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| John Larkin... |
 Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 5:09 pm |
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On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:34:55 +0000, ChrisQ <meru at (no spam) devnull.com> wrote:
[quote]John Larkin wrote:
Why?
John
9/11 was probably the worst terrorist act that the us, or for that
matter any other country has experienced, but I think it was done to
provoke the lion. The lion was provoked and we got a kneejerk reaction
when a more reasoned response may have saved 100's of thousands of lives
worldwide. Bush didn't have the balls and / or the experience to hold
the line against the shrill cry for war. Instead, we got the politics of
fear and appeal to man's most base instincts to justify invading a
country that was nothing to do with it and was no real threat to anyone,
as all the inspectors found when they got there. This is no religious
stuff either, but about the values that all people of all nations hold
in common.
I don't really want to get into all this, as it's not the forum, but
could have wept for the us after 9/11 and the years that followed. The
physical damage can be mended, but the damage to individual families and
the psyche of the nation could take decades to repair, if ever...
Regards,
Chris
[/quote]
Going after Al Queda in Afghanistan, and squashing the government that
sheltered them, was necessary.
I personally believe that GB perceived that the only longterm fix to
the clash of cultures was to plant a working democracy in the heart of
the Muslim world, and that Iraq was the ideal place to do it. Nothing
"base" about that.
Seems to be working so far. And based on Sadaam's time-averaged
slaughter rate, it has saved lives thus far.
John |
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| krw... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:43 pm |
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On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 14:09:19 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin at (no spam) highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
[quote]On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:34:55 +0000, ChrisQ <meru at (no spam) devnull.com> wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
Why?
John
9/11 was probably the worst terrorist act that the us, or for that
matter any other country has experienced, but I think it was done to
provoke the lion. The lion was provoked and we got a kneejerk reaction
when a more reasoned response may have saved 100's of thousands of lives
worldwide. Bush didn't have the balls and / or the experience to hold
the line against the shrill cry for war. Instead, we got the politics of
fear and appeal to man's most base instincts to justify invading a
country that was nothing to do with it and was no real threat to anyone,
as all the inspectors found when they got there. This is no religious
stuff either, but about the values that all people of all nations hold
in common.
I don't really want to get into all this, as it's not the forum, but
could have wept for the us after 9/11 and the years that followed. The
physical damage can be mended, but the damage to individual families and
the psyche of the nation could take decades to repair, if ever...
Regards,
Chris
Going after Al Queda in Afghanistan, and squashing the government that
sheltered them, was necessary.
[/quote]
Absolutely.
[quote]I personally believe that GB perceived that the only longterm fix to
the clash of cultures was to plant a working democracy in the heart of
the Muslim world, and that Iraq was the ideal place to do it. Nothing
"base" about that.
[/quote]
Yep. We'll see if Obama can screw it up. All of the Demonicrats have
tried, no reason to believe he'll do any differently.
[quote]Seems to be working so far. And based on Sadaam's time-averaged
slaughter rate, it has saved lives thus far.
[/quote]
When one goes to war, minimization of loss on the other side is a nice
thing to do, but hardly the point. The Iraqis are on the road to a
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| krw... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 6:47 pm |
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On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:58:56 +0000, ChrisQ <meru at (no spam) devnull.com> wrote:
[quote]krw wrote:
Just what I like, a regressive tax. ;-)
The way it works is that the tax is made on the final product. If you
buy in parts, services or just about anything used in the course of
business, you are allowed to reclaim the vat before it is finally sold.
The final tax is charged on the finished product sold to the consumer. I
guess it could be considered regressive, but most taxes are where non
essentials are concerned. Not that i'm defending it, just explaining how
it works.
[/quote]
We all know how it works. I said I liked progressive taxes. Those
that use government services pay for them, which is only right.
[quote]
No way. How do you expect the Demonicrats to control society without
the power to tax indiscriminately?
I can't really comment on that, but many people in europe, including
myself, were gratefull for any change that got rid of Bush and co,
irrespective of which party he hailed from.
[/quote]
More Europeon "logic". Say Hi to slowman, when you kiss.
[quote]In the end, it's not the *party*, but what's best for the *country* at
any given time. It's always a compromise between what you as an
individual think and the rest. It's an insult to the intelligence to
suggest that any one party always has all the right answers.
[/quote]
The *party* stands for something. That's why the *party* is
important.
[quote]In the uk, the labour party have been in power since for ever. They will
almost certainly be kicked out in the elections next year, because they
are seen as being a spent force, are becoming too arrogant,
authoritarian, lacking clue and are completely out of touch with the
mood of the nation.
[/quote]
The Demonicrats have only been in power 11 months and are already too
arrogant, authoritarian, lacking clue and are completely out of touch
with the mood of the nation.
[quote]Labour are supposed to be the left wing party and much was expected of
them to solve some serious social issues, but they failed completely and
got us involved in an unwinnable (we can debate that) war, who's ethical
justification has never been demonstrated. Add to that all the stasi
like stuff they are trying to introduce and it's a classic case of
reversion to type. Closet authoritarian and anti libertarian to a man  ...
[/quote]
You think lefties are going to solve *any* problems? The dew's still
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| Joerg... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 9:31 pm |
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Jim Thompson wrote:
[quote]On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:37:02 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP at (no spam) interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:48:05 -0800,
"JosephKK"<quiettechblue at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:10:20 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless at (no spam) electrooptical.net> wrote:
How much energy is it safe to dump into an HC-series MUX when
discharging a cap? It would be convenient to be able to discharge 10 nF
from 5V to 0 using a 74VHC4053. I think that is probably safe, but it
will certainly exceed the abs max current during the discharge event.
Relevant experience, anybody?
Thanks
Phil Hobbs
I can't claim to really know, but i get this twitchy feeling that it
would produce very small incremental damage that would lead to
lifetime type problems.
If it's a rare occurence, probably okay, but metal migration induced
failures due to exceeding the maximum current density on a
metallization layer is an obvious possibility. Personally, I'd put a
$0.001 resistor in there if it's happening at relatively high
frequency and relatively high duty cycle and perhaps at elevated
temperatures. I don't think the abs max ratings are a joke.
Indeed! I'd, just on the face of the absolute maximum ratings, add
250 Ohms in series..
I'm not sure that people are aware, but the 4051, 4052, 4053 are all
the same basic chip, only the wiring (metalization) changes between
the types.
See...
http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/My4053Top.pdf
[/quote]
So, does it now say "Thompson Tuning" on the ON Semi masks or at least a
smiley somewhere?
BTW do you take on HV chip designs, stuff at 50V and above? Of course,
getting it into a foundry would be a whole 'nother game.
--
Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com/
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| Jim Thompson... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:38 pm |
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On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:31:00 -0800, Joerg <invalid at (no spam) invalid.invalid>
wrote:
[quote]Jim Thompson wrote:
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:37:02 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP at (no spam) interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:48:05 -0800,
"JosephKK"<quiettechblue at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:10:20 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless at (no spam) electrooptical.net> wrote:
How much energy is it safe to dump into an HC-series MUX when
discharging a cap? It would be convenient to be able to discharge 10 nF
from 5V to 0 using a 74VHC4053. I think that is probably safe, but it
will certainly exceed the abs max current during the discharge event.
Relevant experience, anybody?
Thanks
Phil Hobbs
I can't claim to really know, but i get this twitchy feeling that it
would produce very small incremental damage that would lead to
lifetime type problems.
If it's a rare occurence, probably okay, but metal migration induced
failures due to exceeding the maximum current density on a
metallization layer is an obvious possibility. Personally, I'd put a
$0.001 resistor in there if it's happening at relatively high
frequency and relatively high duty cycle and perhaps at elevated
temperatures. I don't think the abs max ratings are a joke.
Indeed! I'd, just on the face of the absolute maximum ratings, add
250 Ohms in series..
I'm not sure that people are aware, but the 4051, 4052, 4053 are all
the same basic chip, only the wiring (metalization) changes between
the types.
See...
http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/My4053Top.pdf
So, does it now say "Thompson Tuning" on the ON Semi masks or at least a
smiley somewhere?
BTW do you take on HV chip designs, stuff at 50V and above? Of course,
getting it into a foundry would be a whole 'nother game.
[/quote]
If you have a true need, X-Fab have several HV processes.
...Jim Thompson
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| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
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| Joerg... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:44 am |
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Jim Thompson wrote:
[quote]On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:31:00 -0800, Joerg <invalid at (no spam) invalid.invalid
wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:37:02 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP at (no spam) interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:48:05 -0800,
"JosephKK"<quiettechblue at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:10:20 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless at (no spam) electrooptical.net> wrote:
How much energy is it safe to dump into an HC-series MUX when
discharging a cap? It would be convenient to be able to discharge 10 nF
from 5V to 0 using a 74VHC4053. I think that is probably safe, but it
will certainly exceed the abs max current during the discharge event.
Relevant experience, anybody?
Thanks
Phil Hobbs
I can't claim to really know, but i get this twitchy feeling that it
would produce very small incremental damage that would lead to
lifetime type problems.
If it's a rare occurence, probably okay, but metal migration induced
failures due to exceeding the maximum current density on a
metallization layer is an obvious possibility. Personally, I'd put a
$0.001 resistor in there if it's happening at relatively high
frequency and relatively high duty cycle and perhaps at elevated
temperatures. I don't think the abs max ratings are a joke.
Indeed! I'd, just on the face of the absolute maximum ratings, add
250 Ohms in series..
I'm not sure that people are aware, but the 4051, 4052, 4053 are all
the same basic chip, only the wiring (metalization) changes between
the types.
See...
http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/My4053Top.pdf
So, does it now say "Thompson Tuning" on the ON Semi masks or at least a
smiley somewhere?
BTW do you take on HV chip designs, stuff at 50V and above? Of course,
getting it into a foundry would be a whole 'nother game.
If you have a true need, X-Fab have several HV processes.
[/quote]
Yes, thanks, some are mentioned on their site but without voltage data.
I've read up to 650V somewhere. I didn't know they still had them. AMS
offers a 120V 0.35um process as well. I like the link "Tip-a-friend" on
the X-Fab web site. So far I've only tipped restaurant personnel, the
barber, mail carrier and so on ... :-)
The true need might arise early next year, I will know more about that
in a couple of weeks.
--
Regards, Joerg
http://www.analogconsultants.com/
"gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam.
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| Jim Thompson... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:01 pm |
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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:44:51 -0800, Joerg <invalid at (no spam) invalid.invalid>
wrote:
[quote]Jim Thompson wrote:
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 18:31:00 -0800, Joerg <invalid at (no spam) invalid.invalid
wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:37:02 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
speffSNIP at (no spam) interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:48:05 -0800,
"JosephKK"<quiettechblue at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:10:20 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless at (no spam) electrooptical.net> wrote:
How much energy is it safe to dump into an HC-series MUX when
discharging a cap? It would be convenient to be able to discharge 10 nF
from 5V to 0 using a 74VHC4053. I think that is probably safe, but it
will certainly exceed the abs max current during the discharge event.
Relevant experience, anybody?
Thanks
Phil Hobbs
I can't claim to really know, but i get this twitchy feeling that it
would produce very small incremental damage that would lead to
lifetime type problems.
If it's a rare occurence, probably okay, but metal migration induced
failures due to exceeding the maximum current density on a
metallization layer is an obvious possibility. Personally, I'd put a
$0.001 resistor in there if it's happening at relatively high
frequency and relatively high duty cycle and perhaps at elevated
temperatures. I don't think the abs max ratings are a joke.
Indeed! I'd, just on the face of the absolute maximum ratings, add
250 Ohms in series..
I'm not sure that people are aware, but the 4051, 4052, 4053 are all
the same basic chip, only the wiring (metalization) changes between
the types.
See...
http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/My4053Top.pdf
So, does it now say "Thompson Tuning" on the ON Semi masks or at least a
smiley somewhere?
[/quote]
No  I haven't been involved in layout (except for matching
guidance and LVS support) for probably 20 years now.
I have several sub-contractors who handle my layout needs if the
customer doesn't already have such a design team.
[quote]
BTW do you take on HV chip designs, stuff at 50V and above? Of course,
getting it into a foundry would be a whole 'nother game.
If you have a true need, X-Fab have several HV processes.
Yes, thanks, some are mentioned on their site but without voltage data.
I've read up to 650V somewhere. I didn't know they still had them. AMS
offers a 120V 0.35um process as well. I like the link "Tip-a-friend" on
the X-Fab web site. So far I've only tipped restaurant personnel, the
barber, mail carrier and so on ... :-)
The true need might arise early next year, I will know more about that
in a couple of weeks.
[/quote]
"AMS", while now a separate entity (East Germany), is essentially the
research arm of X-Fab.
X-Fab has foundries around the world, with one in Lubbock, TX.
I've E-mailed you USA contact information.
...Jim Thompson
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| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
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| Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
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| Michael A. Terrell... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:50 pm |
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Joerg wrote:
[quote]
Yes, thanks, some are mentioned on their site but without voltage data.
I've read up to 650V somewhere. I didn't know they still had them. AMS
offers a 120V 0.35um process as well. I like the link "Tip-a-friend" on
the X-Fab web site. So far I've only tipped restaurant personnel, the
barber, mail carrier and so on ...
[/quote]
And a few cows?
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| Joerg... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:38 pm |
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Michael A. Terrell wrote:
[quote]Joerg wrote:
Yes, thanks, some are mentioned on their site but without voltage data.
I've read up to 650V somewhere. I didn't know they still had them. AMS
offers a 120V 0.35um process as well. I like the link "Tip-a-friend" on
the X-Fab web site. So far I've only tipped restaurant personnel, the
barber, mail carrier and so on ... :-)
And a few cows?
[/quote]
No, I would never do that. Would be wrong, those animals provide so much
to us.
--
Regards, Joerg
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| Michael A. Terrell... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:51 pm |
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Joerg wrote:
[quote]
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Joerg wrote:
Yes, thanks, some are mentioned on their site but without voltage data.
I've read up to 650V somewhere. I didn't know they still had them. AMS
offers a 120V 0.35um process as well. I like the link "Tip-a-friend" on
the X-Fab web site. So far I've only tipped restaurant personnel, the
barber, mail carrier and so on ... :-)
And a few cows?
No, I would never do that. Would be wrong, those animals provide so much
to us.
[/quote]
How about outhouse tipping? ;-)
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| krw... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:53 pm |
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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:51:06 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
[quote]
Joerg wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Joerg wrote:
Yes, thanks, some are mentioned on their site but without voltage data.
I've read up to 650V somewhere. I didn't know they still had them. AMS
offers a 120V 0.35um process as well. I like the link "Tip-a-friend" on
the X-Fab web site. So far I've only tipped restaurant personnel, the
barber, mail carrier and so on ... :-)
And a few cows?
No, I would never do that. Would be wrong, those animals provide so much
to us.
How about outhouse tipping?
[/quote]
Restaraunts, sure, but only only Slowman tips at outhouses. |
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| Jim Thompson... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:05 pm |
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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:51:06 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
[quote]
Joerg wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Joerg wrote:
Yes, thanks, some are mentioned on their site but without voltage data.
I've read up to 650V somewhere. I didn't know they still had them. AMS
offers a 120V 0.35um process as well. I like the link "Tip-a-friend" on
the X-Fab web site. So far I've only tipped restaurant personnel, the
barber, mail carrier and so on ... :-)
And a few cows?
No, I would never do that. Would be wrong, those animals provide so much
to us.
How about outhouse tipping?
[/quote]
My father told of pranks where they'd move the outhouse back from the
pit on a dark night
...Jim Thompson
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| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | |
| Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
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| Joerg... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:13 pm |
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krw wrote:
[quote]On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:51:06 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
Joerg wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Joerg wrote:
Yes, thanks, some are mentioned on their site but without voltage data.
I've read up to 650V somewhere. I didn't know they still had them. AMS
offers a 120V 0.35um process as well. I like the link "Tip-a-friend" on
the X-Fab web site. So far I've only tipped restaurant personnel, the
barber, mail carrier and so on ... :-)
And a few cows?
No, I would never do that. Would be wrong, those animals provide so much
to us.
How about outhouse tipping? ;-)
Restaraunts, sure, but only only Slowman tips at outhouses.
^^^^^^^^^^^[/quote]
Hey, your new southern drawl begins to show :-)
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SCNR, Joerg
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| krw... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:48 pm |
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On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:13:02 -0800, Joerg <invalid at (no spam) invalid.invalid>
wrote:
[quote]krw wrote:
On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:51:06 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
Joerg wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Joerg wrote:
Yes, thanks, some are mentioned on their site but without voltage data.
I've read up to 650V somewhere. I didn't know they still had them. AMS
offers a 120V 0.35um process as well. I like the link "Tip-a-friend" on
the X-Fab web site. So far I've only tipped restaurant personnel, the
barber, mail carrier and so on ... :-)
And a few cows?
No, I would never do that. Would be wrong, those animals provide so much
to us.
How about outhouse tipping? ;-)
Restaraunts, sure, but only only Slowman tips at outhouses.
^^^^^^^^^^^
Hey, your new southern drawl begins to show
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had so many ways to say what I wanted. At least the message was
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| Michael A. Terrell... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:20 pm |
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Jim Thompson wrote:
[quote]
On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 15:51:06 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
Joerg wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Joerg wrote:
Yes, thanks, some are mentioned on their site but without voltage data.
I've read up to 650V somewhere. I didn't know they still had them. AMS
offers a 120V 0.35um process as well. I like the link "Tip-a-friend" on
the X-Fab web site. So far I've only tipped restaurant personnel, the
barber, mail carrier and so on ... :-)
And a few cows?
No, I would never do that. Would be wrong, those animals provide so much
to us.
How about outhouse tipping? ;-)
My father told of pranks where they'd move the outhouse back from the
pit on a dark night
[/quote]
My dad told me when he was a kid that an old man spent the night in
his outhouse on Halloween to keep kids from tipping it. He was still
inside as it rolled down the hill by some older kids. it would have
just tipped over, if he wasn't standing on the seat when they tipped it.
The lids would go around the next day and help set them back on their
foundation, but he had to build a new outhouse, on top of all his
bruises. :(
City folks don't know that the outhouse had to be moved from time to
time, since they couldn't be pumped out, like Sloman.
I always wondered why they weren't built on runners so they could be
towed to the new hole by their plow mules or horses?
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