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John Larkin...

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:05 pm

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On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:26:49 -0800,
"JosephKK"<quiettechblue at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

[quote]On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:34:00 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin at (no spam) highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:39:02 -0800, Joerg <invalid at (no spam) invalid.invalid
wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:08:32 -0700, Joerg <invalid at (no spam) invalid.invalid
wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:48:21 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:

[...]

Jobs? The current health care bill penalizes employers who don't
provide government-approved health care. So, when you make it a
greater and greater pain to employ people, the easy, obvious, and only
solution is to outsource, to export jobs, to hire fewer workers. So
of course there'll be fewer jobs. I, personally, will create fewer
jobs. I guarantee it.
I'll probably hold the line at about 20 employees and do more
outsourcing and contracting. ...

When they go through with the net receipts tax thing in CA where
salaries are supposedly non-deductible the others will do exactly the
same.

There are idiots claiming that a 5% net receipts tax is no more
burdensome than a 10% tax on profits. 5 is smaller than 10, don't you
see?

Sad :-(

Just imagine what that would do to the restaurant business alone. As it
is right now I am not sure that our Japanese and Thai places around here
will make it. That source tax would potentially push a lot of those over
the cliff.

For a restaurant, it's just sales tax; they charge about 8% around
here already. All restaurants pay it, and people don't order meals
from Oregon, so it's not a competitive issue as much as it just makes
people dine out a little less.

A few percent is the difference between making it and failing in the
restaurant biz.

I suppose some people on the Nevada border cross the line to eat, or
order pizza from over the line.

That is trivial and you know it.

But for companies that sell stuff, and have out-of-state competition,
a gross receipts tax could really hurt. It's a job killer. We pay
about 10% tax on a profit of 5%. A 5% gross receipts tax would be a
10x increase.

So you do kinda sorta get it.

I do like the idea of taxing services as well as stuff, since more and
more of our economy is services, and the competition for services is
mostly local. Just adding the existing sales tax to services would
help the state deficit problem a lot.

You are really far left whinge aren't you? Or is it only
jealousy/envy?

John

[/quote]
It makes sense to shift taxes to services that can't easily be
outsourced to other countries, and reduce taxation on manufactured
goods that can. That helps retain jobs. Do you disagree?

And why not have sales taxes on lawyers and auto repair and hair
cutting?

John

krw...

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 6:54 pm

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On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:48:55 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin at (no spam) highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

[quote]On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:40:32 -0600, krw <krw at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:10:25 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin at (no spam) highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:02:38 -0800, Joerg <invalid at (no spam) invalid.invalid
wrote:

John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:22:31 +0000, ChrisQ <meru at (no spam) devnull.com> wrote:

Jim Thompson wrote:

Shooting politicians and bureaucrats would be more effective Wink

My sentiment as well, but someone has to run run the country and try to
balance the budgets. It would help the west if we all stopped exporting
jobs to China, but you can blame global multinationals for that, who
have no interest other than shareholder value.

No business is run as a charity. All businesses do what they have to
do to compete and survive. And shareholders hire boards and executives
exactly to maximize the value of their stocks; wouldn't you? So, given
all that, tax policy should be structured to do the most good, which
includes creating jobs so that people have earnings so that they can
pay taxes.

Also, with all the common dissing of shareholder value one must not
forget one thing: Who started the company and who sunk money into it?
Right, shareholders. They take risks and, rightfully, they want to be
rewarded for taking those risks. At least in America.

That's true for IPOs. But after that, the stocks usually become poker
chips in a big gambling operation that's disconnected from the
company's real performance. Nobody much buys stocks for dividends any
more.

THe do expect the company to grow. Profits turned back into growth or
turned back to the shareholder, either way the shareholder's worth
increases.

Most stockholders don't get value from the company's profits. They get
it from selling their stock to others.
[/quote]
Right, because the company, thus its stock, has value.

[quote]The value of the stock is largely perceptive,
[/quote]
The value of everything is perceptive.

[quote]sometimes driven only by the positive feedback of
its own increase or decrease in the market.
[/quote]
Kinda like everything else.

[quote]When you buy a share of
stock on the market, the company gets no investment from that
purchase, except for IPOs and new issues.
[/quote]
No, you're transferring your stake in the company to someone else.
When I sell a used car Government Motors gets no money from the resale
either.

[quote]The dot.com boom had lots of
cases of stocks increasing wildly in value as the underlying companies
had massive losses on absurd business models.
[/quote]
Certainly, though irrelevant.

[quote]The stock market is mostly a gambling pool, with a house cut.
[/quote]
Any investment is a gambling pool, with a house cut. Just bury your
money in your mattress. Don't worry. Be happy.

John Larkin...

Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 7:20 pm

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On Wed, 4 Nov 2009 16:10:09 -0800 (PST), dagmargoodboat at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:

[quote]John Larkin wrote:
dagmargoodb... at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:

Pelosi's recent health care bill estimates, using /her/ outlandish
assumptions, were grossly understated. Calculator abuse. I wrote
that, and now AP and others concur. Were Pelosi a CEO she'd be in
jail. Instead, she's Speaker.

Suppose John Larkin decided to report only 2/3rds of his company's
income--what would the IRS think of that?

My CPA wouldn't sign off on the tax returns, for starters. The most we
dare get away with is expensing pizza for design reviews.

The government doesn't publish financials--it just does whatever it
wants to. It doesn't have a CPA, and it doesn't have to obey the
law. Handy, eh?

Hey, since Mr. Obama's touting the benefits of "competition" in
healthcare, how 'bout a competitor for the IRS? You know, to provide
services cheaper, better, and faster?

Oopps, I just burped and accidentally created or saved 3 jobs. How do
I collect my $750K?
[/quote]
Your attempt at parody can't begin to approach the insanity of
Obamareality:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jMNoef6xDenBbHWO0Im6rIjDmAgAD9BOSE601

"At Southwest Georgia Community Action Council, director Myrtis
Mulkey-Ndawula said she followed the guidelines the Obama
administration provided. She said she multiplied the 508 employees by
1.84 — the percentage pay raise they received — and came up with 935
jobs saved."

John

ChrisQ...

Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:32 am

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John Larkin wrote:

[quote]
It makes sense to shift taxes to services that can't easily be
outsourced to other countries, and reduce taxation on manufactured
goods that can. That helps retain jobs. Do you disagree?

And why not have sales taxes on lawyers and auto repair and hair
cutting?

John

[/quote]
We do in the uk and the rest of europe. It's call vat, or value added
tax and is payable on just about everything at a fixed rate of 17.5%.
Service industries and lawyers included Smile

. No one likes it, but it
seems to work. The more you consume, the more tax you pay. Some things
are exempt, but not many.

My guess is that it's only a matter of time before the us does something
similar...

regards,

Chris

Richard the Dreaded Libertarian...

Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:52 pm

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On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:34:00 -0800, John Larkin wrote:
[quote]
I do like the idea of taxing services as well as stuff, since more and
more of our economy is services, and the competition for services is
mostly local. Just adding the existing sales tax to services would help
the state deficit problem a lot.
[/quote]
No, that's another tax on income, which is wrong. With a purchase tax, the
doctors and lawyers and other bureaucrats will pay their tax when they
buy toys and boats and SUVs and stuff.

Thanks,
Rich

krw...

Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:55 pm

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On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:32:25 +0000, ChrisQ <meru at (no spam) devnull.com> wrote:

[quote]John Larkin wrote:

It makes sense to shift taxes to services that can't easily be
outsourced to other countries, and reduce taxation on manufactured
goods that can. That helps retain jobs. Do you disagree?

And why not have sales taxes on lawyers and auto repair and hair
cutting?

John

We do in the uk and the rest of europe. It's call vat, or value added
tax and is payable on just about everything at a fixed rate of 17.5%.
Service industries and lawyers included Smile

. No one likes it, but it
seems to work. The more you consume, the more tax you pay. Some things
are exempt, but not many.
[/quote]
Just what I like, a regressive tax. ;-)

[quote]My guess is that it's only a matter of time before the us does something
similar...
[/quote]
No way. How do you expect the Demonicrats to control society without
the power to tax indiscriminately?

JosephKK...

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:48 am

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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:10:20 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless at (no spam) electrooptical.net> wrote:

[quote]How much energy is it safe to dump into an HC-series MUX when
discharging a cap? It would be convenient to be able to discharge 10 nF
from 5V to 0 using a 74VHC4053. I think that is probably safe, but it
will certainly exceed the abs max current during the discharge event.

Relevant experience, anybody?

Thanks

Phil Hobbs
[/quote]
I can't claim to really know, but i get this twitchy feeling that it
would produce very small incremental damage that would lead to
lifetime type problems.

John Larkin...

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:53 am

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Jim Thompson...

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:14 am

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On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 07:53:34 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin at (no spam) highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

[quote]On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:48:05 -0800,
"JosephKK"<quiettechblue at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:10:20 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless at (no spam) electrooptical.net> wrote:

How much energy is it safe to dump into an HC-series MUX when
discharging a cap? It would be convenient to be able to discharge 10 nF
from 5V to 0 using a 74VHC4053. I think that is probably safe, but it
will certainly exceed the abs max current during the discharge event.

Relevant experience, anybody?

Thanks

Phil Hobbs

I can't claim to really know, but i get this twitchy feeling that it
would produce very small incremental damage that would lead to
lifetime type problems.

You don't know, and it won't.

John
[/quote]
_You_ don't know, and it might. Depending on the energy there can be
gradual electromigration.

However, I earlier opined that IDSS would likely limit the current to
a safe level... but that's not certain, 'VHC' devices are pretty small
(short-channel), fast, and low ON resistance.

Since I did a redesign of that stuff for ON Semi, I have the
device-level models. When I get a free moment (don't hold your breath
Smile

, I'll run an energy dump on the 4053 and see if any SOA limits are
exceeded. I happen to have also written a hot-electron SOA checker
(macro), so I should be able to predict any adverse effects.

Just because you may have _once_ dumped a capacitor with an analog
switch doesn't make you an expert Wink

Spehro Pefhany...

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:37 am

Guest

On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:48:05 -0800,
"JosephKK"<quiettechblue at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

[quote]On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:10:20 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless at (no spam) electrooptical.net> wrote:

How much energy is it safe to dump into an HC-series MUX when
discharging a cap? It would be convenient to be able to discharge 10 nF
from 5V to 0 using a 74VHC4053. I think that is probably safe, but it
will certainly exceed the abs max current during the discharge event.

Relevant experience, anybody?

Thanks

Phil Hobbs

I can't claim to really know, but i get this twitchy feeling that it
would produce very small incremental damage that would lead to
lifetime type problems.
[/quote]
If it's a rare occurence, probably okay, but metal migration induced
failures due to exceeding the maximum current density on a
metallization layer is an obvious possibility. Personally, I'd put a
<$0.001 resistor in there if it's happening at relatively high
frequency and relatively high duty cycle and perhaps at elevated
temperatures. I don't think the abs max ratings are a joke.

ChrisQ...

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:58 am

Guest

krw wrote:

[quote]Just what I like, a regressive tax. Wink

[/quote]
The way it works is that the tax is made on the final product. If you
buy in parts, services or just about anything used in the course of
business, you are allowed to reclaim the vat before it is finally sold.
The final tax is charged on the finished product sold to the consumer. I
guess it could be considered regressive, but most taxes are where non
essentials are concerned. Not that i'm defending it, just explaining how
it works.

[quote]
No way. How do you expect the Demonicrats to control society without
the power to tax indiscriminately?
[/quote]
I can't really comment on that, but many people in europe, including
myself, were gratefull for any change that got rid of Bush and co,
irrespective of which party he hailed from.

In the end, it's not the *party*, but what's best for the *country* at
any given time. It's always a compromise between what you as an
individual think and the rest. It's an insult to the intelligence to
suggest that any one party always has all the right answers.

In the uk, the labour party have been in power since for ever. They will
almost certainly be kicked out in the elections next year, because they
are seen as being a spent force, are becoming too arrogant,
authoritarian, lacking clue and are completely out of touch with the
mood of the nation.

Labour are supposed to be the left wing party and much was expected of
them to solve some serious social issues, but they failed completely and
got us involved in an unwinnable (we can debate that) war, who's ethical
justification has never been demonstrated. Add to that all the stasi
like stuff they are trying to introduce and it's a classic case of
reversion to type. Closet authoritarian and anti libertarian to a man Smile

...

Regards,

Chris

Jim Thompson...

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:53 pm

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On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:37:02 -0500, Spehro Pefhany
<speffSNIP at (no spam) interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:

[quote]On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 22:48:05 -0800,
"JosephKK"<quiettechblue at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:10:20 -0400, Phil Hobbs
pcdhSpamMeSenseless at (no spam) electrooptical.net> wrote:

How much energy is it safe to dump into an HC-series MUX when
discharging a cap? It would be convenient to be able to discharge 10 nF
from 5V to 0 using a 74VHC4053. I think that is probably safe, but it
will certainly exceed the abs max current during the discharge event.

Relevant experience, anybody?

Thanks

Phil Hobbs

I can't claim to really know, but i get this twitchy feeling that it
would produce very small incremental damage that would lead to
lifetime type problems.

If it's a rare occurence, probably okay, but metal migration induced
failures due to exceeding the maximum current density on a
metallization layer is an obvious possibility. Personally, I'd put a
$0.001 resistor in there if it's happening at relatively high
frequency and relatively high duty cycle and perhaps at elevated
temperatures. I don't think the abs max ratings are a joke.
[/quote]
Indeed! I'd, just on the face of the absolute maximum ratings, add
250 Ohms in series..

I'm not sure that people are aware, but the 4051, 4052, 4053 are all
the same basic chip, only the wiring (metalization) changes between
the types.

See...

http://www.analog-innovations.com/SED/My4053Top.pdf

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Obama says, "I AM NOT a cry baby, Fox REALLY IS out to get me!"

John Larkin...

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:36 pm

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On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:58:56 +0000, ChrisQ <meru at (no spam) devnull.com> wrote:

[quote]krw wrote:

Just what I like, a regressive tax. ;-)

The way it works is that the tax is made on the final product. If you
buy in parts, services or just about anything used in the course of
business, you are allowed to reclaim the vat before it is finally sold.
The final tax is charged on the finished product sold to the consumer. I
guess it could be considered regressive, but most taxes are where non
essentials are concerned. Not that i'm defending it, just explaining how
it works.

No way. How do you expect the Demonicrats to control society without
the power to tax indiscriminately?

I can't really comment on that, but many people in europe, including
myself, were gratefull for any change that got rid of Bush and co,
irrespective of which party he hailed from.
[/quote]
Why?

John

Jim Thompson...

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:41 pm

Guest

On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 10:36:41 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin at (no spam) highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

[quote]On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:58:56 +0000, ChrisQ <meru at (no spam) devnull.com> wrote:

krw wrote:

Just what I like, a regressive tax. ;-)

The way it works is that the tax is made on the final product. If you
buy in parts, services or just about anything used in the course of
business, you are allowed to reclaim the vat before it is finally sold.
The final tax is charged on the finished product sold to the consumer. I
guess it could be considered regressive, but most taxes are where non
essentials are concerned. Not that i'm defending it, just explaining how
it works.

No way. How do you expect the Demonicrats to control society without
the power to tax indiscriminately?

I can't really comment on that, but many people in europe, including
myself, were gratefull for any change that got rid of Bush and co,
irrespective of which party he hailed from.

Why?

John

[/quote]
The rest of the world, particularly Europeons, can't cope with feeling
inferior and in need of protection.

They needn't worry anymore, they're soon to be converts to Islam Wink

ChrisQ...

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:34 pm

Guest

John Larkin wrote:

[quote]
Why?

John

[/quote]
9/11 was probably the worst terrorist act that the us, or for that
matter any other country has experienced, but I think it was done to
provoke the lion. The lion was provoked and we got a kneejerk reaction
when a more reasoned response may have saved 100's of thousands of lives
worldwide. Bush didn't have the balls and / or the experience to hold
the line against the shrill cry for war. Instead, we got the politics of
fear and appeal to man's most base instincts to justify invading a
country that was nothing to do with it and was no real threat to anyone,
as all the inspectors found when they got there. This is no religious
stuff either, but about the values that all people of all nations hold
in common.

I don't really want to get into all this, as it's not the forum, but
could have wept for the us after 9/11 and the years that followed. The
physical damage can be mended, but the damage to individual families and
the psyche of the nation could take decades to repair, if ever...

Regards,

Chris

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