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| crunch... |
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On Oct 6, 8:39 pm, Dom <DR... at (no spam) teikyopost.edu> wrote:
[quote:b126204ae6]On Oct 6, 6:42 pm, crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 6, 6:14 pm, Dom <DR... at (no spam) teikyopost.edu> wrote:
On Oct 6, 2:45 pm, crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:> The Gospel of Peterhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/qumran_origin/message/5550
Extract -
The next item slipped in is that Jesus took poison at the last minute
on the cross.
[snip]
A more fanciful argument could be made that Jesus intended to commit
"suicide by police," to use the jargon of law enforcement officers in
the U.S.
Dom -
Would you be more explicit as to why you propose this?
One could argue that Jesus had a death wish: the casting out of the
money changers from the temple precincts--thereby disrupting the
normal conduct of business there--was highly likely to lead to his
execution.
[/quote:b126204ae6]
Death wish will not work because -
The Copper Scroll treasure
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qumran_origin/message/4369
"When Jesus 'overturned the tables of the
moneychangers' he was objecting to the
whole system of charging money for initiation
and for annual promotion. Salvation and
forgiveness of sins were not to be sold for
money. His action was part of the schism
between his Christian party and the original
ascetics who had begun the taxation system
under Herod the Great."
Further, Jesus, strictly speaking, had the authority
to overturn the tables because of his office
among the Qumran monastics.
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On Oct 8, 8:09 am, Archaeotype <k... at (no spam) of.invalid> wrote:
[quote:faf9eb1b50]duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> 08/10/2009 13:21 wrote:
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 08:08:27 -0700 (PDT), crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
"When Jesus 'overturned the tables of the
moneychangers' he was objecting to the
whole system of charging money for initiation
and for annual promotion.
No, he wasn't. If the money changers had been outside, they wouldn't have been
desecrating his Father's house of worship.
After all, the money changers were enabling the called-for sacrifice of animals.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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====================================================> Sci.Archaeology, established in May 1991, is an
unmoderated Usenet newsgroup dedicated to the
discussion of archaeology in its many aspects.
====================================================> *Charter Sci.Archaeology*
====================================================> 1. To exchange information on various concerns
in archaeology, including method and theory, pot
hunting, egyptology, typology, dating, and other
related topics.
2. To facilitate ongoing debates and comments on
ideas or research that may not necessarily be in
a publishable form.
3. To query other interested archaeologists about
resources which could be made generally available.
(e.g. programs, images, data, references, but not
exact site locations).
4. To keep each other informed on upcoming events
of interest to social science researchers and
computing in the field of archaeology.
====================================================> *End of charter*
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[/quote:faf9eb1b50]
Quiz question for Usenet Village Idiot Archaeotype -
At which archaeological site did the Historical
Jesus overturn the tables of the moneychangers?
Answer - Qumran.
Thus, your post is grossly inappropriate.
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| duke... |
| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:21 am |
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On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 08:08:27 -0700 (PDT), crunch <pchristainsen at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote:89af205445]"When Jesus 'overturned the tables of the
moneychangers' he was objecting to the
whole system of charging money for initiation
and for annual promotion.
[/quote:89af205445]
No, he wasn't. If the money changers had been outside, they wouldn't have been
desecrating his Father's house of worship.
After all, the money changers were enabling the called-for sacrifice of animals.
The Dukester, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:28 am |
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On Oct 8, 10:39 am, "roj" <No-... at (no spam) no-where.com> wrote:
[quote:16ad78f36d]"crunch" <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4fadb0e1-8c8e-44b2-a31a-3a871099a831 at (no spam) p9g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 8, 8:09 am, Archaeotype <k... at (no spam) of.invalid> wrote:
duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> 08/10/2009 13:21 wrote:
snip
Quiz question for Usenet Village Idiot Archaeotype -
At which archaeological site did the Historical
Jesus overturn the tables of the moneychangers?
Answer - Qumran.
Thus, your post is grossly inappropriate.
David Christainsen
Thirty five years ago, my daughter (then 5, now 40)
enquired the reason for the nail in the centre of Broad St
in Oxford, marking the spot of Bishop Cranmer's Immolation
some 400+ years earlier. A local lady, passing by, scathingly
remarked that I should have known it was the place of
martyrdom of Cranmer. My daughter turned to me and
- quite innocently - asked "Oh, was she there then?"
Likewise for Qumran - "Oh, were You there then?"
An innocent enquiry, merely seeking validation.
roj,
who regularly drinks draught Village Idiot Ale,
brewed by the Vale of the White Horse Brewery
at the Royal Blenheim, Oxford.
[/quote:16ad78f36d]
Please plug "moneychangers" into Search Facility
Pages 103,318
http://books.google.com/books?id=WBZNU3lZZPIC&printsec=frontcover&dq=thiering+magdalene&ei=ZyzOSvDyCYjMzQT2jqTBBg#v=onepage&q=moneychangers&f=false
So, Dr. Thiering claims Qumran as the place
where Jesus overturned tables of the moneychangers.
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Symbolism of places
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/qumran_origin/message/786
"Many observations confirm that the plural form means Qumran, the
singular the literal Jerusalem."
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 8:39 am |
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"crunch" <pchristainsen at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Oct 8, 8:09 am, Archaeotype <k... at (no spam) of.invalid> wrote:
[quote:1ee14ebe2d]duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> 08/10/2009 13:21 wrote:
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Quiz question for Usenet Village Idiot Archaeotype -
At which archaeological site did the Historical
Jesus overturn the tables of the moneychangers?
Answer - Qumran.
Thus, your post is grossly inappropriate.
David Christainsen
[/quote:1ee14ebe2d]
Thirty five years ago, my daughter (then 5, now 40)
enquired the reason for the nail in the centre of Broad St
in Oxford, marking the spot of Bishop Cranmer's Immolation
some 400+ years earlier. A local lady, passing by, scathingly
remarked that I should have known it was the place of
martyrdom of Cranmer. My daughter turned to me and
- quite innocently - asked "Oh, was she there then?"
Likewise for Qumran - "Oh, were You there then?"
An innocent enquiry, merely seeking validation.
roj,
who regularly drinks draught Village Idiot Ale,
brewed by the Vale of the White Horse Brewery
at the Royal Blenheim, Oxford. |
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On Oct 8, 9:10 am, crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote:f30b9ec61b]On Oct 8, 8:09 am, Archaeotype <k... at (no spam) of.invalid> wrote:
duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> 08/10/2009 13:21 wrote:
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 08:08:27 -0700 (PDT), crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
"When Jesus 'overturned the tables of the
moneychangers' he was objecting to the
whole system of charging money for initiation
and for annual promotion.
No, he wasn't. If the money changers had been outside, they wouldn't have been
desecrating his Father's house of worship.
After all, the money changers were enabling the called-for sacrifice of animals.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
====================================================> > Sci.Archaeology, established in May 1991, is an
unmoderated Usenet newsgroup dedicated to the
discussion of archaeology in its many aspects.
====================================================> > *Charter Sci..Archaeology*
====================================================> > 1. To exchange information on various concerns
in archaeology, including method and theory, pot
hunting, egyptology, typology, dating, and other
related topics.
2. To facilitate ongoing debates and comments on
ideas or research that may not necessarily be in
a publishable form.
3. To query other interested archaeologists about
resources which could be made generally available.
(e.g. programs, images, data, references, but not
exact site locations).
4. To keep each other informed on upcoming events
of interest to social science researchers and
computing in the field of archaeology.
====================================================> > *End of charter*
====================================================> >...
Quiz question for Usenet Village Idiot Archaeotype -
At which archaeological site did the Historical
Jesus overturn the tables of the moneychangers?
Answer - Qumran.
Thus, your post is grossly inappropriate.
[/quote:f30b9ec61b]
Where are the specific physical remains that support your specific
conclusion? Not just that there are some ruins that might be your
hypothesized substitute sanctuary, but the physical, archaeological
evidence that a historical Jesus, spending some time in Qumran, used
some of that time to physically interfere with temple money changers?
If you cannot understand the question, ask your daughter to explain it
to you.
Do not reply with some waffle that does not directly support the event
you assert happened. Nearly all recorded events have left zero
physical evidence that can be ascribed to them without question. Your
job is a big one.
Or, of course, you can just use your usual avoidance tactics. My money
is on that. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:14 am |
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On Oct 8, 2:44 pm, Tom McDonald <kilt... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:62a2c24a44]On Oct 8, 9:10 am, crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 8, 8:09 am, Archaeotype <k... at (no spam) of.invalid> wrote:
duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> 08/10/2009 13:21 wrote:
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 08:08:27 -0700 (PDT), crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
"When Jesus 'overturned the tables of the
moneychangers' he was objecting to the
whole system of charging money for initiation
and for annual promotion.
No, he wasn't. If the money changers had been outside, they wouldn't have been
desecrating his Father's house of worship.
After all, the money changers were enabling the called-for sacrifice of animals.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
====================================================> > > Sci.Archaeology, established in May 1991, is an
unmoderated Usenet newsgroup dedicated to the
discussion of archaeology in its many aspects.
====================================================> > > *Charter Sci.Archaeology*
====================================================> > > 1. To exchange information on various concerns
in archaeology, including method and theory, pot
hunting, egyptology, typology, dating, and other
related topics.
2. To facilitate ongoing debates and comments on
ideas or research that may not necessarily be in
a publishable form.
3. To query other interested archaeologists about
resources which could be made generally available..
(e.g. programs, images, data, references, but not
exact site locations).
4. To keep each other informed on upcoming events
of interest to social science researchers and
computing in the field of archaeology.
====================================================> > > *End of charter*
====================================================> > >...
Quiz question for Usenet Village Idiot Archaeotype -
At which archaeological site did the Historical
Jesus overturn the tables of the moneychangers?
Answer - Qumran.
Thus, your post is grossly inappropriate.
Where are the specific physical remains that support your specific
conclusion? Not just that there are some ruins that might be your
hypothesized substitute sanctuary, but the physical, archaeological
evidence that a historical Jesus, spending some time in Qumran, used
some of that time to physically interfere with temple money changers?
If you cannot understand the question, ask your daughter to explain it
to you.
Do not reply with some waffle that does not directly support the event
you assert happened. Nearly all recorded events have left zero
physical evidence that can be ascribed to them without question. Your
job is a big one.
Or, of course, you can just use your usual avoidance tactics. My money
is on that.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
[/quote:62a2c24a44]
http://www.pesherofchrist.infinitesoulutions.com/index_Photo.html
"Photo BBB. Outside the east door of the sanctuary. Quarter circle of
stones for the prince to meet pilgrims.
The papers are on the remaining support of the steps, which were
removed by the archeologists. The round well in the foreground."
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Figure 1. The Qumran buildings - Loc 111
http://www.pesherofchrist.infinitesoulutions.com/index_Figure.html
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Despite your misframing in your questions, I say only the
intricacies of Thiering Pesher establish that TEMPLE
and TREASURY are identical in the gospels and are
tied to Loc 111 - Qumran. Further, she has Jerusalem
in the NT text (plural form) identified as Qumran.
Still further, as you already know, there are only 2
pieces of archaeological evidence that show that
Jesus was a historical figure.
So, the physical archaeological evidence you ask
for is just not there.
Bottom line -
Only a deep academic scholarly understanding of
DSS/NT text can demonstrate the meat and potatoes
for INTERESTING aspects of Christian Origins. The
archaeology (physical evidence) cannot cut the mustard.
Perhaps, though, it can show show that the Essenes
were in love with ritual...
David Christainsen |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:30 am |
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Matt Giwer wrote:
[quote:0f78fa35c8]duke wrote:
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 08:08:27 -0700 (PDT), crunch
pchristainsen at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
"When Jesus 'overturned the tables of the
moneychangers' he was objecting to the
whole system of charging money for initiation
and for annual promotion.
No, he wasn't. If the money changers had been outside, they wouldn't
have been
desecrating his Father's house of worship.
After all, the money changers were enabling the called-for sacrifice
of animals.
You appear to be as whacked out as crunchy.
Don't like it?
Lets get this straight. A clown goes postal in a place where there
is lots of cash and therefore lots of guards to protect the money. And
then this nutcase starts wailing away on the employers of these guards
and he escapes unscathed instead of in a body sackcloth.
Are you really saying you are dumb enough to believe that story?
Furthermore in GJ he does this on the first of many visits to Jerusalem,[/quote:0f78fa35c8]
and is only treed several years later, while in the "synoptics" it is
his only visit and he pulls this stunt and several others before being
crucified at the very time of year when an execution was most likely to
cause a riot. Pilate was stupid, but not that stupid.
--
As through this world I've rambled, I've met plenty of funny men,
Some rob you with a sixgun, some with a fountain pen.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:44 am |
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crunch <pchristainsen at (no spam) yahoo.com> 08/10/2009 16:10 wrote:
[quote:4c8971ae78]On Oct 8, 8:09 am, Archaeotype <k... at (no spam) of.invalid> wrote:
duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> 08/10/2009 13:21 wrote:
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 08:08:27 -0700 (PDT), crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
"When Jesus 'overturned the tables of the
moneychangers' he was objecting to the
whole system of charging money for initiation
and for annual promotion.
No, he wasn't. If the money changers had been outside, they wouldn't have been
desecrating his Father's house of worship.
After all, the money changers were enabling the called-for sacrifice of animals.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
=====================================================
Sci.Archaeology, established in May 1991, is an
unmoderated Usenet newsgroup dedicated to the
discussion of archaeology in its many aspects.
=====================================================
*Charter Sci.Archaeology*
=====================================================
1. To exchange information on various concerns
in archaeology, including method and theory, pot
hunting, egyptology, typology, dating, and other
related topics.
2. To facilitate ongoing debates and comments on
ideas or research that may not necessarily be in
a publishable form.
3. To query other interested archaeologists about
resources which could be made generally available.
(e.g. programs, images, data, references, but not
exact site locations).
4. To keep each other informed on upcoming events
of interest to social science researchers and
computing in the field of archaeology.
=====================================================
*End of charter*
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Quiz question for Usenet Village Idiot Archaeotype -
At which archaeological site did the Historical
Jesus overturn the tables of the moneychangers?
Answer - Qumran.
Thus, your post is grossly inappropriate.
[/quote:4c8971ae78]
*Archaeology is the study of the human past through material remains* |
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On Oct 8, 2:14 pm, crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote:d71a22f070]On Oct 8, 2:44 pm, Tom McDonald <kilt... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 8, 9:10 am, crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 8, 8:09 am, Archaeotype <k... at (no spam) of.invalid> wrote:
duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> 08/10/2009 13:21 wrote:
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 08:08:27 -0700 (PDT), crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
"When Jesus 'overturned the tables of the
moneychangers' he was objecting to the
whole system of charging money for initiation
and for annual promotion.
No, he wasn't. If the money changers had been outside, they wouldn't have been
desecrating his Father's house of worship.
After all, the money changers were enabling the called-for sacrifice of animals.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
====================================================> > > > Sci.Archaeology, established in May 1991, is an
unmoderated Usenet newsgroup dedicated to the
discussion of archaeology in its many aspects.
====================================================> > > > *Charter Sci.Archaeology*
====================================================> > > > 1. To exchange information on various concerns
in archaeology, including method and theory, pot
hunting, egyptology, typology, dating, and other
related topics.
2. To facilitate ongoing debates and comments on
ideas or research that may not necessarily be in
a publishable form.
3. To query other interested archaeologists about
resources which could be made generally available.
(e.g. programs, images, data, references, but not
exact site locations).
4. To keep each other informed on upcoming events
of interest to social science researchers and
computing in the field of archaeology.
====================================================> > > > *End of charter*
====================================================> > > >...
Quiz question for Usenet Village Idiot Archaeotype -
At which archaeological site did the Historical
Jesus overturn the tables of the moneychangers?
Answer - Qumran.Thus, your post is grossly inappropriate.
Thus, your post is grossly inappropriate.
Where are the specific physical remains that support your specific
conclusion? Not just that there are some ruins that might be your
hypothesized substitute sanctuary, but the physical, archaeological
evidence that a historical Jesus, spending some time in Qumran, used
some of that time to physically interfere with temple money changers?
If you cannot understand the question, ask your daughter to explain it
to you.
Do not reply with some waffle that does not directly support the event
you assert happened. Nearly all recorded events have left zero
physical evidence that can be ascribed to them without question. Your
job is a big one.
Or, of course, you can just use your usual avoidance tactics. My money
is on that.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
http://www.pesherofchrist.infinitesoulutions.com/index_Photo.html
"Photo BBB. Outside the east door of the sanctuary. Quarter circle of
stones for the prince to meet pilgrims.
The papers are on the remaining support of the steps, which were
removed by the archeologists. The round well in the foreground."
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Figure 1. The Qumran buildings - Loc 111http://www.pesherofchrist.infinitesoulutions.com/index_Figure.html
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Despite your misframing in your questions, I say only the
intricacies of Thiering Pesher establish that TEMPLE
and TREASURY are identical in the gospels and are
tied to Loc 111 - Qumran. Further, she has Jerusalem
in the NT text (plural form) identified as Qumran.
Still further, as you already know, there are only 2
pieces of archaeological evidence that show that
Jesus was a historical figure.
So, the physical archaeological evidence you ask
for is just not there.
Bottom line -
Only a deep academic scholarly understanding of
DSS/NT text can demonstrate the meat and potatoes
for INTERESTING aspects of Christian Origins. The
archaeology (physical evidence) cannot cut the mustard.
Perhaps, though, it can show show that the Essenes
were in love with ritual...
[/quote:d71a22f070]
So, this thread has no archaeological relevance, and you were entirely
wrong when you asserted about Archaeotype's post, "Thus, your post is
grossly inappropriate." Good to know.
The rest of your post was predictable waffle, and therefore off-topic.
Like this whole thread is on s.a. I'm sure you agree now. |
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| crunch... |
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On Oct 8, 3:47 pm, Tom McDonald <kilt... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:7ea8caa31e]On Oct 8, 2:14 pm, crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 8, 2:44 pm, Tom McDonald <kilt... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 8, 9:10 am, crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 8, 8:09 am, Archaeotype <k... at (no spam) of.invalid> wrote:
duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> 08/10/2009 13:21 wrote:
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 08:08:27 -0700 (PDT), crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
"When Jesus 'overturned the tables of the
moneychangers' he was objecting to the
whole system of charging money for initiation
and for annual promotion.
No, he wasn't. If the money changers had been outside, they wouldn't have been
desecrating his Father's house of worship.
After all, the money changers were enabling the called-for sacrifice of animals.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
====================================================> > > > > Sci.Archaeology, established in May 1991, is an
unmoderated Usenet newsgroup dedicated to the
discussion of archaeology in its many aspects.
====================================================> > > > > *Charter Sci.Archaeology*
====================================================> > > > > 1. To exchange information on various concerns
in archaeology, including method and theory, pot
hunting, egyptology, typology, dating, and other
related topics.
2. To facilitate ongoing debates and comments on
ideas or research that may not necessarily be in
a publishable form.
3. To query other interested archaeologists about
resources which could be made generally available.
(e.g. programs, images, data, references, but not
exact site locations).
4. To keep each other informed on upcoming events
of interest to social science researchers and
computing in the field of archaeology.
====================================================> > > > > *End of charter*
====================================================> > > > >...
Quiz question for Usenet Village Idiot Archaeotype -
At which archaeological site did the Historical
Jesus overturn the tables of the moneychangers?
Answer - Qumran.Thus, your post is grossly inappropriate.
Thus, your post is grossly inappropriate.
Where are the specific physical remains that support your specific
conclusion? Not just that there are some ruins that might be your
hypothesized substitute sanctuary, but the physical, archaeological
evidence that a historical Jesus, spending some time in Qumran, used
some of that time to physically interfere with temple money changers?
If you cannot understand the question, ask your daughter to explain it
to you.
Do not reply with some waffle that does not directly support the event
you assert happened. Nearly all recorded events have left zero
physical evidence that can be ascribed to them without question. Your
job is a big one.
Or, of course, you can just use your usual avoidance tactics. My money
is on that.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
http://www.pesherofchrist.infinitesoulutions.com/index_Photo.html
"Photo BBB. Outside the east door of the sanctuary. Quarter circle of
stones for the prince to meet pilgrims.
The papers are on the remaining support of the steps, which were
removed by the archeologists. The round well in the foreground."
-----
Figure 1. The Qumran buildings - Loc 111http://www.pesherofchrist.infinitesoulutions.com/index_Figure.html
-----
Despite your misframing in your questions, I say only the
intricacies of Thiering Pesher establish that TEMPLE
and TREASURY are identical in the gospels and are
tied to Loc 111 - Qumran. Further, she has Jerusalem
in the NT text (plural form) identified as Qumran.
Still further, as you already know, there are only 2
pieces of archaeological evidence that show that
Jesus was a historical figure.
So, the physical archaeological evidence you ask
for is just not there.
Bottom line -
Only a deep academic scholarly understanding of
DSS/NT text can demonstrate the meat and potatoes
for INTERESTING aspects of Christian Origins. The
archaeology (physical evidence) cannot cut the mustard.
Perhaps, though, it can show show that the Essenes
were in love with ritual...
So, this thread has no archaeological relevance, and you were entirely
wrong when you asserted about Archaeotype's post, "Thus, your post is
grossly inappropriate." Good to know.
The rest of your post was predictable waffle, and therefore off-topic.
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Excuse me - you are overlooking the outstanding
photo of the Qumran courtyard (loc 111) and De Vaux's
Qumran diagram that I gave because you have always been
entirely too polemical (although talented) on usenet. Pity!
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On Oct 8, 3:32 pm, crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote:9cce8641a4]On Oct 8, 3:47 pm, Tom McDonald <kilt... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 8, 2:14 pm, crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 8, 2:44 pm, Tom McDonald <kilt... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 8, 9:10 am, crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 8, 8:09 am, Archaeotype <k... at (no spam) of.invalid> wrote:
duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> 08/10/2009 13:21 wrote:
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 08:08:27 -0700 (PDT), crunch <pchristain.... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
"When Jesus 'overturned the tables of the
moneychangers' he was objecting to the
whole system of charging money for initiation
and for annual promotion.
No, he wasn't. If the money changers had been outside, they wouldn't have been
desecrating his Father's house of worship.
After all, the money changers were enabling the called-for sacrifice of animals.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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====================================================> > > > > > Sci.Archaeology, established in May 1991, is an
unmoderated Usenet newsgroup dedicated to the
discussion of archaeology in its many aspects.
====================================================> > > > > > *Charter Sci.Archaeology*
====================================================> > > > > > 1. To exchange information on various concerns
in archaeology, including method and theory, pot
hunting, egyptology, typology, dating, and other
related topics.
2. To facilitate ongoing debates and comments on
ideas or research that may not necessarily be in
a publishable form.
3. To query other interested archaeologists about
resources which could be made generally available.
(e.g. programs, images, data, references, but not
exact site locations).
4. To keep each other informed on upcoming events
of interest to social science researchers and
computing in the field of archaeology.
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Quiz question for Usenet Village Idiot Archaeotype -
At which archaeological site did the Historical
Jesus overturn the tables of the moneychangers?
Answer - Qumran.Thus, your post is grossly inappropriate.
Thus, your post is grossly inappropriate.
Where are the specific physical remains that support your specific
conclusion? Not just that there are some ruins that might be your
hypothesized substitute sanctuary, but the physical, archaeological
evidence that a historical Jesus, spending some time in Qumran, used
some of that time to physically interfere with temple money changers?
If you cannot understand the question, ask your daughter to explain it
to you.
Do not reply with some waffle that does not directly support the event
you assert happened. Nearly all recorded events have left zero
physical evidence that can be ascribed to them without question. Your
job is a big one.
Or, of course, you can just use your usual avoidance tactics. My money
is on that.- Hide quoted text -
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http://www.pesherofchrist.infinitesoulutions.com/index_Photo.html
"Photo BBB. Outside the east door of the sanctuary. Quarter circle of
stones for the prince to meet pilgrims.
The papers are on the remaining support of the steps, which were
removed by the archeologists. The round well in the foreground."
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Figure 1. The Qumran buildings - Loc 111http://www.pesherofchrist.infinitesoulutions.com/index_Figure.html
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Despite your misframing in your questions, I say only the
intricacies of Thiering Pesher establish that TEMPLE
and TREASURY are identical in the gospels and are
tied to Loc 111 - Qumran. Further, she has Jerusalem
in the NT text (plural form) identified as Qumran.
Still further, as you already know, there are only 2
pieces of archaeological evidence that show that
Jesus was a historical figure.
So, the physical archaeological evidence you ask
for is just not there.
Bottom line -
Only a deep academic scholarly understanding of
DSS/NT text can demonstrate the meat and potatoes
for INTERESTING aspects of Christian Origins. The
archaeology (physical evidence) cannot cut the mustard.
Perhaps, though, it can show show that the Essenes
were in love with ritual...
So, this thread has no archaeological relevance, and you were entirely
wrong when you asserted about Archaeotype's post, "Thus, your post is
grossly inappropriate." Good to know.
The rest of your post was predictable waffle, and therefore off-topic.
Like this whole thread is on s.a. I'm sure you agree now.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Excuse me - you are overlooking the outstanding
photo of the Qumran courtyard (loc 111) and De Vaux's
Qumran diagram that I gave because you have always been
entirely too polemical (although talented) on usenet. Pity!
[/quote:9cce8641a4]
How does that image prove that Jesus messed with money changers
there?
You admitted that your archaeological evidence did not support your
archaeological claim; and in fact could not do so.
You lose again. But you are totally unable to admit being in the
wrong, or admitting any sort of failure in yourself. So I expect more
waffle from you.
Speaking of which -- haven't had waffles in a while. Sounds tasty! |
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On Oct 8, 7:10 am, crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote:972406bdf6]At which archaeological site did the Historical
Jesus overturn the tables of the moneychangers?
Answer - Qumran.
[/quote:972406bdf6]
Oh? The Temple moved to Qumran?
<chortle>
[quote:972406bdf6]Thus, your post is grossly inappropriate.
[/quote:972406bdf6]
Thus, your post is grossly inaccurate and only further proves one
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| I'mAWhosoeverToo... |
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On Oct 8, 12:14 pm, crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
[quote:8a861e2f45]Despite your misframing in your questions, I say only the
intricacies of Thiering Pesher establish that TEMPLE
and TREASURY are identical in the gospels and are
tied to Loc 111 - Qumran.
[/quote:8a861e2f45]
No doubt she does. Another one of the reasons why no one in
archaeology or theology takes her seriously.
[quote:8a861e2f45]Further, she has Jerusalem
in the NT text (plural form) identified as Qumran.
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Of course she does - she has to in order to make her wild theories
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On Oct 8, 5:07 pm, Tom McDonald <kilt... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
[quote:7577cdc9d4]On Oct 8, 3:32 pm, crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 8, 3:47 pm, Tom McDonald <kilt... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 8, 2:14 pm, crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 8, 2:44 pm, Tom McDonald <kilt... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 8, 9:10 am, crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Oct 8, 8:09 am, Archaeotype <k... at (no spam) of.invalid> wrote:
duke <duckgumb... at (no spam) cox.net> 08/10/2009 13:21 wrote:
On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 08:08:27 -0700 (PDT), crunch <pchristain... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
"When Jesus 'overturned the tables of the
moneychangers' he was objecting to the
whole system of charging money for initiation
and for annual promotion.
No, he wasn't. If the money changers had been outside, they wouldn't have been
desecrating his Father's house of worship.
After all, the money changers were enabling the called-for sacrifice of animals.
The Dukester, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
=====================================================
Sci.Archaeology, established in May 1991, is an
unmoderated Usenet newsgroup dedicated to the
discussion of archaeology in its many aspects.
=====================================================
*Charter Sci.Archaeology*
=====================================================
1. To exchange information on various concerns
in archaeology, including method and theory, pot
hunting, egyptology, typology, dating, and other
related topics.
2. To facilitate ongoing debates and comments on
ideas or research that may not necessarily be in
a publishable form.
3. To query other interested archaeologists about
resources which could be made generally available.
(e.g. programs, images, data, references, but not
exact site locations).
4. To keep each other informed on upcoming events
of interest to social science researchers and
computing in the field of archaeology.
=====================================================
*End of charter*
=====================================================
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Quiz question for Usenet Village Idiot Archaeotype -
At which archaeological site did the Historical
Jesus overturn the tables of the moneychangers?
Answer - Qumran.Thus, your post is grossly inappropriate.
Thus, your post is grossly inappropriate.
Where are the specific physical remains that support your specific
conclusion? Not just that there are some ruins that might be your
hypothesized substitute sanctuary, but the physical, archaeological
evidence that a historical Jesus, spending some time in Qumran, used
some of that time to physically interfere with temple money changers?
If you cannot understand the question, ask your daughter to explain it
to you.
Do not reply with some waffle that does not directly support the event
you assert happened. Nearly all recorded events have left zero
physical evidence that can be ascribed to them without question. Your
job is a big one.
Or, of course, you can just use your usual avoidance tactics. My money
is on that.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
http://www.pesherofchrist.infinitesoulutions.com/index_Photo.html
"Photo BBB. Outside the east door of the sanctuary. Quarter circle of
stones for the prince to meet pilgrims.
The papers are on the remaining support of the steps, which were
removed by the archeologists. The round well in the foreground."
-----
Figure 1. The Qumran buildings - Loc 111http://www.pesherofchrist.infinitesoulutions.com/index_Figure.html
-----
Despite your misframing in your questions, I say only the
intricacies of Thiering Pesher establish that TEMPLE
and TREASURY are identical in the gospels and are
tied to Loc 111 - Qumran. Further, she has Jerusalem
in the NT text (plural form) identified as Qumran.
Still further, as you already know, there are only 2
pieces of archaeological evidence that show that
Jesus was a historical figure.
So, the physical archaeological evidence you ask
for is just not there.
Bottom line -
Only a deep academic scholarly understanding of
DSS/NT text can demonstrate the meat and potatoes
for INTERESTING aspects of Christian Origins. The
archaeology (physical evidence) cannot cut the mustard.
Perhaps, though, it can show show that the Essenes
were in love with ritual...
So, this thread has no archaeological relevance, and you were entirely
wrong when you asserted about Archaeotype's post, "Thus, your post is
grossly inappropriate." Good to know.
The rest of your post was predictable waffle, and therefore off-topic.
Like this whole thread is on s.a. I'm sure you agree now.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Excuse me - you are overlooking the outstanding
photo of the Qumran courtyard (loc 111) and De Vaux's
Qumran diagram that I gave because you have always been
entirely too polemical (although talented) on usenet. Pity!
How does that image prove that Jesus messed with money changers
there?
[/quote:7577cdc9d4]
The image is on-topic for sci.arch <grin>
[quote:7577cdc9d4]You admitted that your archaeological evidence did not support your
archaeological claim; and in fact could not do so.
[/quote:7577cdc9d4]
Correct. Yet, I made no archaeological claim!
[quote:7577cdc9d4]You lose again. But you are totally unable to admit being in the
wrong, or admitting any sort of failure in yourself. So I expect more
waffle from you.
[/quote:7577cdc9d4]
On the contrary no waffle.
[quote:7577cdc9d4]Speaking of which -- haven't had waffles in a while. Sounds tasty!- Hide quoted text -
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BTW try -
By David Stacey
Field Archaeologist (1975-1987), Jericho Excavations
http://www.bibleinterp.com/articles/Stacey_Qumran_Light_of_Recent_Publications.shtml
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