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| BradGuth... |
 Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:36 am |
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On Oct 12, 3:48 pm, "J0nathan" <hereth... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:31f0189f02]"vict0r" <l... at (no spam) oocom.netb> wrote in message
news:ZqEAm.39944$BL3.18695 at (no spam) en-nntp-08.dc1.easynews.com...
what WMD fiasco are you referring to?
Not sure if you're being sarcastic. But just in case, the fiasco was using
WMD's as the primary justification for the invasion of Iraq, then we
didn't find any once we got there. Big big embarrassment.
NASA is using "Moon Water" as a primary justification for a Moon
colony, if they can mine enough water from the dust for a colony
to be able to provide for itself, they could claim a colony is
practical.
But it's starting to look like they won't find the kind of ice there
they need to use as a reason for going back to the Moon.
I oppose going back to the Moon, and I'm not going to let them
fudge and start claiming trace amounts is enough to justify going back
without a bunch of hollering on my part.
Wouldn't be right!
Jonathan
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Going deep into that robust crust should turn up at least a mineral
brine or geode pocket that's still wet here or there. There should
also be s few semi-hollow portions or layers of that crust, not to
mention of whatever is underneath, that's of a considerably less than
basalt density to contend with (barely compacted interior).
~ BG |
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| jonathan... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 7:06 pm |
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"BradGuth" <bradguth at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Oct 11, 3:05 am, "J0nathan" <hereth... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
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For someone supposedly as intelligent as yourself, why are you so
ignorant or in denial of what the planet Venus has to offer?
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It's too hot and too far away.
~ BG |
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| BradGuth... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:12 am |
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On Oct 19, 6:06 pm, "jonathan" <Bit... at (no spam) myass.com> wrote:
[quote]"BradGuth" <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Oct 11, 3:05 am, "J0nathan" <hereth... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
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For someone supposedly as intelligent as yourself, why are you so
ignorant or in denial of what the planet Venus has to offer?
It's too hot and too far away.
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As I thought, you are so technology ignorant or stuck in obfuscation/
exclusion mode of mainstream denial, as to avoiding what the planet
Venus has to offer.
I thought you knew something about science and physics. Sorry, my
mistake.
~ BG |
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| BradGuth... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:57 pm |
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On Oct 21, 4:32 pm, "not-jonathan" <Bit... at (no spam) myass.com> wrote:
[quote]"BradGuth" <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7ef56349-fb17-4d63-ab44-1ada5c39fd8a at (no spam) o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 19, 6:06 pm, "jonathan" <Bit... at (no spam) myass.com> wrote:
It's too hot and too far away.
As I thought, you are so technology ignorant or stuck in obfuscation/
exclusion mode of mainstream denial, as to avoiding what the planet
Venus has to offer.
I thought you knew something about science and physics. Sorry, my
mistake.
~ BG
I'm here to sell people on the idea of replacing a moon shot
with SSP. So sell me on your ideas about Venus. I haven't
really seen your pitch in any detail.
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This is not a proper topic for this, so I'll start a new topic:
"Why the hell not Venus / Brad Guth" |
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| not-jonathan... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:33 pm |
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"BradGuth" <bradguth at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7ef56349-fb17-4d63-ab44-1ada5c39fd8a at (no spam) o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 19, 6:06 pm, "jonathan" <Bit... at (no spam) myass.com> wrote:
[quote]It's too hot and too far away.
As I thought, you are so technology ignorant or stuck in obfuscation/
exclusion mode of mainstream denial, as to avoiding what the planet
Venus has to offer.
I thought you knew something about science and physics. Sorry, my
mistake.
~ BG
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I'm here to sell people on the idea of replacing a moon shot
with SSP. So sell me on your ideas about Venus. I haven't
really seen your pitch in any detail. |
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| BradGuth... |
| Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:50 am |
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On Oct 21, 4:32 pm, "not-jonathan" <Bit... at (no spam) myass.com> wrote:
[quote]"BradGuth" <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7ef56349-fb17-4d63-ab44-1ada5c39fd8a at (no spam) o9g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 19, 6:06 pm, "jonathan" <Bit... at (no spam) myass.com> wrote:
It's too hot and too far away.
As I thought, you are so technology ignorant or stuck in obfuscation/
exclusion mode of mainstream denial, as to avoiding what the planet
Venus has to offer.
I thought you knew something about science and physics. Sorry, my
mistake.
~ BG
I'm here to sell people on the idea of replacing a moon shot
with SSP. So sell me on your ideas about Venus. I haven't
really seen your pitch in any detail.
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First off, there’s nothing wrong with SSP, as it’s an honest motivated
technology concept that needs some fine tuning and otherwise it needs
a fair amount of a public funded opportunity that I’m willing to go
along with a 50/50 investment, of half private matched by half public
loot. Unfortunately, you seem more than a little bogus with your
“ at (no spam) myass.com” and that stealth phony name of “not-jonathan”, not to
mention having posted no apparent topics related to SSP or even as
having contributed to others that have. As we can safely say, you’re
a phony as a three dollar bill, and I’ll bet that you’re Jewish and
Republican to boot.
However, the basic sales pitch for Venus:
The planet Venus is unlike our naked and crystal dry moon, or even
unlike much of Earth that’s energy starved and becoming resource
depleted in any sense of being affordably so, whereas the planet Venus
is on the other hand downright toasty as hell but rather nicely
overloaded with renewable energy as is, and there are relatively few
shortages (including water) that’ll ever need to be imported from
Earth. I have a good hundred zingers that’ll further embellish what
Venus has to offer, though I’m pretty sure that you’re not honestly
interested.
Think of Venus as the ultimate mineral and raw element candy shop of
just about anything you can imagine, along with its very own surplus
of local energy to burn (so to speak). Even though we’ll be at best
second to whomever is already there, it’s certainly nearby and large
enough, as well as geologically active enough for accommodating us and
a few others to mine and share its wealth. But then you’re not really
here to honestly mine or share anything, so what’s the difference?
~ BG |
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| BradGuth... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 6:41 pm |
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On Oct 23, 5:56 pm, "Jonathan" <H... at (no spam) Again.net> wrote:
[quote]"BradGuth" <bradg... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b1648628-78eb-47e4-b829-d933a6487c14 at (no spam) 2g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
Think of Venus as the ultimate mineral and raw element candy shop of
just about anything you can imagine, along with its very own surplus
of local energy to burn (so to speak).
That's not in dispute. Collecting it and getting it here is the problem.
Any ideas needs to be somewhat practical, at least not go too far
beyond the bounds of possibility. Which is why I oppose the whole
to the Moon and Mars notion. It's such a long long road, how can
you get enough support for something so distant in the future?
Where even our children won't see the results, let alone us?
Stretch an idea too thin, in breaks.
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True enough, and that's why we need that Boeing OASIS or Clarke
Station that's relatively easy and efficient to accomplish and sustain
at our Selene/moon L1.
However, compared to Mars, Venus is a no brainer, and there's
certainly lots more to see and do. It's also not nearly as
insurmountable for humans as you might care to think. Something
robotic or some kind of intelligence has already been there, but for
the moment you'll need at least one good eye and a open deductive
thinking mind-set in order to notice. Most here in Usenet/newsgroups
are parrots of the mainstream status quo, and thus either unable or
too afraid to deductively think or logically interact.
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Even though we'll be at best
second to whomever is already there, it's certainly nearby and large
enough, as well as geologically active enough for accommodating us and
a few others to mine and share its wealth. But then you're not really
here to honestly mine or share anything, so what's the difference?
I've been here for several years, saying the same things over and over.
It seems to annoy OM and Pat when I change my handle around
that's all that's about. I think killfiling is juvenile, and I'm treating them
in kind.
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I'm afraid that's the best we can do, especially since they are each
public funded and continually receiving added support plus those
Brownie Points from their faith-based (pretend-Atheist and mostly
republican) peers and minions. I agree that "killfiling is juvenile",
whereas such killfiling is exactly the sort of thing Hitler would do
whenever he couldn't actually kill the messenger.
~ BG |
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| Jonathan... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:04 pm |
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"BradGuth" <bradguth at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:b1648628-78eb-47e4-b829-d933a6487c14 at (no spam) 2g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
[quote]Think of Venus as the ultimate mineral and raw element candy shop of
just about anything you can imagine, along with its very own surplus
of local energy to burn (so to speak).
[/quote]
That's not in dispute. Collecting it and getting it here is the problem.
Any ideas needs to be somewhat practical, at least not go too far
beyond the bounds of possibility. Which is why I oppose the whole
to the Moon and Mars notion. It's such a long long road, how can
you get enough support for something so distant in the future?
Where even our children won't see the results, let alone us?
Stretch an idea too thin, in breaks.
[quote]Even though we'll be at best
second to whomever is already there, it's certainly nearby and large
enough, as well as geologically active enough for accommodating us and
a few others to mine and share its wealth. But then you're not really
here to honestly mine or share anything, so what's the difference?
[/quote]
I've been here for several years, saying the same things over and over.
It seems to annoy OM and Pat when I change my handle around
that's all that's about. I think killfiling is juvenile, and I'm treating them
in kind.
~ BG |
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