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I think this is what we can do as a hobby:
(1) construct a wind turbine generator to generate electricity.
(2) use the electricity generated to electrolyze the water.
(3) use salt water and use low voltage + large number of electrode, this
will make sure the electrolysis process has the highest efficiency.
(4) collect the hydrogen gas. Of course you know that hydrogen is very
explosive and you have to very carefull not to mix the hydrogen with air.
(5) Pump the hydroge gas into a car's NGV tank when the tank is empty.
(assume you have a natural gas powered vehicle)
(6) you only need to pump 600psi, after than you drive your car (in petrol
mode) to a
CNG station to pump natural gas to full tank that is 3000psi.
(7) That means now you have 20% hydrogen blended with 80% natural gas in the
CNG tank.
( you should be able to run your car now with this 20% H + 80% NG.
(correct me if I am wrong) |
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| hhc314... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:22 am |
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On Oct 10, 5:20 am, "New_idea" <New_i... at (no spam) renewable.energy.com> wrote:
[quote:caeb0bc44d]I think this is what we can do as a hobby:
(1) construct a wind turbine generator to generate electricity.
(2) use the electricity generated to electrolyze the water.
(3) use salt water and use low voltage + large number of electrode, this
will make sure the electrolysis process has the highest efficiency.
(4) collect the hydrogen gas. Of course you know that hydrogen is very
explosive and you have to very carefull not to mix the hydrogen with air.
(5) Pump the hydroge gas into a car's NGV tank when the tank is empty.
(assume you have a natural gas powered vehicle)
(6) you only need to pump 600psi, after than you drive your car (in petrol
mode) to a
CNG station to pump natural gas to full tank that is 3000psi.
(7) That means now you have 20% hydrogen blended with 80% natural gas in the
CNG tank.
( you should be able to run your car now with this 20% H + 80% NG.
(correct me if I am wrong)
[/quote:caeb0bc44d]
What you will obtain is a mix or chlorine, hyrdogen, and water vapor.
The chlorine will combine with the water vapor to form hydrochloric
acid droplets which are useful in cleaning masonry and brick surfaces.
What do you think it will do to the cyliders of a car engine?
I'm not quite sure what your goal is, except if you are in the
business of selling replacement car engines.
Harry C. |
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| PV... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 12:17 pm |
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"New_idea" <New_idea at (no spam) renewable.energy.com> writes:
[quote:4a740c21ec]I think this is what we can do as a hobby:
(1) construct a wind turbine generator to generate electricity.
(2) use the electricity generated to electrolyze the water.
[/quote:4a740c21ec]
You had electricity, and just threw a bunch of it away (at least 17%, but
much more in practice). This is dumb.
[quote:4a740c21ec](3) use salt water and use low voltage + large number of electrode, this
will make sure the electrolysis process has the highest efficiency.
[/quote:4a740c21ec]
The number of electrodes doesn't matter. You're taking a energetically
valuable resource (electricity) and pissing it away, before you even start
turning any wheels.
[quote:4a740c21ec](4) collect the hydrogen gas. Of course you know that hydrogen is very
explosive and you have to very carefull not to mix the hydrogen with air.
[/quote:4a740c21ec]
Which gets fiendishly difficult with setup #3.
[quote:4a740c21ec](5) Pump the hydroge gas into a car's NGV tank when the tank is empty.
(assume you have a natural gas powered vehicle)
[/quote:4a740c21ec]
I've never driven a natural gas car, but I was under the impression that
they used LNG, not gas. It would be incredibly stupid to do otherwise.
[quote:4a740c21ec](6) you only need to pump 600psi, after than you drive your car (in petrol
[/quote:4a740c21ec]
Only?!
[quote:4a740c21ec]mode) to a CNG station to pump natural gas to full tank that is 3000psi.
[/quote:4a740c21ec]
The contained energy density of LNG is miles higher than gaseous H2. Why
the hell would you do this? And why would you think that a LNG car could
safely ACCEPT a hydrogen gas input, let alone contain 600psi?
[quote:4a740c21ec]( you should be able to run your car now with this 20% H + 80% NG.
(correct me if I am wrong)
[/quote:4a740c21ec]
I think you need to go a heck of a lot further before you're merely
wrong. *
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* PV Something like badgers, something like lizards, and something
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| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:32 pm |
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"hhc314" <hhc314 at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Oct 10, 5:20 am, "New_idea" <New_i... at (no spam) renewable.energy.com> wrote:
[quote:19f2a9cf64]I think this is what we can do as a hobby:
(1) construct a wind turbine generator to generate electricity.
(2) use the electricity generated to electrolyze the water.
(3) use salt water and use low voltage + large number of electrode, this
will make sure the electrolysis process has the highest efficiency.
(4) collect the hydrogen gas. Of course you know that hydrogen is very
explosive and you have to very carefull not to mix the hydrogen with air.
(5) Pump the hydroge gas into a car's NGV tank when the tank is empty.
(assume you have a natural gas powered vehicle)
(6) you only need to pump 600psi, after than you drive your car (in petrol
mode) to a
CNG station to pump natural gas to full tank that is 3000psi.
(7) That means now you have 20% hydrogen blended with 80% natural gas in
the
CNG tank.
( you should be able to run your car now with this 20% H + 80% NG.
(correct me if I am wrong)
[/quote:19f2a9cf64]
What you will obtain is a mix or chlorine, hyrdogen, and water vapor.
The chlorine will combine with the water vapor to form hydrochloric
acid droplets which are useful in cleaning masonry and brick surfaces.
What do you think it will do to the cyliders of a car engine?
I'm not quite sure what your goal is, except if you are in the
business of selling replacement car engines.
Harry C.
The water has small amount of salt added.
Only a small amount of clorin is being release from +ve electrode plus
large amount of O2 release from +ve electrode.
The -ve electrode will release hydrogen gas + water vapour.
of course we need to remove the water vapor before we can use the hydrogen.
and of course there is partition between -ve electrode and +ve electrode
see picture
http://www.geocities.com/cfansoon/Electrolysis.gif |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 8:35 pm |
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"PV" <pv+usenet at (no spam) pobox.com> wrote in message
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[quote:f37f9fe723]"New_idea" <New_idea at (no spam) renewable.energy.com> writes:
I think this is what we can do as a hobby:
(1) construct a wind turbine generator to generate electricity.
(2) use the electricity generated to electrolyze the water.
You had electricity, and just threw a bunch of it away (at least 17%, but
much more in practice). This is dumb.
(3) use salt water and use low voltage + large number of electrode, this
will make sure the electrolysis process has the highest efficiency.
The number of electrodes doesn't matter. You're taking a energetically
valuable resource (electricity) and pissing it away, before you even start
turning any wheels.
(4) collect the hydrogen gas. Of course you know that hydrogen is very
explosive and you have to very carefull not to mix the hydrogen with air.
Which gets fiendishly difficult with setup #3.
(5) Pump the hydroge gas into a car's NGV tank when the tank is empty.
(assume you have a natural gas powered vehicle)
I've never driven a natural gas car, but I was under the impression that
they used LNG, not gas. It would be incredibly stupid to do otherwise.
(6) you only need to pump 600psi, after than you drive your car (in petrol
Only?!
mode) to a CNG station to pump natural gas to full tank that is 3000psi.
The contained energy density of LNG is miles higher than gaseous H2. Why
the hell would you do this? And why would you think that a LNG car could
safely ACCEPT a hydrogen gas input, let alone contain 600psi?
( you should be able to run your car now with this 20% H + 80% NG.
(correct me if I am wrong)
I think you need to go a heck of a lot further before you're merely
wrong. *
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* PV Something like badgers, something like lizards, and something
like corkscrews.
[/quote:f37f9fe723]
Natural gas is not LNG
Car running natural gas has a big gas tank.
The natural gas is being compressed to 3000psi
and pump into the tank. The gas is still in gas form even under 3000psi.
About Electrolysis:
The water has small amount of salt added.
Only a small amount of clorin is being release in +ve electrode plus large
amount of O2 release from +ve electrode.
The -ve electrode will release hydrogen gas and contain water vapour.
of course we need to remove the water vapor before we can use the hydrogen.
and of course there is a partition between -ve electrode and +ve electrode
see picture
http://www.geocities.com/cfansoon/Electrolysis.gif |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:04 pm |
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"New_idea" <New_idea at (no spam) renewable.energy.com> wrote in message
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[quote:cdb49a2cab]
"hhc314" <hhc314 at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:83246249-8cea-4a61-8ad3-572bb7e40cf5 at (no spam) z34g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 10, 5:20 am, "New_idea" <New_i... at (no spam) renewable.energy.com> wrote:
I think this is what we can do as a hobby:
(1) construct a wind turbine generator to generate electricity.
(2) use the electricity generated to electrolyze the water.
(3) use salt water and use low voltage + large number of electrode, this
will make sure the electrolysis process has the highest efficiency.
(4) collect the hydrogen gas. Of course you know that hydrogen is very
explosive and you have to very carefull not to mix the hydrogen with air.
(5) Pump the hydroge gas into a car's NGV tank when the tank is empty.
(assume you have a natural gas powered vehicle)
(6) you only need to pump 600psi, after than you drive your car (in
petrol
mode) to a
CNG station to pump natural gas to full tank that is 3000psi.
(7) That means now you have 20% hydrogen blended with 80% natural gas in
the
CNG tank.
( you should be able to run your car now with this 20% H + 80% NG.
(correct me if I am wrong)
What you will obtain is a mix or chlorine, hyrdogen, and water vapor.
The chlorine will combine with the water vapor to form hydrochloric
acid droplets which are useful in cleaning masonry and brick surfaces.
What do you think it will do to the cyliders of a car engine?
I'm not quite sure what your goal is, except if you are in the
business of selling replacement car engines.
Harry C.
The water has small amount of salt added.
Only a small amount of clorin is being release from +ve electrode plus
large amount of O2 release from +ve electrode.
The -ve electrode will release hydrogen gas + water vapour.
of course we need to remove the water vapor before we can use the
hydrogen.
and of course there is partition between -ve electrode and +ve electrode
see picture
http://www.geocities.com/cfansoon/Electrolysis.gif
[/quote:cdb49a2cab]
This website also talk about electrolisis of water, on how to get hydrogen
and oxygen from water
http://miniscience.com/projects/WaterElectrolise.htm
From the picture on this website, clearly see that the oxigen is colected on
the left tube and the hydrgen is collected on the right tube.
So you will never mix this two gas together and this is what we want,
because if you mix oxygen with hydrogen with spark the result is BIG BANG
EXPLOSION!
I need to say again, the water vapour need to be remove from the hydrogen
before we can use he hydrogen as fuel. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:14 pm |
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"New_idea" <New_idea at (no spam) renewable.energy.com> wrote in message
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[quote:1bd1139c26]
"New_idea" <New_idea at (no spam) renewable.energy.com> wrote in message
news:hasc83$spi$1 at (no spam) adenine.netfront.net...
"hhc314" <hhc314 at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:83246249-8cea-4a61-8ad3-572bb7e40cf5 at (no spam) z34g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 10, 5:20 am, "New_idea" <New_i... at (no spam) renewable.energy.com> wrote:
I think this is what we can do as a hobby:
(1) construct a wind turbine generator to generate electricity.
(2) use the electricity generated to electrolyze the water.
(3) use salt water and use low voltage + large number of electrode, this
will make sure the electrolysis process has the highest efficiency.
(4) collect the hydrogen gas. Of course you know that hydrogen is very
explosive and you have to very carefull not to mix the hydrogen with
air.
(5) Pump the hydroge gas into a car's NGV tank when the tank is empty.
(assume you have a natural gas powered vehicle)
(6) you only need to pump 600psi, after than you drive your car (in
petrol
mode) to a
CNG station to pump natural gas to full tank that is 3000psi.
(7) That means now you have 20% hydrogen blended with 80% natural gas in
the
CNG tank.
( you should be able to run your car now with this 20% H + 80% NG.
(correct me if I am wrong)
What you will obtain is a mix or chlorine, hyrdogen, and water vapor.
The chlorine will combine with the water vapor to form hydrochloric
acid droplets which are useful in cleaning masonry and brick surfaces.
What do you think it will do to the cyliders of a car engine?
I'm not quite sure what your goal is, except if you are in the
business of selling replacement car engines.
Harry C.
The water has small amount of salt added.
Only a small amount of clorin is being release from +ve electrode plus
large amount of O2 release from +ve electrode.
The -ve electrode will release hydrogen gas + water vapour.
of course we need to remove the water vapor before we can use the
hydrogen.
and of course there is partition between -ve electrode and +ve electrode
see picture
http://www.geocities.com/cfansoon/Electrolysis.gif
This website also talk about electrolisis of water, on how to get hydrogen
and oxygen from water
http://miniscience.com/projects/WaterElectrolise.htm
From the picture on this website, clearly see that the oxigen is colected
on the left tube and the hydrgen is collected on the right tube.
So you will never mix this two gas together and this is what we want,
because if you mix oxygen with hydrogen with spark the result is BIG BANG
EXPLOSION!
I need to say again, the water vapour need to be remove from the hydrogen
before we can use he hydrogen as fuel.
[/quote:1bd1139c26]
Isn't it cool if we don't need to depend on fossil fuel to run our car? |
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| hhc314... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:15 am |
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On Oct 10, 7:32 pm, "New_idea" <New_i... at (no spam) renewable.energy.com> wrote:
[quote:740cbf41b0]"hhc314" <hhc... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:83246249-8cea-4a61-8ad3-572bb7e40cf5 at (no spam) z34g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 10, 5:20 am, "New_idea" <New_i... at (no spam) renewable.energy.com> wrote:
I think this is what we can do as a hobby:
(1) construct a wind turbine generator to generate electricity.
(2) use the electricity generated to electrolyze the water.
(3) use salt water and use low voltage + large number of electrode, this
will make sure the electrolysis process has the highest efficiency.
(4) collect the hydrogen gas. Of course you know that hydrogen is very
explosive and you have to very carefull not to mix the hydrogen with air.
(5) Pump the hydroge gas into a car's NGV tank when the tank is empty.
(assume you have a natural gas powered vehicle)
(6) you only need to pump 600psi, after than you drive your car (in petrol
mode) to a
CNG station to pump natural gas to full tank that is 3000psi.
(7) That means now you have 20% hydrogen blended with 80% natural gas in
the
CNG tank.
( you should be able to run your car now with this 20% H + 80% NG.
(correct me if I am wrong)
What you will obtain is a mix or chlorine, hyrdogen, and water vapor.
The chlorine will combine with the water vapor to form hydrochloric
acid droplets which are useful in cleaning masonry and brick surfaces.
What do you think it will do to the cyliders of a car engine?
I'm not quite sure what your goal is, except if you are in the
business of selling replacement car engines.
Harry C.
The water has small amount of salt added.
Only a small amount of clorin is being release from +ve electrode plus
large amount of O2 release from +ve electrode.
The -ve electrode will release hydrogen gas + water vapour.
of course we need to remove the water vapor before we can use the hydrogen.
and of course there is partition between -ve electrode and +ve electrode
see picturehttp://www.geocities.com/cfansoon/Electrolysis.gif- Hide quoted text -
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Precisely where do you belive the chlorine goes when the NaCl becomes
disassociated?
Why not use something other than table salt...since there are many
better candidates.
Now if you truly do have isolated gas collection chambers for each
electrode, then the chlorine will mix with the oxygen produced at the
anode of the cell, and when released, simply contaminate the
atmosphere with toxic chlorine, which is among other things a poison
gas used during WWI (nasty stuff). As a result, I would suggest that
you not experiment with this in an enclosed space. Escaping hydrogen
is dangerous enough by itself in an enclosed space.
Be careful because hyrogen mixed with air has a broad range of
explosive concentratons, and at least one former member of this
newsgroup blew himself up in the process of experimenting with
hydrogen in the form of what he called "Brown's Gas" which is simply a
stochiometric mix of hydrogen and oxygen.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:32 am |
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On Oct 10, 8:14 pm, "New_idea" <New_i... at (no spam) renewable.energy.com> wrote:
[quote:12b3fc4851]"New_idea" <New_i... at (no spam) renewable.energy.com> wrote in message
news:hase60$1018$1 at (no spam) adenine.netfront.net...
"New_idea" <New_i... at (no spam) renewable.energy.com> wrote in message
news:hasc83$spi$1 at (no spam) adenine.netfront.net...
"hhc314" <hhc... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:83246249-8cea-4a61-8ad3-572bb7e40cf5 at (no spam) z34g2000vbl.googlegroups.com....
On Oct 10, 5:20 am, "New_idea" <New_i... at (no spam) renewable.energy.com> wrote:
I think this is what we can do as a hobby:
(1) construct a wind turbine generator to generate electricity.
(2) use the electricity generated to electrolyze the water.
(3) use salt water and use low voltage + large number of electrode, this
will make sure the electrolysis process has the highest efficiency.
(4) collect the hydrogen gas. Of course you know that hydrogen is very
explosive and you have to very carefull not to mix the hydrogen with
air.
(5) Pump the hydroge gas into a car's NGV tank when the tank is empty..
(assume you have a natural gas powered vehicle)
(6) you only need to pump 600psi, after than you drive your car (in
petrol
mode) to a
CNG station to pump natural gas to full tank that is 3000psi.
(7) That means now you have 20% hydrogen blended with 80% natural gas in
the
CNG tank.
( you should be able to run your car now with this 20% H + 80% NG.
(correct me if I am wrong)
What you will obtain is a mix or chlorine, hyrdogen, and water vapor.
The chlorine will combine with the water vapor to form hydrochloric
acid droplets which are useful in cleaning masonry and brick surfaces.
What do you think it will do to the cyliders of a car engine?
I'm not quite sure what your goal is, except if you are in the
business of selling replacement car engines.
Harry C.
The water has small amount of salt added.
Only a small amount of clorin is being release from +ve electrode plus
large amount of O2 release from +ve electrode.
The -ve electrode will release hydrogen gas + water vapour.
of course we need to remove the water vapor before we can use the
hydrogen.
and of course there is partition between -ve electrode and +ve electrode
see picture
http://www.geocities.com/cfansoon/Electrolysis.gif
This website also talk about electrolisis of water, on how to get hydrogen
and oxygen from water
http://miniscience.com/projects/WaterElectrolise.htm
From the picture on this website, clearly see that the oxigen is colected
on the left tube and the hydrgen is collected on the right tube.
So you will never mix this two gas together and this is what we want,
because if you mix oxygen with hydrogen with spark the result is BIG BANG
EXPLOSION!
I need to say again, the water vapour need to be remove from the hydrogen
before we can use he hydrogen as fuel.
Isn't it cool if we don't need to depend on fossil fuel to run our car?- Hide quoted text -
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ROFL!!!!
Where do you believe electricity in sufficient quantities to power
millions of cars come from?
What many laymen and young students simply don't realize, or want to
realize, is that most all of the fossil fuels are the result of solar
energy captured and stored over many millions of years. Solar energy
is not particularly useful when you attempt to capture and use it in
real time.
Didn't you guys that support these silly ideas ever take math or
physics in school?
Let me describe the process in second grade terms. Sunshine cases
plant growth, and decaying plant growth turns into coal. Early
creatures ate this solar powered plant growth, and on their deaths,
eventually turned into oil and natural gas. This process took millions
of years to accomplish.
Solar power captured and stored for millions of years powers our
civilization, and only nuclear energy can compare. Solar power
requires millions of years capture, prior to use. Nuclear energy is
available in real-time.
I hope that no one is offended, but that's simply scientific fact.
Harry C. |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:16 am |
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New_idea wrote:
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Isn't it cool if we don't need to depend on fossil fuel to run our car?
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Except for the tiny detail that if you do not have a NET new energy
source, you will in reality be destroying MORE fossil fuel, not less.
http://www.tinaja.com/nrglect2.pdf
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Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
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On Oct 11, 11:41 pm, DanB <a... at (no spam) some.net> wrote:
[quote:3fe4e24626]Your kids are screwed, get a grip, accept it. Unless your kids are
willing to live in a world without 'consumption'.
[/quote:3fe4e24626]
Do you know how many TVs in this world that are on right now and not
being watched?
I'm not sure who would complain about that way of life coming to an
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New_idea wrote:
[quote:d2c2499334]http://www.geocities.com/cfansoon/Electrolysis.gif
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12 volts? You really are clueless....... |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:41 am |
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hhc314 wrote:
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ROFL!!!!
Where do you believe electricity in sufficient quantities to power
millions of cars come from?
[/quote:d20bf049eb]
Harry,
You need to crunch numbers. The 'size' of the infrastructure is not the
problem.
<http://lakeweb.com/money/solar.gif>
That is everything. Electricity and electric transportation, fully
packed, for the U.S.
It is about competing with very cheap oil and that the 'very cheap' oil
is at the end of existence.
It is about that markets, with all their 'efficiency' will never address
that the 'very cheap' oil will not exist, over night now.
This is usenet. I don't expect anyone here to get their head out of
their ass and seriously crunch the numbers.
Your kids are screwed, get a grip, accept it. Unless your kids are
willing to live in a world without 'consumption'.
If they are just willing to live, they have a chance, I would hope...
Best, Dan. |
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| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:44 am |
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"DanB" <abc at (no spam) some.net> wrote in message
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[quote:48e4485d60]New_idea wrote:
http://www.geocities.com/cfansoon/Electrolysis.gif
12 volts? You really are clueless.......
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There is a project by Idaho National Laboratory under U.S Department of
Energy that do experiment of running vehicle with "Hydrogen+Natural gas
mixture" or even 100% hydrogen.
http://avt.inel.gov/hydrogen.html
It is a good idea if we can use hydrogen to run our (existing internal
combustion)
car by just a few thousand dollars modification on our car.
The question is where to you get hydrogen gas?
One way is to use electricity to electrolysis water, and the electricity can
come from renewable source (wind,solar,hydro power plants)
Some people might said "oh it is a lot cheaper to produce hydrogen from
fossil fuel"
but than if you do that you still depend on fossil fuel to power you
vehicle!
My point is: stop using fossil fuel to power our vehicle.
If the hydrogen produced by electrolysis process is very expensive, we can
find ways to reduce the cost.
If the electrolysis process I mention in my earlier posting is no good.
If there are other negative effect from this electrolysis process
we can find a better way to electrolysis the water and find ways to improve
it efficiency and find a better ways to do electrolysis so that it will not
produce negative effect ,
example this website talk about adding a small amount of said sulfuric to
the water to increase the efficiency
http://miniscience.com/projects/WaterElectrolise.htm
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| Don Lancaster... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:08 am |
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DanB wrote:
[quote:71df730072]New_idea wrote:
http://www.geocities.com/cfansoon/Electrolysis.gif
12 volts? You really are clueless.......
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Electrolysis is a CURRENT DRIVEN process, not a voltage driven one!
It is thus inherently inefficient (as defined and guaranteed by
Thevenin) unless special switchmode techniques are in use.
Even when efficient, exergy GUARANTEES that electrolysis is efficient at
converting very high value kilowatt hours of energy into very low value
kilowatt hours of energy.
Electrolysis from high value sources such as wind, pv, grid, or
alternator flat out ain't gonna happen. There ALWAYS will be more
intelligent things to do with the electricity than immediately and
irrevocably destroying most of its value.
More at http://www.tinaja.com/glib/muse153.pdf
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Synergetics 3860 West First Street Box 809 Thatcher, AZ 85552
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