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| Judity... |
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| sudee... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 6:22 am |
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On Oct 9, 8:10 am, Judity <Judit... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
[quote:59f992ddc4]http://thinkprogress.org/2009/10/08/oklahoma-abortion-online/
What will be next? Outing men with ED?
Judity
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No, they will never out men. This is strictly a thing against women
and abortions. It's like the morning after pill and birth control
pills. Pharmacists hate to distribute them to women, but they have no
qualms giving Viagra to men and not caring if they are rapists, single
men who aren't married (which is their beef with women and birth
control pills). It all boils down to the women thing and it always
pisses me off. Every damn pharmacists has no problem with Viagra but
here they balk at BC pills and morning after due to moral issues. No
morale issues with a single man on Viagra. No questions asked. Is he a
rapists? Who cares he's a man and needs it.
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| Judity... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 7:09 am |
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Sue, what bothers me most is men telling a woman what she can do with
her own body. As you probably can tell from that sentence, I'm very
much pro-choice.
If men were the ones to become pregnant, I bet you a nickel their
opinions about abortion would change quicker than they could change a
diaper.
Judity |
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| Phyllis Nilsson... |
| Posted: Fri Oct 09, 2009 9:56 am |
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Since the questionnaire is statewide and only identifies abortions by
county, I think identifying a specific person would be between nil and none.
Those counties can be pretty spread over many, many miles.
It isn't quite true that medical records are totally confidential; studies,
reporting communicable diseases, crimes, etc. Although the group mentioned
feels the website is put up to scare women into not getting abortions, I
believe that, because the age is requested, they're looking for the crime of
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| Samatha Hill -- take out TRASH to reply... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:33 am |
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Judity wrote:
[quote:d34ac00179]Sue, what bothers me most is men telling a woman what she can do with
her own body. As you probably can tell from that sentence, I'm very
much pro-choice.
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This is sort of unrelated to that news article you posted, but if you
are pro-choice, I sure hope you also believe that a woman has a right to
choose how many children she wants, because I don't think it is fair for
it not to go both ways.
I have argued with many people who say they support abortion because
they believe in reproductive freedom yet they have no qualms with things
like China's oppressive one-child policy. |
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| Samatha Hill -- take out TRASH to reply... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:34 am |
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Judity wrote:
[quote:5cc1d30545]http://thinkprogress.org/2009/10/08/oklahoma-abortion-online/
What will be next? Outing men with ED?
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They aren't giving the names, so it's not a violation.
And BTW, it is not illegal for a pharmacy to sell lists of names of what
patients take what drug, so someone could already be selling those lists. |
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| Judity... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 6:23 am |
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((This is sort of unrelated to that news article you posted, but if
you
are pro-choice, I sure hope you also believe that a woman has a right
to
choose how many children she wants, because I don't think it is fair
for
it not to go both ways.))
Well, one of my sisters had eight children and another one had five,
A third sister only had two children, while I stuck to living with
animals. (grinning)
Samantha, I guess you can say my family made our choices without any
political intervention.
Judity |
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| Peggy Hodges... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 6:36 am |
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Even if it is identified only by county, if they are allowed to get
away with this, just watch and wait, the street address and phone
number will be the next things added. And after that, there will be
other information asked for, and more and more private information.
This seems to be a blatant infraction against HIPAA to me.
On Oct 9, 10:56 am, "Phyllis Nilsson" <phyllisnils... at (no spam) buckeye-
express.com> wrote:
[quote:889d39f2b7]Since the questionnaire is statewide and only identifies abortions by
county, I think identifying a specific person would be between nil and none.
Those counties can be pretty spread over many, many miles.
It isn't quite true that medical records are totally confidential; studies,
reporting communicable diseases, crimes, etc. Although the group mentioned
feels the website is put up to scare women into not getting abortions, I
believe that, because the age is requested, they're looking for the crime of
child rape.[/quote:889d39f2b7] |
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| Anne V... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:09 am |
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"Peggy Hodges" <peggyhodges218 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f3b8efaa-e3b3-4c7e-a155-286efcba166c at (no spam) m11g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
Even if it is identified only by county, if they are allowed to get
away with this, just watch and wait, the street address and phone
number will be the next things added. And after that, there will be
other information asked for, and more and more private information.
This seems to be a blatant infraction against HIPAA to me.
I don't know about that, but when people live in a small town or county, a
lot of time the info they want to use would make it fairly easy to identify
a person. I'm not sure what justification they can use for this.
Anne |
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| Anne V... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:11 am |
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"Samatha Hill -- take out TRASH to reply" <samhill at (no spam) TRASHsonic.net> wrote in
message news:4ad1986d$0$1958$742ec2ed at (no spam) news.sonic.net...
| This is sort of unrelated to that news article you posted, but if you
| are pro-choice, I sure hope you also believe that a woman has a right to
| choose how many children she wants, because I don't think it is fair for
| it not to go both ways.
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| I have argued with many people who say they support abortion because
| they believe in reproductive freedom yet they have no qualms with things
| like China's oppressive one-child policy.
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I very much believe it should go both ways, Samantha. It should never be up
to anyone but the parents.
Anne |
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| Anne V... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 11:12 am |
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"Samatha Hill -- take out TRASH to reply" <samhill at (no spam) TRASHsonic.net> wrote in
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| And BTW, it is not illegal for a pharmacy to sell lists of names of what
| patients take what drug, so someone could already be selling those lists.
It's not? Seriously?? That's just plain wrong!!!
Anne |
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| Barbara Carlson... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:21 pm |
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While I think it is irresponsible to have a very large family, especially
without carefully considering the impact on the family, financially and
otherwise, this is my opinion. I would strongly oppose any legislation
designed to limit a family's right to make those personal decisions and
think the law in China unconscionable.
However, by the same token, I feel it is wrong for those opposed to abortion
to make that decision for others. Just as you say, it goes both ways.
Barb C.
"Anne V" <avez64 at (no spam) NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:hat3jp$r51$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
[quote:646b695d7a]
"Samatha Hill -- take out TRASH to reply" <samhill at (no spam) TRASHsonic.net> wrote
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message news:4ad1986d$0$1958$742ec2ed at (no spam) news.sonic.net...
| This is sort of unrelated to that news article you posted, but if you
| are pro-choice, I sure hope you also believe that a woman has a right to
| choose how many children she wants, because I don't think it is fair for
| it not to go both ways.
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| I have argued with many people who say they support abortion because
| they believe in reproductive freedom yet they have no qualms with things
| like China's oppressive one-child policy.
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I very much believe it should go both ways, Samantha. It should never be
up
to anyone but the parents.
Anne
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| Samatha Hill -- take out TRASH to reply... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:08 pm |
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Anne V wrote:
[quote:039a4df257]"Samatha Hill -- take out TRASH to reply" <samhill at (no spam) TRASHsonic.net> wrote in
message news:4ad1989e$0$1958$742ec2ed at (no spam) news.sonic.net...
| And BTW, it is not illegal for a pharmacy to sell lists of names of what
| patients take what drug, so someone could already be selling those lists.
It's not? Seriously?? That's just plain wrong!!!
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I agree, but after working in a doctor's office the past year, I can
understand why they elected to not make HIPAA apply to medications -- it
makes it easier to root out drug abusers who get Vicodin prescriptions
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| Samatha Hill -- take out TRASH to reply... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:23 pm |
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Barbara Carlson wrote:
[quote:6d35bbb595]
However, by the same token, I feel it is wrong for those opposed to abortion
to make that decision for others. Just as you say, it goes both ways.
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I think everybody should be allowed to vote their own conscience and not
have to vote something in that violates their conscience, but as I have
said a bazillion times before, I would be happy with not giving abortion
preferred treatment and giving the same treatment as, say, a
hysterectomy? In California that means a complete informed consent must
be on the books for 48 hours ahead of time and minors must obtain
parental consent (although I think going to a family law court judge for
permission absent parental consent, which can be done on a same-day
basis in most cases the same as restraining orders, could be offered as
a substitute). That to me would be much preferable to what we have now.
I find it crazy that if a minor female finds herself pregnant here she
can get an abortion under her parents' medical insurance without her
parents' consent or knowledge BUT then if she has complications, she
needs their consent. A close relative of mine (specific relationship
omitted to protect the guilty party and all the other close relatives
who together conspired to keep me in the dark  ) had a very dangerous
surgery a number of years ago and I was only told about it after they
had arrived back home from the hospital, and all I could think of when I
was told after the sting/hurt/shock wore off was what it would have been
like to get a call that they hadn't survived the surgery that I had no
idea they had undergone.
And it is also sort of crazy that that same pregnant minor is in effect
considered an emancipated minor and can run away from home and set up
housekeeping by herself and get welfare, etc., but if her parents find
out and want her to come back home so they can support her through her
pregnancy, they are billed for the cost of all the welfare benefits
extended to her plus some surcharge. It sort of bamboozles me that the
parents get the responsibilities but none of the privileges. If the
state really wanted to do that, they should just lower the age of
majority or something. |
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| Anne V... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 9:09 am |
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"Samatha Hill -- take out TRASH to reply" <samhill at (no spam) TRASHsonic.net> wrote in
message news:4ad6ae4b$0$2023$742ec2ed at (no spam) news.sonic.net...
|| I agree, but after working in a doctor's office the past year, I can
| understand why they elected to not make HIPAA apply to medications -- it
| makes it easier to root out drug abusers who get Vicodin prescriptions
| and worse from multiple doctors.
Having done transcription for several doctors' offices in the same small
town at the same time, I know exactly what you mean (talk about having to
bite your tongue a lot!!), and if that was all it was used for, I could
understand, but I don't have that much confidence, not when there's money
involved. I'm not real thrilled with DMV selling names and addresses and
info about what kind of cars people are driving either. (If I get one more
call from someone trying to sell me an extended warranty, I think I'll
scream!!!)
Anne |
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