stele into, but what the stele
actually *says*.
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So your claim can't stand if it's placed within it's proper
context... check.
[quote] I know that that is confusing to you, but do try.
[/quote]
It's not confusing at all. It's stupid, but not confusing.
Context is EVERYTHING, and you're ignoring the
context.
[quote]Say, psycho breath:
Well, psyche means breath,
[/quote]
Not exactly close... not even within 10 zipcodes, but if you'd
like you can always make a fool out of yourself while you
prove my point about "Context" by arguing for some overly
simplistic direct mapping from ancient Greek... or
something like that.
I guess there's no point in explaining further, you being an
idiot.
[quote]Why don't you detail for us where
these "Israelites" came from before they encroached on
Egyptian territory as you claim? And where did the
survivors go?
That would be going beyond the available evidence.
[/quote]
Restated: There is no evidence for these "Israelites" existing
ANYWHERE before or after the date of the Merneptah stele.
By all means, post such evidence if you want to claim otherwise.
You know, the evidence which you just admitted doesn't exist.
HINT: There is no evidence because there was never any Israel,
and even the Jews didn't exist yet.
[quote]We can make guesses,
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We don't have to guess. It's not like there's a shortage of
archaeology, there's plenty of it. The ground is littered with
it. The problem isn't a lack of "Evidence," it's that none of
this evidence supports the existence of any "Israel."
[quote]Going by your insane rantings, we have this "Israel"
blinking into existence around 1200 BC,
Maybe, maybe not....
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We definitely don't have it. It didn't exist. It didn't exist a
hundred years prior -- not on the Levant, not in Egypt, not
anywhere -- and it didn't exist 100 years later. It just plain
never existed.
[quote]what we do know is that the stele is the earliest
dateable surviving mention of them.
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This would be the stele which you could not articulate even
a single legitimate reason for claiming that it mentions
"Israel."
[quote]and then
blinking out of existence again...
Nope. But then we know that after 1200 BCE Egyptian
influence in the region waned, so as Egypt withdrew,
there can be no encroachment.
[/quote]
Maybe idiots won't notice that you're talking about Egypt and not
any Israel, but you're never going to get away with that kind of
bullshit with me.
There is no "Israel" in the archaeological record. Period. And
as for Egypt leaving the Levant: They were clearly there at
the time when the mythical Solomon was supposed to be
leading "Israel."
[quote]Likewise, other groups underwent a significant decrease
of influence in the same period.
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There was the 12th century destruction, probably precipitated
by a major climate altering event... like a super volcano or
asteroid impact (almost certainly a volcanic eruption).
Such events are not conducive to nation building, as you
require. Just the opposite. They promote chaos.
[quote]never to be seen or
heard for another, say, 300 years or so.
Were you familiar with world history, this isn't all that unusual.
[/quote]
I am familiar, and it is unusual... especially so given the
circumstances. Again, it's not that there's any lack of evidence.
There's been plenty pulled out of the ground. Your problem is
that absolutely none of this evidence supports the fantasy of
a nation of Israel existing.
Again, it's not like there's any huge gaps waiting to be filled.
There's no shortage of evidence here. There's plenty of evidence
found, plenty of culture, but none of it is from any "Israel." |
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| Tiglath... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:33 pm |
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On Oct 26, 9:44 pm, JTEM <jte... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Tiglath <te... at (no spam) tiglath.net> wrote:
I am reading
No, seriously, what is it you think you're doing, you
worthless Obumhole worshipper?
And does Bush II reward you in this world or the
next?
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You really should have called me, I would not have picked up, but you
could have left a message, which I would have promptly erase, Bush
lover. |
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| Tiglath... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:34 pm |
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On Oct 26, 11:56 am, JTEM <jte... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Tiglath <te... at (no spam) tiglath.net> wrote:
How dumb can you get?
Don't worry, nobody can hold a candle to you.
A forged quote qualifies as a forged
reference.
See what I mean? You're a complete idiot...
I've seen stupid people in Usenet over the years,
Oh, you're being modest! I'm sure there's LOTS of things
that you "see" in your state... everything from giant spiders
to pink elephants.
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Still all claim, no proof.
I guess honor does not run in your family. |
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| Tiglath... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:36 pm |
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On Oct 26, 9:46 pm, JTEM <jte... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Tiglath <te... at (no spam) tiglath.net> wrote:
Don't be
Thanks. I'll read that just as soon as I care what a
mental case hiding behind a sock puppet has to
say.
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I have bow ties smarter than you, JTEM. |
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| Tiglath... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:42 pm |
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On Oct 26, 9:55 pm, JTEM <jte... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote] Tiglath <te... at (no spam) tiglath.net> wrote:
JTEM <jte... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
It wasn't my claim, shit for brains. I said that Larry Swain
aka "Weland" forged a quote,
That is a CLAIM, fuckwad.
Hey, mental case, you just switched topics. Before your
mental illness caused you to say that I claimed you...Larry
forged cites (Larry doesn't do cites).
Anyhow, shit for brains, you're just as wrong now as you
were then. Because, it's not a claim. It is an established
fact,
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That is also a claim.
JTEM oozes canine loyalty to the National Socialism mentality firmly
entrenched in the bunker of ignorance. |
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| Tiglath... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 5:43 pm |
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On Oct 26, 12:22 pm, JTEM <jte... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote]Weland <gi... at (no spam) poetic.com> wrote:
AH yes,
You'd need to pay a prostitute
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to get the kind of love I get at home.
JTEM. |
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| JTEM... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 6:04 pm |
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Weland <gi... at (no spam) poetic.com> wrote:
[---snip fallacious argument, again---]
You really are an idiot, it's not just an act. Remember
that you're supposed to be coming up with legitimate
reasons for interpreting "Israel" on the stele, and
thus far everything you've stated it either fallacious or
entirely irrelevant.
Again, you would get thrown of of any decent high school
debating team for trying to pull such nonsense.
[quote]It can be read as "ysra3r" because that is what it says.
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As I pointed out, there are 7 signs making up the word on
the stele, plus the literal mark and the determinatives, and
NOT the six you identify.
[quote] If we look at the phonology represented by the hieroglyphs
and compare it to other languages in the region when a very
similar word appears,
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You don't claim to find a similar word, and it's a lame
rationalization.
We would be shocked if we couldn't find a similarly spelled
or pronounced word in another language, given all the
languages and the centuries we're dealing with. Even so, you
don't claim to find such a word... even as you claim to find one.
Your so-called "Evidence" is a small number highly problematic
inscriptions which, oddly enough, only ever speak of your
"Israel" or your "Israeli kings" in the past tense.
And it is odd, as the claim amounts to a prosperous kingdom
existing for some years without creating any records of it's
own, AND this impossible claim is now "Proof" that the Merneptah
stele should be read as "Israel."
It's monumental in it's stupidity, but it is what you're claiming.
[quote]So as proof, we have the name itself,
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That's utterly circular. Again, you're claim is that these are
your legitimate reasons for interpreting the word as "Israel,"
yet you're claiming that the name (i.e. your interpretation of
the name) is proof that it is.
Damn, you are seriously fucked in the head...
...and yet the name isn't there.
[quote]comparative phonology,
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There's nothing to compare it to! What's more, nobody
claims that there will be anything to compare it to for
hundreds of years, and in a different language no less!
Sorry, fool, but the fact that it takes you another 300
years before you come across anything else you can
shoehorn your "Israel" on is pretty strong proof that it
wasn't there!
[quote]comparing the document to documents of other kingdoms,
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This is senseless.What other kingdoms? What other documents?
You're either repeating the exact same fallacious argument
you just made, or you're spinning out of control here.
[quote]authorities,
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"Authorities" are able to articulate intelligent, plausible
and (most of all) legitimate reasons for making their
determinations. If they don't, then it's a form of fallacious
argument known as "Argument from authority."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority
Damn. You're simply incapable of forming a reasonable
argument...
[quote]and then there's the text of the bible itself
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So you're saying that your interpretation of the Merneptah
stele is ultimately predicated on the bible.
Duh.
[quote]when it is treated as any other historical document,
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Religious texts, as a rule, aren't treated as historical
documents, because they are not historical documents.
There's no reason to make an exception for the bible, as
you insist (while denying).
Again, shit for brains, you were challenged to produce
legitimate reasons for interpreting the Merneptah stele
as mentioning "Israel," and instead you produced a
case study in fallacious arguments. |
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| Weland... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:51 pm |
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JTEM wrote:
[quote]Weland <gi... at (no spam) poetic.com> wrote:
JTEM wrote:
I never said that he forged references, shit for brains, I
said that he forged quotes. And he has in nearly every
exchange we've ever been in, and at at every one since
his "Camels" nonsense.
Poor
You're not contradicting anything I said. Don't worry though,
you'll still be convinced that you utterly refuted me. Nothing
can change that much....
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That you have been refuted....too true, nothing will change that. |
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| Weland... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 10:41 pm |
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JTEM wrote:
[quote]Weland <gi... at (no spam) poetic.com> wrote:
JTEM wrote:
If you had even a single legitimate reason for clinging
to your "Israel" fantasy you would have posted it.
You want to "Win" arguments. Your feeble ego can't
even bare to admit mistakes, so you would never pass
on an opportunity to show that you're right. The reason
why you did not post any legitimate reasons is because
you don't have any legitimate reasons. Nobody does.
More projection.
it's pretty accurate.
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Oh, indeed....it's a very accurate projection of your modus operandi
onto another. Its a procedure you adopt when you've been shown to have
failed to comprehend the basics of the topic you're busy pontificating
about.
[quote]You ended the Dura Europa thread
with your forgeries, not admitting your error.
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Actually, we're still waiting for you to provide evidence that the wall
paintings could possibly depict some other story besides those in the
gospel. Gee, somehow that has never been forthcoming.....
The same
[quote]was true in the Camels thread. You simply petered out on
your claims regarding the pronunciation of ancient Egyptian
without admitting error, despite your it's not phonetic/it is
phonetic insanity.
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You're getting lost in your verbiage again. Not unusual mind....
And here, now, you can't admit that there
[quote]is no legitimate reason for interpreting the Merneptah stele
as mentioning "Israel."
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Because like the other discussions, you're claims are groundless; why
you expect anyone to agree to your groundless claims is beyond me.
[quote]Heck, not a one of you has even admitted that it really is
merely interpreted as "Israel,' it doesn't literally say
"Israel"... you've all just kind of stopped arguing your
craziness on that one point.
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Another point you've failed to demonstrate, but you can't because, well
once again, you don't know the languages, script, or linguistics.
[quote]
Nope, you've never been man enough to admit error, and
you never will be.
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And so we see again, more projection. |
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