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John Larkin wrote:
[quote]On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:22:31 +0000, ChrisQ <meru at (no spam) devnull.com> wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
Shooting politicians and bureaucrats would be more effective 
My sentiment as well, but someone has to run run the country and try to
balance the budgets. It would help the west if we all stopped exporting
jobs to China, but you can blame global multinationals for that, who
have no interest other than shareholder value.
No business is run as a charity. All businesses do what they have to
do to compete and survive. And shareholders hire boards and executives
exactly to maximize the value of their stocks; wouldn't you? So, given
all that, tax policy should be structured to do the most good, which
includes creating jobs so that people have earnings so that they can
pay taxes.
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Also, with all the common dissing of shareholder value one must not
forget one thing: Who started the company and who sunk money into it?
Right, shareholders. They take risks and, rightfully, they want to be
rewarded for taking those risks. At least in America.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:03 pm |
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On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:22:31 +0000, ChrisQ <meru at (no spam) devnull.com> wrote:
[quote]Jim Thompson wrote:
Shooting politicians and bureaucrats would be more effective
My sentiment as well, but someone has to run run the country and try to
balance the budgets. It would help the west if we all stopped exporting
jobs to China, but you can blame global multinationals for that, who
have no interest other than shareholder value. We all want free market
economics, but business is now too powerfull for the good of nations.
Finding the right balance is not a job I would want.
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You don't think government has a hand in shipping jobs to China?
>But heck, what would I know, being in europe ?... |
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On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:03:21 -0800, Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
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[quote]On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:22:31 +0000, ChrisQ wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
Shooting politicians and bureaucrats would be more effective
My sentiment as well, but someone has to run run the country and try to
balance the budgets.
Then elect representatives who are neither polticians nor bureaucrats.
Cut federal spending to zero. Require every household to own at least one
firearm, having at least one trained operator.
Remember, it's not as important to know _how_ to shoot, as it is to know
_whom_ to shoot, _when_ to shoot, and possibly most importantly, _why_ to
shoot.
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We already got the "why" part down pat. The "whom" is pretty clear
too. "When"? |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:07 pm |
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On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:23:21 -0800, Joerg <invalid at (no spam) invalid.invalid>
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[quote]Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Joerg wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Joerg wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:04:57 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:32:08 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
krw wrote:
Most use heat pumps year round here. We haven't had the house open
more than a few days so far this fall. It was quite warm late this
fall and it's been raining since. Last year was beautiful this time
of year. This year, not so much.
I've only had one day cool enough to open all the doors and windows
this fall.
We had a few days this summer warm enough to open the doors and
windows.
John
I'm waiting for winter so I can fix the mess made by the ID10Ts who
installed the central air when my dad was staying here. They set the pad
on a tree stump that has rotted, so it is leaning about 25 degrees away
from the house. It is a package unit, so I have to remove the ductwork,
wiring and drain pipe, then move it to the garage. Then I have to set
forms and pour about 25, 90 pound bags of Quickcrete. I didn't want the
damn thing, but after they cut all the holes in the foundation and
floors, I'm stuck with it. I have never used it, in the ten years I've
lived here. I just air condition the rooms I'm using, then open the
doors to those rooms to cool the rest of the house at night.
Around here we have a company that can pump concrete under such a
thing and bring it up to level. Next door neighbor had a driveway
panel that had settled ~2" along one joint... they pumped it up to
match the adjacent panel.
I can have the same thing done, if I don't eat for the next six
months.
I hadn't thought you were that heavy ...
duck and run
Don't bother. You aren't worth chasing.
Hey, that was a joke :-)
-- The movie 'Deliverance' isn't a documentary!
Never seen that one, or can't remember. Is it a good movie?
You would remember it, every time you hear 'Dueling Banjos' ;-)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068473/
Oh, I think Keith is right, SWMBO would not like that one and I'd have
to watch it alone
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You might get scared.
[quote]
Watch it, and you may never feel safe in the woods, again. :)
Got to carry a rod there, maybe ... ?
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A compound hunting bow might be appropriate. |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:09 pm |
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On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:10:18 -0500, "Michael A. Terrell"
<mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
[quote]
JosephKK wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:04:57 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
On Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:32:08 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
mike.terrell at (no spam) earthlink.net> wrote:
krw wrote:
Most use heat pumps year round here. We haven't had the house open
more than a few days so far this fall. It was quite warm late this
fall and it's been raining since. Last year was beautiful this time
of year. This year, not so much.
I've only had one day cool enough to open all the doors and windows
this fall.
We had a few days this summer warm enough to open the doors and
windows.
John
I'm waiting for winter so I can fix the mess made by the ID10Ts who
installed the central air when my dad was staying here. They set the pad
on a tree stump that has rotted, so it is leaning about 25 degrees away
from the house. It is a package unit, so I have to remove the ductwork,
wiring and drain pipe, then move it to the garage. Then I have to set
forms and pour about 25, 90 pound bags of Quickcrete. I didn't want the
damn thing, but after they cut all the holes in the foundation and
floors, I'm stuck with it. I have never used it, in the ten years I've
lived here. I just air condition the rooms I'm using, then open the
doors to those rooms to cool the rest of the house at night.
You may be interested in some of the new stuff i am seeing for small
commercial buildings. Per room localized heating and cooling. One
outdoor unit and up to 4 indoor (ceiling mounted) indoor units.
Panasonic is one of the brands.
I have a flat roof with no space for ductwork. i have window
airconditioners to cool individual rooms.
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Not sure what JKK is referring to but I've seen some that need no duct
work, since they're mounted in each room. They usually go over a
window or door, through the wall. No structural stuff there to cause
problems.
[quote]I have to remove the package unit whether I put it back, or not. The
plastic pad is now sitting on the pipe running from the house, to the
septic tank.[/quote] |
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| John Larkin... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:39 pm |
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On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 17:57:57 -0800 (PST), dagmargoodboat at (no spam) yahoo.com
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[quote]On Nov 2, 5:22 pm, ChrisQ <m... at (no spam) devnull.com> wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
Shooting politicians and bureaucrats would be more effective ;-)
My sentiment as well, but someone has to run run the country and try to
balance the budgets.
You meant "unbalance," right?
It would help the west if we all stopped exporting
jobs to China, but you can blame global multinationals for that, who
have no interest other than shareholder value. We all want free market
economics, but business is now too powerfull for the good of nations.
Finding the right balance is not a job I would want.
But heck, what would I know, being in europe ?...
Businesses powerful? Businesses are lucky to make 10%. So if you try
to take an extra 10%, they leave (or die). Outsourcing is just
capital fleeing oppression.
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Both the oil companies and the health insurance companies run ballpark
4% profit on revenues. And most people hate them for that 4%.
John |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:42 pm |
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On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:01:53 -0600, krw <krw at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
[quote]On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:34:00 -0800, John Larkin
jjlarkin at (no spam) highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 09:39:02 -0800, Joerg <invalid at (no spam) invalid.invalid
wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:08:32 -0700, Joerg <invalid at (no spam) invalid.invalid
wrote:
John Larkin wrote:
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:48:21 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat at (no spam) yahoo.com
wrote:
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Jobs? The current health care bill penalizes employers who don't
provide government-approved health care. So, when you make it a
greater and greater pain to employ people, the easy, obvious, and only
solution is to outsource, to export jobs, to hire fewer workers. So
of course there'll be fewer jobs. I, personally, will create fewer
jobs. I guarantee it.
I'll probably hold the line at about 20 employees and do more
outsourcing and contracting. ...
When they go through with the net receipts tax thing in CA where
salaries are supposedly non-deductible the others will do exactly the
same.
There are idiots claiming that a 5% net receipts tax is no more
burdensome than a 10% tax on profits. 5 is smaller than 10, don't you
see?
Sad :-(
Just imagine what that would do to the restaurant business alone. As it
is right now I am not sure that our Japanese and Thai places around here
will make it. That source tax would potentially push a lot of those over
the cliff.
For a restaurant, it's just sales tax; they charge about 8% around
here already. All restaurants pay it, and people don't order meals
from Oregon, so it's not a competitive issue as much as it just makes
people dine out a little less.
I'm sure they pay an income tax on top of the sales tax. Technically
the purchaser pays the sales tax so any gross receipts or such would
be on top of that.
I suppose some people on the Nevada border cross the line to eat, or
order pizza from over the line.
You don't pay your sales ("use") tax on items purchased outside CA and
used inside CA? Tsk, tsk...
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Our company sure does. I'm not sure that I account for 100% of my
personal purchases from out of state. I'll have to be more careful in
the future.
John |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:46 pm |
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On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 14:23:57 -0800 (PST), dagmargoodboat at (no spam) yahoo.com
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[quote]krw wrote:
James Arthur wrote:
On Oct 31, 4:12 pm, John Larkin wrote:
Are these people stupid or evil? Probably both.
I haven't really thought about the administration in those terms--I
s'pose I can point to a few of each.
For example, Pelosi is dim, believes in lollipops, that her opponents
are evil, and is willing to crush them, by hook, or crook. Did she
believe the things she told us about the new health care bill she
introduced on Thursday? By her facial expressions and tone, no, she
doesn't.
Pelosi has facial expressions? She likely does think the lollipops
are good, _for_her_. She comes from a nutty enough constituency that
she's untouchable. Her platinum plated health care won't be affected,
or taxed. She's the ruling class so death boards won't matter. That's
little people stuff.
My own version of Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that
which can be explained by incompetence."
But there's a second part, a caveat: "Don't be a fool--malice exists."
Certainly it does. Now convince Obama of that (and that we aren't
it).
John's stupid-or-evil question's been nagging me.
Well, I took extensive inventory of the happenings and figured
"incompetence" explains most of it--foolish wrong beliefs, accepted
uncritically, and never checked. Like Pelosi's allegedly immoral
insurance company profits, Obama's $50k unnecessary amputations, green
jobs, broken window fallacy ($-for-clunkers), etc.
But, the House 10/29/09 health care bill? Sec. 2531(a)(4), under
"Incentive Payments For Medical Liability Reform," says states get
unspecified incentive payments toward health care for passing tort
reform laws, provided that:
"(B) the law does not limit attorneys’ fees or impose caps on
damages."
That's malice.
Oh, and ACORN's re-funded. That's malice too.
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It's malice when politicoes want to bash wealthy people when said
bashing will make working people worse off. Intelligent and wholesome
public policy will gently steer the most productive people into doing
the most public good, so that everybody wins.
Pelosi is stupid and evil. She practices the politics of hate. I think
that Obama is mostly stupid and remarkably passive.
John |
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On Nov 3, 5:23 am, Martin Brown <|||newspam... at (no spam) nezumi.demon.co.uk>
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[quote]John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:22:31 +0000, ChrisQ <m... at (no spam) devnull.com> wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
Shooting politicians and bureaucrats would be more effective ;-)
My sentiment as well, but someone has to run run the country and try to
balance the budgets. It would help the west if we all stopped exporting
jobs to China, but you can blame global multinationals for that, who
have no interest other than shareholder value.
No business is run as a charity. All businesses do what they have to
do to compete and survive. And shareholders hire boards and executives
exactly to maximize the value of their stocks; wouldn't you? So, given
It depends on whether they maximise the long term value of their stocks
by genuine management skill and organic growth or talk the price up with
a well constructed pack of lies and then dump the stock at peak market
leaving real long term investors to carry the can. The dot.com boom was
a pretty good example of that scam.
all that, tax policy should be structured to do the most good, which
includes creating jobs so that people have earnings so that they can
pay taxes.
No disagreement there. And simpler tax systems are better - but you do
have to do something smart to make sure that working harder always
creates a monotonically improving situation for most people.
We all want free market
economics, but business is now too powerfull for the good of nations.
Business is 100% of all economies. Business has to be powerful because
it creates wealth and stuff. As long as businesses compete, the more
powerful the business side of the economy, the better off everybody
is. The miserable nations suffer from too little business, not too
much.
Remind me how it was that we ended up having to bail out banks with vast
amounts of taxpayers money? Heads we win - tails you lose casino banking.
[/quote]
Made possible by the US Congress' dabbles in business: Freddie Mac and
Fannie Mae. They were that casino's bank & dealer.
Before them, it made no sense to loan money you thought mightn't come
back. But, once Freddie and Fannie made it a specific goal & mission
to make those loans half their 'book', the market & return for those
loans was, literally, guaranteed. By Congress.
I don't share this writer's outlook on home prices, but the last graph
depicting the US government's share in the home mortgage market looks
about right:
http://seekingalpha.com/article/170526-property-values-set-to-fall-43-from-current-depressed-levels?source=article_sb_popular
[quote]The increasing volume of high frequency trades looks like it will be the
next variant on the theme of too big to fail high
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HFT is destabilizing. But, is it the next thing? There are so many
to choose from.
AFAICT the 1st crisis isn't over, it's getting worse.
Then there's California, possibly, or some other state that's been
living beyond its means:
"It's impossible for this legislature to reform the pension
system, and if we don't, we bankrupt the state." --Bill Lockyer,
California State Treasurer, 10/22/2009 [1]
And he's not kidding.
--
Cheers,
James Arthur
[1] Here's California's state treasurer, a staunch, loyal, partisan
Democrat:
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John Larkin wrote:
[quote]On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:22:31 +0000, ChrisQ <meru at (no spam) devnull.com> wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
Shooting politicians and bureaucrats would be more effective
My sentiment as well, but someone has to run run the country and try to
balance the budgets. It would help the west if we all stopped exporting
jobs to China, but you can blame global multinationals for that, who
have no interest other than shareholder value.
No business is run as a charity. All businesses do what they have to
do to compete and survive. And shareholders hire boards and executives
exactly to maximize the value of their stocks; wouldn't you? So, given
[/quote]
It depends on whether they maximise the long term value of their stocks
by genuine management skill and organic growth or talk the price up with
a well constructed pack of lies and then dump the stock at peak market
leaving real long term investors to carry the can. The dot.com boom was
a pretty good example of that scam.
[quote]all that, tax policy should be structured to do the most good, which
includes creating jobs so that people have earnings so that they can
pay taxes.
[/quote]
No disagreement there. And simpler tax systems are better - but you do
have to do something smart to make sure that working harder always
creates a monotonically improving situation for most people.
[quote]We all want free market
economics, but business is now too powerfull for the good of nations.
Business is 100% of all economies. Business has to be powerful because
it creates wealth and stuff. As long as businesses compete, the more
powerful the business side of the economy, the better off everybody
is. The miserable nations suffer from too little business, not too
much.
[/quote]
Remind me how it was that we ended up having to bail out banks with vast
amounts of taxpayers money? Heads we win - tails you lose casino banking.
The increasing volume of high frequency trades looks like it will be the
next variant on the theme of too big to fail high loss city trading
MFUs. Around 70% of US stock transactions are now high speed programmed
trades parasitic on the businesses they purport to be dealing in. UK
experts are worried that the trend will totally destabilise the markets.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8338045.stm
They have found a new high stakes pass the parcel gambling game.
Regards,
Martin Brown |
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On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 10:23:31 +0000, Martin Brown
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[quote]John Larkin wrote:
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:22:31 +0000, ChrisQ <meru at (no spam) devnull.com> wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
Shooting politicians and bureaucrats would be more effective
My sentiment as well, but someone has to run run the country and try to
balance the budgets. It would help the west if we all stopped exporting
jobs to China, but you can blame global multinationals for that, who
have no interest other than shareholder value.
No business is run as a charity. All businesses do what they have to
do to compete and survive. And shareholders hire boards and executives
exactly to maximize the value of their stocks; wouldn't you? So, given
It depends on whether they maximise the long term value of their stocks
by genuine management skill and organic growth or talk the price up with
a well constructed pack of lies and then dump the stock at peak market
leaving real long term investors to carry the can. The dot.com boom was
a pretty good example of that scam.
[/quote]
Most of the dot.commers were sincere in expecting success. If you
don't like the risk of new-idea stocks, don't buy them.
[quote]
all that, tax policy should be structured to do the most good, which
includes creating jobs so that people have earnings so that they can
pay taxes.
No disagreement there. And simpler tax systems are better - but you do
have to do something smart to make sure that working harder always
creates a monotonically improving situation for most people.
We all want free market
economics, but business is now too powerfull for the good of nations.
Business is 100% of all economies. Business has to be powerful because
it creates wealth and stuff. As long as businesses compete, the more
powerful the business side of the economy, the better off everybody
is. The miserable nations suffer from too little business, not too
much.
Remind me how it was that we ended up having to bail out banks with vast
amounts of taxpayers money? Heads we win - tails you lose casino banking.
[/quote]
Thank Bill Clinton and Barney Frank for that.
[quote]
The increasing volume of high frequency trades looks like it will be the
next variant on the theme of too big to fail high loss city trading
MFUs. Around 70% of US stock transactions are now high speed programmed
trades parasitic on the businesses they purport to be dealing in. UK
experts are worried that the trend will totally destabilise the markets.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8338045.stm
They have found a new high stakes pass the parcel gambling game.
[/quote]
A little damping wouldn't hurt the system, like a 0.2% tax on all
stock trades, or a bigger tax on short-term trades.
John |
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On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:05:16 -0600, krw <krw at (no spam) att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
[quote]On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:03:21 -0800, Richard the Dreaded Libertarian
freedom_guy at (no spam) example.net> wrote:
On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 22:22:31 +0000, ChrisQ wrote:
Jim Thompson wrote:
Shooting politicians and bureaucrats would be more effective
My sentiment as well, but someone has to run run the country and try to
balance the budgets.
Then elect representatives who are neither polticians nor bureaucrats.
Cut federal spending to zero. Require every household to own at least one
firearm, having at least one trained operator.
Remember, it's not as important to know _how_ to shoot, as it is to know
_whom_ to shoot, _when_ to shoot, and possibly most importantly, _why_ to
shoot.
We already got the "why" part down pat. The "whom" is pretty clear
too. "When"?
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Pretty clear that Rich "the Whatever" would be a target as well
...Jim Thompson
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dagmargoodboat at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:
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He sounds frightened & lost. He's way over his head, and knows it.
And he has a horrible feeling that things aren't going well.
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Not good for the rest of the world then, the us sneezes and the rest
catch a cold  .
Doesn't seem to have Kennedy or Clinton balls, but time will tell...
Regards,
Chris |
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On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:27:15 +0000, ChrisQ <meru at (no spam) devnull.com> wrote:
[quote]dagmargoodboat at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:
He sounds frightened & lost. He's way over his head, and knows it.
And he has a horrible feeling that things aren't going well.
Not good for the rest of the world then, the us sneezes and the rest
catch a cold .
Doesn't seem to have Kennedy or Clinton balls, but time will tell...
Regards,
Chris
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Michelle has the balls, Barack has the whine
...Jim Thompson
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Jim Thompson wrote:
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On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:27:15 +0000, ChrisQ <meru at (no spam) devnull.com> wrote:
dagmargoodboat at (no spam) yahoo.com wrote:
He sounds frightened & lost. He's way over his head, and knows it.
And he has a horrible feeling that things aren't going well.
Not good for the rest of the world then, the us sneezes and the rest
catch a cold .
Doesn't seem to have Kennedy or Clinton balls, but time will tell...
Regards,
Chris
Michelle has the balls, Barack has the whine
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http://www.buzzfeed.com/lindseyweber/rupaul-as-michelle-and-barack-obama-ru
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